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Re: Chum Kiu Love it or Hate it

Siu lim tao, chum kiu, and biu jee may look
"abstract" because it is. These forms are unlike the kata of
karate or taekwondo where the practioner imagines
himself fighting with multiple opponents. These three
forms are like a dictionary. In the dictionary, you
look for the meaning of words; in these 3 forms you
look for the meaning of the techniques.




Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:18 am

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Golly, maybe I just take too many things for granted, but where might those places be that are a bit abstract?<br><br>Rick...
crmiske99
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Jan 18, 2001
12:46 am

Siu lim tao, chum kiu, and biu jee may look "abstract" because it is. These forms are unlike the kata of karate or taekwondo where the practioner imagines ...
reysem
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Jan 18, 2001
8:18 am

Great!<br><br>I actually do understand the form as I have been teaching them for more years than I care to remember. What I want is to start some balls rolling...
sifugen1
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Jan 18, 2001
6:18 pm

Welcome all new members, please feel free to air your views in this club. Maybe we can all learn something from the threads that may arise from ...
sifugen1
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Jan 18, 2001
6:21 pm

I suppose that if you assume that to be 'non-abstract' is to have every move directly related to a physical action? Or to 'see' an attack/response relationship...
crmiske99
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Jan 18, 2001
7:36 pm

"a punch really is nothing more than a punch."<br><br>I used to say that to, but when I think about it a Wing Chun Punch is, in my mind, so much more powerful ...
sifugen1
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Jan 18, 2001
11:46 pm

If you have not done so by now check out the photo section. There are some dummy plans for those who feel like building something....
sifugen1
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Jan 18, 2001
11:51 pm

A punch really is just a punch - it's an interpretation of a Zen Koan - a witty statement that, in essence, proves itself, so is like a logical ...
crmiske99
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Jan 19, 2001
2:18 am

Ok, I see your point, but then again things have a way of going round in circles.<br><br>First, as you say it is difficult. Then you build on it, and then you...
sifugen1
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Jan 20, 2001
1:18 am

Thank you for the invite. I thought this might be an interesting topic.<br><br>Are the forms, or any one form, or any part of any of the forms - ChiGung/QiGong...
crmiske99
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Jan 20, 2001
5:16 am

Rick,<br><br>Most of my internal energy stems from training Sil Nim Tao very slowly but with dynamic tension in part 1 of the form. Arguably Chum Kiu and Bil ...
sifugen1
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Jan 21, 2001
1:58 pm

We train Sil Nim Toa while in the front kick position. This is not trained initially but more so when the student has got to grips with the form.<br><br>Does...
sifugen1
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Jan 21, 2001
2:00 pm

Rick,<br>I think that the Siu Nim Tao form is a king of chi kung. The first section is played slowly and serves to build chi, while the second and third ...
docnature
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Jan 21, 2001
3:48 pm

Steve,<br>In Moy Yat's family we also train siu nim tao in this fashion. We probably start our students on it earlier, however. We ususally give it to the...
docnature
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Jan 21, 2001
3:52 pm

Alan,<br><br>The Forearms also benefit from Heung Sao under tension. This benefits by making the sinews stronger and building longer muscle rather than bulky ...
sifugen1
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Jan 21, 2001
4:25 pm

Alan,<br><br>Yes this is very good. We usually introduce single leg Sil Nim Toa in the gradings before the student is ready to start training Chum Kiu,...
sifugen1
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Jan 21, 2001
4:29 pm

That's interesting - there is a wide variety of ways of doing that early section of first-form.<br><br>I've seen schools teach it very soft, slow and light, ...
crmiske99
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Jan 22, 2001
7:06 pm

Rick,<br><br>We do both hard and soft.<br><br>Part 1 uses hard/tension in forwarding the Tan and Fook Sao into the center line and retracting the Wu/Jum. When...
sifugen1
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Jan 22, 2001
10:03 pm

Yes, that's pretty much the way I learned it.<br><br>I'm originally in the Chris Chan (Chan Shing) lineage. We were taught that the first part was slow and ...
crmiske99
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Jan 23, 2001
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IMHO I think that wing chun is the best martial art. At the moment I am studying WU SHU which is a form of kick boxing it is very good but I would like to...
DDF_652
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Jan 23, 2001
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I think that he is making too much money out of the art he should put something back as he has took alot out.<br><br>from d...
DDF_652
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Jan 23, 2001
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I cant help but agree with you on that one.<br><br>I have studied the martial arts since the mid 70's and done various styles but stuck wit Wing Chun because...
sifugen1
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Jan 23, 2001
6:18 pm

This is a tricky one. My policy is to stay out of the politics that surround the martial arts.<br><br>Those who teach it as a sole source of income believe ...
sifugen1
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Jan 23, 2001
6:24 pm

One of the reasons I have enjoyed this site since joining, is the commitment to keeping politics out of the mix. I am very happy with my style of Wing Chun,...
jfrahm1987
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Jan 23, 2001
6:52 pm

I must agree with joe. I think we can all learn a lot from each other if we can see past lineages and just focus on the Ving Tsun. <br><br>Alan...
docnature
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Jan 23, 2001
7:37 pm

I believe that Dan Inosanto continued to train under Moy Yat of NY, USA a while after Bruce Lee died - to understand the intention of the art.<br><br>For the...
crmiske99
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Jan 23, 2001
9:23 pm

Bravo!...
sifugen1
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Jan 23, 2001
9:40 pm

Ok, I'm clear on that now.<br><br>I knew of the JKD but was unsure about the Wing Chun.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Steve....
sifugen1
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Jan 23, 2001
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I would welcome any recommendations for purchasing a Wooden Dummy. Naturally, I'm looking for the most reasonable(cheap) whithout substituing quality. I've...
act7455
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Jan 26, 2001
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If you're anywhere in the new york area you might try Bot Li Tai. Its a store in chinatown that supplys all things ving tsun. I would try there. You ma be able...
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