In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?



Dave











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FAIL.





----- Original Message -----

From: "Dave Wiley" <malibuskier2003@...>

To: <llumpires@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:51 PM

Subject: [llumpires] Holding runners at 2B





In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.

He said it was "deceiving the runner". He did not give any explanation of

what would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the

penalty would have been. I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and

this is the only umpire in our district that has made this statement. Is he

correct or is he misinterpreting something?



Dave











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Hoo boy.  Some serious re-education is in order.





On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Dave Wiley wrote:



>

>

> In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS

> not to pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at

> second base.  He said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not

> give any explanation of what would happen if the action did not

> stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would have been.  I can't

> find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only umpire in

> our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

> misinterpreting something?

>

> Dave

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>







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Oddly, this is something I used to worry about when I first started, 20 years

ago.  Umpiring is so much easier when you don't worry about things you don't

need to worry about, like shortstops slapping their glove, or players sticking

their fingers in the screen of the dugout, or whether sunflower seeds and bubble

gum are allowed.



First off, he probably means "distracting the runner", not "deceiving" him. 

Second, there's no rule against it.  Third, the shortstop is really just helping

the runner locate him.  It's hard to sneak behind R2 when you're slapping your

glove like an idiot.







--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:



From: Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...>

Subject: [llumpires] Holding runners at 2B

To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:51 AM



In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?



Dave







     



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--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, John Chivers <jchivers@...> wrote:

>

> Oddly, this is something I used to worry about when I first started, 20 years

ago.  Umpiring is so much easier when you don't worry about things you don't

need to worry about, like shortstops slapping their glove, or players sticking

their fingers in the screen of the dugout, or whether sunflower seeds and bubble

gum are allowed.

>

> First off, he probably means "distracting the runner", not "deceiving" him. 

Second, there's no rule against it.  Third, the shortstop is really just helping

the runner locate him.  It's hard to sneak behind R2 when you're slapping your

glove like an idiot.

>

>





Pros do it.



It's not done on a pickoff attempt.  It's done other times to get the runner to

move back or lean toward 2B, slowing his ability to advance.

I always taught my infielders not to do that for the simple reason that they are

telling the runner where they are. I always taught my runners to ignore the

slapping and pay attention to the pitcher. F1 has the ball not the stupid

slappers.





--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, John Chivers <jchivers@...> wrote:

>

> Oddly, this is something I used to worry about when I first started, 20 years

ago.  Umpiring is so much easier when you don't worry about things you don't

need to worry about, like shortstops slapping their glove, or players sticking

their fingers in the screen of the dugout, or whether sunflower seeds and bubble

gum are allowed.

>

> First off, he probably means "distracting the runner", not "deceiving" him. 

Second, there's no rule against it.  Third, the shortstop is really just helping

the runner locate him.  It's hard to sneak behind R2 when you're slapping your

glove like an idiot.

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:

>

> From: Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...>

> Subject: [llumpires] Holding runners at 2B

> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:51 AM

>

> In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?

>

> Dave

>

>

>

>      

>

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>

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--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Taylor" <mstaylor38@...> wrote:

>

> I always taught my infielders not to do that for the simple reason that they

are telling the runner where they are. I always taught my runners to ignore the

slapping and pay attention to the pitcher. F1 has the ball not the stupid

slappers.

>

>



What's wrong with telling the runner where they are?  It can force the runner to

hesitate or move back toward the bag.  Just what you want him to do.



If you're actually going to do a pick-off, THEN you don't slap because you don't

want him to know you're sneaking behind him..

So what you are saying is that if they are slapping then no pick-off, you just

trying to move them back. If you aren't slapping you are trying to pick and the

runner has to take his cue from the pitcher.

If the runner knows you don't pick when slapping then what is gained, nothing.

Watch the pitcher, ignore the idiots behind you and let your coaches do their

job.





--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "Rich Ives" <richives@...> wrote:

>

> --- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Taylor" <mstaylor38@> wrote:

> >

> > I always taught my infielders not to do that for the simple reason that they

are telling the runner where they are. I always taught my runners to ignore the

slapping and pay attention to the pitcher. F1 has the ball not the stupid

slappers.

> >

> >

>

> What's wrong with telling the runner where they are?  It can force the runner

to hesitate or move back toward the bag.  Just what you want him to do.

>

> If you're actually going to do a pick-off, THEN you don't slap because you

don't want him to know you're sneaking behind him..

>

--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Taylor" <mstaylor38@...> wrote:

>

> So what you are saying is that if they are slapping then no pick-off, you just

trying to move them back.



MAYBE! THEN AGAIN MAYBE WE'LL SLAP AND PICK.





>If you aren't slapping you are trying to pick.



NOT NECESSARILY! MAYBE NOTHING IS GOING ON.





>If the runner knows you don't pick when slapping then what is  >gained,

nothing.









Do you really think coaches are so dumb they'd telegraph the play?

I've always thought it was just a bunch of silliness.



Jerry



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "Rich Ives" <richives@...> wrote:

>

> --- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Taylor" <mstaylor38@> wrote:

> >

> > So what you are saying is that if they are slapping then no pick-off, you

just trying to move them back.

>

> MAYBE! THEN AGAIN MAYBE WE'LL SLAP AND PICK.

>

>

> >If you aren't slapping you are trying to pick.

>

> NOT NECESSARILY! MAYBE NOTHING IS GOING ON.

>

>

> >If the runner knows you don't pick when slapping then what is  >gained,

nothing.

>

>

>

>

> Do you really think coaches are so dumb they'd telegraph the play?

>

After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to

direct a following runner to stay up or slide.  The throw to F2 was

off-line and hit the runner who had scored. He was attempting to avoid

the throw but couldn't get out of the way.  I had the plate and did not

consider it interference, but later my partner insisted that, unlike a

base coach, he had no right to be there and it would be interference if

he affected the play.  Well, if so, it would have to be dead

immediately, before seeing if the play was affected, but I cannot find

any support in the rules.  What do you think?  Thanks.



Mike

He is an "authorized person" and must interfere intentionally for

interference to be called. What you described was not intentional

interference. Instead, he was trying to avoid interfering.



Travis



On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, MichaelWmWalsh@... wrote:



>

>

> After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to

> direct a following runner to stay up or slide. The throw to F2 was

> off-line and hit the runner who had scored. He was attempting to avoid

> the throw but couldn't get out of the way. I had the plate and did not

> consider it interference, but later my partner insisted that, unlike a

> base coach, he had no right to be there and it would be interference

> if

> he affected the play. Well, if so, it would have to be dead

> immediately, before seeing if the play was affected, but I cannot find

> any support in the rules. What do you think? Thanks.

>

> Mike

>

>





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What about rule 7.09(e)



(e) Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just

scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such

runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate;



Umpire's judgement - did he hinder or impede?



Jerry





-- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Travis Brown <wmllump@...> wrote:

>

> He is an "authorized person" and must interfere intentionally for

> interference to be called. What you described was not intentional

> interference. Instead, he was trying to avoid interfering.

>

> Travis

>

> On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, MichaelWmWalsh@... wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to

> > direct a following runner to stay up or slide. The throw to F2 was

> > off-line and hit the runner who had scored. He was attempting to avoid

> > the throw but couldn't get out of the way. I had the plate and did not

> > consider it interference, but later my partner insisted that, unlike a

> > base coach, he had no right to be there and it would be interference

> > if

> > he affected the play. Well, if so, it would have to be dead

> > immediately, before seeing if the play was affected, but I cannot find

> > any support in the rules. What do you think? Thanks.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Just keep in mind such interference must be intentional or blatant and

avoidable.  Otherwise every runner who has scored or put out would be

plunked along with the "Hey he interfered with my throw!!!"







   _____



From: llumpires@yahoogroups.com [mailto:llumpires@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of Jerry McKissack

Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:39 PM

To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [llumpires] Re: Interference?

















What about rule 7.09(e)



(e) Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has

just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner.

Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate;



Umpire's judgement - did he hinder or impede?



Jerry



-- In llumpires@yahoogrou <mailto:llumpires%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,

Travis Brown <wmllump@...> wrote:

>

> He is an "authorized person" and must interfere intentionally for

> interference to be called. What you described was not intentional

> interference. Instead, he was trying to avoid interfering.

>

> Travis

>

> On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, MichaelWmWalsh@... wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to

> > direct a following runner to stay up or slide. The throw to F2 was

> > off-line and hit the runner who had scored. He was attempting to avoid

> > the throw but couldn't get out of the way. I had the plate and did not

> > consider it interference, but later my partner insisted that, unlike a

> > base coach, he had no right to be there and it would be interference

> > if

> > he affected the play. Well, if so, it would have to be dead

> > immediately, before seeing if the play was affected, but I cannot find

> > any support in the rules. What do you think? Thanks.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From J/R:

"This section invovles interference by offensive team personnel other

than the batter during a pitch, the batter-runner, runners, or base

coaches -- in other words, offensive personnel who should not be

participating in (and in fact should be avioding) live ball action on

the playing field. Examples of 'offensive teammates' include:

(c) a player who had been a runner but has touched home and is

signaling to a following runner.

It is interference if an 'offensive teammate'

(1) blatantly and avoidably hinders a fielder's try to field a fair or

catchable batted ball or thrown ball.

        Offensive teammates must try to avoid a fielder trying to

field. If an offensive teammate tries to avoid, but contacts a

fielder, it is not interference. In most cases an offensive teammate

who does not try to avoid contact with a fielder will have interfered.



(2) intentionally hinders or impedes a fielder's try to field a fair

or catchable batted ball or thrown ball."



In your case, the "offensive teammate" tried to avoid interfering.

Therefore, no interference.



Travis













On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Jerry McKissack wrote:



>

>

> What about rule 7.09(e)

>

> (e) Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner

> who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being

> made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the

> interference of his teammate;

>

> Umpire's judgement - did he hinder or impede?

>

> Jerry

>

> -- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Travis Brown <wmllump@...> wrote:

> >

> > He is an "authorized person" and must interfere intentionally for

> > interference to be called. What you described was not intentional

> > interference. Instead, he was trying to avoid interfering.

> >

> > Travis

> >

> > On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:10 PM, MichaelWmWalsh@... wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to

> > > direct a following runner to stay up or slide. The throw to F2 was

> > > off-line and hit the runner who had scored. He was attempting to

> avoid

> > > the throw but couldn't get out of the way. I had the plate and

> did not

> > > consider it interference, but later my partner insisted that,

> unlike a

> > > base coach, he had no right to be there and it would be

> interference

> > > if

> > > he affected the play. Well, if so, it would have to be dead

> > > immediately, before seeing if the play was affected, but I

> cannot find

> > > any support in the rules. What do you think? Thanks.

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>







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You said the throw was offline.



I don't see why the defense should be bailed out on a bad throw.



One reason the interference has to be intentional.



Rita



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, MichaelWmWalsh@... wrote:

>

> After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to

> direct a following runner to stay up or slide.  The throw to F2 was

> off-line and hit the runner who had scored. He was attempting to avoid

> the throw but couldn't get out of the way.  I had the plate and did not

> consider it interference, but later my partner insisted that, unlike a

> base coach, he had no right to be there and it would be interference if

> he affected the play.  Well, if so, it would have to be dead

> immediately, before seeing if the play was affected, but I cannot find

> any support in the rules.  What do you think?  Thanks.

>

> Mike

>

I'm in your camp on this one.? The real question comes down to whether the

runner who scored is entitled to remain on the field to direct following

runners.? If someone has the right to be on the field, interference has to be

intentional.? If he shouldn't be there (e.g., a defensive coach outside of the

dugout) intent doesn't play into it.? I say?directing the following runner is a

time honored tradition and baseball is a game that respects tradition.



Mike



-----Original Message-----

From: ladyblue2140 <ladyblue214@...>

To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:48 am

Subject: [llumpires] Re: Interference?

















You said the throw was offline.



I don't see why the defense should be bailed out on a bad throw.



One reason the interference has to be intentional.



Rita



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, MichaelWmWalsh@... wrote:

>

> After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to

> direct a following runner to stay up or slide. The throw to F2 was

> off-line and hit the runner who had scored. He was attempting to avoid

> the throw but couldn't get out of the way. I had the plate and did not

> consider it interference, but later my partner insisted that, unlike a

> base coach, he had no right to be there and it would be interference if

> he affected the play. Well, if so, it would have to be dead

> immediately, before seeing if the play was affected, but I cannot find

> any support in the rules. What do you think? Thanks.

>

> Mike

>

















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R1, no outs.  Ground ball to F6, who flips to F4 to start the front end of a DP.

F4's throw goes wild, and the BR continues to second.  F2 tracks down the loose

ball, and throws it to second to make a play on the BR.



R1 stays near second to direct the BR to slide.  F2's throw is a little

off-line, and as F4 tries to move towards the ball, he collides into the retired

R1, allowing the ball to continue into right field.



Do you have a problem with that?  If so, why wouldn't you have a problem with

your play?



;o)



Manny Aponte

VA D9 UIC



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, MichaelWmWalsh@... wrote:

>

> I'm in your camp on this one.? The real question comes down to whether the

runner who scored is entitled to remain on the field to direct following

runners.? If someone has the right to be on the field, interference has to be

intentional.? If he shouldn't be there (e.g., a defensive coach outside of the

dugout) intent doesn't play into it.? I say?directing the following runner is a

time honored tradition and baseball is a game that respects tradition.

>

> Mike

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: ladyblue2140 <ladyblue214@...>

> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:48 am

> Subject: [llumpires] Re: Interference?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> You said the throw was offline.

>

> I don't see why the defense should be bailed out on a bad throw.

>

> One reason the interference has to be intentional.

>

> Rita

>

> --- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, MichaelWmWalsh@ wrote:

> >

> > After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to

> > direct a following runner to stay up or slide. The throw to F2 was

> > off-line and hit the runner who had scored. He was attempting to avoid

> > the throw but couldn't get out of the way. I had the plate and did not

> > consider it interference, but later my partner insisted that, unlike a

> > base coach, he had no right to be there and it would be interference if

> > he affected the play. Well, if so, it would have to be dead

> > immediately, before seeing if the play was affected, but I cannot find

> > any support in the rules. What do you think? Thanks.

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Ahhh, the Neophyte Rules Nazi. So many of us have gone there before proper

training and experience !  LOL



And sometimes the rules are made up too !





----- Original Message -----

From: "John Chivers" <jchivers@...>

To: <llumpires@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:04 PM

Subject: Re: [llumpires] Holding runners at 2B





Oddly, this is something I used to worry about when I first started, 20

years ago. Umpiring is so much easier when you don't worry about things you

don't need to worry about, like shortstops slapping their glove, or players

sticking their fingers in the screen of the dugout, or whether sunflower

seeds and bubble gum are allowed.



First off, he probably means "distracting the runner", not "deceiving" him.

Second, there's no rule against it. Third, the shortstop is really just

helping the runner locate him. It's hard to sneak behind R2 when you're

slapping your glove like an idiot.







--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:



From: Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...>

Subject: [llumpires] Holding runners at 2B

To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:51 AM



In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.

He said it was "deceiving the runner". He did not give any explanation of

what would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the

penalty would have been. I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and

this is the only umpire in our district that has made this statement. Is he

correct or is he misinterpreting something?



Dave











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What did the base umpire say about it?



Frankly, this guy is making stuff up.  There is no rule anywhere that says this

is illegal.  Any runner who gets deceived by this is probably not much of a

player.



Does this umpire also stop runners from clapping their hands when they lead off?



Manny Aponte

VA D9 UIC



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:

>

> In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?

>

> Dave

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

The plate umpire was an "experienced" umpire that was new to our district and

the base umpire was the UIC for the league hosting the game (the host league's

team was not involved in the game).  The only thing I can figure is the base ump

did not want to show up the plate ump....









________________________________

From: Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...>

To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:22:26 AM

Subject: [llumpires] Re: Holding runners at 2B











What did the base umpire say about it?



Frankly, this guy is making stuff up. There is no rule anywhere that says this

is illegal. Any runner who gets deceived by this is probably not much of a

player.



Does this umpire also stop runners from clapping their hands when they lead off?



Manny Aponte

VA D9 UIC



--- In llumpires@yahoogrou ps.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?

>

> Dave

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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I have a lot of "experienced" umpires working in my area, however, that doesn't

mean they know the rules or they learned the rules from a previous Smitty who

didn't know them either.



I recently was informed that an "experienced" PU told a pitcher he couldn't turn

his head to look at 1B, that it would be a balk - go figure.



Jerry



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:

>

> The plate umpire was an "experienced" umpire that was new to our district and

the base umpire was the UIC for the league hosting the game (the host league's

team was not involved in the game).  The only thing I can figure is the base ump

did not want to show up the plate ump....

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...>

> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:22:26 AM

> Subject: [llumpires] Re: Holding runners at 2B

>

>

>

>

>

> What did the base umpire say about it?

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> Frankly, this guy is making stuff up. There is no rule anywhere that says this

is illegal. Any runner who gets deceived by this is probably not much of a

player.

>

> Does this umpire also stop runners from clapping their hands when they lead

off?

>

> Manny Aponte

> VA D9 UIC

>

> --- In llumpires@yahoogrou ps.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?

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> > Dave

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What the hell is he supposed to do?  Last I checked, side-view mirrors on ball

caps are considered jewelry, aren't they?







Manny Aponte



VA D9 UIC







To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

From: jlmckissack@...

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:54:46 +0000

Subject: [llumpires] Re: Holding runners at 2B















I have a lot of "experienced" umpires working in my area, however, that doesn't

mean they know the rules or they learned the rules from a previous Smitty who

didn't know them either.



I recently was informed that an "experienced" PU told a pitcher he couldn't turn

his head to look at 1B, that it would be a balk - go figure.



Jerry



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:

>

> The plate umpire was an "experienced" umpire that was new to our district and

the base umpire was the UIC for the league hosting the game (the host league's

team was not involved in the game).  The only thing I can figure is the base ump

did not want to show up the plate ump....

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...>

> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:22:26 AM

> Subject: [llumpires] Re: Holding runners at 2B

>

>

>

>

>

> What did the base umpire say about it?

>

> Frankly, this guy is making stuff up. There is no rule anywhere that says this

is illegal. Any runner who gets deceived by this is probably not much of a

player.

>

> Does this umpire also stop runners from clapping their hands when they lead

off?

>

> Manny Aponte

> VA D9 UIC

>

> --- In llumpires@yahoogrou ps.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?

> >

> > Dave

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Can they be connected to the pitcher's glasses? :))



Jerry



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...> wrote:

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>

> What the hell is he supposed to do?  Last I checked, side-view mirrors on ball

caps are considered jewelry, aren't they?

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> Manny Aponte

>

> VA D9 UIC

>

Only if they are prescription. :))





--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry McKissack" <jlmckissack@...> wrote:

>

> Can they be connected to the pitcher's glasses? :))

>

> Jerry

>

> --- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Manny Aponte <aponte5412@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > What the hell is he supposed to do?  Last I checked, side-view mirrors on

ball caps are considered jewelry, aren't they?

> >

> >

> >

> > Manny Aponte

> >

> > VA D9 UIC

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>

Well............ Jerry................



as you know from you time in D62 there



  is "experience" meaning the number of years an umpire may have been doing

rules and/or mechanics incorrectly according to a local

Charlie..............



and there is "experience" as taught using the Professional Mechanics and

Rules Interpretations of either of the two accredited MLB umpire

instructional schools (Jim Evans and Harry Wendlestat) along with OBR, JEA,

& Jaksa/Roder



  ........ all adapted for 60' diamonds and various safety rules, along with

90' diamonds.



As Jim Evans has said at any of his academy's ...something like....... 20

years of the wrong experience, and you are still a rookie umpire.  One year

of the right experience and you could be considered a knowledgeable umpire.



Barry Silverman

CA D62



-----Original Message-----

From: Jerry McKissack [mailto:jlmckissack@...]

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:55 AM

To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [llumpires] Re: Holding runners at 2B











I have a lot of "experienced" umpires working in my area, however, that

doesn't mean they know the rules or they learned the rules from a previous

Smitty who didn't know them either.



I recently was informed that an "experienced" PU told a pitcher he couldn't

turn his head to look at 1B, that it would be a balk - go figure.



Jerry



--- In llumpires@yahoogrou <mailto:llumpires%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, Dave

Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:

>

> The plate umpire was an "experienced" umpire that was new to our district

and the base umpire was the UIC for the league hosting the game (the host

league's team was not involved in the game).  The only thing I can figure is

the base ump did not want to show up the plate ump....

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...>

> To: llumpires@yahoogrou <mailto:llumpires%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com

> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:22:26 AM

> Subject: [llumpires] Re: Holding runners at 2B

>

>

>

>

>

> What did the base umpire say about it?

>

> Frankly, this guy is making stuff up. There is no rule anywhere that says

this is illegal. Any runner who gets deceived by this is probably not much

of a player.

>

> Does this umpire also stop runners from clapping their hands when they

lead off?

>

> Manny Aponte

> VA D9 UIC

>

> --- In llumpires@yahoogrou ps.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not

to pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second

base.  He said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any

explanation of what would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not

sure what the penalty would have been.  I can't find any reference to this

in the LGB and this is the only umpire in our district that has made this

statement.  Is he correct or is he misinterpreting something?

> >

> > Dave

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Of course, there's always the extreme...



Last night in a tournament game, I saw F6 sneak up behind R2 and loudly popped

his glove right in R2's ear.  I was amazed that F6 didn't actually hit R2 in the

process.  I was more amazed that, after returning to Earth, R2 didn't knock F6's

lights out.



I told F6 to knock it off, and didn't hear any more about it the rest of the

game.



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:

>

> In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?

>

> Dave

>

>

>

>

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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Clearly unsportsmanlike. I have no problem with your handling of the situation.



Manny Aponte

VA D9 UIC



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "kengibes" <kengibes@...> wrote:

>

> Of course, there's always the extreme...

>

> Last night in a tournament game, I saw F6 sneak up behind R2 and loudly popped

his glove right in R2's ear.  I was amazed that F6 didn't actually hit R2 in the

process.  I was more amazed that, after returning to Earth, R2 didn't knock F6's

lights out.

>

> I told F6 to knock it off, and didn't hear any more about it the rest of the

game.

>

> --- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@> wrote:

> >

> > In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to

pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He

said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what

would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would

have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only

umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he

misinterpreting something?

> >

> > Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

Yes... but only if they're regular corrective lenses, because *everybody* knows

that pitchers can't wear sunglasses!

 

TG

CA - D3



--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Jerry McKissack <jlmckissack@...> wrote:





From: Jerry McKissack <jlmckissack@...>

Subject: [llumpires] Re: Holding runners at 2B

To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 11:36 AM





Can they be connected to the pitcher's glasses? :))



Jerry



--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...> wrote:

>

>

> What the hell is he supposed to do?  Last I checked, side-view mirrors on ball

caps are considered jewelry, aren't they?

>

> 

>

> Manny Aponte

>

> VA D9 UIC

> 









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