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Re: Rest for Resumed Game: Any Official Ruling?

Marty,

Thank you for asking, but your question was not the same as the situation I'm
facing. Here's the scenario as it played out.

Two Juniors teams, Central and South, played each other on 7/1. The game was
called after three innings due to rain. They will resume the game on 7/7.

In the meantime, Central played a game on 7/3. The Central manager used three
pitchers, two of which exceeded 20 pitches. South plays tomorrow (7/6). Let's
assume they use two pitchers who also exceed 20 pitches.

When they finish their game against each other on 7/7, will those four pitchers
become eligible to pitch in their next games on 7/9? In other words, does the
resumption of that suspended game count as a game of rest for those four
pitchers?

Manny Aponte
VA D9 UIC

--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, Marty Ort <MOrt@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Manny!
>
> I asked a similar question of Corey Wright and he said that the suspended game
counts. I have placed our conversation below. Hope it helps!
>
> Marty:
>
> Yes, it would count as a game of rest. But one point of clarification, just
because the suspended game counts as a game of rest for this specific pitcher,
please remember that he is still in eligible to pitch in the resumption (if that
is the game next before a new game). Why? Because he is still ineligible to
pitch in the resumption because it's the SAME game that he was ineligible to
pitch in the first place.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Corey M. Wright
> Assistant East Region Director
> Little League Baseball and Softball
> East Region Headquarters
> PO Box 2926
> Bristol, CT 06011-2926
> Email: cwright@...<mailto:cwright@...>
> Website: www.LittleLeague.org/East<http://www.LittleLeague.org/East>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marty Ort [mailto:mort@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:12 PM
> To: Corey Wright
> Subject: Pitching Rule Question
>
> Hello my friend! I hope that all is well with you as the tournaments are
progressing.
>
> I have a quick question, and Mike and I are pretty sure we know the right
answer, but before we tell the coaches anything I want to be sure we have the
right answer.
>
> A pitcher threw 85 pitches on Sunday in a 9 - 10 Baseball tournament game.
His team's game on Tuesday was suspended in the fourth inning. Does the
suspended game count for the rest requirement allowing the pitcher from Sunday
to throw again on Thursday?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: llumpires@yahoogroups.com [mailto:llumpires@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manny Aponte
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:01 AM
> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [llumpires] Rest for Resumed Game: Any Official Ruling?
>
>
>
>
>
> I asked this on eteamz, and didn't get anything that I can use to convince a
couple of managers what they face. I also asked the question on the LL website's
"Ask the Tournament Director" feature, but since they haven't answered a
question since June 30th, my confidence in getting a timely answer is waning.
>
> This Tuesday (7/7), we are resuming a Juniors district pool-play game that was
stopped due to weather last week. In the meantime, both teams played complete
games over the weekend where they used pitchers that now require rest. They want
to know if the resumed game this Tuesday is going to serve as the game-rest
requirement for those pitchers.
>
> A couple of folks on eteamz claim that they were told by Andy K that resumed
games never count as games of rest, no matter how many innings are played.
That's because the first part of the game does count as a game if it goes one
inning, and making the completion of the game another game of rest basically
turns this into two separate games.
>
> So, does anybody have anything official to offer? My DA feels that the resumed
game should count, and I disagree. I feel like I should just tell both managers
that it doesn't count, let them protest, and then deal with it the old-fashioned
way (phone calls to LL HQ).
>
> Manny Aponte
> VA D9 UIC
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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I asked this on eteamz, and didn't get anything that I can use to convince a couple of managers what they face. I also asked the question on the LL website's...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 5, 2009
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I think it counts as a game. (Meets the spirit of the rule.) Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 5, 2009
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Manny, I agree with Jerry. You understand the spirit and intent of the rule. If you believe a pitcher is being over used, or a team is trying to gain ...
Ed Wiggins
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Jul 5, 2009
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If I was the opposing manager I would protest. So the best way to handle it is to call your region and get a ruling. So you are not preventing a protest by...
Clay Berry
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Jul 5, 2009
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Regions can't rule on protests - it has to go to LL HQ, but Manny could still send the question up the chain in order to avoid a protest. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 5, 2009
10:42 pm

... Jerry Check out Green Book page T-10, A (1-5) Manager lodges a protest. Play ceases. On field umpires conference and give consensus ruling. Both managers...
Don Hester
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Jul 6, 2009
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Understand - it has to follow the chain, but no Manager I know of ever accepts Regions ruling - why stop there. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 6, 2009
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Then they should be releived and repaced with someone that respects authoirity and he/she should never be allowed to manage a team.....simple as that Sent on...
rodman0563@...
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Jul 6, 2009
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That's not disrespecting authority, it's his privilege within the rules. Region cannot create interpretations, thus why accept "their" interpretation? Granted,...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 6, 2009
8:19 pm

Wow. How would you treat a manager who protests your decision in a game? Do you think that's also disrespecting your authority? Manny Aponte VA D9 UIC...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 6, 2009
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My bad, I thought it went up to WP for a ruling. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® ... From: "Manny Aponte" <aponte5412@...> Date: Mon,...
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The situation is BOTH teams want it counted and will protest if it's NOT. _____ From: llumpires@yahoogroups.com [mailto:llumpires@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of...
Ed Wiggins
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Jul 5, 2009
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Both of the teams playing the resumed game want it counted, but their next opponents probably do not :) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been...
Mark Perkins
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Jul 6, 2009
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That is irrelevant. _____ From: llumpires@yahoogroups.com [mailto:llumpires@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Perkins Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 5:20 PM To:...
Ed Wiggins
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Hi Manny! I asked a similar question of Corey Wright and he said that the suspended game counts. I have placed our conversation below. Hope it helps! Marty: ...
Marty Ort
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Jul 6, 2009
1:58 am

Now that's an interesting ruling and I (personally) have a problem with it - because the rule allows for the pitcher of record to return "if he's eligible"...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 6, 2009
2:20 am

I agree, Jerry. You can manipulate this rule more ways than Sunday to determine that every pitcher is eligible, or every pitcher is ineligible. LL HQ needs...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 6, 2009
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Marty, Thank you for asking, but your question was not the same as the situation I'm facing. Here's the scenario as it played out. Two Juniors teams, Central...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 6, 2009
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I should have read your email more clearly. However based on what they told me I would assume that the continuation counts, just as the suspended game counts. ...
Marty Ort
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Jul 6, 2009
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Is that you Cartman? Respect my A-Thor-A=TAY! -----Original Message----- From: rodman0563@... Sent: July 06, 2009 1:14 PM To:...
Ed Wiggins
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Not so simple at all, and it really doesn't have anything to do with respect for authority.  WP has the final authority on any protests.  If you aren't...
Theodore Gazulis
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Jul 7, 2009
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just a reminder.......  TG = Token Greek ________________________________ From: Theodore Gazulis <tgazulis@...> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Bill Bruce
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Jul 7, 2009
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Finally got something official from Williamsport. A continuation game WILL serve as a game of rest for pitchers requiring it, as long as it goes one complete...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 7, 2009
11:44 am

Cool - now ask them about which pitchers are eligible. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 7, 2009
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Here are the rules covering the pitching eligibility for the continuation of a suspended game: Tournament rule 4. c.Junior League: a pitcher remaining in the...
Tom Turner
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Jul 7, 2009
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We need another Greek in here... that way we can use another of the truisms:  Two Greeks, three opinions.   TG CA - D3 (Currently only one opinion at a time)...
Theodore Gazulis
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Jul 8, 2009
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Don't forget to argue it in half English/half Greek. Despite having a German surname, I am of 3/4 Greek heritage. Alex ________________________________ From:...
Alex Pufhal
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