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Rest for Resumed Game: Any Official Ruling?   Message List  
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Re: Rest for Resumed Game: Any Official Ruling?

If I was the opposing manager I would protest. So the best way to handle it is
to call your region and get a ruling. So you are not preventing a protest by
ruling one way or the other. It is best to get a clarification and not guess.

clay

--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Wiggins" <ewiggins11@...> wrote:
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> Manny,
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> I agree with Jerry. You understand the spirit and intent of the rule. If
> you believe a pitcher is being over used, or a team is trying to gain
> advantage by loop hole that is one thing. However that does not seem to be
> the case. In the absence of official guidance we should come down on the
> side of common sense. The rule is there to protect pitchers, not punish
> them by making them sit without reasonable cause.
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> Our job is to prevent protests, not cause them. Go with your DA and the
> wishes of the participants. I cannot see a down side if you don't believe
> there is any harm to the players and no one is trying to game the system.
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> Since LL is not responding is seems obvious they do not see this as a big
> deal.
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> All just my opinion, of course.
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> _____
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> From: llumpires@yahoogroups.com [mailto:llumpires@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jerry McKissack
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:45 AM
> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [llumpires] Re: Rest for Resumed Game: Any Official Ruling?
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> I think it counts as a game. (Meets the spirit of the rule.)
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> Jerry
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> --- In llumpires@yahoogrou <mailto:llumpires%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
> "Manny Aponte" <aponte5412@> wrote:
> >
> > I asked this on eteamz, and didn't get anything that I can use to convince
> a couple of managers what they face. I also asked the question on the LL
> website's "Ask the Tournament Director" feature, but since they haven't
> answered a question since June 30th, my confidence in getting a timely
> answer is waning.
> >
> > This Tuesday (7/7), we are resuming a Juniors district pool-play game that
> was stopped due to weather last week. In the meantime, both teams played
> complete games over the weekend where they used pitchers that now require
> rest. They want to know if the resumed game this Tuesday is going to serve
> as the game-rest requirement for those pitchers.
> >
> > A couple of folks on eteamz claim that they were told by Andy K that
> resumed games never count as games of rest, no matter how many innings are
> played. That's because the first part of the game does count as a game if it
> goes one inning, and making the completion of the game another game of rest
> basically turns this into two separate games.
> >
> > So, does anybody have anything official to offer? My DA feels that the
> resumed game should count, and I disagree. I feel like I should just tell
> both managers that it doesn't count, let them protest, and then deal with it
> the old-fashioned way (phone calls to LL HQ).
> >
> > Manny Aponte
> > VA D9 UIC
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I asked this on eteamz, and didn't get anything that I can use to convince a couple of managers what they face. I also asked the question on the LL website's...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 5, 2009
3:02 pm

I think it counts as a game. (Meets the spirit of the rule.) Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 5, 2009
3:45 pm

Manny, I agree with Jerry. You understand the spirit and intent of the rule. If you believe a pitcher is being over used, or a team is trying to gain ...
Ed Wiggins
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Jul 5, 2009
4:34 pm

If I was the opposing manager I would protest. So the best way to handle it is to call your region and get a ruling. So you are not preventing a protest by...
Clay Berry
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Jul 5, 2009
9:30 pm

Regions can't rule on protests - it has to go to LL HQ, but Manny could still send the question up the chain in order to avoid a protest. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 5, 2009
10:42 pm

... Jerry Check out Green Book page T-10, A (1-5) Manager lodges a protest. Play ceases. On field umpires conference and give consensus ruling. Both managers...
Don Hester
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Jul 6, 2009
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Understand - it has to follow the chain, but no Manager I know of ever accepts Regions ruling - why stop there. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 6, 2009
8:06 pm

Then they should be releived and repaced with someone that respects authoirity and he/she should never be allowed to manage a team.....simple as that Sent on...
rodman0563@...
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Jul 6, 2009
8:12 pm

That's not disrespecting authority, it's his privilege within the rules. Region cannot create interpretations, thus why accept "their" interpretation? Granted,...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 6, 2009
8:19 pm

Wow. How would you treat a manager who protests your decision in a game? Do you think that's also disrespecting your authority? Manny Aponte VA D9 UIC...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 6, 2009
8:24 pm

My bad, I thought it went up to WP for a ruling. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® ... From: "Manny Aponte" <aponte5412@...> Date: Mon,...
rodman0563@...
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Jul 6, 2009
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The situation is BOTH teams want it counted and will protest if it's NOT. _____ From: llumpires@yahoogroups.com [mailto:llumpires@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of...
Ed Wiggins
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Jul 5, 2009
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Both of the teams playing the resumed game want it counted, but their next opponents probably do not :) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been...
Mark Perkins
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Jul 6, 2009
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That is irrelevant. _____ From: llumpires@yahoogroups.com [mailto:llumpires@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Perkins Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 5:20 PM To:...
Ed Wiggins
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Jul 6, 2009
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Hi Manny! I asked a similar question of Corey Wright and he said that the suspended game counts. I have placed our conversation below. Hope it helps! Marty: ...
Marty Ort
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Jul 6, 2009
1:58 am

Now that's an interesting ruling and I (personally) have a problem with it - because the rule allows for the pitcher of record to return "if he's eligible"...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 6, 2009
2:20 am

I agree, Jerry. You can manipulate this rule more ways than Sunday to determine that every pitcher is eligible, or every pitcher is ineligible. LL HQ needs...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 6, 2009
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Marty, Thank you for asking, but your question was not the same as the situation I'm facing. Here's the scenario as it played out. Two Juniors teams, Central...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 6, 2009
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I should have read your email more clearly. However based on what they told me I would assume that the continuation counts, just as the suspended game counts. ...
Marty Ort
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Jul 6, 2009
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Is that you Cartman? Respect my A-Thor-A=TAY! -----Original Message----- From: rodman0563@... Sent: July 06, 2009 1:14 PM To:...
Ed Wiggins
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Jul 6, 2009
11:04 pm

Not so simple at all, and it really doesn't have anything to do with respect for authority.  WP has the final authority on any protests.  If you aren't...
Theodore Gazulis
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Jul 7, 2009
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just a reminder.......  TG = Token Greek ________________________________ From: Theodore Gazulis <tgazulis@...> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Bill Bruce
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Jul 7, 2009
11:23 am

Finally got something official from Williamsport. A continuation game WILL serve as a game of rest for pitchers requiring it, as long as it goes one complete...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 7, 2009
11:44 am

Cool - now ask them about which pitchers are eligible. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 7, 2009
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Here are the rules covering the pitching eligibility for the continuation of a suspended game: Tournament rule 4. c.Junior League: a pitcher remaining in the...
Tom Turner
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Jul 7, 2009
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We need another Greek in here... that way we can use another of the truisms:  Two Greeks, three opinions.   TG CA - D3 (Currently only one opinion at a time)...
Theodore Gazulis
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Jul 8, 2009
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Don't forget to argue it in half English/half Greek. Despite having a German surname, I am of 3/4 Greek heritage. Alex ________________________________ From:...
Alex Pufhal
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Jul 8, 2009
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