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Holding runners at 2B   Message List  
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Re: Holding runners at 2B

I always taught my infielders not to do that for the simple reason that they are
telling the runner where they are. I always taught my runners to ignore the
slapping and pay attention to the pitcher. F1 has the ball not the stupid
slappers.


--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, John Chivers <jchivers@...> wrote:
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> Oddly, this is something I used to worry about when I first started, 20 years
ago.  Umpiring is so much easier when you don't worry about things you don't
need to worry about, like shortstops slapping their glove, or players sticking
their fingers in the screen of the dugout, or whether sunflower seeds and bubble
gum are allowed.
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> First off, he probably means "distracting the runner", not "deceiving" him. 
Second, there's no rule against it.  Third, the shortstop is really just helping
the runner locate him.  It's hard to sneak behind R2 when you're slapping your
glove like an idiot.
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> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...> wrote:
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> From: Dave Wiley <malibuskier2003@...>
> Subject: [llumpires] Holding runners at 2B
> To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:51 AM
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> In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to
pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He
said it was "deceiving the runner".  He did not give any explanation of what
would happen if the action did not stop, so I am not sure what the penalty would
have been.  I can't find any reference to this in the LGB and this is the only
umpire in our district that has made this statement.  Is he correct or is he
misinterpreting something?
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In a LL Junior game, I had a plate umpire give a "warning" to the SS not to pound his fist into his glove when darting behind a runner at second base.  He...
Dave Wiley
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FAIL. ... From: "Dave Wiley" <malibuskier2003@...> To: <llumpires@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [llumpires] Holding...
Bob Larson
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Jun 30, 2009
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Hoo boy. Some serious re-education is in order. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Rich Fronheiser
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Jun 30, 2009
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Oddly, this is something I used to worry about when I first started, 20 years ago.  Umpiring is so much easier when you don't worry about things you don't...
John Chivers
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Jun 30, 2009
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... Pros do it. It's not done on a pickoff attempt. It's done other times to get the runner to move back or lean toward 2B, slowing his ability to advance....
Rich Ives
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Jun 30, 2009
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I always taught my infielders not to do that for the simple reason that they are telling the runner where they are. I always taught my runners to ignore the...
Michael Taylor
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Jul 2, 2009
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... What's wrong with telling the runner where they are? It can force the runner to hesitate or move back toward the bag. Just what you want him to do. If...
Rich Ives
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Jul 2, 2009
2:48 am

So what you are saying is that if they are slapping then no pick-off, you just trying to move them back. If you aren't slapping you are trying to pick and the...
Michael Taylor
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Jul 4, 2009
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... MAYBE! THEN AGAIN MAYBE WE'LL SLAP AND PICK. ... NOT NECESSARILY! MAYBE NOTHING IS GOING ON. ... Do you really think coaches are so dumb they'd telegraph...
Rich Ives
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Jul 4, 2009
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I've always thought it was just a bunch of silliness. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 4, 2009
11:27 pm

After a runner scored, he set up on the 3rd base extended line to direct a following runner to stay up or slide. The throw to F2 was off-line and hit the...
MichaelWmWalsh@...
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Jul 6, 2009
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He is an "authorized person" and must interfere intentionally for interference to be called. What you described was not intentional interference. Instead, he...
Travis Brown
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Jul 6, 2009
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What about rule 7.09(e) (e) Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made...
Jerry McKissack
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Jul 6, 2009
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Just keep in mind such interference must be intentional or blatant and avoidable. Otherwise every runner who has scored or put out would be plunked along with...
Ed Wiggins
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Jul 6, 2009
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From J/R: "This section invovles interference by offensive team personnel other than the batter during a pitch, the batter-runner, runners, or base coaches --...
Travis Brown
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Jul 6, 2009
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You said the throw was offline. I don't see why the defense should be bailed out on a bad throw. One reason the interference has to be intentional. Rita...
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Jul 6, 2009
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I'm in your camp on this one.? The real question comes down to whether the runner who scored is entitled to remain on the field to direct following runners.?...
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Jul 6, 2009
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R1, no outs. Ground ball to F6, who flips to F4 to start the front end of a DP. F4's throw goes wild, and the BR continues to second. F2 tracks down the...
Manny Aponte
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Jul 6, 2009
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Ahhh, the Neophyte Rules Nazi. So many of us have gone there before proper training and experience ! LOL And sometimes the rules are made up too ! ... From:...
Bob Larson
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Jun 30, 2009
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What did the base umpire say about it? Frankly, this guy is making stuff up. There is no rule anywhere that says this is illegal. Any runner who gets...
Manny Aponte
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Jun 30, 2009
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The plate umpire was an "experienced" umpire that was new to our district and the base umpire was the UIC for the league hosting the game (the host league's...
Dave Wiley
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Jun 30, 2009
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I have a lot of "experienced" umpires working in my area, however, that doesn't mean they know the rules or they learned the rules from a previous Smitty who...
Jerry McKissack
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Jun 30, 2009
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What the hell is he supposed to do? Last I checked, side-view mirrors on ball caps are considered jewelry, aren't they? Manny Aponte VA D9 UIC To:...
Manny Aponte
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Jun 30, 2009
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Can they be connected to the pitcher's glasses? :)) Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Jun 30, 2009
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Only if they are prescription. :))...
Michael Taylor
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Jul 2, 2009
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Well............ Jerry................ as you know from you time in D62 there is "experience" meaning the number of years an umpire may have been doing rules...
barrys@...
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Jun 30, 2009
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Of course, there's always the extreme... Last night in a tournament game, I saw F6 sneak up behind R2 and loudly popped his glove right in R2's ear. I was...
kengibes
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Jun 30, 2009
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Clearly unsportsmanlike. I have no problem with your handling of the situation. Manny Aponte VA D9 UIC...
Manny Aponte
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Jun 30, 2009
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Yes... but only if they're regular corrective lenses, because *everybody* knows that pitchers can't wear sunglasses!   TG CA - D3 ... From: Jerry McKissack...
Theodore Gazulis
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