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Re: [llumpires] Umpire Interference Question

One out. Runner on second
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From: butch follett
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Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [llumpires] Umpire Interference Question



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--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...> wrote:

From: Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...>
Subject: [llumpires] Umpire Interference Question
To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 10:41 PM

Sitch: R1, R3, no outs. On the pitch, R1 takes off for second. F2 attempts a
throw to
second, but his hand hits the PU's mask. The throw is still a good one...to
F4, who breaks in
towards the mound instead of towards second base on a pre-planned play. He
catches the
throw, and throws home to get R3, who broke on the throw by F2, by a mile.

What have you got?

Manny Aponte
VA D9 UIC

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out ... From: Manny Aponte <aponte5412@...> Subject: [llumpires] Umpire Interference Question To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009,...
butch follett
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Mar 3, 2009
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One out. Runner on second ... From: butch follett To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [llumpires] Umpire...
Pat
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Mar 3, 2009
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If the catcher's throw immediately and directly results in the runner being out, the interference is disregarded. If not, time is imposed and all runners must...
hooterb2
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Mar 3, 2009
4:01 am

I agree with Dave. Enforce the interference. The original throw from the catcher must retire a runner for the interference to be disregarded. The out on R3...
Rich Fronheiser
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Mar 3, 2009
4:04 am

... A very clutzy umpire. How the hell do you let that happen? As far as the call goes, the rules clearly cover it. F2's throw must retire a runner or the play...
Randy McMurchy
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Mar 3, 2009
4:04 am

From J/R: "Umpire interference occurs when A. the plate umpire contacts and hinders a catcher's throw during a pickoff, steal, or return toss to the pitcher." ...
Manny Aponte
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Mar 3, 2009
1:44 pm

... 5.09(b) "NOTE: The interference shall be disregarded if the catcher's throw retires the runner." It says THE runner, not ANY runner. 6.06(c) covers...
Rich Ives
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Mar 3, 2009
3:14 pm

Rich, the fundamental difference here is that the catcher's throw was never intended to make an attempt at retiring a stealing runner. Rather, it was the front...
Manny Aponte
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Mar 3, 2009
3:43 pm

Just another thought.... given the set up of the play (F4 cutting in to throw out runner heading home), it could be inferred that R3 was the runner that the...
Theodore Gazulis
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Mar 3, 2009
4:25 pm

No. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Rich Fronheiser
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Mar 3, 2009
4:28 pm

Not accoriding to Evans. Since F4 is not the catcher, the catcher's throw did not retire the runner, so the interference stands. If you're going to try and...
Jason Asbury
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Mar 3, 2009
4:35 pm

The rule tends to imply that runner is the one being played on by the catcher's throw when the interference occurred, now we're expanding it to the context of...
Jerry McKissack
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Mar 3, 2009
2:50 pm

Randy, Whether you are right or wrong, your reply is sanctimonious BS. You make it sound like the ump in the sitch is the first to do it. If so, why do you...
DarcyComm
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Mar 3, 2009
3:42 pm

For all of its other faults, Fed covers this play specifically. Casebook 5.1.2 Situation B reads: "With runners on third and first base, a double steal is...
Jason Asbury
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Mar 3, 2009
4:03 pm

I don't agree. Usually F2's throw is right online to 2b and F4 or F6 cuts in to get it. I've seen teams use it like a cut off and will have someone yell...
Bob Larson
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Mar 3, 2009
4:11 pm

Bob, I must disagree with your disagreeing. If you kill the play once a fielder cuts off the throw then you as the umpire are taking a possible out from the ...
Robert Elizalde
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Mar 3, 2009
4:37 pm

But you aren't giving the offense a benefit. The penalty is, the ball is dead when the runner being played on by the Catcher, in this case the runner from...
Jason Asbury
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Mar 3, 2009
4:39 pm

Jay, you're missing the point. The throw clearly wasn't a play by F2 or R1. It was a throw to F4. F2 was never making a play attempt on a stealing runner. ...
Manny Aponte
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Mar 3, 2009
4:51 pm

The rule (and what Evans also says) entitles the catcher to complete his throw to try to retire a runner. Otherwise, the play is dead. I am not a mind-reader....
Rich Fronheiser
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Mar 3, 2009
4:55 pm

I don't think I'm missing the point. The Evans case play handles this, and expands on it to include any throw. No matter where the relay intervenes on this...
Jason Asbury
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Mar 3, 2009
5:05 pm

Perhaps I'm just getting hung up on the basic 2.00 Definition of Umpire Interference, where it says it happens "[w]hen an umpire hinders, impedes or prevents a...
Manny Aponte
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Mar 3, 2009
5:44 pm

But JEA also is pretty clear about the throw from F2 directly retiring the runner for UI to be ignored. The throw you describe doesn't retire the runner. It,...
Jason Asbury
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Mar 4, 2009
2:02 pm

Manny: As stated, although this is a set play, many teams run it as a double action play. They don't decide until the ball is in the air whether it is going to...
Michael Taylor
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Mar 4, 2009
10:19 pm

Hi everyone.  I've been reading intently on the current topic and I've got a non-related scenario that may help answer the question.  I've had several...
dwayne grenko
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Mar 5, 2009
2:51 am

Hi everyone. I've been reading intently on the current topic and I've got a non-related scenario that may help answer the question. I've had several...
Jay
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Mar 5, 2009
3:01 am

Unless you're talking HS rules, the balk doesn't necessarily stand. If, as in your situation, the batter hits the ball and everyone including the BR advances...
Will Bumgardner
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Mar 5, 2009
3:02 am

I agree with that.  The point is though, the interference can't be ignored.  I know either team would have a gripe if the play went against them and there...
dwayne grenko
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Mar 5, 2009
3:06 am

You can almost always tell a FED umpire when they do Little League games, they kill the play when they call a balk. Unfortunately I have even watched it happen...
Clay Berry
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Mar 5, 2009
6:29 am

I know that in little league there is no balk with majors and below. However in Juniors and above, "when a balk is called and the pitch is delivered it will be...
dwayne grenko
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Mar 5, 2009
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I've also seen the opposite in a number of my son's HS games. Umpires call a balk (without calling Time), let play run its course if the batter hits it, and...
Manny Aponte
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Mar 5, 2009
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