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Re: Delay of Game Balk


--- In llumpires@yahoogroups.com, "naumpires" <naumpires@y...> wrote:
>
> LLB Seniors (basically OBR):
>
> R2, 1 out. F1 tries a pickoff, but no one covers the bag. rather
than
> holding the ball F1 throws to F6, who is not "dogging" the runner,
but
> is at his normal position. BU called a "Balk" for unnecessary
delay of
> game.
>
> I say he should have penalized him 5 yards and a loss of down,
because
> that's not a baseball rule.
>
> What do you think ?
>
> (apologies if this gets posted twice - 1st one seemed to get eaten)

For those looking for documentation, my post from the same subject
on eteamz:

MLBUM 7.5

(a) The pitcher shall be charged with a balk if, while in contact
with the rubber, he throws to the first baseman who is either in
front of or behind first base and obviously not making an attempt at
retiring the runner at first base. However, there is no violation if
the pitcher throws the ball directly to first base in this situation.

Also note that there is no violation if the pitcher attempts a
pickoff at second or third and throws to an infielder who is in
front of or behind either of those bases (i.e., this violation is
only in reference to pick-offs at first base). Also see next
paragraph in this section.

(b) There is no violation if a pitcher attempts a pick-off at second
base and, seeing no fielder covering the bag, throws to the
shortstop or second baseman, neither of whom is in the vicinity of
the bag nor is making an actual attempt to retire the runner.







Wed Feb 2, 2005 2:14 am

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LLB Seniors (basically OBR): R2, 1 out. F1 tries a pickoff, but no one covers the bag. rather than holding the ball F1 throws to F6, who is not "dogging" the...
naumpires
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Feb 2, 2005
12:02 am

An unnecessary delay is indeed a balk, but what the pitcher did is not an unnecessary delay and it is not a balk. The umpire erred. There is plenty of...
Dave Hensley
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Feb 2, 2005
12:15 am

We covered this at Western Region last week. See a Balk, Call a Balk. It's not a balk, according to the tape. naumpires <naumpires@...> wrote: LLB...
Paul Thatcher
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Feb 2, 2005
12:16 am

... Sounds like your BU was trying to get the game over with. Not a balk nor a delay. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Feb 2, 2005
1:25 am

... than ... but ... delay of ... because ... For those looking for documentation, my post from the same subject on eteamz: MLBUM 7.5 (a) The pitcher shall be...
Rich Ives
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Feb 2, 2005
2:14 am

Pitchers are NOT required to complete a throw to second, even though they have not initiated a throw to second. Neither is it a balk if the pitcher throws when...
Brandon B. Block
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Feb 2, 2005
3:43 am

Check 8.05(h) - "the pitcher unnecessarily delays the game". Nick Haluschak WA Dist 4 Vancouver, WA ... From: naumpires [mailto:naumpires@...] Sent:...
Nick Haluschak
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Feb 2, 2005
3:48 am

Are you saying he IS unnecessarily delaying the game merely by the act of throwing to F6, who is not actually in a position to immediately make a play or R2 ? ...
naumpires
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Feb 2, 2005
4:30 am

... No - what he's saying is -- there is in fact a balk penalty for a pitcher delaying the game - i.e., delay of game is a baseball rule (see 8.05) Is that...
Jerry McKissack
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Feb 2, 2005
5:15 am

I know that, and somehow you know he knows that because I guess you know that and you know him, and you know he that he meant that, but it might be...
naumpires
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Feb 2, 2005
5:27 am

... Agree ... J...
Jerry McKissack
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Feb 2, 2005
3:23 pm

Nope. Just pointing out that unnecessary delay is a balk. Not one that I'd likely call. -- Nick Haluschak WA Dist 4 Vancouver, WA ... [Non-text portions of...
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Feb 2, 2005
10:49 pm

OK - all is right with the world. I wonder what it would take for me (and you) to call this balk ? Probably something like and F1 who persists in wandering...
naumpires
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Feb 3, 2005
1:20 am

While I agree in principle with you that this is not a balk, and that you could make a good argument that if F6 were 'closer' to 3B than to 2B that the throw...
Bowland, Craig
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Feb 3, 2005
1:58 pm

Yes, I agree that this can be called a balk(8.05h), we all should agree on the rule and the interpretation. I read in one of the treads that one would let f1...
Brandon B. Block
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Feb 3, 2005
8:49 pm

Evans, Custom and Usage to 8.05(c) notes: Customs and Usage: For practical enforcement purposes, stepping directly means stepping within 45 degrees of a...
Dave Hensley
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Feb 4, 2005
12:26 am

I agree with you; but your original post dealt with F6/F4 being closer to one base than another, not the pitcher. The pitcher can still step 'towards' 2B and...
Bowland, Craig
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Feb 4, 2005
2:03 pm

Hadn't really thought about that; I just think of the pitcher stepping towards the fielder he's throwing to, and thinking if he's stepping within that 45...
Dave Hensley
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Feb 4, 2005
2:22 pm
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