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RE: [llumpires] Delay of Game Balk

An unnecessary delay is indeed a balk, but what the pitcher did is not an
unnecessary delay and it is not a balk. The umpire erred. There is plenty
of documentation in the authoritative literature that a pitcher can feint to
2B or 3B without throwing if runners are present at the bases feinted to,
and there is no balk. Furthermore, when we're talking R2 and/or R3, the
pitcher need not throw "directly to the base" like he has to with an R1 at
1st base; the professional interpretation is that if he throws to F6 or F4
who are closer to the base being feinted to than any other base, then that
satisfies the "step/feint/throw to a base" requirement. So, in the example
you gave, if F6 had been closer to 3B than he was to 2B (unlikely) then a
balk could have been called under balk rule 8.05(d), feinting/throwing to an
unoccupied base.

8.05(h) is the balk rule prohibiting the pitcher from unnecessarily delaying
the game; however, it is simply not proper to invoke that rule in the
circumstances you described.


-----Original Message-----
From: naumpires [mailto:naumpires@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:02 PM
To: llumpires@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [llumpires] Delay of Game Balk


LLB Seniors (basically OBR):

R2, 1 out. F1 tries a pickoff, but no one covers the bag. rather than
holding the ball F1 throws to F6, who is not "dogging" the runner, but
is at his normal position. BU called a "Balk" for unnecessary delay of
game.

I say he should have penalized him 5 yards and a loss of down, because
that's not a baseball rule.

What do you think ?

(apologies if this gets posted twice - 1st one seemed to get eaten)






Wed Feb 2, 2005 12:15 am

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LLB Seniors (basically OBR): R2, 1 out. F1 tries a pickoff, but no one covers the bag. rather than holding the ball F1 throws to F6, who is not "dogging" the...
naumpires
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Feb 2, 2005
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An unnecessary delay is indeed a balk, but what the pitcher did is not an unnecessary delay and it is not a balk. The umpire erred. There is plenty of...
Dave Hensley
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Feb 2, 2005
12:15 am

We covered this at Western Region last week. See a Balk, Call a Balk. It's not a balk, according to the tape. naumpires <naumpires@...> wrote: LLB...
Paul Thatcher
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Feb 2, 2005
12:16 am

... Sounds like your BU was trying to get the game over with. Not a balk nor a delay. Jerry...
Jerry McKissack
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Feb 2, 2005
1:25 am

... than ... but ... delay of ... because ... For those looking for documentation, my post from the same subject on eteamz: MLBUM 7.5 (a) The pitcher shall be...
Rich Ives
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Feb 2, 2005
2:14 am

Pitchers are NOT required to complete a throw to second, even though they have not initiated a throw to second. Neither is it a balk if the pitcher throws when...
Brandon B. Block
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Feb 2, 2005
3:43 am

Check 8.05(h) - "the pitcher unnecessarily delays the game". Nick Haluschak WA Dist 4 Vancouver, WA ... From: naumpires [mailto:naumpires@...] Sent:...
Nick Haluschak
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Feb 2, 2005
3:48 am

Are you saying he IS unnecessarily delaying the game merely by the act of throwing to F6, who is not actually in a position to immediately make a play or R2 ? ...
naumpires
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Feb 2, 2005
4:30 am

... No - what he's saying is -- there is in fact a balk penalty for a pitcher delaying the game - i.e., delay of game is a baseball rule (see 8.05) Is that...
Jerry McKissack
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Feb 2, 2005
5:15 am

I know that, and somehow you know he knows that because I guess you know that and you know him, and you know he that he meant that, but it might be...
naumpires
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Feb 2, 2005
5:27 am

... Agree ... J...
Jerry McKissack
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Feb 2, 2005
3:23 pm

Nope. Just pointing out that unnecessary delay is a balk. Not one that I'd likely call. -- Nick Haluschak WA Dist 4 Vancouver, WA ... [Non-text portions of...
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Feb 2, 2005
10:49 pm

OK - all is right with the world. I wonder what it would take for me (and you) to call this balk ? Probably something like and F1 who persists in wandering...
naumpires
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Feb 3, 2005
1:20 am

While I agree in principle with you that this is not a balk, and that you could make a good argument that if F6 were 'closer' to 3B than to 2B that the throw...
Bowland, Craig
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Feb 3, 2005
1:58 pm

Yes, I agree that this can be called a balk(8.05h), we all should agree on the rule and the interpretation. I read in one of the treads that one would let f1...
Brandon B. Block
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Feb 3, 2005
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Evans, Custom and Usage to 8.05(c) notes: Customs and Usage: For practical enforcement purposes, stepping directly means stepping within 45 degrees of a...
Dave Hensley
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Feb 4, 2005
12:26 am

I agree with you; but your original post dealt with F6/F4 being closer to one base than another, not the pitcher. The pitcher can still step 'towards' 2B and...
Bowland, Craig
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Feb 4, 2005
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Hadn't really thought about that; I just think of the pitcher stepping towards the fielder he's throwing to, and thinking if he's stepping within that 45...
Dave Hensley
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Feb 4, 2005
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