I am posting the question here instead of asking the individual
photographers in case the answer is of interest to a wider
audience.

If we want to use some of the posted pictures in personal blogs,
is that allowed?  Is it acceptable to download them?  Do we need
to request permission for use on a picture-by-picture basis?  Do
we need to give attribution if we use them?

Murali Krishnan wrote:
> I am posting the question here instead of asking the individual
> photographers in case the answer is of interest to a wider
> audience.
>
> If we want to use some of the posted pictures in personal blogs,
> is that allowed?  Is it acceptable to download them?  Do we need
> to request permission for use on a picture-by-picture basis?  Do
> we need to give attribution if we use them?
>


For photos I take, I ask for at least a link to the original page, with some
sort of citation in the caption.  This is what I try to do with photos I use. 
An exception on the Low-Key pages is the screen background images, which are
substantially abstracted.

Murali.

All the photos/video I take are essentially "donated"
to low-key, so for mine, you can follow Dan's fair-use
guidelines below.

--- Dan Connelly <djconnel@...> wrote:

> Murali Krishnan wrote:
> > I am posting the question here instead of asking
> the individual
> > photographers in case the answer is of interest to
> a wider
> > audience.
> >
> > If we want to use some of the posted pictures in
> personal blogs,
> > is that allowed?  Is it acceptable to download
> them?  Do we need
> > to request permission for use on a
> picture-by-picture basis?  Do
> > we need to give attribution if we use them?
> >
>
>
> For photos I take, I ask for at least a link to the
> original page, with some sort of citation in the
> caption.  This is what I try to do with photos I
> use.  An exception on the Low-Key pages is the
> screen background images, which are substantially
> abstracted.
>
>




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A question:

> Given that I rode in today's ride up Montebello, do I need to bring
> another release form for the rest of the climbs?  Or does having my form
> on file work for all the rest of the events?

Release forms are dated with the name of the event, so we need a fresh release
form for each climb in the series.  If you can have this ready before arriving,
it will help a lot!

thanks,
Dan

On Oct 1, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Murali Krishnan wrote:

> I am posting the question here instead of asking the individual
> photographers in case the answer is of interest to a wider
> audience.
>
> If we want to use some of the posted pictures in personal blogs,
> is that allowed? Is it acceptable to download them? Do we need
> to request permission for use on a picture-by-picture basis? Do
> we need to give attribution if we use them?



Hi Murali ~

thanks for asking.  All my photos on flickr are Creative Commons
licensed, Attribution Non-Commercial.  This essentially means that
you're free to use it any way you wish, just link back to my flickr
page.  (The non-commercial means that you shouldn't be making money
directly off the photo, but personal blogs are certainly okay :)

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/deed.en-us

enjoy,


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updated October 12, 2005

On Sep 30, 2007, at 11:04 PM, Calvin Do wrote:

> My riding buddy David decided to watch the ride from the comforts of
> his motorcycle.  Here's his perspective:
>
> "At my second viewing point, fairly close to the top, it was very
> interesting.
>
> The first guy was flying!  Looked effortless.  And get this, he
> wasn’t even breathing  hard.  When he came by he said “How’s it
> going?” and smiled as if I was meeting someone walking down the
> hall!  I’m serious, it was weird (and yes I know this guy was in the
> race, I recognized him as the first guy at my first viewing point).


Sounds like bill ;)

I'm curious about his hybrid.  Is that something that's similar to
hybrid cars, where the batteries are charged when you're going
downhill / easy, or does it have to be plugged in?

thanks,

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updated October 12, 2005

There seems to be issues with the web site at the moment.

For now, use this "unofficial" alternate, which isn't 100% updated:

http://lowkeyhillclimbs.com/

Hopefully I can get the main site back up tomorrow night.

Dan

I put a new ranking on the web page: annual improvement.  This is calculated as
the difference in 2007 - 2006 median scores for each rider (median instead of
mean to avoid influence of outliers).

Anyway, it's posted to:
http://lowkey.djconnel.com/2007/overall/

The main web site is back up -- it turns out my default inbox, which I never
check, was clogged with 325MB of spam, which sent me over quota, which caused
things to lock.  The site admin was able to flush it, which unlocked my
account...

Dan

Apologies for group wide post

Justin of Organic Athlete and Google-
I lent you my knee warmer at Montebello.  Could you please wash it and bring it
to Kings if
you are attending. I'll be at reg at Kings.   Or give it to Dan Connelly at any
future climb (or
contact me for address if this doesn't work).
Thanks,
Cara

From [http://www.lowkey.djconnel.com/2007/week2/]:
> We'll be reg/staging in the NE corner area of Alpine and Portola Roads

Is this correct?  This sounds like the staging location for
Old La Honda.  It seems unnecessarily distant from the start
of Kings Mountain.  Can someone confirm this?

Murali Krishnan wrote:
>>From [http://www.lowkey.djconnel.com/2007/week2/]:
>> We'll be reg/staging in the NE corner area of Alpine and Portola Roads
>
> Is this correct?  This sounds like the staging location for
> Old La Honda.  It seems unnecessarily distant from the start
> of Kings Mountain.  Can someone confirm this?
>

There's not many good staging areas in this area, given folks prefer to park
near the staging area.  But really, The extra warm-up isn't a bad thing.

Dan

Climbers!

Are you not looking forward to re-watching all those
tour-de-france tapes again before the big race
tomorrow??

Here's something NEW to watch (and motivate) !!

The streaming video for the first week of the 2007
low-key hillclimb series (Montebello) is now
available!  Special thanks to everyone's
participation.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6841996929268478350

Dan will be posting a reference on the website soon.



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I have some preliminary results posted.  Thanks to all for coming!

Some riders who had ridden last year got new numbers.  I restored the numbers
from last year.  So Keith Devlin, Anny Henry, and Chris Soukup should note your
proper numbers on the "returning riders sheet" next climb you do.

I have no finishing time right now for Chris Harrison and David Berti.  When
photos are posted, we can resolve this.  For now, if you guys will let me know
approximately where you finished, that would help.

Also, Bob Parker and Ileana Parker were on a tandem.  Rules for tandems are if
both are mail, scoring is as two males.  Two females, scoring is as for two
females.  Male and female: each scores the lower of the scores each would
receive separately with the same time, so they get the same score, one in the
male category, one in the female category.  I need to code this, still.  So far,
I have only Bob listed in the results..

http://lowkey.djconnel.com/2007/week2/results.html

Dan

Climbers!

Please see the link below for: week 2, Kings Mountain

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14340751@N03/sets/72157602294082924/show/

Couple of items:

1. I had a number "technical" difficulties today,
which prevented me from getting more pictures.  Very
sorry.

2. I don't have an expensive camera, therefore,
because of the dark wooded terrain, I was unable to
get really good shots at the finish-line.  Even though
there are a number of blurry photos (which a real
photographer wouldn't post) -- I posted them anyway.

Dan will have a link to these on the website
soon--thanks Dan!

Thanks,
Ron



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Folks:

I frequently get asked questions about my bike.  Here are the most
common:

-------------

Q: Does it have regenerative braking?

A: The (human-electric) hybrid bike I was riding doesn't have
regenerative braking.  All of the energy for charging the batteries
comes from the grid.

Regenerative braking sounds like a neat idea, but it's generally not
too practical on an electric bike.  You could set it up to charge while
you pedal, but then you wouldn't have much left to move the bike
forward, and there's less energy to be captured from the down-hills
than you might think, mainly due to aerodynamic losses.  The following
white paper discusses regenerative braking in the context of electric
bikes:
http://ecospeed.net/regenbraking.pdf

I maintain efficiency by keeping the bike as aerodynamic as is
practical and by running the motor through the gears so that the motor
is always operating in its efficient range.

Q: How far can you ride on it?

A: It depends mainly on the battery capacity, on how much effort I
choose to contribute, and on how heavy a thumb I place on the throttle.
   For me this usually depends on how much climbing is on the course.  I
estimate that on a course where I don't use the motor except on the
up-hills, where my speed is moderately fast and where I use the
360-watt motor I'm probably good for about 13k feet of climbing.  If I
use less motor power on the up-hills (e.g. ride up gradual grades <2%
w/o motor and climb the steeper stuff slowly) I can probably get about
15k feet of climbing.  My typical ride in the Santa Cruz Mountains has
me using between 4 and 10 watt-hours per mile.  With the 500-watt motor
my "mileage" is in the range of 8 to 12 watt-hours per mile.

The motor drive system is about 71% efficient when comparing power
drawn from the batteries to power at the rear wheel.  The motor made by
Headline Motor in Taiwan (distributed by Cyclone) comes in two flavors,
500-watt and 360-watt (rated continuous input power) and drives the
bike through a 9.5:1 planetary gear reducer attached to a 14t freewheel
(configured so that I can pedal without turning the motor) that is
connected by standard bike chain to a 58T chainwheel on my left crank.
Yes, the pedals are forced around by the motor, so I have to pedal at
least lightly all of the time.  This has one obvious disadvantage, that
I can't sit idly on the bike, but several advantages discussed here:
http://cleverchimp.com/products/stokemonkey/faq/#waycow

The batteries I use are the Valence U-Charge RT LiFePO4 (12v/40Ah x2)
in a U1 format; energy capacity is just over 1 kwh (3600 kJoules).
Marginal cost to recharge a completely spent battery is less than 15
cents including charge inefficiencies.

For the Montebello hill-climb I used 199.6 watt-hours of battery energy
(38 watt-hours/mile); average power to the rear wheel (measured with a
PowerTap hub) was around 635 watts.  The actual average power was
probably higher because when running the motor at high power, the motor
controller gives off enough EM interference to block the signal from
the PT hub, so my average is missing the peak data.  For the Montebello
climb I estimate that the motor was contributing about 2/3 and I about
1/3 of the total work.  On mixed terrain in a non-race situation the
motor usually does about 1/3 of the work, and I do about 2/3.

For the Montebello hill climb I used the 500 watt (rated continuous
input power) motor, but for my usual riding I use the more energy
efficient 360 watt motor and settle for slower hill climbing speeds.
At slower speeds and with the smaller motor I might do the Montebello
climb using only 120 watt-hours.

My hybrid bike is designed so that I can ride all day in mixed terrain
and get adequate exercise but not have to work as hard overall.  My
participating in the Low-Key Hillclimbs is to have fun, generate some
laughs, and to give exposure to the viability of the concept of a
hybrid bike.  If the classification ever becomes popular, some
standards would need to be set, limits on motor size, rid-ability on
pedal power alone, and so forth, because at the limit, the fastest
hill-climbing electric hybrid system would be a lightweight person on
some sort of electric motorcycle with vestigial pedals and batteries
sized to the task where the motor does 99% of the work.  Batteries have
a higher energy and power density than people.

http://tinyurl.com/yv3476B
http://www.cyclone-usa.com/store.php?crn=200
http://www.valence.com/products/ucharge_rt.html

Bill Bushnell
http://pobox.com/~bushnell/

hey all ~

http://www.flickr.com/photos/smadness/sets/72157602326392061/

more photos posted.  Some are a bit blurry, sorry :(

some turned out pretty awesome, though :)

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updated October 12, 2005

Climbers!

Please see the below link to Week 2, Kings Mountain

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6229166461804629812

Because of a very tight schedule I am on, I was only
able to do the minimum here.  My video recorder also
malfunctioned at the top, and I missed a large number
of riders.  We have purchased a new video camera, so
we should not have any problems on B-O-B this coming weekend.



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I fixed the tandem score issue.  Now tandems are scored as follows:

* a rider on a tandem is given a preliminary score based on his/her division
(currently, "m", "f", or "h")
* after these are calculated, if there are multiple divisions on a tandem (ie a
male and female), then the lowest score of all is used for each.
   In other words, if a male and female ride on the same tandem, the faster
median time (male or female) is used to score each.
* tandem times don't count in the median time determination for score
normalization, unless all riders are on tandems.
* tandem scores are not included in the most improved rider regression
* tandem scores are not included in the annual improvement score calculation.

The complications are so riders on a tandem can ride solo some weeks, tandem
other weeks, perhaps with different partners, and still receive a meaningful
aggregate score.

Dan

P.S. Tandems on Bohlman?

P.P.S. If anyone knows how to get Perl's printf "%s" to properly align
multi-byte unicode characters, please let me know.... thanks!

A request to folks coming out for Low-Keys....

1. Returning riders from 2006-2007 sign in on the returning rider sheet.  Change
cat or team on this sheet.
2. Only those who haven't yet participated in 2006-2007 should sign in on the
new rider sheet.

Returning riders: please double-check your number against the returning rider
sheet (or the on-line results).  We've had some misread numbers, which
complicates results.

New riders/reg volunteers: please write names carefully, as sometimes it's hard
to read handwriting, and we get names wrong on the results. (we use the sign-in
sheet, rather than the waiver form, for the database).

thanks!!!

Dan

For the last two weeks, I've pre-ridden the climb beforehand (my Montebello
pre-ride included the dirt to Page Mill, which is fun for folks who haven't done
that yet), but this week, I haven't done so.  Past experience is that some folks
are actually sick enough that they pre-ride Bohlman :).  I'm interested in any
reports people have of the climb.

We're going to check it out pre-race tomorrow.  But any observations made here
are also beneficial.

Dan

I rode it on Wednesday.
It's in good shape, so sections have been re-paved recently.
However, it was a little wet, and very slippery on the decent.
So if it's raining tomorrow, the decent after the race might be a bit
dangerous.

Guy



>From: Dan Connelly <djconnel@...>
>Reply-To: lkhc@yahoogroups.com
>To: lkhc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [lkhc] Bohlman conditions?
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:16:24 -0700
>
>For the last two weeks, I've pre-ridden the climb beforehand (my Montebello
>pre-ride included the dirt to Page Mill, which is fun for folks who haven't
>done
>that yet), but this week, I haven't done so.  Past experience is that some
>folks
>are actually sick enough that they pre-ride Bohlman :).  I'm interested in
>any
>reports people have of the climb.
>
>We're going to check it out pre-race tomorrow.  But any observations made
>here
>are also beneficial.
>
>Dan

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I "pre-rode" bohlman-on orbit on Sunday.  Like you did with
Montebello, I rode the dirt road at the top of bohlman over to
Montevina rd and down to Lexington res.  Descending Montevina is more
enjoyable then descending bohlman... less braking.  (and you can
always throw black road up to skyline and down hwy 9 into saratoga to
make a nice 5000' loop)

As far as road conditions, I've ridden bohlman a full 2 days after a
rain and many of the shady spots were still wet and I spun in a few
spots, (maybe not a problem if you riding a triple) and descending
with the wet conditions was a bit sketchy.

-Brian



--- In lkhc@yahoogroups.com, Dan Connelly <djconnel@...> wrote:
>
> For the last two weeks, I've pre-ridden the climb beforehand (my
Montebello
> pre-ride included the dirt to Page Mill, which is fun for folks who
haven't done
> that yet), but this week, I haven't done so.  Past experience is
that some folks
> are actually sick enough that they pre-ride Bohlman :).  I'm
interested in any
> reports people have of the climb.
>
> We're going to check it out pre-race tomorrow.  But any observations
made here
> are also beneficial.
>
> Dan
>

Brian wrote:
> I "pre-rode" bohlman-on orbit on Sunday.  Like you did with
> Montebello, I rode the dirt road at the top of bohlman over to
> Montevina rd and down to Lexington res.  Descending Montevina is more
> enjoyable then descending bohlman... less braking.  (and you can
> always throw black road up to skyline and down hwy 9 into saratoga to
> make a nice 5000' loop)
>
> As far as road conditions, I've ridden bohlman a full 2 days after a
> rain and many of the shady spots were still wet and I spun in a few
> spots, (maybe not a problem if you riding a triple) and descending
> with the wet conditions was a bit sketchy.
>
> -Brian
>


Thanks, Brian!  It still boggles my mind that folks pre-ride this thing.  It's
taken me at least a few months to mentally recover each time I've done it :).

For the wet, steep road, it's important to keep weight far enough back to
maintain traction, yet far enough forward to not lift the front wheel.  Focus on
having a super-fluid pedal stroke, taking the pedals over the top and bottom of
the circle, not pulling too hard or too suddenly on the handlebars. As much as
possible, relax.  And, obviously, use your smallest gear.

I live on Potrero Hill, so while I don't ride Bohlman much, I do get plenty of
practice on steep (but short) roads...

Dan

Guy Cote wrote:
> I rode it on Wednesday.
> It's in good shape, so sections have been re-paved recently.
> However, it was a little wet, and very slippery on the decent.
> So if it's raining tomorrow, the decent after the race might be a bit
> dangerous.
>
> Guy


Yes -- folks want to be really careful on the descent.   Bohlman all the way on
the way down isn't as sicko-steep as the On Orbit detour we'll climb.  There IS
a small descent on the way up at the end of On Orbit to the turn left back onto
Bohlman, though.  So be careful there!

I was on a bike tour in Italy this summer with Cinghiale Tours, which is Andy
Hampsten's company.  At the top of a damp, steep descent, Andy was asked how the
pros would have ridden down.  "We would have absolutely BOMBED it" he said.
Nobody did any bombing on our ride, however: we were really careful.  One guy
still went down, though.

The best things to remember on the descent, from my experience:
1. relax
2. go into corners slow
3. minimize braking in sharp corners -- braking decreases traction (it adds a
linear deceleration to the radial acceleration associated with turning,
resulting in a combined acceleration which can exceed the traction limit).
Better to follow advice #2.

Dan

Gary Griffin wrote:
> Dan,
>
>             Can you comment on the dirt section between Bohlman and
> Montevina?  With the recent rain will it be impassible on a road bike?
>
I invite other opinions, but my own estimation is it'll be ridable, but messy,
as the ground can absorb a lot of water at this point.

Dan

Our excellent week 1-2 photographer, John Gale, won't be @ Bohlman today.  As
always, if anyone wants to take photos of the riders and post them on-line, we
consider that a volunteer position from the standpoint of scoring and for 2 free
entries for you or a friend.


Dan

On Oct 13, 2007, at 5:31 AM, Dan Connelly wrote:

> Our excellent week 1-2 photographer, John Gale, won't be @ Bohlman
> today.  As
> always, if anyone wants to take photos of the riders and post them
> on-line, we
> consider that a volunteer position from the standpoint of scoring
> and for 2 free
> entries for you or a friend.

John's pics last week were great! Definitely one of the perks of the
series. Today there was at least one photographer out with a nice
camera --- hoping to see my rabid foaming mouth posted online...

ammon

http://lowkey.djconnel.com/2007/week3/results.html

Dan