I just got some boxes from Hammer full of gel, flasks, Hammer Heed, and
Endurolyte samples.  Fantastic!

What I want to know is whether I should also get some of their "liquid food":
Perpetuum:
http://www.hammernutrition.com/products/perpetuem.pp.html?navcat=fuels-energy-dr\
inks

or Sustained Energy:
http://www.hammernutrition.com/products/sustained-energy.se.html?navcat=fuels-en\
ergy-drinks

I personally find this stuff works fantastic on double centuries.  Indeed, my
best finish ever in a double was one where I ate hardly anything, relying almost
completely on Sustained Energy for my calories.  The stuff really does work.

But it is a pain to mix, and folks might prefer "real food" for the MegaMonster,
or to run off only gel.

If anyone wants the Perpetuum or Sustained energy, let me know.  I'm sure Kevin
will have plenty of bananas, so we may be good with the Hammer we have now.

Dan

Dan:

While I won't be there, I can testify that the Sustained works!  I've done
everything from double centuries, races, 12 and 24 hour events, all without
eating solid food.  In fact, solid food often slows me down to digest it!

Good luck to everyone!

Ken G

-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...>
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 7:13 PM
>To: Low-Key Hillclimbs <lkhc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [lkhc] Hammered for MegaMonster
>
>I just got some boxes from Hammer full of gel, flasks, Hammer Heed, and
Endurolyte samples.  Fantastic!
>
>What I want to know is whether I should also get some of their "liquid food":
>Perpetuum:
>http://www.hammernutrition.com/products/perpetuem.pp.html?navcat=fuels-energy-d\
rinks
>
>or Sustained Energy:
>http://www.hammernutrition.com/products/sustained-energy.se.html?navcat=fuels-e\
nergy-drinks
>
>I personally find this stuff works fantastic on double centuries.  Indeed, my
best finish ever in a double was one where I ate hardly anything, relying almost
completely on Sustained Energy for my calories.  The stuff really does work.
>
>But it is a pain to mix, and folks might prefer "real food" for the
MegaMonster, or to run off only gel.
>
>If anyone wants the Perpetuum or Sustained energy, let me know.  I'm sure Kevin
will have plenty of bananas, so we may be good with the Hammer we have now.
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I find gels and "ultra food" to be really helpful on long rides.  No bulky, very
efficient.  They really make a difference what ever your category is.

Nice work Dan.

On Jan 29, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Daniel Connelly wrote:

>
> Thanks!
>
> So I'll get some Perpetuum, then.
>
> The top guys at Devil Mountain Double and Terrible Two typically run on
nothing more than gel.  So for 100 miles, certainly "ultra" food isn't
necessary.  But for those who aren't in a position to set course records, the
stuff can be useful.  So I'll guess at least a few people will want to use it.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> Which of Hammer's powders we ride on won't be the difference between success
or failure, they are all effective riding fuel at a century or shorter distance.
How much we train and prepare will be the real difference.
> 'Nannas are great grab and go food, and come with their own biodegradable
wrapper.
>      One consideration for rest stops is that this is a race, so people will
be trying to do as much of a quick splash and go as possible.  My target is to
stop for five minutes at the turnaround, chug a bottle of water, refill two
bottles with Hammer gel+whatever powder our sponsor provides, one bottle of
water, and get pedaling again.
> ymmv,
> Barry
> ,___
>
>
>

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Hey All --  a few of us Plus 3 folks will be riding the Mega Monster and we'll
bring extra Garmin 305's to loan out for Low Keyers'

If you want to reserve one, send a note to me, Joe@...

Last round we had almost 200 LK rides get logged on our site, and each one makes
money form Charity.  Free to you thanks to our corporate sponsors.

Here is a link of last season's LKHC tagged rides:
http://www.plus3network.com/search/activities?query=lkhc

Joe, Plus 3 co-founder and Low Key Rider
http://www.plus3network.com/guest/profile/1

www.plus3network.com

Hi Dan,

Those of us used to doing longer events are pretty much self-contained
and that means in my case premixed little flasks of concentrated
Perpetuem. That being said, having all the things Hammer has already
supplied you as well as Perpetuem available at the 3 stops means that
we can travel lighter without all our pockets stuffed to the gills!
The Caffe´Latté flavor Perpetuem is awesome.

I also disagree somewhat with Barry on the stomach thing. Although I
have used Perp and not Sustained Energy, the Hammer forums are full of
people who do well on SE who may have had stomach issues with Perp.
Perp has more (good) fat in it than SE which sometimes plays havoc
with certain individuals, though not me or my usual riding buddies.
Hammer's literature also states that any ride longer than 2 hours is a
ride for Perp or SE with Heed or Hammer Gel mixed in only for variety,
but not as a primary fuel source. These longer rides do demand at
least some protein replenishment in the right ratios to carbs, if not
also fats. Heed and Hammer Gel are therefore not recommended as the
sole source of fuel for these rides.

Summary: get the Perpetuem if it is in the budget, but no worries if
you can't. 2 2-hour flasks of pre-mixed Perpetuem plus a flask of gel
should be enough to fuel this century. All that will fit in one jersey
pocket.

Bob

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:36:37AM -0800, S.V. Vasudevan wrote:
> On my rides, I go with Perpeteum in one bottle, and HEED in the other. I'm
> wondering, are the electrolytes in Perpeteum sufficient enough that I could
> go with plain water in the other bottle and punt on HEED? This question is
> posited for 4-6 hour rides with a fair chunk of climbing in there.

That really depends on the individual and on the weather.
People's electrolyte needs vary quite a bit.

Although they have some electrolytes, HEED, Perpeteum, Sustained
Energy, and other sports drinks are mostly for calories.
If you lose one bottle of sports drink you will need to obtain those
calories some other way, or drink the Perpeteum twice as fast.

For a 5+ hour ride I need anywhere from a couple Endurolytes
(which have very little salt in them) to a fistful plus
a couple salt tablets (~250mg of sodium vs 40mg) if it's hot,
in addition to what's in a couple bottles of HEED and some Clif bars.
(2 scoops of HEED has the same sodium as 2 Endurolytes).

Other people don't need any extra salt (which is pretty much
the only electrolyte that matters here) besides what's in their food
and already stored in their bodies.

If you finish long hot rides with more salt caked on your face
and clothes than your riding partners have, you're probably a "salty sweater"
and may need more salt than they do.  I suffered from hyponatremia
on long hot rides until I figured out that I need to supplement.


Eric

Nutrition is an individual thing.  Folks are different on what they like and can
handle.  The MegaMonster is interesting but probably not long enough to cause
any problems.

Personally I don't use Hammer products when I am doing something like the 508. 
I have been on crews where the rider uses Heed and Perpeteum and has to have it
made in specific concentrations. He also had to have Red Bull at certain times. 
I never got that one.  Everyone has a different routine.  The challenge is to
figure out what works for you and to know it before an event.  Also be aware
that tastes change over time and what works well at one point maybe completely
unplatable by the end of the event.

--- In lkhc@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...> wrote:
>
> I find if Perpeteum or Sustained Energy isn't made strong, it's unpalatable,
sort of like dilute milk.  So it's really not a hydration drink.
>
> I ordered some for the ride, so we'll have that. I also got extra gel.  Hard
to have too much gel.  Focus on uncaffeinated flavors, although I got some Mocha
Perpeteum  which is 10 mg/2 scoops: not too much caffeine.
>
> All of he gel is in jugs: I don't like the packages due to the litter problem.
As I noted, we'll have flasks, but folks may want to bring their own as well
just in case.
>
> Dan
>
>
> >
> >From: S.V. Vasudevan <swamiv@...>
> >To: lkhc@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 2:46:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: [lkhc] Hammered for MegaMonster
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >Perpeteum is an interesting product in that it suggests that you can create
multi-hour bottles by putting the appropriate number of scoops in the bottle. So
for a nominally-weighted rider, it's 1 scoop/hr. So to make a 5 hour bottle
you'd use 5 scoops, etc. They even say you can more heavily concentrate it and
make your own gel paste out of it.
> >
> >
> >The advice from the others on hydration is great, thanks. I think on my next
big ride I will try perpeteum in one bottle and straight-up H20 in the other.
> >
> >
> >\Vasu_,___
>

My advice to anyone who has not used anything Dan is supplying at the
MegaMonster is to NOT try it for the first time in an event that
matters to you. No matter how good the product, if it doesn't agree
with you or you use it incorrectly (as someone mentioned, everyone is
different), the outcome will not be pretty. Haven't used it before?
Don't use it on the 13th.

After an impressive 22nd overall in the Low-Key series this year, Martin Hyland
takes the W in the 45+ cat 5 Early Bird crit today!

https://www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?permit=2010-116

Barry Burr finished a solid 18th in the same race.  Martin Hampton was also in
there for the finish.

In other races, Daniel Farinha (another Low-Keyer @ Hamilton 2008-2009) was 5th
as part of a dominant SJBC junior squad, then stepped up to race with the big
boys and was 3rd in the 1-2-3 race, won by Daniel Holloway of Bissel.

Normally Low-Keyers show their stuff at San Bruno, not Fremont....  Nice job!

Dan

Funny -- I've always generally ignored this advice, consistent with my generally
reckless nature.  I tried Sustained Energy the first time @ the Tour of Two
Forests in.... err... 2000 and did my best double ever.

But it is good advice, anyway.  Especially the part about "read the directions".
Mixing stuff at the wrong consistency is generally what causes the most trouble.
For example, gel diluted 1:1 with Hâ‚‚O without additional liquid is a precision
prescription for stomach cramps, as I experienced in a recent Coastal Trail Runs
event @ Huddart Park.  (There's a Pacific Coast Trail Run there next weekend
where I get to make up for my error).   Same for washing down that gel with a
glucose or sucrose or fructose solution.  Bad idea.

Hammer has an enormous quantity of information available on their web pages. 
None of it, BTW, supporting these practices.


----- Original Message ----
> From: Bob Corman <bobcorman@...>
> To: lkhc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 5:49:56 PM
> Subject: [lkhc] Re:Hammering down Perpetuem
>
> My advice to anyone who has not used anything Dan is supplying at the
> MegaMonster is to NOT try it for the first time in an event that
> matters to you. No matter how good the product, if it doesn't agree
> with you or you use it incorrectly (as someone mentioned, everyone is
> different), the outcome will not be pretty. Haven't used it before?
> Don't use it on the 13th.
> om/info/terms/

For the http://megamonster.lowkeyhillclimbs.com/2010/ we're looking for 2 more
volunteers.  If interested, let me know.  It's easy, fun, and for a good cause.

-Kev
Vteer, Co-Founder, Low-Key

Denin,
That's great!  Thanks for setting this up and thanks for finding DJ.

-Kev

--- In lkhc@yahoogroups.com, Denin Sahovic <denin.sahovic@...> wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> A good friend of mine, also a ham-radio operator Djani Drocic - DJ, would be
able to help. I think he can operate one radio while doing the Rover job -
similar to what Bill did last year.
>
> We talked about it and the best it can be done is to setup one radio at 30
mile point, one at the rover, and one more this time - at the 50 mile point. The
terrain is not favorable to cover all the terrain, and to cover the whole course
would require more hams (or some of the LKHC folks would have to pass the test -
no morse code required). Anyway, we should be ok, to have 3 points covered,
again w/o start/finish.
>
> Denin
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: winterkm <kmwinterfield@...>
> To: lkhc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 9:31:43 PM
> Subject: [lkhc] Mega-Monster News:  We need 2 more volunteers for Feb 13.
>
>
> For the http://megamonster. lowkeyhillclimbs .com/2010/ we're looking for 2
more volunteers.  If interested, let me know.  It's easy, fun, and for a good
cause.
>
> -Kev
> Vteer, Co-Founder, Low-Key
>

For the http://megamonster.lowkeyhillclimbs.com/2010/ we're looking for 1 more
volunteer. If interested, let me know. It's easy, fun, and for a good cause.

-Kev
Vteer, Co-Founder, Low-Key

So far, scattered showers, not too cold:

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USCA0824

Carola's  been nice enough to not send these notes to the Low-Key list because
of the conflict with the MegaMonster ( http://megamonster.lowkeyhillclimbs.com/
), but Low-Key loves the Beat the Clock series, so folks not wanting to ride 100
km or 100 miles on 13 Feb may well want to snatch up one of these final spots in
the BTC ride that day.

http://www.scaledup.com/beattheclock/


>
>----- Forwarded Message ----
>From: Carola F. Berger <carola.f.berger@...>
>To: Alto Velo <altovelo@yahoogroups.com>; NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 5:56:12 AM
>Subject: [NCNCA] Beat the Clock February 13 -- only 11 spots left
>
>  >
>>
>
>This is just a heads up that there are only 11 spots left till we reach
>>the 100 rider limit which is firm due to insurance, logistics and safety
>>reasons.
>>(And I promise, this is the last email re next week's BtC.)
>
>>Thank you,
>
>>--
>>Carola F. Berger

Thanks, Dan,

I indeed didn't want to step on any low key toes ;-)

Carola F. Berger
http://www.cfberger.net

On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:36, Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...> wrote:

> Carola's  been nice enough to not send these notes to the Low-Key
> list because of the conflict with the MegaMonster (
http://megamonster.lowkeyhillclimbs.com/
>  ), but Low-Key loves the Beat the Clock series, so folks not
> wanting to ride 100 km or 100 miles on 13 Feb may well want to
> snatch up one of these final spots in the BTC ride that day.
>
> http://www.scaledup.com/beattheclock/
>
>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>> From: Carola F. Berger <carola.f.berger@...>
>> To: Alto Velo <altovelo@yahoogroups.com>; NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 5:56:12 AM
>> Subject: [NCNCA] Beat the Clock February 13 -- only 11 spots left
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is just a heads up that there are only 11 spots left till we
>> reach
>>> the 100 rider limit which is firm due to insurance, logistics and
>>> safety
>>> reasons.
>>> (And I promise, this is the last email re next week's BtC.)
>>
>>> Thank you,
>>
>>> --
>>> Carola F. Berger
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thanks to Barry for arranging a special "Low-Key" discount at the Best Western
in Hollister for February 12th:

http://www.bestwesternhollister.com/

When calling for registration, we need to ask for the "Megamonster Bicycle Race"
discount.

More info and Google maps link at the MegaMonsterEnduro web page:
http://megamonster.lowkeyhillclimbs.com/2010/

Currently the weather forecast is for a possible storm moving in, but timing at
this early point is uncertain.  So keep fingers crossed.