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#1833 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Tue Jun 2, 2009 10:04 pm
Subject: try this on your next hillclimb
marficbarry
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#1834 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Sun Jun 7, 2009 12:19 pm
Subject: Needed for Pescadero Road Race, mapping lattitude and longitude coordinates to a map without having an internet connection
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Calling all techy geekies on these lists.

For the Pescadero Road Race, we're going to be getting GPS coordinates from around the course, and need to be able to translate this to an actual street location on a map.  This needs to be done with a minimum of setup time.  The catch is that this needs to be done on a local standalone platform without having an internet connection.  Preferably with freeware or open source.

Any recommendations please?

--
Barry Burr
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(650) 968-1228
"You're such an unworldly dreamer that it would be perfectly easy to frame you again, if that's what you want to call it, you fool.  But if you'll just tell me the truth I might let you go."    The Hacker and The Ants... Rudy Rucker


#1835 From: "Menestrina, Leo" <leo.menestrina@...>
Date: Mon Jun 8, 2009 3:31 pm
Subject: RE: Needed for Pescadero Road Race, mapping lattitude and longitude coordinates to a map without having an internet connection
lmenest
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Barry,

 

I have a Garmin 305 cycle computer that tracks my training.  I can, then, upload the data into Garmin connect and the track is married to Google Maps.

 

Leo

 


From: lkhc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lkhc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bbarry
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:19 AM
To: AltoVelo; SF2G; lkhc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lkhc] Needed for Pescadero Road Race, mapping lattitude and longitude coordinates to a map without having an internet connection

 




Calling all techy geekies on these lists.

For the Pescadero Road Race, we're going to be getting GPS coordinates from around the course, and need to be able to translate this to an actual street location on a map.  This needs to be done with a minimum of setup time.  The catch is that this needs to be done on a local standalone platform without having an internet connection.  Preferably with freeware or open source.

Any recommendations please?

--
Barry Burr
jkkerouac@gmail.com
(650) 968-1228
"You're such an unworldly dreamer that it would be perfectly easy to frame you again, if that's what you want to call it, you fool.  But if you'll just tell me the truth I might let you go."    The Hacker and The Ants... Rudy Rucker


#1836 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Mon Jun 8, 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: Needed for Pescadero Road Race, mapping lattitude and longitude coordinates to a map without having an internet connection
marficbarry
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Hi Leo,
     Al Williams has a setup between a Garmin and a laptop that does what John Pliska needs.  We're looking to be able to take a lat and log location and immediately map it on a standalone machine.
seeya at the meeting tonight,
Barry

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Menestrina, Leo <leo.menestrina@...> wrote:


Barry,

 

I have a Garmin 305 cycle computer that tracks my training.  I can, then, upload the data into Garmin connect and the track is married to Google Maps.

 

Leo

 


From: lkhc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lkhc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bbarry
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:19 AM
To: AltoVelo; SF2G; lkhc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lkhc] Needed for Pescadero Road Race, mapping lattitude and longitude coordinates to a map without having an internet connection

 




Calling all techy geekies on these lists.

For the Pescadero Road Race, we're going to be getting GPS coordinates from around the course, and need to be able to translate this to an actual street location on a map.  This needs to be done with a minimum of setup time.  The catch is that this needs to be done on a local standalone platform without having an internet connection.  Preferably with freeware or open source.

Any recommendations please?

--
Barry Burr
jkkerouac@...
(650) 968-1228
"You're such an unworldly dreamer that it would be perfectly easy to frame you again, if that's what you want to call it, you fool.  But if you'll just tell me the truth I might let you go."    The Hacker and The Ants... Rudy Rucker

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#1837 From: "Kevin Winterfield" <kmwinterfield@...>
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:23 am
Subject: Are you wanting some hills to climb? missing the low-keys? try this series...
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Hill-Climbing Series Tests Racers' Lungs and Willpower
(NYTimes.com)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/sports/cycling/14cycling.html?ref=sports

#1838 From: Carl Nielson <macedoranch@...>
Date: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:16 am
Subject: (No subject)
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Vande Velde and his team passed on Cherry Pie. Instead, he sampled LKHC's Week 4 climb of 2007.
 
Carl

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#1839 From: "kgallardo@..." <kgallardo@...>
Date: Fri Mar 6, 2009 3:59 pm
Subject: Fw: [sjbc] Fw: [teamOakland] Stolen Bike Alert!
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FYI Stolen Bike alert!   Thanks for helping.  Regards,

Derrick


-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Richie Rich
Sent: Mar 6, 2009 1:41 AM
To: Derrick Hemingway
Subject: Fw: [teamOakland] Stolen Bike Alert!

Derrick,
Can you pass this around to SJBC.  It's my teammate
 
Have a great day,


Richie Rich


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: James Good <goodjliii@...>
To: Team Oakland <teamoaklandcycling@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 7:27:20 PM
Subject: [teamOakland] Stolen Bike Alert!

Today, someone #%^*(#$ stole my 2008 60 cm Cannondale Synapse SL3 out of the back of my car parked at my office building in Pleasant Hill.  I'll probably never see it again, but if anyone has ties to bike shop networks that they can alert on the off chance some methhead tries to walk in and sell it, I'd be mighty grateful. 
 
Other details:
 
Color - all black
Ergomo power meter
D/A compact cranks and derailleurs; ultegra brakes
 
Thanks,
 
Jim


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#1840 From: Lucia Mokres <oxidativelystressed@...>
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:21 am
Subject: Re: (unknown) [1 Attachment]
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Nice :)

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Carl Nielson <macedoranch@...> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Carl Nielson included below]

Vande Velde and his team passed on Cherry Pie. Instead, he sampled LKHC's Week 4 climb of 2007.
 
Carl



#1841 From: "mammoth7676" <gary.griffin@...>
Date: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:20 pm
Subject: Road Closure in Santa Cruz County
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Just in case anyone has been planning a ride that includes Hwy 236 in Santa Cruz
County, it is scheduled for closure to fix a slide that happened last winter. 
The closure will be between Boulder Creek and Jamison Creek Rd; will be enforced
from dawn to dusk Monday through Saturday; will start Monday, 6/22; and will
last for three to four weeks.  There is a bypass, Acorn Rd., but Caltrans will
have it closed to cars because it is extremely narrow; at this point it is
unclear if Acorn will be open to bicycles but I will find out next week and post
a follow up.  Hwy 236 will be open from the northern junction with Hwy 9 to
Jamison Creek, but expect more than usual traffic on it, Jamison, and Alba Rd
since those are the detour routes.

Gary Griffin

#1842 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:43 pm
Subject: <FS> or trade, new Cork for carbon and Black rubber for alloy Swisstop brake pads
marficbarry
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<FS> or trade, one set of brake pads each of Swisstop cork for carbon, and black rubber for alloy.
These came with new brakes, will trade for a set of new yellow Swisstop Yellow pads, or $50. cash for both.

--
Barry Burr
jkkerouac@...
(650) 968-1228

#1843 From: Alison Chaiken <alchaiken@...>
Date: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:47 am
Subject: San Francisco's Steepest Hills Ride returns on July 11
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What: San Francisco's Steepest Hills,  about 24 mi and 2300'
When: Sat, 11 Jul 2009  9:45 AM
Where: 4th & King Caltrain station. South Bay riders can take Caltrain
423, which leaves S.J. at 8 AM.
Why: if you need to ask, you won't enjoy the event
Who: the event is listed on the Almaden Cycle Touring Club calendar,
but others are encouraged to attend
Details: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/San-Francisco-s-10-Steepest-Hill-2

Plus optional bakery (Liguria in North Beach and Noe Valley Bakery)
and lunch (El Toro Taqueria in the Mission) stops!     Riders are
encouraged to join at any point on the route.       I will be posting
directions and an elevation profile soon.      I will come up with
ride-arounds for the toughest hills not sure if I can make it up a
grade > 25% myself!)  Forward this message to anyone you think might
want to participate.

Thanks much to Frank Yeean Chan, John Murphy and Low-Key Hill Climb's
own Dan Connelly and Cara Coburn for patient, detailed advice.

--
Alison Chaiken
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 http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/
A country overwhelmed by evil has more dignity than one tripped up by
fools.   -- Ian Parker in the _New Yorker_

#1844 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:11 am
Subject: origins of MTB, filmed out here, with the originators
marficbarry
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If you're winding down at home from a tiring weekend on the bike, check out this show on KQED right now, also repeating Wednesday night 11:00PM.
Early films of MTB on MT. Tam, Fairfax, Mill Valley, and elsewhere locally, early MTB races, repacks, Joe Breeze and Gary Fisher, just in the first few minutes of the program.
enjoy,
Barry

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Barry Burr
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"You're such an unworldly dreamer that it would be perfectly easy to frame you again, if that's what you want to call it, you fool.  But if you'll just tell me the truth I might let you go."
The Hacker and The Ants... Rudy Rucker


#1845 From: Janet Martinez <jmartbikerchick@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:33 pm
Subject: Klunkerz
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I saw this documentary.  It was quite interesting and entertaining.  There was also a 1 hour radio program with these guys on KQED forum this past week - Wednesday I think.  If you missed it, you can listen to to it at the site or download a podcast. 
 
Janet


#1846 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:52 am
Subject: Re: Klunkerz
marficbarry
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I can only imagine if all we had for the hills were bikes like my '46 Schwinn with springer front forks, groaning New Departure coaster brakes, and more fun than any new dual suspension MTB can give.
Thx for the tip on the podcast,
Barry

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Janet Martinez <jmartbikerchick@...> wrote:

I saw this documentary.  It was quite interesting and entertaining.  There was also a 1 hour radio program with these guys on KQED forum this past week - Wednesday I think.  If you missed it, you can listen to to it at the site or download a podcast. 
 
Janet


#1847 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: MTB show Klunkerz
marficbarry
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     As I recall my Dad telling me when he first retrieved his '46 Schwinn from my Grandma in Brooklyn's basement, about how sixty years ago he would ride his thirteenth birthday and Bar Mitzvah present that cost $25. new in 1946 with the special order hand pinstriped tri color we just won WWII militaryish green/red/white paint job from Brighton Beach out along the lower Brooklyn coastline and back, I wish I remembered more of what he described beside that what was tranquil and not always so flat to ride on the weekends and after school wasn't the landfilled sprawl that is there now.
     My Dad definitely did ride that bike a lot.  I still have the original 52 tooth big ring with heavily italicized u shaped wear, and original front spring that's more sagged and fatigued than most could imagine a teenager in the forties putting on a bike.  One time after we had it home, he took a ride out and back on some local streets with me.  The town in north Jersey where I grew up was very hilly, some a bit steep, just nothing all that long.  Sure enough he zipped down the downhill our driveway exited onto and out far end of the street we lived on, then though somewhat overweight and not relaly in shape, cranking and hammering all his considerable strength up the hill, maybe a 7% grade on a 46 pound 52x21 geared bike, back to the house.
     It was on those four cross laced 36 spoke wheels that my Dad taught me how to true a wheel too, sometime back in about fifth grade.  Also about that oil hole on the New Departure coaster brake hub.  After moving out here and riding the bike as an adult, I first learned to carry a dropper bottle of oil with me when riding the bike.  First time down the back of Mt. Eden Road I heard the snarling yowl with smoky smelly scent coming from the rear wheel.  A few drops of heavy gear oil would cool it down and get the braking back, til next time at least.
     Somewhere in a box I have the front axle that broke on me, same way as one of the descriptions in the program describes, because it just wasn't strong enough to handle the loads of adults heaving ho side to side on the bars with springer kasqueenking sqwunk in rhythmic antique soundtrack as no modern bike could compose.
      After getting another axle, then a wheel bearing spider collapsed.  Solution was a Phil Wood 36 hole track hub laced onto a Mavic downhill rim.  Interestingly, the bends on the modern disc brake only Mavic rin nearly exactly match those that Schwinn has been using for eighty years.
     Dad's strong Brooklyn upbringing wouldn't approve, if he were still around, how tolerant I am of some of the crap I remain pacifist about in the cycling community, but he sure would approve of me taking his big old Schwinn where only bikes with gears are supposed to be able to go.
     Dad passed on from an incurable at the time from of brain tumors twenty years ago.  The yellow bracelet on the seatpost of his bike is one I get when meeting Lance Armstrong at the final San Francisco Grand Prix.
     I and Dad's bike will be out there at the Livestrong Challenge in a couple of weeks riding in his memory, and I won't just be riding the flat route, because as the tv programs shows, these bikes were born to ride like no other bikes ever made before or since can.

Anyone have their own growing up bike stories?

Barry

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Tom Romano <tromano2010@...> wrote:
Hmm.. Quiet on the whole subject.  I watched the show and it reminded me of being in high school, we used to hitch hike up highway 9 with cruisers and ride down Charcoal Road (just past the fire station on Skyline) and drop into Stevens Creek, then push back up the hill separating the reservoir from Fremont Older (before it was a park)  then ride down the tracks back....  I used to use High Temp Disc Brake grease and repack my Bendix rear coaster brake with it.  It never coasted with that grease in it, but it would only moderately smoke all the grease out...  no helmets, just gloves, levis and hiking boots...  This was a daily after school activity.  Weekends were spent at Halls Ranch (now called Hollister Hills State ORV Area) riding motocross bikes...


Barry Burr
jkkerouac@...
(650) 968-1228

"Be ready to question yourself as well as others. It is essential if you are to enjoy the privilege of doubt. If you leave no room for doubt you will have no room to grow.
KINGMAN BREWSTER, 1975"

#1848 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:52 am
Subject: Re: [AltoVelo] Re: MTB show Klunkerz
marficbarry
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     Grew up in Wayne in a section called Mountain View, so when I drove from my Mom's to move to CA, I went from Mountain View  to Mountain View.
     Riding hills was the only way to get to friend's houses after school.  My bike became the natural and normal way to get around, and still is.  Too bad most kids aren't brought up to think that way about local transportation now.  My school and paper route was down to the valley, and back up again, half a mile and 200+ feet of vertical each way.  Then to soccer practice or wherever else in town wherever the friend I was going to see after school lived.  I had my generator light on the front wheel, no helmets or taillights yet at the time.  The Valley was 4 to 500 feet of vertical on each side, over about two to three miles distance, so climbing was part of anywhere I went, it was normal, and if I was on my bike, my parent's were ok with whatever I was doing.  The big drop was a hill called French hill Road where I topped 50mph for the first time on a bike, indicated by my Schwinn approved axle mounted cable drive speedometer on the bright yellow Schwinn Continental I bought with paper route savings.   Who needed pot when I was out with my friends getting high on endorphins?
Barry



On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John or Linda Elgart <elgart4@...> wrote:
Barry,

That was beautiful!

Linda

PS Just wondering-what town was that in NJ?


On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:50 PM, bbarry wrote:



     As I recall my Dad telling me when he first retrieved his '46 Schwinn from my Grandma in Brooklyn's basement, about how sixty years ago he would ride his thirteenth birthday and Bar Mitzvah present that cost $25. new in 1946 with the special order hand pinstriped tri color we just won WWII militaryish green/red/white paint job from Brighton Beach out along the lower Brooklyn coastline and back, I wish I remembered more of what he described beside that what was tranquil and not always so flat to ride on the weekends and after school wasn't the landfilled sprawl that is there now.
     My Dad definitely did ride that bike a lot.  I still have the original 52 tooth big ring with heavily italicized u shaped wear, and original front spring that's more sagged and fatigued than most could imagine a teenager in the forties putting on a bike.  One time after we had it home, he took a ride out and back on some local streets with me.  The town in north Jersey where I grew up was very hilly, some a bit steep, just nothing all that long.  Sure enough he zipped down the downhill our driveway exited onto and out far end of the street we lived on, then though somewhat overweight and not relaly in shape, cranking and hammering all his considerable strength up the hill, maybe a 7% grade on a 46 pound 52x21 geared bike, back to the house.
     It was on those four cross laced 36 spoke wheels that my Dad taught me how to true a wheel too, sometime back in about fifth grade.  Also about that oil hole on the New Departure coaster brake hub.  After moving out here and riding the bike as an adult, I first learned to carry a dropper bottle of oil with me when riding the bike.  First time down the back of Mt. Eden Road I heard the snarling yowl with smoky smelly scent coming from the rear wheel.  A few drops of heavy gear oil would cool it down and get the braking back, til next time at least.
     Somewhere in a box I have the front axle that broke on me, same way as one of the descriptions in the program describes, because it just wasn't strong enough to handle the loads of adults heaving ho side to side on the bars with springer kasqueenking sqwunk in rhythmic antique soundtrack as no modern bike could compose.
      After getting another axle, then a wheel bearing spider collapsed.  Solution was a Phil Wood 36 hole track hub laced onto a Mavic downhill rim.  Interestingly, the bends on the modern disc brake only Mavic rin nearly exactly match those that Schwinn has been using for eighty years.
     Dad's strong Brooklyn upbringing wouldn't approve, if he were still around, how tolerant I am of some of the crap I remain pacifist about in the cycling community, but he sure would approve of me taking his big old Schwinn where only bikes with gears are supposed to be able to go.
     Dad passed on from an incurable at the time from of brain tumors twenty years ago.  The yellow bracelet on the seatpost of his bike is one I get when meeting Lance Armstrong at the final San Francisco Grand Prix.
     I and Dad's bike will be out there at the Livestrong Challenge in a couple of weeks riding in his memory, and I won't just be riding the flat route, because as the tv programs shows, these bikes were born to ride like no other bikes ever made before or since can.

Anyone have their own growing up bike stories?

Barry



#1849 From: "Anne" <amfindlay@...>
Date: Wed Jul 1, 2009 6:18 pm
Subject: Levi Leipheimer's Gran Fondo
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The 105 distance is apparently almost full... (It's limited to 500 riders.)
http://www.levisgranfondo.com/

It sounds like there will be a prime on one of the hills, using chip timing.

Cheers,
Anne

More from the website FAQ:

Q. Who is this ride for?
A. It is for EVERYBODY.
For professional cyclists, this is an opportunity to stretch your legs in an event that fosters competition in a relaxed environment. Timed course? Check. Mid-course premiums? Check. Peloton dynamics? Check. The pressure of a hundred television cameras, roaring crowds, and a director sportif yelling in your ear? No, not really.

Let this represent a return to your love of cycling: epic landscapes, grueling terrain, and rich camaraderie with your peers. Take some time out from your race schedule to experience the best professional cycling has to offer to the best professional cyclists.

For recreational cyclists, this is your chance to ride with some giants along a route long celebrated for its intensity and beauty. While the way is long and steep, there is fixed and roving support, including repairs, food, and water. If you've long wanted to roll along the elegant coastal hills of Sonoma County, you won't get a better chance than this. This is an athletic and personal achievement you'll be proud to tell your kids or your dog about.

#1850 From: Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...>
Date: Wed Jul 1, 2009 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: Levi Leipheimer's Gran Fondo
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Same day as Montebello.

http://www.lowkeyhillclimbs.com/2009/

Dan

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To: lkhc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 11:18:32 AM
Subject: [lkhc] Levi Leipheimer's Gran Fondo



The 105 distance is apparently almost full... (It's limited to 500 riders.)
http://www.levisgranfondo.com/

It sounds like there will be a prime on one of the hills, using chip timing.

Cheers,
Anne

#1851 From: Alison Chaiken <alchaiken@...>
Date: Thu Jul 2, 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: San Francisco's Steepest Hills Ride pre-ride tomorrow, July 3
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Tomorrow I'm planning to go pre-ride the SF Steepest Hills Ride I
announced for July 11.    The purpose is just to make certain that the
route and directions are sensible.     I'll check the bakeries as
well!    If anyone would like to join up, please contact me off-list.

--
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)
     http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/
A country overwhelmed by evil has more dignity than one tripped up by
fools.   -- Ian Parker in the _New Yorker_

#1852 From: Alison Chaiken <alchaiken@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 10:31 pm
Subject: San Francisco's Steepest Hills July 11 Details
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In a pallid attempt to be as geeky as Dan and Lucas, I present the following:

An overview map:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/99725460@N00/3685757572/

An elevation profile:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/99725460@N00/3685757656/

Turn-by-turn directions:
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dhmpnpb9_62c8nm6vfp&hl=en

Interactive GUI with GPX and KML export:
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/San-Francisco-s-10-Steepest-Hill-2

Original announcement:
Challenge yourself to climb nine of San Francisco's steepest hills
with regroups at each summit.  Total ascent about 2300'.  Optional
bakery and lunch stops.  Start and finish at 4th & King Caltrain
station.  South Bay riders can take Caltrain 423, which leaves S.J. at
8 AM. Route at
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/San-Francisco-s-10-Steepest-Hill-2

I *promise* that this is my last announcement about the event.

--
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)
 http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/
A country overwhelmed by evil has more dignity than one tripped up by
fools.   -- Ian Parker in the _New Yorker_

#1854 From: "Anne" <amfindlay@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:06 pm
Subject: death ride reg available
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If you want to do the Death Ride last-minute (tomorrow!), I have an available
registration for sale.  They are transferable according to ride rules. 
415-652-2445.
Cheers,
Anne

#1855 From: Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...>
Date: Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:22 am
Subject: Fremont Peak replaces Mt Tam this year
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It looks like a climb of Fremont Peak is taking the place of the Mt Tam
Hillclimb this year:
http://wordpress.ncncaracing.com/?p=1090

Fremont Peak is definitely a Low-Key worthy climb.   Nothing wrong with Tam,
either, although Tam isn't at the same level of raw difficulty without riding to
the summit.

Nice altitude data here:
http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1960317

Around 10% sustained for 3 miles.

Good stuff.

Dan

#1856 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:42 am
Subject: Re: Fremont Peak replaces Mt Tam this year
marficbarry
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     Excellent selection and well worth the drive.
Very Diabloish climb or an extended version of West Alpine with a peak about 300 feet lower than Diablo. 
There's a shallower section for a few lower wooded miles that could be included.
Good parking area and picnic ground at the top for timing and food setup.  There's a park on the lower approach rode to stage from.  Peak is at about 3000 feet, looking across from the antenna station to Monterey Bay.  Highly beautiful.

Barry

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...> wrote:

It looks like a climb of Fremont Peak is taking the place of the Mt Tam Hillclimb this year:
http://wordpress.ncncaracing.com/?p=1090

Fremont Peak is definitely a Low-Key worthy climb. Nothing wrong with Tam, either, although Tam isn't at the same level of raw difficulty without riding to the summit.

Nice altitude data here:
http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1960317

Around 10% sustained for 3 miles.

Good stuff.

Dan



#1857 From: "maxtchen1066" <maxtchen1066@...>
Date: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:38 am
Subject: report from Saturday's hill ride in SF
maxtchen1066
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Dear Gang--

Saturday's hill ride in SF, led by Allison, was well, interesting. Typical SF
summer weather, sad to say, but the sun peaked from the fog now and again.

My favorite part was the two hardest blocks of Jones St. above Columbus, between
Filbert and Union (29 percent) and then Union to Green (26 percent). Some short
sections were a bit steeper, according to Google Earth. Fortunately, I had
mounted a mountain bike cog on my old steel road bike (w/triple), so I had a
one-to-one gear ratio.

Some simple trigonometry reveals an interesting finding:

1) Assume one-to-one gearing with a wheel rollout (circumference) of 2100 mm,
very standard for 700x25mm tire. That's 6.89 feet.

2) Assume a 30 percent slope. That's an angle of 16.7 degrees, with a sin of
0.2874.

With assumptions above, every complete 360 degree rotation of the crank results
in a climb of two vertical feet. With an out-of-saddle cadence of 60 RPM, the
vertical climb rate is 120 vertical feet per minute, or 7200 vertical feet per
hour. Your speed up the grade? 4.7 mph, a comfortable jogging speed (at least if
you are jogging on the flats).

On a 30 percent slope, it feels like you are a human elevator. Forget climbing
anything steeper--it would be faster to strap your bike to your back and climb a
ladder.

BTW, for any real masochists in the group, try Dalewood Dr. on Mt. Davidson.
Google Earth reveals it is almost as steep as Jones between Filbert and Green,
but 50 percent longer. Some relatives live in the neighborhood, I discovered it
by accident. I rode it once. Ugh.

--Michael Barnes

#1858 From: "Carola F. Berger" <carola.f.berger@...>
Date: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:27 pm
Subject: Beat the Clock announcements - auction NOW, next TT August 1st
franken_berger
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Folks,

a few brief Beat the Clock and Help Beat Cancer announcements:

Our annual fabulous auction is live now (although items are still being
added as we speak, so check back for new items!):
http://www.scaledup.com/beattheclock/auction.html
and directly on ebay
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/wilmawilmazee_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ
As always, all proceeds go to the Lance Armstrong Foundation benefitting
cancer patients. So bid now or forever hold your peace! (Just don't bid
on any of the stuff I want!)

Then, the next Canada TT is approaching at lightning speed, it's on
August 1st! We need volunteers, especially some hula girls or boys,
since some of our regulars are unavailable. Bring your Hawaiian shirt
and do the dance directing riders at the turnaround point. Of course, we
accept volunteers for less strenuous positions, too.
And of course, registration is open and closes when we reach the maximum
rider limit of 100 people or on Thursday, July 30th, 6pm pacific time!!!
(If you're late, you're late!)
http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=7785

Thanks!

The Beat the Clock team

#1859 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:50 pm
Subject: Fwd: [AltoVelo] Fw: MAZDA RACEWAY MONTHLY TWILIGHT RIDES
marficbarry
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A climber's and descender's and hammerhead's and traffic free lover's and family bike outing lover's delight all in one.
Barry

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From:
Date: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Subject: [AltoVelo] Fw: MAZDA RACEWAY MONTHLY TWILIGHT RIDES

Fyi...this Wednesday! And there is a good likelihood that they are going to run the 2.2 mile circuit "backwards"....this is a first ever (except that I have done it solo several times...and I can attest to it being as much or more fun as the proper counter clock wise direction)

So come do laps on the big track, and then race on the shorter crit course.

Read on...
Robert Orcutt


From: "Jennifer Capasso"
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:41:17 -0700
To: <pr@...>
Subject: MAZDA RACEWAY MONTHLY TWILIGHT RIDES

 

MAZDA RACEWAY MONTHLY TWILIGHT RIDES

Next Bicycle Ride Hosted by Ghost Tree Racing

 MONTEREY, Calif., (July 20, 2009) –  Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca’s open track twilight cycling program started this past spring and the 2.238 mile circuit is now open monthly to all levels of cyclists who wish to ride and train on the world famous race track. 

 

The next twilight ride will be from 5:30 – 7:30 p.m. on Wednesday, July 22.  It will be co-hosted by local cycling club Ghost Tree Racing and will include a circuit race. At 6:00 p.m. there will be a one-lap kids race and at 6:30 p.m. there will be a six-lap adult race.  It will be informal and the track will be open to recreational cyclists throughout the entire time.

 

The cost will be $10 per rider and a portion of the fee will be donated to charity. Going forward, the track will hold the monthly Twilight Bike Ride on August 19, September 16 and October 14.

 

This first open bicycle ride featured a practice race using the new Sea Otter Classic Criterium course and over 80 cyclists came out to pedal, climb, and descend the same 11 turn layout with a 300 foot elevation change that has played host to so many motor sport events in the past.

 

The twilight cycling series is the brainchild of SCRAMP and the Monterey County Parks Dept., as a program to bring the community together partaking in the fun and healthy recreation sport of cycling. 

 

Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca was established in 1957. The world-renowned raceway has been operated since its inception by the Sports Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula (SCRAMP), a not-for-profit 501C(4) corporation. Each race season, SCRAMP donates its net proceeds to the volunteer groups that help put on the races.

 

Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca’s world-class 2009 racing schedule includes the 36th Rolex Monterey Historic Automobile Races August 14-16 and the Monterey Sports Car Championships featuring the American Le Mans Series October 9-11.

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Media Contact:

Jennifer Capasso

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831-242-8225


#1860 From: "Anne" <amfindlay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:03 pm
Subject: cornering/descending on TT vs. road bike
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Hi all,
I've been thinking of doing some TT's and want to improve my skills on the TT
bike.  I know this is a hill climbing group but figured a decent number of you
also have plenty of TT experience.  Are there any thoughts on how cornering and
descending are handled differently on a TT bike (no drops) vs road?  Do all the
same principles generally apply?

Any advice is welcome...
Cheers,
Anne

#1861 From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: cornering/descending on TT vs. road bike
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     On a tt bike, the frame is flexier than a road bike, the frame geometry is not conducive to cornering, and since one design characteristic of a tt bike is to have considerable straight line stability, the fork has much less rake/ typically 40mm vs 43 or 45 for most road bikes/  causing the steering to be much less reactive to inputs.  This all combines to make the bike much more unstable in the sideways direction.
      An example of this is one time last year while descending highway 9 in the last mile or so before Saratoga on my tt bike, on a tucked in hard leaning smaller radius right hander, the apex marked by a tree just on the inside edge of the pavement, the rear tire jumped up and side stepped a couple of inches at a slight compression dip and rise in the pavement.  Then the bike continued down the hill as if it hadn't happened.  On the road bike, I've taken the same line and apex at similar speeds many times without the bike flinching.
     To me, it was over too quickly to have a chance to try to correct.  Freaked out the people behind me.  This was on tubulars with rigid dished wheels, too.  The tread showed a sideways scrub where it landed but the tubular didn't roll and the wheel stayed true.  On flexier alloy street wheels with clinchers, the wheel or tire might not have held.
     Descending on a tt bike does require the same principle applied, even moreso, and in some ways, even exaggerated from what you would do on a road bike.  Get your weight as rearward as possible by sitting far back on the saddle, crotch barely straddling the seat.  Torso horizontally down to down top tube as much as you can.

     Ultimately one should stay well within their comfort margins.  If a general guideline for a road bike is not to exceed 2/3 of what you're sure you can do, then on the tt bike stay within 1/2 at first, since that last safety margin if you get in over your head can go away even quicker than what can happen on a road bike, as the experience I described shows.

     Also, a proper fitting on the tt bike is at least as important as on a road bike.  Some people, myself included, initially tilt down the nose of their saddle, mistakenly feeling that is comfortable and fast, while that is actually a sign that other parts of the fit are incorrect.  If you're looking for a good saddle, the Fizik snubnose tt saddle stays comfortable when you're tucked in staying aero, while still keeping the bike complying with the rules.
hth,
Barry

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Anne <amfindlay@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I've been thinking of doing some TT's and want to improve my skills on the TT bike. I know this is a hill climbing group but figured a decent number of you also have plenty of TT experience. Are there any thoughts on how cornering and descending are handled differently on a TT bike (no drops) vs road? Do all the same principles generally apply?

Any advice is welcome...
Cheers,
Anne

--
Barry Burr
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(650) 968-1228
"Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too"...    Voltaire's Essay on Tolerance.

#1862 From: Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...>
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: cornering/descending on TT vs. road bike
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>
>From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
>To: lkhc@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:10:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [lkhc] cornering/descending on TT vs. road bike
> If you're looking for a good saddle, the Fizik snubnose tt saddle stays
comfortable when you're tucked in staying aero, while still keeping the bike
complying with the rules.

I liked Barry's comments on the handling.  Interesting.

But a comment here: the UCI saddle setback rules apply only to UCI races and to
national championships.  So for Ann, it might be an issue, but for most of us
they're not relevant.

Contador's snub-nose: a Becker/Tune:
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/download/file.php?id=32386&mode=view

Even then, there's a "morphological exemption" which allows a more forward
position, as long as the front of the knee is behind the pedal axle when the
pedal is front-center.  Note most fit guidelines would have the saddle somewhat
ahead of this point (for example, plumb line to the end of the crank arm, not
the pedal spindle, or behind the knee cap to the pedal axle, not the tip of the
knee cap) so this "excemption" is still a bit harsh:


1.3.013 The peak of the saddle shall be a minimum of 5 cm to the rear of a
vertical plane passing through
the bottom bracket spindle (1). This restriction shall not be applied to the
bicycle ridden by a rider in
a track sprint event, keirin, 500 metres or 1 kilometre time trials; however, in
no circumstances
shall the peak of the saddle extend in front of a vertical line passing through
the bottom bracket
spindle.
(1) The distances mentioned in footnote (1) to articles 1.3.013 and 1.3.016
above may be reduced
where that is necessary for morphological reasons. By morphological reasons
should be understood
everything to do with the size and limb length of the rider.
Any rider who, for these reasons, considers that he needs to use a bicycle of
lesser dimensions than
those given shall inform the commissaires' panel to that effect when presenting
his licence. In that
case, the panel may conduct the following test. Using a plumb-line, they shall
check to see whether,
when pedalling, the point of the rider's knee when at its foremost position
passes beyond a vertical
line passing through the pedal spindle (see diagram «Measurements (2)»).

But in most cases, as I noted, it's not an issue.  Rule 1M of the USA Cycling
general rules is remarkably flexible.

Dan

#1863 From: Brad Ford <bradleyford@...>
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: Re: cornering/descending on TT vs. road bike
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On Jul 27, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Daniel Connelly wrote:

>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: bbarry <jkkerouac@...>
>> To: lkhc@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:10:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [lkhc] cornering/descending on TT vs. road bike
>> If you're looking for a good saddle, the Fizik snubnose tt saddle
>> stays comfortable when you're tucked in staying aero, while still
>> keeping the bike complying with the rules.
>
> I liked Barry's comments on the handling.  Interesting.
>
> But a comment here: the UCI saddle setback rules apply only to UCI
> races and to national championships.  So for Ann, it might be an
> issue, but for most of us they're not relevant.
>
> Contador's snub-nose: a Becker/Tune:
> http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/download/file.php?id=32386&mode=view
>
> Even then, there's a "morphological exemption" which allows a more
> forward position, as long as the front of the knee is behind the
> pedal axle when the pedal is front-center.  Note most fit guidelines
> would have the saddle somewhat ahead of this point (for example,
> plumb line to the end of the crank arm, not the pedal spindle, or
> behind the knee cap to the pedal axle, not the tip of the knee cap)
> so this "excemption" is still a bit harsh:
>
>
> 1.3.013 The peak of the saddle shall be a minimum of 5 cm to the
> rear of a vertical plane passing through
> the bottom bracket spindle (1). This restriction shall not be
> applied to the bicycle ridden by a rider in
> a track sprint event, keirin, 500 metres or 1 kilometre time trials;
> however, in no circumstances
> shall the peak of the saddle extend in front of a vertical line
> passing through the bottom bracket
> spindle.
> (1) The distances mentioned in footnote (1) to articles 1.3.013 and
> 1.3.016 above may be reduced
> where that is necessary for morphological reasons. By morphological
> reasons should be understood
> everything to do with the size and limb length of the rider.
> Any rider who, for these reasons, considers that he needs to use a
> bicycle of lesser dimensions than
> those given shall inform the commissaires' panel to that effect when
> presenting his licence. In that
> case, the panel may conduct the following test. Using a plumb-line,
> they shall check to see whether,
> when pedalling, the point of the rider's knee when at its foremost
> position passes beyond a vertical
> line passing through the pedal spindle (see diagram «Measurements
> (2)»).

Can't a rider simply ask for the test, and in the presence of the uci
checkers, sit further back on the saddle to pass the test, then during
actual competition, cheat forward to the tip of the saddle?

-B.

>
> But in most cases, as I noted, it's not an issue.  Rule 1M of the
> USA Cycling general rules is remarkably flexible.
>
> Dan
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