Everything went well with the knee scope yesterday.  The surgery
lasted about an hour, and we got started a half later than scheduled.
  Got home around 9:30 last night.

I slept well...minimal pain.  I had two Vicadin before leaving the
hospital and took another one around 11:00 last night.  Woke up around
2:00 to go to the bathroom and put fresh ice on the knee.  This
morning I woke up as the kids were getting ready for school.  Took 4
ibuprofin and hte pain is still nothing.  I had some cereal this
morning, but got nauseous and threw it up about a half hour later.
Guess I'll stick to soup and jello for today yet.

I didn't see the doctor after the surgery, but he did talk to Kathy.
He told her that it was a lot worse in there than he anticipated, and
if I go back to high mileage running, I'll be looking at a knee
replacement before too long.  Looks like the marathoning days are
over.  Right now I need to recover, heal, and rehab.  Once I get going
again I'l have a better read of what I might be capable of doing.  I
trust this doc...unlike the other one I saw in March who told me I was
done without even examining me.

Glad I've got my bike ready.  I'm going to have to learn to swim
better too.

Giddyup!
Pappy

Kathy,

Wanting to do an extreme 5K is pretty amazing.  Since there aren't
many females that like to do those races at least you can place well
in your age group.  It does sound like a lot of fun.  We have a race
like that here in December that maybe I'll have to try this year.

Congrats on finishing!  It sounds pretty crazy!

Andy

--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy" <kay_elle@...> wrote:
>
> Just wanted to touch base with you guys about my race last weekend.
>
> It was a wild trip and they are promising to make it "more extreme"
> next year.
>
> Although I realize I am slow, I am also beginning to realize that I
> amd even slower at climbing over downed trees, schlepping through
> ankle deep mud & wading through the river.
>
> I was 81 out of 82 runners.  I think there were about 50 walkers and
> I did manage to beat all but a couple of them.
>
> The computer was down the day of the race so I didnt get my times
> until now.
>
> 44:20 was my finish time.
>
> Mile one was 11:36 or so, I think mile 2 must have been 19 something,
> they did not give us a time for it, and mile 3 was around 11.  Mile 1
> is up a hill in town and then out of the city limits here.  Mile 2
> was in the woods.  Mile three was back down the same hill.  I ran
> most of (or more correctly climbed and waded)the 2nd mile with the
> same lady and we also ran the third mile back together.  I have to
> admit to doing lots of walking in the woods.  It has rained alot here
> and it was down alot of muddy hills and through a fairly mucky
> swamp.  I am way too old and chicken to even attempt to move fast
> under those conditions.  My main goal was to stay on my feet and have
> fun.  I think I accomplished that fairly well.
>
> Most of the people running the race were young and male.  I think
> there were only two women in my age group and two in  the one below.
> I dont think there were any in the older age groups!
>
> I did also manage to get stung by a bee & some poison Ivy.  I some
> tips on how to avoid that in the future.  I did not get any mosquito
> bites though.  I used deep woods off or something that they provided
> at the race.
>
> Kathy
>

---Hi Kathy,
That sounded like such a fun event and I'm glad you competed in it.
Congratulations on doing a great job and thanks for the fun fun
report.

Later, 5K  Run Smart (while in the middle mile, splish, splash)

  In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy" <kay_elle@...>
wrote:
>
> Just wanted to touch base with you guys about my race last weekend.
>
> It was a wild trip and they are promising to make it "more
extreme"
> next year.
>
> Although I realize I am slow, I am also beginning to realize that
I
> amd even slower at climbing over downed trees, schlepping through
> ankle deep mud & wading through the river.
>
> I was 81 out of 82 runners.  I think there were about 50 walkers
and
> I did manage to beat all but a couple of them.
>
> The computer was down the day of the race so I didnt get my times
> until now.
>
> 44:20 was my finish time.
>
> Mile one was 11:36 or so, I think mile 2 must have been 19
something,
> they did not give us a time for it, and mile 3 was around 11.
Mile 1
> is up a hill in town and then out of the city limits here.  Mile 2
> was in the woods.  Mile three was back down the same hill.  I ran
> most of (or more correctly climbed and waded)the 2nd mile with the
> same lady and we also ran the third mile back together.  I have to
> admit to doing lots of walking in the woods.  It has rained alot
here
> and it was down alot of muddy hills and through a fairly mucky
> swamp.  I am way too old and chicken to even attempt to move fast
> under those conditions.  My main goal was to stay on my feet and
have
> fun.  I think I accomplished that fairly well.
>
> Most of the people running the race were young and male.  I think
> there were only two women in my age group and two in  the one
below.
> I dont think there were any in the older age groups!
>
> I did also manage to get stung by a bee & some poison Ivy.  I some
> tips on how to avoid that in the future.  I did not get any
mosquito
> bites though.  I used deep woods off or something that they
provided
> at the race.
>
> Kathy
>

Kathy, congratulations on having the courage to do this extreme
race, and the strength to get through it. You should be proud. The
best part is that you had fun doing it. Good job!
Jonguy

--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy" <kay_elle@...>
wrote:
>
> Just wanted to touch base with you guys about my race last weekend.
>
> It was a wild trip and they are promising to make it "more
extreme"
> next year.
>
> Although I realize I am slow, I am also beginning to realize that
I
> amd even slower at climbing over downed trees, schlepping through
> ankle deep mud & wading through the river.
>
> I was 81 out of 82 runners.  I think there were about 50 walkers
and
> I did manage to beat all but a couple of them.
>
> The computer was down the day of the race so I didnt get my times
> until now.
>
> 44:20 was my finish time.
>
> Mile one was 11:36 or so, I think mile 2 must have been 19
something,
> they did not give us a time for it, and mile 3 was around 11.
Mile 1
> is up a hill in town and then out of the city limits here.  Mile 2
> was in the woods.  Mile three was back down the same hill.  I ran
> most of (or more correctly climbed and waded)the 2nd mile with the
> same lady and we also ran the third mile back together.  I have to
> admit to doing lots of walking in the woods.  It has rained alot
here
> and it was down alot of muddy hills and through a fairly mucky
> swamp.  I am way too old and chicken to even attempt to move fast
> under those conditions.  My main goal was to stay on my feet and
have
> fun.  I think I accomplished that fairly well.
>
> Most of the people running the race were young and male.  I think
> there were only two women in my age group and two in  the one
below.
> I dont think there were any in the older age groups!
>
> I did also manage to get stung by a bee & some poison Ivy.  I some
> tips on how to avoid that in the future.  I did not get any
mosquito
> bites though.  I used deep woods off or something that they
provided
> at the race.
>
> Kathy
>

Thanks for the report Kathy.  All I can say is THAT is running and racing at
it's finest.  It's a great challenge, hard workout and reminds us that the sport
is still, essentially play.  (yea, I'm one of those lunatics who thinks that
running up and down mountainsides is play)
   Also, don't worry about your low placement at all.  These kind of racers only
bring out the serious fanatics.  All those girls and guys you beat in the
neighborhood city 5K weren't there so you were in some serious company!
   I hope it was fun because it sounded fun.   Huggs Becky

Kathy <kay_elle@...> wrote:
           Just wanted to touch base with you guys about my race last weekend.

It was a wild trip and they are promising to make it "more extreme"
next year.

Although I realize I am slow, I am also beginning to realize that I
amd even slower at climbing over downed trees, schlepping through
ankle deep mud & wading through the river.

I was 81 out of 82 runners. I think there were about 50 walkers and
I did manage to beat all but a couple of them.

The computer was down the day of the race so I didnt get my times
until now.

44:20 was my finish time.

Mile one was 11:36 or so, I think mile 2 must have been 19 something,
they did not give us a time for it, and mile 3 was around 11. Mile 1
is up a hill in town and then out of the city limits here. Mile 2
was in the woods. Mile three was back down the same hill. I ran
most of (or more correctly climbed and waded)the 2nd mile with the
same lady and we also ran the third mile back together. I have to
admit to doing lots of walking in the woods. It has rained alot here
and it was down alot of muddy hills and through a fairly mucky
swamp. I am way too old and chicken to even attempt to move fast
under those conditions. My main goal was to stay on my feet and have
fun. I think I accomplished that fairly well.

Most of the people running the race were young and male. I think
there were only two women in my age group and two in the one below.
I dont think there were any in the older age groups!

I did also manage to get stung by a bee & some poison Ivy. I some
tips on how to avoid that in the future. I did not get any mosquito
bites though. I used deep woods off or something that they provided
at the race.

Kathy






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Pappy,please convey my best to Aaron,when he makes it to the
Olympics,i want an autographed photo.
Sid--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, Kara Good
<karagoodttu@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Aaron, the guy I coach who's trying to qualify for
> > the Olympic Trials
> > is now in Boulder to get his masters and to train.
> > He was thinking of
> > Houston in January for a OTQ attempt, but after
> > meeting and talking to
> > some Boulder area runners he is now leaning toward
> > P.F. Chang's in
> > Phoenix.
>
> First of all: Good luck today -- we are all pulling
> for you.  (And boy oh boy would I have some choice
> words to say to you *under my breath* if I were
> running 400's and you had your butt plopped in a
> chair! :)
>
> Second of all: I am pulling for Houston, obviously,
> but I wont hold it against him if he chooses Phoenix.
> All kidding aside, wouldnt TX have better weather?
>
> Keep looking up...
> kdg
>
>
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Leslie,thanks,will be really careful driving up to Va Beach,going to
be a great time up there with Nick and Letty.
Sid--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Ryan"
<leslieruns131@...> wrote:
>
> Jon... definitely BIG thanks to you for setting this up for us. its
gonna be
> fun....
>
> Sid:  Have fun at the half with Letty!! Be careful out there,
though!!
>
> leslie
>
>
>
>
> On 8/30/06, navywrslr <Navywrslr@...> wrote:
> >
> >    Jon,Thanks for making the reservations,really going to be
great. I am
> > keeping my mind on the LBCM and also this weekend,I will be
running the
> > Rock and Roll Half in Va Beach with Letty. May be an interesting
> > run,the tropical storm will be hitting us tomorrow and then head
up the
> > coast.
> > Sid--- In
letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com<letschataboutrunning%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Jon" <jonguy99@>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I've made reservations for 9 for 6 p.m. at the Italian Village
on
> > Saturday, Oct.
> > > 21. I had to give them my credit card number because of the
size of
> > the group,
> > > and a 17% gratuity will be included in our bill.
> > > Only 7 weeks from this Saturday!
> > > Jonguy
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Leslie
> read my blog at www.lesliearyan.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Kathy (or should we call you RunRik?),

Sounds like a great adventure.  I like that you got
out there and tried it with the young crowd...to show
them you can still git 'r done.

A bee sting and poision ivy?  Yuck!  I have never
(knocking on wood) had either so I have no tips for
you except to say, "Being like RunRik is
overrated...stick to running on the concrete." :)

Note: I did not say that being as sexy as RunRik is
overrated.  (Just wanted to make that clarification.)

Keep looking up...
kdg


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Just wanted to touch base with you guys about my race last weekend.

It was a wild trip and they are promising to make it "more extreme"
next year.

Although I realize I am slow, I am also beginning to realize that I
amd even slower at climbing over downed trees, schlepping through
ankle deep mud & wading through the river.

I was 81 out of 82 runners.  I think there were about 50 walkers and
I did manage to beat all but a couple of them.

The computer was down the day of the race so I didnt get my times
until now.

44:20 was my finish time.

Mile one was 11:36 or so, I think mile 2 must have been 19 something,
they did not give us a time for it, and mile 3 was around 11.  Mile 1
is up a hill in town and then out of the city limits here.  Mile 2
was in the woods.  Mile three was back down the same hill.  I ran
most of (or more correctly climbed and waded)the 2nd mile with the
same lady and we also ran the third mile back together.  I have to
admit to doing lots of walking in the woods.  It has rained alot here
and it was down alot of muddy hills and through a fairly mucky
swamp.  I am way too old and chicken to even attempt to move fast
under those conditions.  My main goal was to stay on my feet and have
fun.  I think I accomplished that fairly well.

Most of the people running the race were young and male.  I think
there were only two women in my age group and two in  the one below.
I dont think there were any in the older age groups!

I did also manage to get stung by a bee & some poison Ivy.  I some
tips on how to avoid that in the future.  I did not get any mosquito
bites though.  I used deep woods off or something that they provided
at the race.

Kathy

So far Hugh is only doing long runs of 12 miles.  His heels don't
hurt for 3 days, but he says that is all he is going to do unless
they get better before Chicago.  I don't notice him limping either.
He does have an appointment with his primary doctor on Sept 18th so
maybe she can get him a shot or suggest something.  I'm not sure he
has a plan though, but he is going to try to run in regardless.

I think Kelley's longest run before her marathon last year was 12
miles.

Andy

--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
<rungregg@...> wrote:
>
>
> Buddy my goal is to still run Chicago at a pace of 9... but I'll
> just have to take want the course gives me.. with no more long runs
> of more then 10 miles its going to take its toll ... I plan on
> taking walking breaks when I need too.. I've never planned one into
> a race but more then likely will this time
>
> rungregg
> git'r done
>
> PS: nice job on making all those dinner reservations

>
> Aaron, the guy I coach who's trying to qualify for
> the Olympic Trials
> is now in Boulder to get his masters and to train.
> He was thinking of
> Houston in January for a OTQ attempt, but after
> meeting and talking to
> some Boulder area runners he is now leaning toward
> P.F. Chang's in
> Phoenix.

First of all: Good luck today -- we are all pulling
for you.  (And boy oh boy would I have some choice
words to say to you *under my breath* if I were
running 400's and you had your butt plopped in a
chair! :)

Second of all: I am pulling for Houston, obviously,
but I wont hold it against him if he chooses Phoenix.
All kidding aside, wouldnt TX have better weather?

Keep looking up...
kdg


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Barb and I are heading to the cabin tomorrow morning for a nice, long
weekend. I'm looking forward to some good runs on those cool mornings
around the lake, including a long run on Sunday.
Becky and her fiance are joining us Saturday night, and will explore some
possible sites for their wedding reception next June.
Pappy, they should have a wedding date soon after, and will call you soon
after that. Right now they are leaning toward June 23.

Gotta run,
Jonguy

Hey 5K,
I would be very pleased to have you join us. I've been hoping all along that
our group would include you. I know you will add to the fun and to the
motivation.
Looking forward to the LBCM,
Jonguy

--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "fivekbob" <fivekbob@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
> I just want to let you know that if you are starting out at a 9:00
> pace in Chicago with some walk breaks, I might join you.  I might bonk
> down the stretch but I'm trying for a 3:59 which would be a 9:05 or so.
>
> Later, 5K  Run Smart (while having fun.)
>

Consider it done.. it would be an honor to run my last marathon with
you

>
> Hi Guys,
> I just want to let you know that if you are starting out at a 9:00
> pace in Chicago with some walk breaks, I might join you.  I might
bonk
> down the stretch but I'm trying for a 3:59 which would be a 9:05 or
so.
>
> Later, 5K  Run Smart (while having fun.)
>

Hi Pappy,
Good luck with your surgery today.  I hope it's successful so that you
can run in the future pain free.

Later, 5K  Run Smart (Not that running is every totally pain free.)

Hi Guys,
I just want to let you know that if you are starting out at a 9:00
pace in Chicago with some walk breaks, I might join you.  I might bonk
down the stretch but I'm trying for a 3:59 which would be a 9:05 or so.

Later, 5K  Run Smart (while having fun.)

Yea it's always all about Jonguy.. LOL.... I'm going to Harry's for
dinner at 8PM I knew you wouldn't be going.... It's ok

>
> RG, walk breaks will be fine with me. We can plan to walk during
water stops,
> if you want, to begin with. I was thinking about this earlier
today, trying to
> remember how many marathons I've run non-stop. I think there have
been
> only about a half-dozen. Three Chicagos, three Bayshores and
Boston. That's
> seven out of 15.
> I told Barb last night that I felt bad not planning to eat with
you and Denise that
> Saturday night, since it might be your last Chicago. She seemed to
agree that
> maybe I should feel bad. So change your reservation to the Italian
Village, 6
> p.m., or I can add you to ours. :)
> JG
>
> --- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
> <rungregg@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Buddy my goal is to still run Chicago at a pace of 9... but I'll
> > just have to take want the course gives me.. with no more long
runs
> > of more then 10 miles its going to take its toll ... I plan on
> > taking walking breaks when I need too.. I've never planned one
into
> > a race but more then likely will this time
> >
> > rungregg
> > git'r done
> >
> > PS: nice job on making all those dinner reservations
> >
> >
> > > RG, be afraid. Be very afraid. It's going to bite you again,
and
> > you know it.
> > > On the other hand, don't worry, because you're going to lick
this
> > heel problem.
> > >
> > > I went out for an 8-mile pace run yesterday feeling kinda
tired,
> > but surprised
> > > myself and did it easily at 8:56 pace and only 68% effort. I'm
> > encouraged that
> > > my tough days are boosting my fitness now instead of cutting
into
> > it, like
> > > earlier this summer.
> > >
> > > Still very much looking forward to a break after Chicago,
though.
> > >
> > > Gotta run,
> > > Jonguy
> > >
> > > --- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
> > > <rungregg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting
> > better by
> > > > the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp
for
> > the
> > > > next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking
> > about the
> > > > next long run... I think this is going to do the job for
now.. I
> > just
> > > > have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in
the
> > future
> > > >
> > > > rungregg
> > > > git'r done
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Yea it's always all about Jonguy.. LOL.... I'm going to Harry's for
dinner at 8PM I knew you wouldn't be going.... It's ok

>
> RG, walk breaks will be fine with me. We can plan to walk during
water stops,
> if you want, to begin with. I was thinking about this earlier
today, trying to
> remember how many marathons I've run non-stop. I think there have
been
> only about a half-dozen. Three Chicagos, three Bayshores and
Boston. That's
> seven out of 15.
> I told Barb last night that I felt bad not planning to eat with
you and Denise that
> Saturday night, since it might be your last Chicago. She seemed to
agree that
> maybe I should feel bad. So change your reservation to the Italian
Village, 6
> p.m., or I can add you to ours. :)
> JG
>
> --- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
> <rungregg@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Buddy my goal is to still run Chicago at a pace of 9... but I'll
> > just have to take want the course gives me.. with no more long
runs
> > of more then 10 miles its going to take its toll ... I plan on
> > taking walking breaks when I need too.. I've never planned one
into
> > a race but more then likely will this time
> >
> > rungregg
> > git'r done
> >
> > PS: nice job on making all those dinner reservations
> >
> >
> > > RG, be afraid. Be very afraid. It's going to bite you again,
and
> > you know it.
> > > On the other hand, don't worry, because you're going to lick
this
> > heel problem.
> > >
> > > I went out for an 8-mile pace run yesterday feeling kinda
tired,
> > but surprised
> > > myself and did it easily at 8:56 pace and only 68% effort. I'm
> > encouraged that
> > > my tough days are boosting my fitness now instead of cutting
into
> > it, like
> > > earlier this summer.
> > >
> > > Still very much looking forward to a break after Chicago,
though.
> > >
> > > Gotta run,
> > > Jonguy
> > >
> > > --- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
> > > <rungregg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting
> > better by
> > > > the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp
for
> > the
> > > > next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking
> > about the
> > > > next long run... I think this is going to do the job for
now.. I
> > just
> > > > have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in
the
> > future
> > > >
> > > > rungregg
> > > > git'r done
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Yea it's always all about Jonguy.. LOL.... I'm going to Harry's for
dinner at 8PM I knew you wouldn't be going.... It's ok

>
> RG, walk breaks will be fine with me. We can plan to walk during
water stops,
> if you want, to begin with. I was thinking about this earlier
today, trying to
> remember how many marathons I've run non-stop. I think there have
been
> only about a half-dozen. Three Chicagos, three Bayshores and
Boston. That's
> seven out of 15.
> I told Barb last night that I felt bad not planning to eat with
you and Denise that
> Saturday night, since it might be your last Chicago. She seemed to
agree that
> maybe I should feel bad. So change your reservation to the Italian
Village, 6
> p.m., or I can add you to ours. :)
> JG
>
> --- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
> <rungregg@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Buddy my goal is to still run Chicago at a pace of 9... but I'll
> > just have to take want the course gives me.. with no more long
runs
> > of more then 10 miles its going to take its toll ... I plan on
> > taking walking breaks when I need too.. I've never planned one
into
> > a race but more then likely will this time
> >
> > rungregg
> > git'r done
> >
> > PS: nice job on making all those dinner reservations
> >
> >
> > > RG, be afraid. Be very afraid. It's going to bite you again,
and
> > you know it.
> > > On the other hand, don't worry, because you're going to lick
this
> > heel problem.
> > >
> > > I went out for an 8-mile pace run yesterday feeling kinda
tired,
> > but surprised
> > > myself and did it easily at 8:56 pace and only 68% effort. I'm
> > encouraged that
> > > my tough days are boosting my fitness now instead of cutting
into
> > it, like
> > > earlier this summer.
> > >
> > > Still very much looking forward to a break after Chicago,
though.
> > >
> > > Gotta run,
> > > Jonguy
> > >
> > > --- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
> > > <rungregg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting
> > better by
> > > > the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp
for
> > the
> > > > next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking
> > about the
> > > > next long run... I think this is going to do the job for
now.. I
> > just
> > > > have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in
the
> > future
> > > >
> > > > rungregg
> > > > git'r done
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

RG, walk breaks will be fine with me. We can plan to walk during water stops,
if you want, to begin with. I was thinking about this earlier today, trying to
remember how many marathons I've run non-stop. I think there have been
only about a half-dozen. Three Chicagos, three Bayshores and Boston. That's
seven out of 15.
I told Barb last night that I felt bad not planning to eat with you and Denise
that
Saturday night, since it might be your last Chicago. She seemed to agree that
maybe I should feel bad. So change your reservation to the Italian Village, 6
p.m., or I can add you to ours. :)
JG

--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
<rungregg@...> wrote:
>
>
> Buddy my goal is to still run Chicago at a pace of 9... but I'll
> just have to take want the course gives me.. with no more long runs
> of more then 10 miles its going to take its toll ... I plan on
> taking walking breaks when I need too.. I've never planned one into
> a race but more then likely will this time
>
> rungregg
> git'r done
>
> PS: nice job on making all those dinner reservations
>
>
> > RG, be afraid. Be very afraid. It's going to bite you again, and
> you know it.
> > On the other hand, don't worry, because you're going to lick this
> heel problem.
> >
> > I went out for an 8-mile pace run yesterday feeling kinda tired,
> but surprised
> > myself and did it easily at 8:56 pace and only 68% effort. I'm
> encouraged that
> > my tough days are boosting my fitness now instead of cutting into
> it, like
> > earlier this summer.
> >
> > Still very much looking forward to a break after Chicago, though.
> >
> > Gotta run,
> > Jonguy
> >
> > --- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
> > <rungregg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting
> better by
> > > the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp for
> the
> > > next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking
> about the
> > > next long run... I think this is going to do the job for now.. I
> just
> > > have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in the
> future
> > >
> > > rungregg
> > > git'r done
> > >
> >
>

Buddy my goal is to still run Chicago at a pace of 9... but I'll
just have to take want the course gives me.. with no more long runs
of more then 10 miles its going to take its toll ... I plan on
taking walking breaks when I need too.. I've never planned one into
a race but more then likely will this time

rungregg
git'r done

PS: nice job on making all those dinner reservations


> RG, be afraid. Be very afraid. It's going to bite you again, and
you know it.
> On the other hand, don't worry, because you're going to lick this
heel problem.
>
> I went out for an 8-mile pace run yesterday feeling kinda tired,
but surprised
> myself and did it easily at 8:56 pace and only 68% effort. I'm
encouraged that
> my tough days are boosting my fitness now instead of cutting into
it, like
> earlier this summer.
>
> Still very much looking forward to a break after Chicago, though.
>
> Gotta run,
> Jonguy
>
> --- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
> <rungregg@> wrote:
> >
> > with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting
better by
> > the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp for
the
> > next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking
about the
> > next long run... I think this is going to do the job for now.. I
just
> > have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in the
future
> >
> > rungregg
> > git'r done
> >
>

Chris,

you've always brought good information to this club and to me..
Trust me, I'm working on the problem as hard as I can.. I know what
you are saying about running races.. I'm just like you.. I'M A VERY
LUCKY GUY TO HAVE RUN 2 BOSTION MARATHONS... and one was with a very
good buddy of mine that I will never forget

Thanks
Gregg

>
> RG,
>
> In my experience, the fact that the heels recover fairly quickly
is a
> good indicator that you haven't developed bone spurs under the
tendon
> insertions.  That's a really good sign that you can beat this
thing
> without surgery.
>
> Please consider the first 3 options on my list.
>
> On a personal note, I have found in the last 5 weeks that I really
> don't have the time or inclination to run to run 2 marathons a
year in
> the future.  If I can qualify for, and run Boston once, I'm done
with
> the 26.2 stuff (except maybe in another Ultra).  I'm too
competetive to
> run them 'just for fun', because it takes me almost the same
amount of
> work to do that as it does to run it as fast as possible.
>
> Be patient with the injury.  It's caused by a structural problem
that
> won't resolve itself without action (items 1-3), and sufficient
time
> for it to completely resolve itself.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> >
> > with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting
better
> by
> > the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp for
the
> > next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking
about the
> > next long run... I think this is going to do the job for now.. I
just
> > have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in the
future
> >
>

RG, be afraid. Be very afraid. It's going to bite you again, and you know it.
On the other hand, don't worry, because you're going to lick this heel problem.

I went out for an 8-mile pace run yesterday feeling kinda tired, but surprised
myself and did it easily at 8:56 pace and only 68% effort. I'm encouraged that
my tough days are boosting my fitness now instead of cutting into it, like
earlier this summer.

Still very much looking forward to a break after Chicago, though.

Gotta run,
Jonguy

--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Wein"
<rungregg@...> wrote:
>
> with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting better by
> the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp for the
> next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking about the
> next long run... I think this is going to do the job for now.. I just
> have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in the future
>
> rungregg
> git'r done
>

RG,

In my experience, the fact that the heels recover fairly quickly is a
good indicator that you haven't developed bone spurs under the tendon
insertions.  That's a really good sign that you can beat this thing
without surgery.

Please consider the first 3 options on my list.

On a personal note, I have found in the last 5 weeks that I really
don't have the time or inclination to run to run 2 marathons a year in
the future.  If I can qualify for, and run Boston once, I'm done with
the 26.2 stuff (except maybe in another Ultra).  I'm too competetive to
run them 'just for fun', because it takes me almost the same amount of
work to do that as it does to run it as fast as possible.

Be patient with the injury.  It's caused by a structural problem that
won't resolve itself without action (items 1-3), and sufficient time
for it to completely resolve itself.

Best of luck.

Chris




>
> with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting better
by
> the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp for the
> next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking about the
> next long run... I think this is going to do the job for now.. I just
> have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in the future
>

with the cut back of the long runs my heels are just getting better by
the day.. After my Sunday runs my heels would make me limp for the
next 3 days.... and then it would be time to start thinking about the
next long run... I think this is going to do the job for now.. I just
have to hope that that dam marathon bug doesn't bite me in the future

rungregg
git'r done

It's not like you haven't been through this before.. You know what to
expect and you know how to recover... SO GO GET'EM BUDDY....

rungregg
git'r done

Pappy, good luck to you this afternoon, and may the surgeon make all the
right moves and decisions. You've been through this enough times, you could
probably tell him what to do. Let us know how it goes.
JG

--- In letschataboutrunning@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Ryan"
<leslieruns131@...> wrote:
>
> Pappy:
>
> Just a quick note to you that I'll be sending all types of positive vibes to
> you this afternoon during the "procedure".... everything will be fine.
>
> leslie
> off for the long run before the trip to atlana today....
>
> --
> Leslie
> read my blog at www.lesliearyan.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks Leslie...and to all for your thoughts, prayers, positive
energy, and love as I go under the scope for the third time...first
for this knee though.

I didn't start getting nervous until yesterday.  That's probably
because I had everything at the office and with the team pretty much
done and set up for the couple of days I'll be down...means I didn't
have tasks to focus on and got to thinking WAY too much.

Kathy and girls treated me (I say treated even though I paid) to my
favorite restaurant last night...Buffalo Wild Wings.  Had a nice
salad, some Asian Zing wings, and a couple of raspberry wheat beers to
wash them down.  Some friends went with us...she's a nurse also...and
neither nurse thought the hospital would discount my anasthesia bill
if I just kept drinking up to the time of surgery.  No wonder medical
costs are so high.

Giddyup!
Pappy

Becky,

Good to have you back here posting.  Glad things are going well for
you in Phoenix.  Good luck with school.

Aaron, the guy I coach who's trying to qualify for the Olympic Trials
is now in Boulder to get his masters and to train.  He was thinking of
Houston in January for a OTQ attempt, but after meeting and talking to
some Boulder area runners he is now leaning toward P.F. Chang's in
Phoenix.  I'll keep you posted.

Giddyup!
Pappy

> Pappy,
>
> Does this mean that every 3 min they run a 400 and you
> are wanting them to do 36 of them?
>
> Keep looking up...and thanking God you dont train with
> Pappy. LOL.
> kdg
>

KDG,

That is exactly what it is.  At the start/finish line of the track
I'll park my recovering bottom in a chair with my leg propped up on
another chair with a stopwatch, a clipboard, the bucket of rocks, and
a steaming cup of coffee while they crank out the 400's.  Donuts after
for everyone!

Giddyup!
Pappy