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#2964 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Thu Jul 1, 2004 1:20 pm
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Perez's MRI only showed inflammation so that is good but he's still
going to miss at least a start but might not go on the DL.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, "nezz39" <nezz39@y...> wrote:
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> LHP Odalis Perez is scheduled to undergo an MRI exam June 29
because
> of soreness in his left shoulder, the Los Angeles Times reported.
> Perez, who was pulled after five innings in the Dogers' 7-5 loss to
> the Angels on June 26 because of irritation of the rotator cuff,
> continued to experience pain. "We're going to see what type of
damage
> I have in there," said Perez (4-3, 2.96). "I hope not to have any
> damage, but for now it hurts."

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#2963 From: "|DiRT|" <LADodgerFan@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:46 pm
Subject: Did McGwire deserve an asterisk? dirtsr
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Did McGwire deserve an asterisk?

Slugger broke Maris' mark while on andro,
which has since been banned by baseball

James A. Finley / AP

Mark McGwire, has slimmed down noticeably since his playing days.

COMMENTARY

By Tim Dahlberg

The Associated Press

Updated: 3:10 p.m. ET June 30, 2004

Roger Maris� home run record was tainted simply because he played a few more games in 1961 than Babe Ruth did a few decades earlier. At least that�s what the Bud Selig of his time, Ford Frick, wanted everyone to believe.

Maris� big crime, of course, wasn�t that he got a few more at-bats than the Babe when he hit 61 home runs. He had taken the record of a national icon, and Frick wasn�t about to let Ruth�s legacy be diminished.

So Maris got his asterisk, Ruth remained the beloved Babe, and baseball went on its merry way.

If only it were that simple today.

Baseball�s home run records are a joke, shattered by hulking men with biceps that bulge suspiciously every time they�re jammed on a pitch and the ensuing popup finds its way over the fence.

Ask most fans, and they�ll tell you baseball players are juiced. Some most assuredly are, as the first wave of steroid tests last year proved when 5 to 7 percent of the 1,438 anonymous tests turned out positive.

Barry Bonds, the single-season homer champion, is linked almost daily to the BALCO steroid probe, even as he closes in on the career hallowed home run record held by Hank Aaron. Though Bonds angrily denies everything, sprinter Tim Montgomery reportedly testified that BALCO�s founder told him Bonds switched to a clear steroid last season to avoid being caught in baseball�s new tests.

While Bonds proclaims his innocence, he�s not going to win this one in the court of public opinion. With every look at his muscle-bound body and every blast into McCovey Cove, fans wink knowingly at each other about the source of his power that enabled him to eclipse McGwire�s single-season homer mark when he hit 73 in 2001.

Even a former slugger with some pedigree of his own questioned how Bonds could do it.

�Somebody definitely is guilty of taking steroids. You can�t be breaking records hitting 200 home runs in three or four seasons,� Reggie Jackson said a few months ago. �The greatest hitters in the history of the game didn�t do that.�

Despite the suspicions, there�s no asterisk beside Bonds� name � at least yet.

But maybe it�s time for baseball historians to take another look at the slugger who preceded him into the record books.

Mark McGwire hit a then astonishing 70 home runs in 1998, the last two on his final two swings of the season. He did it with a jar of andro in his locker, which under baseball�s policy of see no evil, hear no evil, was perfectly legal at the time.

Times have changed, though, as baseball�s chief operating officer almost casually revealed last Friday. No one knew it then, but baseball banned androstenedione on April 12, the same day the Food and Drug Administration banned the sale of the steroidlike substance.

For some reason, the commissioner�s office never announced the ban at the time. The guess is baseball was embarrassed it took so long to prohibit a substance already banned in the Olympics, NFL and NCAA.

Regardless, the action puts baseball into a bind. McGwire, who broke Maris� record and for a few years was the single season home run king, admits to bulking up on the junk when he did it.

Yes, McGwire was always a big home run hitter, hitting 49 in his first full season with Oakland. But how many of those 70 home runs in 1998 might have been warning track fly balls if McGwire hadn�t used something to make himself bigger and stronger?

Maybe, just maybe, Maris� record wouldn�t have been broken then.

If there�s any doubt what andro did for McGwire, just take a look at him now. You�ll find him slimmed down and playing golf, a sport where bulging muscles aren�t encouraged.

Just don�t ask him about andro or steroids because he wants no part of the conversation, as was made clear when he attended Mark McGwire Day in April in St. Louis.

His former manager, though, doesn�t mind doing the talking for him.

�When�s the last time something legal affected anybody? He didn�t do anything illegal,� Tony La Russa said Tuesday. �It was an over the counter drug, he displayed it there (in his locker). It�s tying it with the steroid thing, but Mac did nothing illegal. He hit 49 as a kid, and he hit 65 the next year (after he hit 70).�

Former teammate Jim Edmonds agreed. He suggests baseball went too far to even ban the substance.

�Everybody�s trying to get bigger and stronger in whatever way they can do it, if they can get it over the counter, by all means,� Edmonds said. �Are they going to close down GNC because they sell things that help your body get better?�

Edmonds misses the point. McGwire himself said he gave up the substance in 1999 because he didn�t want kids using andro. And even though you could once walk into a nutrition store and buy the stuff, other sports had already realized its dangers.

McGwire won�t be taken out of the record books because he used andro. Baseball actually owes him and Sammy Sosa a debt for their thrilling home run duel that drew attention back to the beleaguered game.

But if Roger Maris can get a mythical asterisk for playing a few more games than Babe Ruth, then maybe McGwire�s substance-aided season should have one attached, too.

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#2962 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:39 pm
Subject: Dodgers/Giants on ESPN 2 Tonight (Wednesday) nezz39
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LA is on tonight on ESPN 2 at 10:00 (Eastern Time).

dan

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#2961 From: prettyrose33@...
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:49 am
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Yeah, not much of an offensive outburst but enough to win.

Kristin

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#2960 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:16 pm
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Nice to get the win last night and move within 2.5 games of first.
Obviously we need a big series against the Giants.  Weaver was solid
(again) and Werth had a good game.  Overall though the team only had
4 hits (Werth had two including a homer).

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, "nezz39" <nezz39@y...> wrote:
> We are now in third place behind the Giants and the Padres as we
> return home to play San Fran.  Weaver goes tonight.
>
> dan

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#2959 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Congrats to Beltre nezz39
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I guess if they don't really think they are going to sign him that
it's the thing to do but if they've got a chance I think we should
hold onto him too.  It isn't often that you trade a guy away during
his free agency year and you sign him back.  With the season he is
having though we should get a stud prospect or two in return.

Regarding "McCheap" (which is pretty funny), I'm still willing to
give him a full off-season to see what the team does before I get
down on him.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, prettyrose33@a... wrote:
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>   I read in Sunday's paper that if Beltre continues to have an
awesome
> season, he might be the one traded by the deadline it the team is
too far out of it
> since he's the hottest player we have.  I think that would be a
mistake but
> maybe the team might be thinking that McCheap won't be able to sign
him this off
> season.
>
>

>                                     Kristin

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#2958 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Sorta Funny nezz39
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Yeah, someone that has $25,000 to drop on something like this really
probably doesn't need the money he'd get from selling the ball.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, prettyrose33@a... wrote:
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>   Must be nice to just have $25,000.00 to spend like that.  I don't
even
> bring that much home in a year!
>
>

>                                 Kristin

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#2957 From: prettyrose33@...
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:16 pm
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I read in Sunday's paper that if Beltre continues to have an awesome season, he might be the one traded by the deadline it the team is too far out of it since he's the hottest player we have. I think that would be a mistake but maybe the team might be thinking that McCheap won't be able to sign him this off season.

Kristin

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#2956 From: prettyrose33@...
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: Sorta Funny prettyrose33
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Must be nice to just have $25,000.00 to spend like that. I don't even bring that much home in a year!

Kristin

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#2955 From: prettyrose33@...
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: Garcia to the White Sox prettyrose33
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Were the Yankees ever a real serious contender? I hadn't heard if they were interested or not but yes, I would think that George would try to get another arm, at least by the trade deadline for the post season.

Kristin

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#2954 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:06 pm
Subject: Giants Series nezz39
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We are now in third place behind the Giants and the Padres as we
return home to play San Fran.  Weaver goes tonight.

dan

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#2953 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:05 pm
Subject: Congrats to Beltre nezz39
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Adrian Beltre was named co-player of the week in the NL along with
Roy Oswalt.  Beltre continues to have a great season.

dan

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#2952 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:01 pm
Subject: Sorta Funny nezz39
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Mike Mahan, a 28-year-old investment banker from West Los Angeles,
has put down about $25,000 through the Dodgers' group-sales
department to secure all 3,000 seats in right-field pavilion at
Dodger Stadium for two of the last three games of the regular season -
- against the Giants, the Los Angeles Daily News reported. Either of
those games could be the one when Barry Bonds slugs his 700th, 714th
or 715th career home run -- each a milestone number in his quest to
become the game's all-time leader. "Obviously there are no
guarantees, but I have crunched the numbers," said Mahan, a lifelong
Dodgers fan. "I look at this as buying a lottery ticket and having
some fun."

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#2951 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:02 pm
Subject: Sorta Sucks nezz39
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LHP Odalis Perez is scheduled to undergo an MRI exam June 29 because
of soreness in his left shoulder, the Los Angeles Times reported.
Perez, who was pulled after five innings in the Dogers' 7-5 loss to
the Angels on June 26 because of irritation of the rotator cuff,
continued to experience pain. "We're going to see what type of damage
I have in there," said Perez (4-3, 2.96). "I hope not to have any
damage, but for now it hurts."

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#2950 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:18 pm
Subject: Garcia to the White Sox nezz39
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As I'm sure most people have heard, Freddy Garcia was traded to the
White Sox.  The big names are going early this year.  Surprising that
the Yankees couldn't step up and outbid the White Sox but I know that
their farm system is pretty depleted.

dan

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#2949 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: Angels Series nezz39
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At least we got one game out of this series yesterday with Ishii
coming through again.  Day off today before the Giants again at
home.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, dodgerfan707@a... wrote:
> Anything less than a sweep will be a failure in my opinion.  The
Giants have
> a touch series against Oakland.  Zito goes tonight.  This is out
chance to
> catch back up.  Matt
>
> In a message dated 6/25/2004 6:22:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> nezz39@y... writes:
> We need to start this series off with a win big time.
>
> dan

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#2948 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: The Dodger Blues nezz39
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I'm worried too that we'll end up trading away good young pitching
for something short term especially with the way our rotation looks
next year.  I think Weaver might be the only guy that is under
contract right now.  We definitely need to keep Jackson and Greg
Miller (our other hot pitching prospect) and anyone else we have that
might be major league ready next year.  If we sell then we should get
them up to the major league club and get them experience now.

We may be able to get us a guy or two that helps us win our weak
division but I don't think we'll have a shot at the Series which we
might if we hold onto some of our prospects and play the free agent
market right next year or after.

Oliver Perez has been pretty impressive for the Pirates.  I know that
last year was supposed to be his break out year for the Padres but he
struggled and they included him in the Giles deal.  He's definitely
looking good this year.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, Mud Diggler <sirmuddiggler@y...>
wrote:
> I'm with you Dan--- Jackson should be pitching with the Dodgers
right now.
>
> I would just hate to see Edwin Jackson, or another young stud
traded away and not make the playoffs.
>
> Harold Reynolds put it best,  he said one reason for having good
prospects is to trade them for impact players. He brought up the
Indians in the mid 90s, how they traded away Giles,Sexson and Sean
Casey. Ya they traded away players that would have helped them down
the road, but without the impact players they got back they would
have not made the world series. Sexson,Giles nor Casey could impact
the team at that time, so they got players that did.
>
> My point is that I don't feel this team is good enough to trade
away our prospects. Last year we should have done it. Got Sexson or
Giles and see where it took us, because our pitching was so good that
all we really needed was a BIG BAT!
>
> WOULD OF,SHOULD OF, COULD OF!
>
> I'm sure last year I was thinking the same thing I am now! DON'T
TRADE YOUTH!
>
>  The Braves are believed to have Russ Ortiz on the block, another
option besides Freddy Garcia. I would prefer Jamie Moyer, I know he
is like 42-44-48 or something, but he could still pitch.
>
> Has anyone seen Oliver Perez pitch for the Pirates. He is only 22 --
- 13 K's in 7 innings yesterday. He has a 3-4 record but his ERA is
at 3.43. He averages about a K per inning, just battles control
problems.
>
> This guy is going to be a ACE one day.
>
> MUD
>
> nezz39 <nezz39@y...> wrote:
> Buying or selling is a good question?  With us only being a few
games
> out at this point I certainly don't think we sell yet.  However,
> really need to look at it in a month when we get close to the trade
> deadline.  I like how we are positioned next year for the free
agent
> market salary wise (not sure though who will be available) and we
do
> have some young players I would like to see continue to get shots.
> So maybe we do sell when the time comes.  Really depends on how we
> play the next few weeks and if the last week is any indication then
> it might not be good.  Either way that we decide to go, Jackson
> should be up here pitching now.
>
> dan
>
> --- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, Mud Diggler <sirmuddiggler@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > First off I lke to say MATT, I feel your pain!
> >
> > I too live in the Bay Area. Its has been a long week. I have
Giant
> Fans coming out the woodwork giving me SHIZO!
> >
> > Anyway I don't know why we are shocked at the recent events I
mean
> we should be imune to this, it happens EVERYyear.
> >
> > Since May 16, the Royals actually have a better record (16-14)
than
> the Dodgers (15-17).
> >
> > That is sad.
> >
> > The qustion I have to everyone is this:
> >
> > Don't you guys think that the Dodgers should be SELLING not
BUYING?
> >
> > I mean every year they are close, but never make it. Trade away
> youth for VENTURA,TYLER HOUSTON! Give me a brake. Beltran is
already
> gone. What bat is left out there? If we pick up Freddy Garcia,
which
> we will overpay because the Yankees and White Sox are like hungry
> wolves for pitching. Will it make a difference?
> >
> > I say build for next year. ... I know we are only 2.5 games out,
> but does anyone feel that this Dodger team will make the playoffs.
> Add any potential trade, DELGADO,FINLY,GARCIA  hell even Randy
> Johnson. Do you guys think this team will do anything?
> >
> > Do like the Padres, build a core for next year..... bring up
> Jackson. The Yankees want pitching trade them Ishhi, Lima, maybe
even
> Odalis if the Dodgers are planning to let him go.
> >
> > I truely believe this is fustratiuon writing, but hey food for
> thought!
> >
> > Mud
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#2947 From: Mud Diggler <sirmuddiggler@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:44 pm
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I'm with you Dan--- Jackson should be pitching with the Dodgers right now.

I would just hate to see Edwin Jackson, or another young stud traded away and not make the playoffs.

Harold Reynolds put it best, he said one reason for having good prospects is to trade them for impact players. He brought up the Indians in the mid 90s, how they traded away Giles,Sexson and Sean Casey. Ya they traded away players that would have helped them down the road, but without the impact players they got back they would have not made the world series. Sexson,Giles nor Casey could impact the team at that time, so they got players that did.

My point is that I don't feel this team is good enough to trade away our prospects. Last year we should have done it. Got Sexson or Giles and see where it took us, because our pitching was so good that all we really needed was a BIG BAT!

WOULD OF,SHOULD OF, COULD OF!

I'm sure last year I was thinking the same thing I am now! DON'T TRADE YOUTH!

The Braves are believed to have Russ Ortiz on the block, another option besides Freddy Garcia. I would prefer Jamie Moyer, I know he is like 42-44-48 or something, but he could still pitch.

Has anyone seen Oliver Perez pitch for the Pirates. He is only 22 --- 13 K's in 7 innings yesterday. He has a 3-4 record but his ERA is at 3.43. He averages about a K per inning, just battles control problems.

This guy is going to be a ACE one day.

MUD

nezz39 <nezz39@...> wrote:

Buying or selling is a good question? With us only being a few games out at this point I certainly don't think we sell yet. However, really need to look at it in a month when we get close to the trade deadline. I like how we are positioned next year for the free agent market salary wise (not sure though who will be available) and we do have some young players I would like to see continue to get shots. So maybe we do sell when the time comes. Really depends on how we play the next few weeks and if the last week is any indication then it might not be good. Either way that we decide to go, Jackson should be up here pitching now. dan --- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, Mud Diggler <sirmuddiggler@y...> wrote: > > First off I lke to say MATT, I feel your pain! > > I too live in the Bay Area. Its has been a long week. I have Giant Fans coming out the woodwork giving me SHIZO! > > Anyway I don't know why we are shocked at the recent events I mean we should be imune to this, it happens EVERYyear. > > Since May 16, the Royals actually have a better record (16-14) than the Dodgers (15-17). > > That is sad. > > The qustion I have to everyone is this: > > Don't you guys think that the Dodgers should be SELLING not BUYING? > > I mean every year they are close, but never make it. Trade away youth for VENTURA,TYLER HOUSTON! Give me a brake. Beltran is already gone. What bat is left out there? If we pick up Freddy Garcia, which we will overpay because the Yankees and White Sox are like hungry wolves for pitching. Will it make a difference? > > I say build for next year. ... I know we are only 2.5 games out, but does anyone feel that this Dodger team will make the playoffs. Add any potential trade, DELGADO,FINLY,GARCIA hell even Randy Johnson. Do you guys think this team will do anything? > > Do like the Padres, build a core for next year..... bring up Jackson. The Yankees want pitching trade them Ishhi, Lima, maybe even Odalis if the Dodgers are planning to let him go. > > I truely believe this is fustratiuon writing, but hey food for thought! > > Mud

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#2946 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:27 am
Subject: Re: The Dodger Blues nezz39
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Buying or selling is a good question?  With us only being a few games
out at this point I certainly don't think we sell yet.  However,
really need to look at it in a month when we get close to the trade
deadline.  I like how we are positioned next year for the free agent
market salary wise (not sure though who will be available) and we do
have some young players I would like to see continue to get shots.
So maybe we do sell when the time comes.  Really depends on how we
play the next few weeks and if the last week is any indication then
it might not be good.  Either way that we decide to go, Jackson
should be up here pitching now.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, Mud Diggler <sirmuddiggler@y...>
wrote:
>
> First off I lke to say MATT, I feel your pain!
>
> I too live in the Bay Area. Its has been a long week. I have Giant
Fans coming out the woodwork giving me SHIZO!
>
> Anyway I don't know why we are shocked at the recent events I mean
we should be imune to this, it happens EVERYyear.
>
> Since May 16, the Royals actually have a better record (16-14) than
the Dodgers (15-17).
>
> That is sad.
>
> The qustion I have to everyone is this:
>
> Don't you guys think that the Dodgers should be SELLING not BUYING?
>
> I mean every year they are close, but never make it. Trade away
youth for VENTURA,TYLER HOUSTON! Give me a brake. Beltran is already
gone. What bat is left out there? If we pick up Freddy Garcia, which
we will overpay because the Yankees and White Sox are like hungry
wolves for pitching. Will it make a difference?
>
> I say build for next year. ... I know we are only 2.5 games out,
but does anyone feel that this Dodger team will make the playoffs.
Add any potential trade, DELGADO,FINLY,GARCIA  hell even Randy
Johnson. Do you guys think this team will do anything?
>
> Do like the Padres, build a core for next year..... bring up
Jackson. The Yankees want pitching trade them Ishhi, Lima, maybe even
Odalis if the Dodgers are planning to let him go.
>
> I truely believe this is fustratiuon writing, but hey food for
thought!
>
> Mud

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#2945 From: "|DiRT|" <LADodgerFan@...>
Date: Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:55 am
Subject: Ban, called 'progress', took effect in April dirtsr
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Friday, June 25, 2004

Ban, called 'progress', took effect in April

Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA -- With little fanfare, Major League Baseball and its players have banned the use of andro, the steroidlike substance made famous by Mark McGwire when he hit 70 home runs in 1998.


	Mark McGwire stopped taking andro the year after hitting 70. Now, no ballplayer can take the banned substance without being penalized.

The ban, which began this season, was never announced by the commissioner's office or the Players' Association. Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer, referred to it Friday during a panel discussion at the annual meeting of the Associated Press Sports Editors.

"I think it's a good thing," Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina said later in the day in New York. "It's still one of many things to be done."

The Food and Drug Administration banned the sale of androstenedione as of April 12. Baseball's decision, confirmed by management lawyer Frank Coonelly and union lawyer Michael Weiner, took effect the same day and means players who test positive for andro face penalties, including suspensions after two positive tests.

"Baseball has made key progress on several points," DuPuy said, defending the sport's drug policy, which has been criticized by many in the Olympic movement as being too lax.

Coonelly and Weiner said that based on the FDA decision and a study conducted by Harvard in 1999 that was financed by baseball, the union and management concluded andro acted like an androgenic anabolic steroid and should be added to the sport's list of banned substances.

Andro is used by the body to make testosterone. Congress is considering legislation that would designate andro and more than two dozen other steroidlike supplements as controlled substances -- making them available by prescription only under certain conditions.

In survey tests for steroids last year, 5-to-7 percent of samples were positive, triggering testing with penalties this year. A first positive test would result in treatment and a second in a 15-day suspension or fine of up to $10,000. The length of suspensions would increase to 25 days for a third positive test, 50 days for a fourth and one year for a fifth. These suspensions also would be without pay.

Yankees outfielder Gary Sheffield, among the players who testified before a federal grand jury in California investigating illegal steroid distribution, was not aware of the decision.

"I think it's a good move, but I thought it was already done," said the New York Mets' Todd Zeile. "I thought they had done it the year after Mark McGwire in 1998."

McGwire stopped taking andro the following year, saying he did not want kids to follow his lead.

"When they were making the big stink about McGwire, I didn't see what the big deal was," Baltimore player representative Jay Gibbons said. "You have to ban it now. Obviously, there's some concern if they took it off the shelves."

Also appearing on the panel were Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency's medical research committee; former Pittsburgh Steeler Steve Courson, who has admitted using steroids; and Steve Holman, a former middle-distance runner who is an athlete ambassador for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

Courson referred to the investigation of BALCO, the California lab at the center of the federal probe. Greg Anderson, Barry Bonds' trainer, was among four men indicted by the grand jury -- all four have pleaded not guilty, and Bonds has denied using illegal steroids.

Tim Montgomery, who testified before the grand jury, was one of several sprinters who received a letter Wednesday from USADA warning they could face punishment for alleged steroid use. Marion Jones, who won five medals at the Sydney Olympics, also is being investigated.

Jones and Montgomery have denied using prohibited drugs.

Courson said it's a myth that there are "only a few bad apples."

"BALCO shows us that some of the people under suspicion are some of the greatest athletes in the world," he said. Courson said that if Montgomery is banned for life, "there are probably 100 sprinters waiting in line who are using the same drugs."

DuPuy was asked whether baseball would put an "asterisk" next to Bonds' record of 73 home runs, set in 2001, if it is proven that the slugger used steroids.

According to a report Thursday in the San Francisco Chronicle, Montgomery testified to the grand jury that BALCO founder Victor Conte told him he supplied Bonds with performance-enhancing drugs.

Bonds said he never met Montgomery and Conte's lawyer, Robert Holley, called the accusations "absolutely untrue."

"We're not going to speculate on what would be done if," DuPuy said. "There's no evidence of any time period. There's no evidence of the record having been affected by that.

"Bonds has repeatedly denied and Conte has repeatedly denied any steroid usage or any distribution to Barry Bonds. It's only someone he's never met who came out and suggested he had given steroids to Bonds. I don't want to sit here and prejudge any player's usage or nonusage."

Wadler called the current investigations "painful."

"In many ways we don't want to hear it because it shames us to see our heroines and heroes tarnished," he said.

Oakland outfielder Bobby Kielty thinks all the attention has changed attitudes.

"Definitely, people aren't going to be taking much stuff, period, after everything that's gone down," he said. "I think the sport's pretty much clean right now. You know people were taking them last year. The percentage is down. It's all going to be gone sooner or later."

Boston's Kevin Millar tried putting a humorous spin on things.

"I just eat hamburgers and hot dogs. That's all I take," he said.

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#2944 From: Mud Diggler <sirmuddiggler@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:04 pm
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First off I lke to say MATT, I feel your pain!

I too live in the Bay Area. Its has been a long week. I have Giant Fans coming out the woodwork giving me SHIZO!

Anyway I don't know why we are shocked at the recent events I mean we should be imune to this, it happens EVERYyear.

Since May 16, the Royals actually have a better record (16-14) than the Dodgers (15-17).

That is sad.

The qustion I have to everyone is this:

Don't you guys think that the Dodgers should be SELLING not BUYING?

I mean every year they are close, but never make it. Trade away youth for VENTURA,TYLER HOUSTON! Give me a brake. Beltran is already gone. What bat is left out there? If we pick up Freddy Garcia, which we will overpay because the Yankees and White Sox are like hungry wolves for pitching. Will it make a difference?

I say build for next year. ... I know we are only 2.5 games out, but does anyone feel that this Dodger team will make the playoffs. Add any potential trade, DELGADO,FINLY,GARCIA hell even Randy Johnson. Do you guys think this team will do anything?

Do like the Padres, build a core for next year..... bring up Jackson. The Yankees want pitching trade them Ishhi, Lima, maybe even Odalis if the Dodgers are planning to let him go.

I truely believe this is fustratiuon writing, but hey food for thought!

Mud

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#2942 From: "|DiRT|" <LADodgerFan@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:56 pm
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Your idea about giving Nomo time in the minors to rehab is a good one, Dan. I'm not sure if his contract would allow this, shy Nomo's acquiescing to it.

As for Green, the only suggestion I have, at this point, is to definitely take him out of the line-up. His bat, or lack thereof, is killing us at critical times, and we really cannot afford that.

David, just awakening, in Palm Bay.

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Date: Friday, June 25, 2004 08:41:53

To: ladodgers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ladodgers] Re: Today's Game

Yep, apparently Nomo was pretty bad again. One of the reasons we are supposedly interested in Freddy Garcia from Seattle. I don't think you release him. Maybe send him down to the minors so he continues to get work until he looks better (arm gets stronger). In short term promote Edwin Jackson and see what he can do. At the minimum he gets more experience which is good as he'll probably be in our rotation next year. Nomo won't like it but he's sucked so he just needs to be a man and suck it up. Don't know what to say about Green. He just seems to have regressed to be an average player. One rumor is the Dodgers trading for Carlos Delgado and moving Green back to the outfield. Not sure if that'll actually happen. dan --- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, prettyrose33@a... wrote: > > Well, I have to say that I didn't watch the game today, I just caught the > last two outs. I did read the box score though and it looks like Nomo is back > where he has managed to be all season by allowing 7 runs in 5 1/3 inning. I > don't know what to say. His ERA is over 7 and with the way the team has been > scoring runs we won't be able to score 8 in a game to guarantee him a win. I > don't know what the team does. Release him? We eat the rest of his salary? > Do we move him to the pen and promote who? Alvarez doesn't want to start. > Another problem we have is Shawn Green. He isn't getting any better. Is he > still injured? If so, go on the DL because the team is only being hurt with him > not even playing at 50%. Who do we put at first then? Ventura? I'm not > taking anything away from Robin but he has done so much sitting this season, > everyone knows that he is rusty and he is also the only guy on the team without a > homerun. I don't know what to say about that either. Another thing to make > note of is that the Padres are on out necks now and we could easily slip to third > very soon and we are facing Anaheim this weekend, not an easy team to beat > either. This team has it's work cut out for them. > > > Kristin

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#2941 From: dodgerfan707@...
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:35 pm
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Anything less than a sweep will be a failure in my opinion. The Giants have a touch series against Oakland. Zito goes tonight. This is out chance to catch back up. Matt

In a message dated 6/25/2004 6:22:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, nezz39@... writes:

We need to start this series off with a win big time.

dan

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#2940 From: dodgerfan707@...
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:31 pm
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Nomo needs to be benched. Lets send him to our Single A team and maybe he will get the idea. Maybe we could get lucky and throw him in as part of a trade to Seattle... The four prospects that they want, Nomo and Shawn Green for Garcia and a darft pick? Promote Edwin Jackson and let him get some experience. I wouldn't even consider a Green an average player at this time. Below average if he is lucky. The other day when he came up with two outs in the bottom of the ninth, I left the game. I have NEVER given up on my team like that before, but I knew it was a sure out. He needs to be canned.

Matt, in San Francisco

In a message dated 6/25/2004 5:37:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, nezz39@... writes:

Yep, apparently Nomo was pretty bad again. One of the reasons we are
supposedly interested in Freddy Garcia from Seattle. I don't think
you release him. Maybe send him down to the minors so he continues
to get work until he looks better (arm gets stronger). In short term
promote Edwin Jackson and see what he can do. At the minimum he gets
more experience which is good as he'll probably be in our rotation
next year. Nomo won't like it but he's sucked so he just needs to be
a man and suck it up.

Don't know what to say about Green. He just seems to have regressed
to be an average player. One rumor is the Dodgers trading for Carlos
Delgado and moving Green back to the outfield. Not sure if that'll
actually happen.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, prettyrose33@a... wrote:
>
> Well, I have to say that I didn't watch the game today, I just
caught the
> last two outs. I did read the box score though and it looks like
Nomo is back
> where he has managed to be all season by allowing 7 runs in 5 1/3
inning. I
> don't know what to say. His ERA is over 7 and with the way the
team has been
> scoring runs we won't be able to score 8 in a game to guarantee him
a win. I
> don't know what the team does. Release him? We eat the rest of
his salary?
> Do we move him to the pen and promote who? Alvarez doesn't want to
start.
> Another problem we have is Shawn Green. He isn't getting any
better. Is he
> still injured? If so, go on the DL because the team is only being
hurt with him
> not even playing at 50%. Who do we put at first then? Ventura?
I'm not
> taking anything away from Robin but he has done so much sitting
this season,
> everyone knows that he is rusty and he is also the only guy on the
team without a
> homerun. I don't know what to say about that either. Another
thing to make
> note of is that the Padres are on out necks now and we could easily
slip to third
> very soon and we are facing Anaheim this weekend, not an easy team
to beat
> either. This team has it's work cut out for them.
>
>

> Kristin

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#2939 From: "Kawika Iida" <kawika_iida@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: The Giants have just scored ... kahuna_1973
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www.coasttocoastam.com

----Original Message Follows----
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:19:22 EDT

Coast to Coast with Art Bell?  I miss that show?  I thought he retired a few
years ago to spend time with family...I hear a rumor he came back on part
time
basis...does he have a website?

In a message dated 6/24/2004 5:36:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
LADodgerFan@... writes:
Thursday, June 24. 2004.

The Giants have just scored their 2nd and 3rd runs, taking a 3-1 lead, and I
have decided not to watch anymore of tonight's game. I've had more than
enough
frustration for this week. Lordy.

David, listening to an MP3 of last night's Coast To Coast AM program, in
Palm
Bay, Florida.

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#2938 From: "Kawika Iida" <kawika_iida@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:03 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Today's Game kahuna_1973
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I think the Dodgers should probably start inquiring about the pitchers on
the A's staff. The A's won't have the money to keep all of their stars...so
maybe they would be willing to part with one of them for the right package
of players.

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To: ladodgers@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:35:11 -0000

Yep, apparently Nomo was pretty bad again.  One of the reasons we are
supposedly interested in Freddy Garcia from Seattle.  I don't think
you release him.  Maybe send him down to the minors so he continues
to get work until he looks better (arm gets stronger).  In short term
promote Edwin Jackson and see what he can do.  At the minimum he gets
more experience which is good as he'll probably be in our rotation
next year.  Nomo won't like it but he's sucked so he just needs to be
a man and suck it up.

Don't know what to say about Green.  He just seems to have regressed
to be an average player.  One rumor is the Dodgers trading for Carlos
Delgado and moving Green back to the outfield.  Not sure if that'll
actually happen.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, prettyrose33@a... wrote:
  >
  >   Well, I have to say that I didn't watch the game today, I just
caught the
  > last two outs.  I did read the box score though and it looks like
Nomo is back
  > where he has managed to be all season by allowing 7 runs in 5 1/3
inning.  I
  > don't know what to say.  His ERA is over 7 and with the way the
team has been
  > scoring runs we won't be able to score 8 in a game to guarantee him
a win.  I
  > don't know what the team does.  Release him?  We eat the rest of
his salary?
  > Do we move him to the pen and promote who?  Alvarez doesn't want to
start.
  > Another problem we have is Shawn Green.  He isn't getting any
better.  Is he
  > still injured?  If so, go on the DL because the team is only being
hurt with him
  > not even playing at 50%.  Who do we put at first then?  Ventura?
I'm not
  > taking anything away from Robin but he has done so much sitting
this season,
  > everyone knows that he is rusty and he is also the only guy on the
team without a
  > homerun.  I don't know what to say about that either.  Another
thing to make
  > note of is that the Padres are on out necks now and we could easily
slip to third
  > very soon and we are facing Anaheim this weekend, not an easy team
to beat
  > either.  This team has it's work cut out for them.
  >
  >

  >                                Kristin

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#2937 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:35 pm
Subject: Angels Series nezz39
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We need to start this series off with a win big time.

dan

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#2936 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: Today's Game nezz39
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Yep, apparently Nomo was pretty bad again.  One of the reasons we are
supposedly interested in Freddy Garcia from Seattle.  I don't think
you release him.  Maybe send him down to the minors so he continues
to get work until he looks better (arm gets stronger).  In short term
promote Edwin Jackson and see what he can do.  At the minimum he gets
more experience which is good as he'll probably be in our rotation
next year.  Nomo won't like it but he's sucked so he just needs to be
a man and suck it up.

Don't know what to say about Green.  He just seems to have regressed
to be an average player.  One rumor is the Dodgers trading for Carlos
Delgado and moving Green back to the outfield.  Not sure if that'll
actually happen.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, prettyrose33@a... wrote:
>
>   Well, I have to say that I didn't watch the game today, I just
caught the
> last two outs.  I did read the box score though and it looks like
Nomo is back
> where he has managed to be all season by allowing 7 runs in 5 1/3
inning.  I
> don't know what to say.  His ERA is over 7 and with the way the
team has been
> scoring runs we won't be able to score 8 in a game to guarantee him
a win.  I
> don't know what the team does.  Release him?  We eat the rest of
his salary?
> Do we move him to the pen and promote who?  Alvarez doesn't want to
start.
> Another problem we have is Shawn Green.  He isn't getting any
better.  Is he
> still injured?  If so, go on the DL because the team is only being
hurt with him
> not even playing at 50%.  Who do we put at first then?  Ventura?
I'm not
> taking anything away from Robin but he has done so much sitting
this season,
> everyone knows that he is rusty and he is also the only guy on the
team without a
> homerun.  I don't know what to say about that either.  Another
thing to make
> note of is that the Padres are on out necks now and we could easily
slip to third
> very soon and we are facing Anaheim this weekend, not an easy team
to beat
> either.  This team has it's work cut out for them.
>
>

>                                Kristin

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#2935 From: "nezz39" <nezz39@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: No Beltran - No Surprise! nezz39
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Good thing is that he didn't go to the Padres who were one of the
teams looking to acquire him.

dan

--- In ladodgers@yahoogroups.com, prettyrose33@a... wrote:
>
>   Well, Carlos Beltran was a part of a three team deal with him
going to the
> Astros for Octavio Dotel going to the A's.  A good more for the
Astros as
> Dotel has blown more than one lead for Clemens which has resulted
in him not
> getting a win to add to his illustrious career total.  The Royals
end up with three
> prospects, two from the A's and one from the Astros.  Good move for
Houston
> as they have had a rough patch lately and were able to free
themselves up with
> salary by dealing Richard Hidalgo to the Mets last week.
>
>

>                                 Kristin

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#2934 From: dodgerfan707@...
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:19 am
Subject: Re: The Giants have just scored ... midnightdrea...
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Coast to Coast with Art Bell? I miss that show? I thought he retired a few years ago to spend time with family...I hear a rumor he came back on part time basis...does he have a website?

In a message dated 6/24/2004 5:36:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, LADodgerFan@... writes:

Thursday, June 24. 2004.

The Giants have just scored their 2nd and 3rd runs, taking a 3-1 lead, and I have decided not to watch anymore of tonight's game. I've had more than enough frustration for this week. Lordy.

David, listening to an MP3 of last night's Coast To Coast AM program, in Palm Bay, Florida.

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