I've taken lessons from both South Padre Island Kiteboarding and
Kiteboarding Inc; they're both excellent and recommended. Kiteboarding Inc
goes out on a jetski with you while SPIK stays on shore...you'll learn
quicker with Kiteboarding Inc, but the lessons may be more expensive. You
will never (except to introduce other people to the sport) use your $100 +
trainer kite after your initial learning period; kite skills are critical
though. After your initial learning phase is over (two weeks -six months)
assuming you are 130 and hubby is 200, you will use a 14m as your light wind
kite (10-15mph) and he will use it in high winds only (22-30). I wouldn't
buy anything until after your South Padre lessons. Have fun and good luck!
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian and Kimberly [mailto:excelwithbrandkb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 3:19 PM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Sharing Kites
Hi There
My husband and I are considering taking up this exciting newer sport,
but we have a few questions. First of all we live in Michigan on a
decent sized inland lake. Both of us have experience w/ wakeboarding.
Here are my questions...
1. Can we share a kite? There is about a 70lb differnce in weight and
6" difference in height between the 2 of us. We were told to get a
12m kite for me and a 14m kite for him- can we just get a 14m kite
and I can use it at a shorter line length?
2. He has experience flying double handled kites, and is pretty good
at it. I have never flown a kite before. Is it totally necessary to
buy a trainer kite? If so, will we ever use it again after learning
the art of being out on the water w/ the real equipment?
3. We live in Michigan and are going to be traveling to South Padre,
Texas in February where we are planning on trying the sport for the
first time. We want to take lessons- any suggestions on good but
affordable instructors or schools down there?
Thanks so much!
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All good advice there Steve, seriously. However there is often a discovery made
when learning to kitesurf via a trainer kite?
That discovery is that it is actually fun to fly a power kite like a trainer
kite, just for the sake of it.
You may not appreciate why, and that is fine, but mant men and women discover
that flying a kite is actually very relaxing, because it is a form of exercise
that requires ones full attention, in the process ones daily worries are blown
away.
Best make an awesome trainer kite, so do many companies. Better still get a real
4 lined power kite on a bar like an Ozone Samurai 2 or 3M, or a Flexifoil Bullet
2.5M
Also the more a person has flown a trainer kite, the easier and quicker they
learn in a real kitesurfing lesson, saves money in the end because the need less
lessons, and thet still have a fun kite to fly when it is nuking, etc.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Sax, Steve, M.D.
To: 'ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: [ksurfschool] Sharing Kites
I've taken lessons from both South Padre Island Kiteboarding and
Kiteboarding Inc; they're both excellent and recommended. Kiteboarding Inc
goes out on a jetski with you while SPIK stays on shore...you'll learn
quicker with Kiteboarding Inc, but the lessons may be more expensive. You
will never (except to introduce other people to the sport) use your $100 +
trainer kite after your initial learning period; kite skills are critical
though. After your initial learning phase is over (two weeks -six months)
assuming you are 130 and hubby is 200, you will use a 14m as your light wind
kite (10-15mph) and he will use it in high winds only (22-30). I wouldn't
buy anything until after your South Padre lessons. Have fun and good luck!
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian and Kimberly [mailto:excelwithbrandkb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 3:19 PM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Sharing Kites
Hi There
My husband and I are considering taking up this exciting newer sport,
but we have a few questions. First of all we live in Michigan on a
decent sized inland lake. Both of us have experience w/ wakeboarding.
Here are my questions...
1. Can we share a kite? There is about a 70lb differnce in weight and
6" difference in height between the 2 of us. We were told to get a
12m kite for me and a 14m kite for him- can we just get a 14m kite
and I can use it at a shorter line length?
2. He has experience flying double handled kites, and is pretty good
at it. I have never flown a kite before. Is it totally necessary to
buy a trainer kite? If so, will we ever use it again after learning
the art of being out on the water w/ the real equipment?
3. We live in Michigan and are going to be traveling to South Padre,
Texas in February where we are planning on trying the sport for the
first time. We want to take lessons- any suggestions on good but
affordable instructors or schools down there?
Thanks so much!
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Of course you can share any kite with your husband but
because you're a lot lighter your windrange will be
different. I think the best thing is that you get at
least 2 kites if you can afford it (maybe a 14 and a
10), then the wind is medium strong you can both be on
the water and then it's light you'll be able to use
the 14 ;) (and then it's really strong wind your
husband can go out with the 10).
I think that a trainer kite is a good idee. I used a
delta kite to learn the basics (it's better if you can
get a small 4 line foil), still use it sometimes then
the wind is too light for kitesurf. It's also great to
have if people shows interest in the sport! If you got
ice during the winter you can also use your trainer
kite for iceskating!!
/Jakob
--- "Kitepower (Sydney)" <sydney@...>
skrev:
---------------------------------
All good advice there Steve, seriously. However there
is often a discovery made when learning to kitesurf
via a trainer kite?
That discovery is that it is actually fun to fly a
power kite like a trainer kite, just for the sake of
it.
You may not appreciate why, and that is fine, but mant
men and women discover that flying a kite is actually
very relaxing, because it is a form of exercise that
requires ones full attention, in the process ones
daily worries are blown away.
Best make an awesome trainer kite, so do many
companies. Better still get a real 4 lined power kite
on a bar like an Ozone Samurai 2 or 3M, or a Flexifoil
Bullet 2.5M
Also the more a person has flown a trainer kite, the
easier and quicker they learn in a real kitesurfing
lesson, saves money in the end because the need less
lessons, and thet still have a fun kite to fly when it
is nuking, etc.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Sax, Steve, M.D.
To: 'ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: [ksurfschool] Sharing Kites
I've taken lessons from both South Padre Island
Kiteboarding and
Kiteboarding Inc; they're both excellent and
recommended. Kiteboarding Inc
goes out on a jetski with you while SPIK stays on
shore...you'll learn
quicker with Kiteboarding Inc, but the lessons may
be more expensive. You
will never (except to introduce other people to the
sport) use your $100 +
trainer kite after your initial learning period;
kite skills are critical
though. After your initial learning phase is over
(two weeks -six months)
assuming you are 130 and hubby is 200, you will use
a 14m as your light wind
kite (10-15mph) and he will use it in high winds
only (22-30). I wouldn't
buy anything until after your South Padre lessons.
Have fun and good luck!
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian and Kimberly
[mailto:excelwithbrandkb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 3:19 PM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Sharing Kites
Hi There
My husband and I are considering taking up this
exciting newer sport,
but we have a few questions. First of all we live in
Michigan on a
decent sized inland lake. Both of us have experience
w/ wakeboarding.
Here are my questions...
1. Can we share a kite? There is about a 70lb
differnce in weight and
6" difference in height between the 2 of us. We were
told to get a
12m kite for me and a 14m kite for him- can we just
get a 14m kite
and I can use it at a shorter line length?
2. He has experience flying double handled kites,
and is pretty good
at it. I have never flown a kite before. Is it
totally necessary to
buy a trainer kite? If so, will we ever use it again
after learning
the art of being out on the water w/ the real
equipment?
3. We live in Michigan and are going to be traveling
to South Padre,
Texas in February where we are planning on trying
the sport for the
first time. We want to take lessons- any suggestions
on good but
affordable instructors or schools down there?
Thanks so much!
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RealKiteBoarding has a bunch of 2001 wipika 5.5 meter flight kites. They are
the high wind kite
of choice for wave riding down there. (I mean really high, like 35-40 MPH.)
But in 10-16 they
make a GREAT training kite (I am 175 lbs). Just enough to pull me along on my
rear on the sand if
I dive it hard. I think realkiteboarding is selling them for like 199 bucks, so
they are cheaper
than a training kite, can be used as a real kite, are full wipika 4 line
inflatable hydro designs
from 2001.
Tom
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Brian & Kimberly,
I would also like to add the value of getting a trainer kite slightly
larger, 3.6 sq. meters and being able to have a snow kite as well as
a really nice fun trainer kite. 3.5 sq. meters will have more
feedback(pull) and be perfect for doing training exercises. Most
people have the mind set that a trainer kite is simply to teach you
to fly the kite, but it has much more value than this.. You can do
simulated riding exercises and simulated water start exercises on
land with the kite to learn the dynamics of changing the power
strokes of the kite and much more!!
I highly suggest the Ballistic 3.6 quad line kite:
http://www.4kiteboarding.com/trainkitpac.html There are also
exercises on this page to practice with the trainer kite. In
Michigan, I am assuming you have a great snow season and can use this
kite for Snow Kiting in the winter!!
You should get two kiteboarding kites as you will never be competing
for the same kite size. Your 12.0 kite will become his high wind
kite when you are overpowered, etc.
Chris M. Moore
Kitty Hawk Kites Kiteboarding Centers
PASA examiner
252-207-1639
chris@...
>
> Hi There
> My husband and I are considering taking up this exciting newer
sport,
> but we have a few questions. First of all we live in Michigan on a
> decent sized inland lake. Both of us have experience w/
wakeboarding.
> Here are my questions...
> 1. Can we share a kite? There is about a 70lb differnce in weight
and
> 6" difference in height between the 2 of us. We were told to get a
> 12m kite for me and a 14m kite for him- can we just get a 14m kite
> and I can use it at a shorter line length?
> 2. He has experience flying double handled kites, and is pretty
good
> at it. I have never flown a kite before. Is it totally necessary to
> buy a trainer kite? If so, will we ever use it again after learning
> the art of being out on the water w/ the real equipment?
> 3. We live in Michigan and are going to be traveling to South
Padre,
> Texas in February where we are planning on trying the sport for the
> first time. We want to take lessons- any suggestions on good but
> affordable instructors or schools down there?
>
> Thanks so much!
I am a newby, just took lessions from Ikarus in playa del carmen, I
have a question on the power-depower strap and sheeting the bar in
and out, are these ajustments close to being the same? (power wise)
Pulling and releaseing the strap
and bar in and bar out, (not going into how the kite is trimed,
keeping it simple) say you do one or the other? does the kite seem
to have the same depower from each? or power up?
thanks............
As an aside, I went to the beach with my 3 year old son and the 5.5 kite I
mentioned. I hooked it
into my harness and sat down and he stood behind (BEHIND!) me and held my
shoulders as I flew the
kite. I would then say "mmm nice day, just flying my kite, not really too
windy.. ooo oo oo watch
out!" at which point I would dive it and get dragged away from him, or with him
hanging on, all
the while laughing our heads off. Another day I took my wife and let her try
flying it in shallow
water and she had a blast getting dragged around. I plan on using it with
rollerblades some day
and prehaps with my snowboard, so yes get a bigger one that you can have a fun
with in the future!
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Pulling in the depower strap has the effect of
depowering the kite, which is more for fine tuning the
power of the kite and when launching and landing
(depower as much as possible with the strap and then
unhook completely from the bar). Always launch and
land unhooked. Pulling in on the depower strap causes
the kite to fly more from the front lines. When you
let the bar out, it also depowers the kite, although
more than the depower strap does, depending on the
amount of adjustment the depower strap has.
--- kent larson <cklarson@...> wrote:
>
> I am a newby, just took lessions from Ikarus in
> playa del carmen, I
> have a question on the power-depower strap and
> sheeting the bar in
> and out, are these ajustments close to being the
> same? (power wise)
> Pulling and releaseing the strap
> and bar in and bar out, (not going into how the kite
> is trimed,
> keeping it simple) say you do one or the other? does
> the kite seem
> to have the same depower from each? or power up?
> thanks............
>
>
>
>
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--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Brian and Kimberly" <excelwithbrandkb@y...>
wrote:
>
> Hi There
> My husband and I are considering taking up this exciting newer sport,
> but we have a few questions. First of all we live in Michigan on a
> decent sized inland lake. Both of us have experience w/ wakeboarding.
> Here are my questions...
> 1. Can we share a kite? There is about a 70lb differnce in weight and
> 6" difference in height between the 2 of us. We were told to get a
> 12m kite for me and a 14m kite for him- can we just get a 14m kite
> and I can use it at a shorter line length?
> 2. He has experience flying double handled kites, and is pretty good
> at it. I have never flown a kite before. Is it totally necessary to
> buy a trainer kite? If so, will we ever use it again after learning
> the art of being out on the water w/ the real equipment?
> 3. We live in Michigan and are going to be traveling to South Padre,
> Texas in February where we are planning on trying the sport for the
> first time. We want to take lessons- any suggestions on good but
> affordable instructors or schools down there?
>
> Thanks so much!
.........counterpoint to the instructors who basically only see people learning
to walk the
first time - when this is a running sport, and people who will fiddle their time
away with
little kites 'on the beach' (which happens to be THE single most dangerous place
for us)
I'd say; do not buy anything beyond a teeny little 2-line kite that you can give
to some kid
to play with later. Small kites, outside snow and landboards, are generally
useless to most
mortals.
Focus completely on your trip to Padre...don't get sucked into those multi-kite
'deals'
beforehand...and don't learn bad habits, like many of us did, in the backyard.
There's
plenty of good resources down there - one I'd look into is Jeff Howard. He's
the ponytailed
guy on the Boost instruction videos and probably one of the more honest guys in
the
trade. Google him to find the name of his shop. You'd also have a good
instruction in any
of a number of spots in Hatteras, but not in Feb - it's too frickin cold.
Have fun - safely.
Jim
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KTM is the first formal Kite Teaching Methodology for most disciplines
of kiting: kitesurfing, kitesnowboarding, kiteskiing and
kitelandboarding (kiteboating will be included soon). KTM will include
all types of kites instead of focusing on a particular type (such as
LEI) as in other methodologies.
KTM has been developed, applied in real-world teaching and improved in
the last few years.
KTM is intended to be "open source" which can be used and improved by
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Hung.
Bill Torreyson wrote:
>What is the KTM method?
>
>--- Hung Vu <hungvu2000@...> wrote:
>
> > If a kiter got properly trained using the KTM method
> > than whether the
> > kiter kites on snow and water, the kiter should have
> > the same safety
> > knowledge and skill to avoid accidents.
> >
> > This is a very freaky accident as according to some
> > source, Laurence has
> > already depowered the kite...
> >
> > Hung.
> >
> > flkitesurfer wrote:
> >
> > >It is sad news indeed. My sincere regrets go out
> > to the man's family
> > >and friends.
> > >
> > >It would appear that the man was caught in an
> > unusually strong wind
> > >gust (reportedly 18 gusting to 68 mph in less than
> > a minute) near the
> > >leading edge of a cold front. This was an extreme,
> > unexpected severe
> > >weather event. I wonder what the susceptability of
> > snow kiteboarders
> > >is like to lessor gusts? What constitutes
> > "excessively gusty" winds
> > >for snow kiteboarders?
> > >
> > >I am not certain where snow kiteboarding is at the
> > current time with
> > >regard to weather planning and monitoring. Such
> > preparations and
> > >monitoring have been promoted in water kiteboarding
> > for years as a
> > >result of early accidents. Even with that an
> > unacceptably high
> > >percentage of kiteboarders are still not
> > sufficiently sensitive to
> > >this serious hazard. Excessive gusts figured in 4
> > of the 5 recent
> > >water kiteboarding fatalities. Some people have
> > little concern over
> > >riding in squalls. I wonder if the same
> > complacence is evident in
> > >snow kiteboarders?
> > >
> > >Can anyone comment on what orientation new snow
> > kiteboarders are given
> > >to weather considerations? What do you look out
> > for in weather
> > >planning and monitoring for a snow kiteboarding
> > session?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >FKA, Inc.
> > >
> > >transcribed by:
> > >Rick Iossi
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Hung Vu
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> > > >
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This question applies to water start and normal flying...
I use a Naish bar with chicken hook and harness line. I often dive the
kite [in the chicken loop only] unhooked from the harness loop put with
hand pressure on the bar. Even if I start the dive with a turn
backwards, it seems that the kite ends up too close the wind window
edge and with not much initial power. On the plus side, it seems to
put me in a setup that I go upwind, but not superfast.
I've tried:
- diving in both harness loop and chicken loop
- slight backward move before diving
Any thoughts to get me more on a plane and more power?
I am looking to buy me first Kite. I have had a lesson and will be
having another before purchasing a kite. I have been advised by
different stores to (not surprisingly) buy different equipment.
One thing I am considering is the North Vegas. This appeals to me as
it has the "5th Element" string which apparently makes water
relaunch much simplier.
Has anyone has expierience with this and is this whole "5th Element"
important or just a gimmic.
Thanks in advance
G'day Stephen
Sure the 2 or more stores advise on different gear, but they should be
recommending similar sizes?
What have they suggested?
The only advice I could give you regarding North or Naish style 5th
element/shift 5th line systems, is avoid them for now, and learn how to
re-launch a kite in the conventional/normal way. Your lessons should include how
to re-launch the normal way, and then you need to go away and practice that a
couple of dozen times before venturing near those brands, systems.
If you just fit a full length 5th line, then that does not have the issue of the
satety leash not working if there are several spins in the centre line like on
the North or Naish systems.
There is a degree of hype/gimmic promotion involved in the 2 systems mentioned,
what is being overlooked is the danger of spins preventing the leash from
working properly.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: stephen9637
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: [ksurfschool] Buying First Kite - Help needed!
I am looking to buy me first Kite. I have had a lesson and will be
having another before purchasing a kite. I have been advised by
different stores to (not surprisingly) buy different equipment.
One thing I am considering is the North Vegas. This appeals to me as
it has the "5th Element" string which apparently makes water
relaunch much simplier.
Has anyone has expierience with this and is this whole "5th Element"
important or just a gimmic.
Thanks in advance
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It's is amazing how simple a 4 lines LEI kite is and how "invincible" it
is. There is no other kitesurfing kites (or kites in general) where one
can simply attach 4 lines to the kite itself (not bridle) and be able to
fly, steer and change the AOA of the kite. Remember that Peter Lynn
simply copied the LEI concept to a foil (this action from Peter actually
has given incredible respect to Bruno's invention).
I kited using 2 lines LEI kites long time ago (too long to remember ;-)
and the kite used to flip over itself and the bridle making it is
impossible to kite anymore. This is is not a problem with 4 line LEIs
as everyone knows. No matter how the kite turns and toses, one can
always kite.
So I back up Steve's comments about learning on a conventional 4 lines
LEI for now until you really need 5th line. (you will know when you need
it).
P.S., Someone has mentioned to me that 5th line, element, dimension or
whatsoever is a "kite killer", but that is another story...
Hung.
Kitepower (Sydney) wrote:
>G'day Stephen
>Sure the 2 or more stores advise on different gear, but they should be
>recommending similar sizes?
>What have they suggested?
>The only advice I could give you regarding North or Naish style 5th
>element/shift 5th line systems, is avoid them for now, and learn how to
>re-launch a kite in the conventional/normal way. Your lessons should include
how
>to re-launch the normal way, and then you need to go away and practice that a
>couple of dozen times before venturing near those brands, systems.
>If you just fit a full length 5th line, then that does not have the issue of
the
>satety leash not working if there are several spins in the centre line like on
>the North or Naish systems.
>There is a degree of hype/gimmic promotion involved in the 2 systems mentioned,
>what is being overlooked is the danger of spins preventing the leash from
>working properly.
>
>
>Cya and
>Goodwinds
>Steve McCormack
>www.kitepower.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: stephen9637
> To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: [ksurfschool] Buying First Kite - Help needed!
>
>
>
> I am looking to buy me first Kite. I have had a lesson and will be
> having another before purchasing a kite. I have been advised by
> different stores to (not surprisingly) buy different equipment.
>
> One thing I am considering is the North Vegas. This appeals to me as
> it has the "5th Element" string which apparently makes water
> relaunch much simplier.
>
> Has anyone has expierience with this and is this whole "5th Element"
> important or just a gimmic.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks for the replys - this is very useful.
Both stores suggested the same kite size (14m).
So if the 5th Element system is not for me is there anything else I
should look out for - Other brands suggested include Oceon Rodeo and
Naish.
Again many thanks
Stephen
--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kitepower \(Sydney\)"
<sydney@k...> wrote:
> G'day Stephen
> Sure the 2 or more stores advise on different gear, but they
should be recommending similar sizes?
> What have they suggested?
> The only advice I could give you regarding North or Naish style
5th element/shift 5th line systems, is avoid them for now, and learn
how to re-launch a kite in the conventional/normal way. Your lessons
should include how to re-launch the normal way, and then you need to
go away and practice that a couple of dozen times before venturing
near those brands, systems.
> If you just fit a full length 5th line, then that does not have
the issue of the satety leash not working if there are several spins
in the centre line like on the North or Naish systems.
> There is a degree of hype/gimmic promotion involved in the 2
systems mentioned, what is being overlooked is the danger of spins
preventing the leash from working properly.
>
>
> Cya and
> Goodwinds
> Steve McCormack
> www.kitepower.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: stephen9637
> To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: [ksurfschool] Buying First Kite - Help needed!
>
>
>
> I am looking to buy me first Kite. I have had a lesson and will
be
> having another before purchasing a kite. I have been advised by
> different stores to (not surprisingly) buy different equipment.
>
> One thing I am considering is the North Vegas. This appeals to
me as
> it has the "5th Element" string which apparently makes water
> relaunch much simplier.
>
> Has anyone has expierience with this and is this whole "5th
Element"
> important or just a gimmic.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>
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The Naish Boxer is a good place to start, but OR make decent kites too.
If you weigh in the vicinity of 85kg+ and get winds averaging 10 to 25 knots the
14M is a good size to start with.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: stephen9637
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:01 PM
Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: Buying First Kite - Help needed!
Thanks for the replys - this is very useful.
Both stores suggested the same kite size (14m).
So if the 5th Element system is not for me is there anything else I
should look out for - Other brands suggested include Oceon Rodeo and
Naish.
Again many thanks
Stephen
--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kitepower \(Sydney\)"
<sydney@k...> wrote:
> G'day Stephen
> Sure the 2 or more stores advise on different gear, but they
should be recommending similar sizes?
> What have they suggested?
> The only advice I could give you regarding North or Naish style
5th element/shift 5th line systems, is avoid them for now, and learn
how to re-launch a kite in the conventional/normal way. Your lessons
should include how to re-launch the normal way, and then you need to
go away and practice that a couple of dozen times before venturing
near those brands, systems.
> If you just fit a full length 5th line, then that does not have
the issue of the satety leash not working if there are several spins
in the centre line like on the North or Naish systems.
> There is a degree of hype/gimmic promotion involved in the 2
systems mentioned, what is being overlooked is the danger of spins
preventing the leash from working properly.
>
>
> Cya and
> Goodwinds
> Steve McCormack
> www.kitepower.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: stephen9637
> To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:18 AM
> Subject: [ksurfschool] Buying First Kite - Help needed!
>
>
>
> I am looking to buy me first Kite. I have had a lesson and will
be
> having another before purchasing a kite. I have been advised by
> different stores to (not surprisingly) buy different equipment.
>
> One thing I am considering is the North Vegas. This appeals to
me as
> it has the "5th Element" string which apparently makes water
> relaunch much simplier.
>
> Has anyone has expierience with this and is this whole "5th
Element"
> important or just a gimmic.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>
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The following factors apply:
1. wind speed
2. kite size
3. board size
4. rider/kiter weight
Any one can result in an underpowered situation which
can be frustrating. If you have sufficient power to
stay upwind, albeit slow, you are doing fine. If you
want more speed or power, you need an increase in #1
or #2 above or bear off and go downwind. With regard
to water starting in lighter winds, I usually start
off in the chicken loop and bring the kite backwards
20 degrees off zenith (2 o-clock if you are going to
your left) and then dive the kite while aiming my
board downwind. I pull in on the bar after diving the
kite to increase the angle of attack producing more
power. Once I have sufficient power, I ease out the
bar to get the kite the the edge of the window and
edge the board so I can stay upwind. I usually never
hook into the harness lines on the bar, only the
chicken loop. The kite will fly upwind faster on the
front lines which produces more power with faster
turning.
Hope this helps,
George
--- Chris Cowart <cowartc@...> wrote:
> This question applies to water start and normal
> flying...
>
> I use a Naish bar with chicken hook and harness
> line. I often dive the
> kite [in the chicken loop only] unhooked from the
> harness loop put with
> hand pressure on the bar. Even if I start the dive
> with a turn
> backwards, it seems that the kite ends up too close
> the wind window
> edge and with not much initial power. On the plus
> side, it seems to
> put me in a setup that I go upwind, but not
> superfast.
>
> I've tried:
> - diving in both harness loop and chicken loop
> - slight backward move before diving
>
> Any thoughts to get me more on a plane and more
> power?
>
>
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George,
Thanks for the summary and tips. To some extent, I have experimented
with each of those factors.
When I try to bring the kite backwards to start, I dive it
aggressively, but have two bad habits:
- i tend to dive too low and bring it up, killing power
- i will try to head the board upwind too quickly rather than getting
fully planing before trimming upwind
On diving, do you use positive, negative steering, or both?
Can't wait to get back in the water here in SF bay.
Thanks, Chris
On Jan 12, 2005, at 6:55 PM, ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: How to fly the kite in the correct position
> From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:26:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
> Subject: Re: How to fly the kite in the correct position
>
> The following factors apply:
>
> 1. wind speed
> 2. kite size
> 3. board size
> 4. rider/kiter weight
>
> Any one can result in an underpowered situation which
> can be frustrating. If you have sufficient power to
> stay upwind, albeit slow, you are doing fine. If you
> want more speed or power, you need an increase in #1
> or #2 above or bear off and go downwind. With regard
> to water starting in lighter winds, I usually start
> off in the chicken loop and bring the kite backwards
> 20 degrees off zenith (2 o-clock if you are going to
> your left) and then dive the kite while aiming my
> board downwind. I pull in on the bar after diving the
> kite to increase the angle of attack producing more
> power. Once I have sufficient power, I ease out the
> bar to get the kite the the edge of the window and
> edge the board so I can stay upwind. I usually never
> hook into the harness lines on the bar, only the
> chicken loop. The kite will fly upwind faster on the
> front lines which produces more power with faster
> turning.
>
> Hope this helps,
> George
> --- Chris Cowart <cowartc@...> wrote:
>
>> This question applies to water start and normal
>> flying...
>>
>> I use a Naish bar with chicken hook and harness
>> line. I often dive the
>> kite [in the chicken loop only] unhooked from the
>> harness loop put with
>> hand pressure on the bar. Even if I start the dive
>> with a turn
>> backwards, it seems that the kite ends up too close
>> the wind window
>> edge and with not much initial power. On the plus
>> side, it seems to
>> put me in a setup that I go upwind, but not
>> superfast.
>>
>> I've tried:
>> - diving in both harness loop and chicken loop
>> - slight backward move before diving
>>
>> Any thoughts to get me more on a plane and more
>> power?
>>
>>
>
>
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Chris,
To be honest, I am not familiar with positive or
negative steering. However, I failed to mention that
on the upstroke of the kite I push the bar away from
me depowering the kite so that it flys faster upward.
Otherwise I find that it loses speed and power flying
upward. This mostly happens with my largest
kite(21.5m) when I am way underpowered as it is a very
slow moving kite. When I have to sine the kite to
keep powered up, on the downstroke of the kite I pull
in on the bar and on the upstroke ease the bar out.
If I cannot stay upwind, I usually come in as where I
kiteboard there is not a long beach where I can go
downwind and easily walk back upwind along the beach.
George
--- Chris Cowart <cowartc@...> wrote:
> George,
>
> Thanks for the summary and tips. To some extent, I
> have experimented
> with each of those factors.
>
> When I try to bring the kite backwards to start, I
> dive it
> aggressively, but have two bad habits:
> - i tend to dive too low and bring it up, killing
> power
> - i will try to head the board upwind too quickly
> rather than getting
> fully planing before trimming upwind
>
> On diving, do you use positive, negative steering,
> or both?
>
> Can't wait to get back in the water here in SF bay.
>
> Thanks, Chris
>
> On Jan 12, 2005, at 6:55 PM,
> ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > There is 1 message in this issue.
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> > 1. Re: How to fly the kite in the correct
> position
> > From: George Sarris
> <jakefarley2000@...>
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:26:37 -0800 (PST)
> > From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
> > Subject: Re: How to fly the kite in the correct
> position
> >
> > The following factors apply:
> >
> > 1. wind speed
> > 2. kite size
> > 3. board size
> > 4. rider/kiter weight
> >
> > Any one can result in an underpowered situation
> which
> > can be frustrating. If you have sufficient power
> to
> > stay upwind, albeit slow, you are doing fine. If
> you
> > want more speed or power, you need an increase in
> #1
> > or #2 above or bear off and go downwind. With
> regard
> > to water starting in lighter winds, I usually
> start
> > off in the chicken loop and bring the kite
> backwards
> > 20 degrees off zenith (2 o-clock if you are going
> to
> > your left) and then dive the kite while aiming my
> > board downwind. I pull in on the bar after diving
> the
> > kite to increase the angle of attack producing
> more
> > power. Once I have sufficient power, I ease out
> the
> > bar to get the kite the the edge of the window and
> > edge the board so I can stay upwind. I usually
> never
> > hook into the harness lines on the bar, only the
> > chicken loop. The kite will fly upwind faster on
> the
> > front lines which produces more power with faster
> > turning.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > George
> > --- Chris Cowart <cowartc@...> wrote:
> >
> >> This question applies to water start and normal
> >> flying...
> >>
> >> I use a Naish bar with chicken hook and harness
> >> line. I often dive the
> >> kite [in the chicken loop only] unhooked from the
> >> harness loop put with
> >> hand pressure on the bar. Even if I start the
> dive
> >> with a turn
> >> backwards, it seems that the kite ends up too
> close
> >> the wind window
> >> edge and with not much initial power. On the
> plus
> >> side, it seems to
> >> put me in a setup that I go upwind, but not
> >> superfast.
> >>
> >> I've tried:
> >> - diving in both harness loop and chicken loop
> >> - slight backward move before diving
> >>
> >> Any thoughts to get me more on a plane and more
> >> power?
> >>
> >>
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Hi Chris
I have been involved in teraching people to fly kites and kitesurfing
instruction for around 12 years, I have never heard of positive or negative
steering?
What do you mean by this?
Did someone teach you about positive or negative steering?
I suspect that your terminology is out of whack with what is commonly used,
thats all.
Most people refer to pulling the bar towards you as sheeting in, and pushing it
away as sheeting out. This is not steering the kite though it is just adjusting
the kites angle of attack by altering the relative lengths of the front to rear
lines.
You are not really "Bringing the kite backwards" either, unless the kite is so
baldy tuned that you can actually fly it backwards?
As George said, pull in on the bar as the kite flies towards the water or down,
then release that pressure just before the bottom of the down stroke and turn
the kite upwards, tightly, and then push the bar away until the kite is
accelerating upwards, as it speeds up you can pull back on the bar a bit more,
getting ready to turn the kite tightly to make another downstroke.
Point the board downwind until you are fully planing
Practice going out in a bit more wind?
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Cowart
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 1193
George,
Thanks for the summary and tips. To some extent, I have experimented
with each of those factors.
When I try to bring the kite backwards to start, I dive it
aggressively, but have two bad habits:
- i tend to dive too low and bring it up, killing power
- i will try to head the board upwind too quickly rather than getting
fully planing before trimming upwind
On diving, do you use positive, negative steering, or both?
Can't wait to get back in the water here in SF bay.
Thanks, Chris
On Jan 12, 2005, at 6:55 PM, ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: How to fly the kite in the correct position
> From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:26:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
> Subject: Re: How to fly the kite in the correct position
>
> The following factors apply:
>
> 1. wind speed
> 2. kite size
> 3. board size
> 4. rider/kiter weight
>
> Any one can result in an underpowered situation which
> can be frustrating. If you have sufficient power to
> stay upwind, albeit slow, you are doing fine. If you
> want more speed or power, you need an increase in #1
> or #2 above or bear off and go downwind. With regard
> to water starting in lighter winds, I usually start
> off in the chicken loop and bring the kite backwards
> 20 degrees off zenith (2 o-clock if you are going to
> your left) and then dive the kite while aiming my
> board downwind. I pull in on the bar after diving the
> kite to increase the angle of attack producing more
> power. Once I have sufficient power, I ease out the
> bar to get the kite the the edge of the window and
> edge the board so I can stay upwind. I usually never
> hook into the harness lines on the bar, only the
> chicken loop. The kite will fly upwind faster on the
> front lines which produces more power with faster
> turning.
>
> Hope this helps,
> George
> --- Chris Cowart <cowartc@...> wrote:
>
>> This question applies to water start and normal
>> flying...
>>
>> I use a Naish bar with chicken hook and harness
>> line. I often dive the
>> kite [in the chicken loop only] unhooked from the
>> harness loop put with
>> hand pressure on the bar. Even if I start the dive
>> with a turn
>> backwards, it seems that the kite ends up too close
>> the wind window
>> edge and with not much initial power. On the plus
>> side, it seems to
>> put me in a setup that I go upwind, but not
>> superfast.
>>
>> I've tried:
>> - diving in both harness loop and chicken loop
>> - slight backward move before diving
>>
>> Any thoughts to get me more on a plane and more
>> power?
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Hey guys,
I just got my kite boarding equipment and tried to get
up on the board...whuile being pulled by a
boat...unfortunately, it didn't work...Yeah, even this
time of the year we have once in a while decent
weather in NC (80 degrees :-)
Should I bend my knees and have the knees touch my
chest? Would that help? I try to get sufficient on teh
board before I try the board kite
combination...anybody?
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up on the board...whuile being pulled by a
boat...
Hi Frank!
Was you pulled by a boat like wakeboarding?! In one
way this is much more difficult as you got only
horizontal pull. You should learn it with a kite that
give you pull at ~30-45 degrees... much easier to get
up on the board...
god luck!
Jakob
Hi Frank
It helps a bit in that you would be familiar with how your board will feel, BUT
the main skill you need to MASTER in kiteboarding is KITE CONTROL! Focus on that
first and foremost and you will learn quickly.
Get lessons if you need them.
Always point a board at the source of the traction (kite) until planing and then
steer/edge away from the source (kite) once on a steady plane to gain control
over your board speed and direction.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:54 PM
Subject: [ksurfschool] board training
Hey guys,
I just got my kite boarding equipment and tried to get
up on the board...whuile being pulled by a
boat...unfortunately, it didn't work...Yeah, even this
time of the year we have once in a while decent
weather in NC (80 degrees :-)
Should I bend my knees and have the knees touch my
chest? Would that help? I try to get sufficient on teh
board before I try the board kite
combination...anybody?
FF
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Steve,
I learned the positive and negative steering terms from watching the
KITES DVD. www.kiteboardcenter.com.
Negative steering - pulling on one side of the bar
Positive steering - pushing on one side of the bar
I hadn't heard those terms either.
Chris
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: Digest Number 1193
> From: "Kitepower \(Sydney\)" <sydney@...>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:15:29 +1100
> From: "Kitepower \(Sydney\)" <sydney@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1193
>
> Hi Chris
> I have been involved in teraching people to fly kites and kitesurfing
> instruction for around 12 years, I have never heard of positive or
> negative steering?
> What do you mean by this?
> Did someone teach you about positive or negative steering?
>
> I suspect that your terminology is out of whack with what is commonly
> used, thats all.
>
> Most people refer to pulling the bar towards you as sheeting in, and
> pushing it away as sheeting out. This is not steering the kite though
> it is just adjusting the kites angle of attack by altering the
> relative lengths of the front to rear lines.
>
> You are not really "Bringing the kite backwards" either, unless the
> kite is so baldy tuned that you can actually fly it backwards?
>
> As George said, pull in on the bar as the kite flies towards the water
> or down, then release that pressure just before the bottom of the down
> stroke and turn the kite upwards, tightly, and then push the bar away
> until the kite is accelerating upwards, as it speeds up you can pull
> back on the bar a bit more, getting ready to turn the kite tightly to
> make another downstroke.
>
> Point the board downwind until you are fully planing
>
> Practice going out in a bit more wind?
>
>
> Cya and
> Goodwinds
> Steve McCormack
> www.kitepower.com.au
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Cowart
> To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 1193
>
>
> George,
>
> Thanks for the summary and tips. To some extent, I have experimented
> with each of those factors.
>
> When I try to bring the kite backwards to start, I dive it
> aggressively, but have two bad habits:
> - i tend to dive too low and bring it up, killing power
> - i will try to head the board upwind too quickly rather than getting
> fully planing before trimming upwind
>
> On diving, do you use positive, negative steering, or both?
>
> Can't wait to get back in the water here in SF bay.
>
> Thanks, Chris
>
> On Jan 12, 2005, at 6:55 PM, ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> There is 1 message in this issue.
>>
>> Topics in this digest:
>>
>> 1. Re: How to fly the kite in the correct position
>> From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:26:37 -0800 (PST)
>> From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
>> Subject: Re: How to fly the kite in the correct position
>>
>> The following factors apply:
>>
>> 1. wind speed
>> 2. kite size
>> 3. board size
>> 4. rider/kiter weight
>>
>> Any one can result in an underpowered situation which
>> can be frustrating. If you have sufficient power to
>> stay upwind, albeit slow, you are doing fine. If you
>> want more speed or power, you need an increase in #1
>> or #2 above or bear off and go downwind. With regard
>> to water starting in lighter winds, I usually start
>> off in the chicken loop and bring the kite backwards
>> 20 degrees off zenith (2 o-clock if you are going to
>> your left) and then dive the kite while aiming my
>> board downwind. I pull in on the bar after diving the
>> kite to increase the angle of attack producing more
>> power. Once I have sufficient power, I ease out the
>> bar to get the kite the the edge of the window and
>> edge the board so I can stay upwind. I usually never
>> hook into the harness lines on the bar, only the
>> chicken loop. The kite will fly upwind faster on the
>> front lines which produces more power with faster
>> turning.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> George
>> --- Chris Cowart <cowartc@...> wrote:
>>
>>> This question applies to water start and normal
>>> flying...
>>>
>>> I use a Naish bar with chicken hook and harness
>>> line. I often dive the
>>> kite [in the chicken loop only] unhooked from the
>>> harness loop put with
>>> hand pressure on the bar. Even if I start the dive
>>> with a turn
>>> backwards, it seems that the kite ends up too close
>>> the wind window
>>> edge and with not much initial power. On the plus
>>> side, it seems to
>>> put me in a setup that I go upwind, but not
>>> superfast.
>>>
>>> I've tried:
>>> - diving in both harness loop and chicken loop
>>> - slight backward move before diving
>>>
>>> Any thoughts to get me more on a plane and more
>>> power?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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now that is an idea :-)
I will, thanks a bunch!
Got to wait until March Though...too cold :-)
FF
--- jakob Thegerström <jakobjth@...> wrote:
> up on the board...whuile being pulled by a
> boat...
>
> Hi Frank!
> Was you pulled by a boat like wakeboarding?! In one
> way this is much more difficult as you got only
> horizontal pull. You should learn it with a kite
> that
> give you pull at ~30-45 degrees... much easier to
> get
> up on the board...
>
> god luck!
> Jakob
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Oh that explains it, John Holzall the creator of the KITES System and DVD is a
great instructor, but he sure has some interesting terminology. The kite
industry has used the term push or pull turns for the last 20+ years, but John
did not come to kiteboarding from the kite industry.
Stick with pull turning the kite most of the time, when you can comfortably
control the kite experiment with push turning, push turning is the opposite of
pull turning, but the kite only understands one command turn in the direction of
the tightest line.
So if you push left, the kite turns right and vice versa, understand?
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Cowart
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 1195
Steve,
I learned the positive and negative steering terms from watching the
KITES DVD. www.kiteboardcenter.com.
Negative steering - pulling on one side of the bar
Positive steering - pushing on one side of the bar
I hadn't heard those terms either.
Chris
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> From: "Kitepower \(Sydney\)" <sydney@...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:15:29 +1100
> From: "Kitepower \(Sydney\)" <sydney@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1193
>
> Hi Chris
> I have been involved in teraching people to fly kites and kitesurfing
> instruction for around 12 years, I have never heard of positive or
> negative steering?
> What do you mean by this?
> Did someone teach you about positive or negative steering?
>
> I suspect that your terminology is out of whack with what is commonly
> used, thats all.
>
> Most people refer to pulling the bar towards you as sheeting in, and
> pushing it away as sheeting out. This is not steering the kite though
> it is just adjusting the kites angle of attack by altering the
> relative lengths of the front to rear lines.
>
> You are not really "Bringing the kite backwards" either, unless the
> kite is so baldy tuned that you can actually fly it backwards?
>
> As George said, pull in on the bar as the kite flies towards the water
> or down, then release that pressure just before the bottom of the down
> stroke and turn the kite upwards, tightly, and then push the bar away
> until the kite is accelerating upwards, as it speeds up you can pull
> back on the bar a bit more, getting ready to turn the kite tightly to
> make another downstroke.
>
> Point the board downwind until you are fully planing
>
> Practice going out in a bit more wind?
>
>
> Cya and
> Goodwinds
> Steve McCormack
> www.kitepower.com.au
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Cowart
> To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Digest Number 1193
>
>
> George,
>
> Thanks for the summary and tips. To some extent, I have experimented
> with each of those factors.
>
> When I try to bring the kite backwards to start, I dive it
> aggressively, but have two bad habits:
> - i tend to dive too low and bring it up, killing power
> - i will try to head the board upwind too quickly rather than getting
> fully planing before trimming upwind
>
> On diving, do you use positive, negative steering, or both?
>
> Can't wait to get back in the water here in SF bay.
>
> Thanks, Chris
>
> On Jan 12, 2005, at 6:55 PM, ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> There is 1 message in this issue.
>>
>> Topics in this digest:
>>
>> 1. Re: How to fly the kite in the correct position
>> From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:26:37 -0800 (PST)
>> From: George Sarris <jakefarley2000@...>
>> Subject: Re: How to fly the kite in the correct position
>>
>> The following factors apply:
>>
>> 1. wind speed
>> 2. kite size
>> 3. board size
>> 4. rider/kiter weight
>>
>> Any one can result in an underpowered situation which
>> can be frustrating. If you have sufficient power to
>> stay upwind, albeit slow, you are doing fine. If you
>> want more speed or power, you need an increase in #1
>> or #2 above or bear off and go downwind. With regard
>> to water starting in lighter winds, I usually start
>> off in the chicken loop and bring the kite backwards
>> 20 degrees off zenith (2 o-clock if you are going to
>> your left) and then dive the kite while aiming my
>> board downwind. I pull in on the bar after diving the
>> kite to increase the angle of attack producing more
>> power. Once I have sufficient power, I ease out the
>> bar to get the kite the the edge of the window and
>> edge the board so I can stay upwind. I usually never
>> hook into the harness lines on the bar, only the
>> chicken loop. The kite will fly upwind faster on the
>> front lines which produces more power with faster
>> turning.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> George
>> --- Chris Cowart <cowartc@...> wrote:
>>
>>> This question applies to water start and normal
>>> flying...
>>>
>>> I use a Naish bar with chicken hook and harness
>>> line. I often dive the
>>> kite [in the chicken loop only] unhooked from the
>>> harness loop put with
>>> hand pressure on the bar. Even if I start the dive
>>> with a turn
>>> backwards, it seems that the kite ends up too close
>>> the wind window
>>> edge and with not much initial power. On the plus
>>> side, it seems to
>>> put me in a setup that I go upwind, but not
>>> superfast.
>>>
>>> I've tried:
>>> - diving in both harness loop and chicken loop
>>> - slight backward move before diving
>>>
>>> Any thoughts to get me more on a plane and more
>>> power?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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