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Hello  i live in solna right outside sth,pratar du svenska, you know
there is a sth kitesurfing group/forum that can get you a lot of
info..... Otherwise ive been kiting oround here fo 3 years and i cant
say its a ideal place but there are som places that its possible for
beginners to kite safe.......

The best for beginnes are galo/skalaker there is a beach 200-300
meters wide and shalow 50 meters out but its can be gusty its the
wind have to be N/O if its to much north thats to much land thats
catch the wind and the same if its to mush O.......45 min drive from
sth........

  Sweizerbadet on dalarö its about the same 200 meter wide beach
shalow water 50 metrs out the wind have to be SV to work might work
in S.........45m drive from sth.....

Satrastrandbadet its a 200-300 wide beach not shallow and have park
beanches alonge the the beach not recomended for beginners it also
have a bading line to keep swimmers to swim to far out i guess its a
little bit of boat traffic also......Works only V  wind........20 m
drive from sth ..........


Remember that this places is not possible to kite in when its summer
cause its to much people if its rain and a shity wheater or some
other reason is empty than ofcourse its ok to kite........

And then the best for last Toro 1 h 5 min drive from sth works from
NV to S But there is actually to beaches stenstrand and karringviken
yes its a rock beach!!!!!!!!........But the pussy bay(translated from
swedish)IS a sand beach 500 m but only works in NV and can get pretty
gusty.......Pussy bay works for beginners..... But not the rock beach
its a wave spot with a rock beach and big rocks out in the water
to.....

Remember the dots on the o a so the names are  are little different.

You could mail me for more info anders_haggbom1@....













--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "jakobjth" <jakobjth@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm searching for a good kite surfing spot in stockholm, sweden
where
> it is possible for a beginner to learn kitesurfing on water. Does
> anyone here have some experience kitesurfing in stockholm / and
know
> of a good spot?
>
> // thx

Hi,

I need some help in picking some gear to start with. I have access to
an 8'foot windsurf board and would like to try to cruise around the
local lake close to shore with a foil kite. I will be on the flat
waters of Iowa (no jokes please) I am 6'5" 220lbs. And will probaly
be out in winds of 10-25 mph winds. I realize the bigger the kite the
lower the wind range I would need, but I was wondering what would be
the smallest foil I could use to propel myself on the water to just
cruise around to get ready for a bigger kite? I am not looking to try
any jumps or tricks.

Also, If I use a nonwater relaunchable foil close to shore, if it
does hit the water will it just collapse and float on top of the
water or will it sink to the botttom? If anyone can give any good
suggestion I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks allot

Scott

Sounds like a day of frustration to me.  Just take a lesson.  You'll have
more fun and will have a better idea if you really want to get into the
sport or not.
There are plenty of cheap used kites out there.  A used inflatable kite is
usually pretty easy to repair if needed.  Get one cheap from ebay or someone
you know.  Get a proper board, used or new it doesn't really matter.

Once you learn how to kiteboard, learn more about the sport, and get to know
your wind range, then go out and buy new gear if you like.

Most importantly, taking the lesson will make the learning experience quick
and fun.
Trust those of us who self taught.

Troy
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   Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 12:37 PM
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [ksurfschool] I need a kiteboard math tutor


   Hi,

   I need some help in picking some gear to start with. I have access to
   an 8'foot windsurf board and would like to try to cruise around the
   local lake close to shore with a foil kite. I will be on the flat
   waters of Iowa (no jokes please) I am 6'5" 220lbs. And will probaly
   be out in winds of 10-25 mph winds. I realize the bigger the kite the
   lower the wind range I would need, but I was wondering what would be
   the smallest foil I could use to propel myself on the water to just
   cruise around to get ready for a bigger kite? I am not looking to try
   any jumps or tricks.

   Also, If I use a nonwater relaunchable foil close to shore, if it
   does hit the water will it just collapse and float on top of the
   water or will it sink to the botttom? If anyone can give any good
   suggestion I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks allot

   Scott


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I'm new to kiteboarding on water and am ignorant as far as what
type and length of board to get.  Are there any advantages to
length (of board) on the water?  Does weight have anything to do
with it or style?  I'm 165 lbs.

Thanks,

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I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with landboard for about 4
months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can control the kite fairly
well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water and thus I'm looking for a
water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on big lakes and seaside.

Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m for $900US.

Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be appropriate for me as a
newbie with foil and boarding experience?

Ted

For me it seems to be quite a big kite (16.5 square
meters if i'm correct?). I think you should begin with
something smaller... probably 11-13 square meters for
your weight... but the price is nice...

// J


  --- train@... skrev:
---------------------------------
I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with
landboard for about 4
months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can
control the kite fairly
well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water
and thus I'm looking for a
water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on
big lakes and seaside.

Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m
for $900US.

Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be
appropriate for me as a
newbie with foil and boarding experience?

Ted





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The 9.5 frenzy is equivalent to a 12-13 tube kite so why should he
get another kite with the same power range? It depends on where you
live, what you weigh and what the winds are like.

If you are mountian boarding with a 9.5 foil then you probably live
in a lightwind area - the 16.5 size is probably fine, possibly even
on the small side if they are using flat sizing and depending on what
winds you plan to ride in.

Sorry, I have never even seen a takoon kite in person so I cna't
comment on them.

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, jakob Thegerström <jakobjth@y...>
wrote:
> For me it seems to be quite a big kite (16.5 square
> meters if i'm correct?). I think you should begin with
> something smaller... probably 11-13 square meters for
> your weight... but the price is nice...
>
> // J
>
>
>  --- train@g... skrev:
> ---------------------------------
> I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with
> landboard for about 4
> months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can
> control the kite fairly
> well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water
> and thus I'm looking for a
> water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on
> big lakes and seaside.
>
> Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m
> for $900US.
>
> Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be
> appropriate for me as a
> newbie with foil and boarding experience?
>
> Ted
>
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Ok maybe I'm wrong but the Takkoon 16.5 kite is the largest kite from
this mark. It's designed for the windspan 6 to 15 knts ( ~3-7.5 ms).
So if the wind speed up to 10-11ms 20-22knts you will be in a power
up condition and that can be dangerous. If you're an experienced kite
surfer this should not be a problem if you are careful under what
condition you fly... but if you're a beginner (like I am!) to power
kiting you should maybe consider a smaller kite...

correct me if i'm wrong about this information?!

I found the information about the kite takoon wook on these sites:

http://www.surfstore.co.uk/acatalog/Takoon.html
http://www.bilboquet.com/content/12/2/834.html

// J

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "hink_trent" <hink_trent@y...>
wrote:
> The 9.5 frenzy is equivalent to a 12-13 tube kite so why should he
> get another kite with the same power range? It depends on where you
> live, what you weigh and what the winds are like.
>
> If you are mountian boarding with a 9.5 foil then you probably live
> in a lightwind area - the 16.5 size is probably fine, possibly even
> on the small side if they are using flat sizing and depending on
what
> winds you plan to ride in.
>
> Sorry, I have never even seen a takoon kite in person so I cna't
> comment on them.
>
> --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, jakob Thegerström
<jakobjth@y...>
> wrote:
> > For me it seems to be quite a big kite (16.5 square
> > meters if i'm correct?). I think you should begin with
> > something smaller... probably 11-13 square meters for
> > your weight... but the price is nice...
> >
> > // J
> >
> >
> >  --- train@g... skrev:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with
> > landboard for about 4
> > months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can
> > control the kite fairly
> > well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water
> > and thus I'm looking for a
> > water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on
> > big lakes and seaside.
> >
> > Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m
> > for $900US.
> >
> > Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be
> > appropriate for me as a
> > newbie with foil and boarding experience?
> >
> > Ted
> >
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Hink,

Its so that the Frenzy is an open cell foil. Intended for any place but the
water. Open cell kites are not relaunchable.

So, if Ted's a pro-kitesurfer he's gonna have lots of fun with it, but if he
drops it the fun is over.

Ted, go for something else on the water, not for the Frenzy. Unless you're
in a spot with shallow waters and no currents.

Takoon can't be bad, heard lots of good stories about them so if you can
Ted, go for it ;-)

Mark

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: hink_trent [mailto:hink_trent@...]
Verzonden: donderdag 22 mei 2003 16:52
Aan: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [ksurfschool] Re: Kite for newbie


The 9.5 frenzy is equivalent to a 12-13 tube kite so why should he
get another kite with the same power range? It depends on where you
live, what you weigh and what the winds are like.

If you are mountian boarding with a 9.5 foil then you probably live
in a lightwind area - the 16.5 size is probably fine, possibly even
on the small side if they are using flat sizing and depending on what
winds you plan to ride in.

Sorry, I have never even seen a takoon kite in person so I cna't
comment on them.

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, jakob Thegerström <jakobjth@y...>
wrote:
> For me it seems to be quite a big kite (16.5 square
> meters if i'm correct?). I think you should begin with
> something smaller... probably 11-13 square meters for
> your weight... but the price is nice...
>
> // J
>
>
>  --- train@g... skrev:
> ---------------------------------
> I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with
> landboard for about 4
> months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can
> control the kite fairly
> well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water
> and thus I'm looking for a
> water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on
> big lakes and seaside.
>
> Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m
> for $900US.
>
> Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be
> appropriate for me as a
> newbie with foil and boarding experience?
>
> Ted
>
>
>
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My point was that the guy has experience with a larger kite and is
probably either very heavy or lives in a location with light winds,
So a 16 meter LEI will probably not be to big for him.

I did not reccomed the frenzy for a beginner on the water, even
though I got my first rides on the water using my open-celled buggy
foil. Incidently if you crash one straight down into the water it is
possible to relaunch them if you are fast on pulling the brake line
and a little bit lucky.

When he is more experienced and has some confidence, he'll be able to
use the frenzy at least for cruising around when it is too windy for
the 16.5 LEI.

When I first got into kiting, The local dealer reccomeded I get a 5
meter naish AR3 since anything else would be "too big" and "too
dangerous" for learning kitesurfing. I decided to get a 3m foil
instead and use that in the winter to learn kite skills.

When I tried the 3m out, it seemed powerful when standing still but I
was very dissapointed at at the lack of power for getting me moving
on skis, unless the wind was really blowing hard.

It makes me sick to think I almost took the dealer's advice and spent
$700 on a 5 meter LEI. My 3 meter foil probably has about the same
power and in the last three years there have only been about 3 days
when It was windy enough to take the 3m on the water, and even on
those days I did not have enough power to ride upwind. I live in a
light wind area and most of the time I need a 16 meter foil and often
that is not enough.

Sure the reccomended beginner size now is 12m instead of 5. It is
still way too small for some areas. Ted already has flown a 9.5 foil,
which has about the same power as a 12meter LEI. He probably realizes
that the 9.5 is not enough power for him to get on the water so he
wants something with enough power. Reccomending a 12 meter kite is
bad - it is essentially the same as what he has already, just a
little more user friendly on the water.



--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pronk <mpronk@m...> wrote:
> Hink,
>
> Its so that the Frenzy is an open cell foil. Intended for any place
but the
> water. Open cell kites are not relaunchable.
>
> So, if Ted's a pro-kitesurfer he's gonna have lots of fun with it,
but if he
> drops it the fun is over.
>
> Ted, go for something else on the water, not for the Frenzy. Unless
you're
> in a spot with shallow waters and no currents.
>
> Takoon can't be bad, heard lots of good stories about them so if
you can
> Ted, go for it ;-)
>
> Mark
>
> -----------------------------------------
>    Have fun kiting, whatever you fly!
>          http://www.foils.nl <http://www.foils.nl/>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: hink_trent [mailto:hink_trent@y...]
> Verzonden: donderdag 22 mei 2003 16:52
> Aan: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: [ksurfschool] Re: Kite for newbie
>
>
> The 9.5 frenzy is equivalent to a 12-13 tube kite so why should he
> get another kite with the same power range? It depends on where you
> live, what you weigh and what the winds are like.
>
> If you are mountian boarding with a 9.5 foil then you probably live
> in a lightwind area - the 16.5 size is probably fine, possibly even
> on the small side if they are using flat sizing and depending on
what
> winds you plan to ride in.
>
> Sorry, I have never even seen a takoon kite in person so I cna't
> comment on them.
>
> --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, jakob Thegerström
<jakobjth@y...>
> wrote:
> > For me it seems to be quite a big kite (16.5 square
> > meters if i'm correct?). I think you should begin with
> > something smaller... probably 11-13 square meters for
> > your weight... but the price is nice...
> >
> > // J
> >
> >
> >  --- train@g... skrev:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with
> > landboard for about 4
> > months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can
> > control the kite fairly
> > well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water
> > and thus I'm looking for a
> > water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on
> > big lakes and seaside.
> >
> > Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m
> > for $900US.
> >
> > Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be
> > appropriate for me as a
> > newbie with foil and boarding experience?
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >
> >
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G'day Mark
True the Frenzy is open celled, but it can often be re-launch from water,
especially if the bar is let go of, as the kite then will land on the waters
surface TE down, and can be easily launched.
If it hits LE first and stays there (because you have not let go of the bar)
then release the bar, it will reverse off the water and land on its TE, ready
for re-launch. I would estimate the kite will still be launchable after several
minutes in this position.

The Frenzy is designed to be used on land snow and water, the perfect crossover
kite!

Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
http://www.kitepower.com.au

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mark Pronk
   To: 'ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com'
   Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:45 PM
   Subject: RE: [ksurfschool] Re: Kite for newbie


   Hink,

   Its so that the Frenzy is an open cell foil. Intended for any place but the
   water. Open cell kites are not relaunchable.

   So, if Ted's a pro-kitesurfer he's gonna have lots of fun with it, but if he
   drops it the fun is over.

   Ted, go for something else on the water, not for the Frenzy. Unless you're
   in a spot with shallow waters and no currents.

   Takoon can't be bad, heard lots of good stories about them so if you can
   Ted, go for it ;-)

   Mark

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   Van: hink_trent [mailto:hink_trent@...]
   Verzonden: donderdag 22 mei 2003 16:52
   Aan: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Onderwerp: [ksurfschool] Re: Kite for newbie


   The 9.5 frenzy is equivalent to a 12-13 tube kite so why should he
   get another kite with the same power range? It depends on where you
   live, what you weigh and what the winds are like.

   If you are mountian boarding with a 9.5 foil then you probably live
   in a lightwind area - the 16.5 size is probably fine, possibly even
   on the small side if they are using flat sizing and depending on what
   winds you plan to ride in.

   Sorry, I have never even seen a takoon kite in person so I cna't
   comment on them.

   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, jakob Thegerström <jakobjth@y...>
   wrote:
   > For me it seems to be quite a big kite (16.5 square
   > meters if i'm correct?). I think you should begin with
   > something smaller... probably 11-13 square meters for
   > your weight... but the price is nice...
   >
   > // J
   >
   >
   >  --- train@g... skrev:
   > ---------------------------------
   > I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with
   > landboard for about 4
   > months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can
   > control the kite fairly
   > well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water
   > and thus I'm looking for a
   > water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on
   > big lakes and seaside.
   >
   > Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m
   > for $900US.
   >
   > Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be
   > appropriate for me as a
   > newbie with foil and boarding experience?
   >
   > Ted
   >
   >
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Thanks all for replying to my questions about the Takoon 16.5m
and kite sizing for my first LEI :).

I'm comfortable flying my Frenzy 9.5m (open cell de-powerable
foil) and crash only when there is not enough wind to landboard.
I weigh 83kgs (going down to 75kg!) and plan to buy and fly my
first LEI for light wind conditions in Canadian lakes and UK
seaside - i.e. 8-18 knots (if a kite will span that) - not Maui :(.

I started with a 7.3M Frenzy, but didn't really crack landboarding
with it because I needed 14 knots before I could get going. In
those winds the kite was all over the sky and I only ever got got
the hang of it when (with knocking knees) I test drove the 12m
Frenzy. Suddenly I was able to landboard and went out and
bought the 9.5m straightaway. Things just happened more
slowly and predictably with those bigger kites which
paradoxically meant they were easier to learn to board on -
providing I chose light wind days.

Question 1: Is this likely to be the same scenario for learning
with my first LEI?

I agree with Hink that a larger LEI around 16m would give me the
option of switching to my 9.5m Frenzy when the wind went above,
say 15knots. I do appreciate the concern of others about not
getting in over my head with a large first LEI.  So I'd like to hear
more from those kind peeps.

Question 2: Perhaps these folks are lighter than me - or fly in
conditions starting at 14 knots? I'm curious.

Question 3: I'd like my first LEI to be suitable for 8-15 knots
kitesurfing and one that could take me to an intermediate level
with medium floaty jumps. Given all this - I'd appreciate opinions
on  specific kite and board sizes for my situation? Anymore ideas
on the 16.5m Takoon?

Ted

G'day Ted
   - i.e. 8-18 knots (if a kite will span that) - not Maui :(.
   Many 16.0/18.0M inflatable kites will give you this wind range


   I started with a 7.3M Frenzy, but didn't really crack landboarding
   with it because I needed 14 knots before I could get going. In
   those winds the kite was all over the sky and I only ever got got
   the hang of it when (with knocking knees) I test drove the 12m
   Frenzy. Suddenly I was able to landboard and went out and
   bought the 9.5m straightaway. Things just happened more
   slowly and predictably with those bigger kites which
   paradoxically meant they were easier to learn to board on -
   providing I chose light wind days.

   Question 1: Is this likely to be the same scenario for learning
   with my first LEI?

   So you learned that a certain minimum kite power is needed to actually "do"
each sport properly. The amount of power does intimidate people at first, but
you get used to it. Getting used to it can lead some people to do dangerous
things, mainly due the their inexperience/ignorance of the danger,  but it
sounds like you are take a more measured approach?

   I agree with Hink that a larger LEI around 16m would give me the
   option of switching to my 9.5m Frenzy when the wind went above,
   say 15knots. I do appreciate the concern of others about not
   getting in over my head with a large first LEI.  So I'd like to hear
   more from those kind peeps.

   Its more about not wasting money getting 2 kites that have too much overlap in
wind range. You already have a large amount of kte flying experience.

   Question 2: Perhaps these folks are lighter than me - or fly in
   conditions starting at 14 knots? I'm curious.

   Some people will only kiteboard when the wind is strong enough to jump
reasonabley high, others will go out with a mal surfboard, 16.0 inflato, when
the wind is 5/6knots, there is no rule book about what is fun............is
there?

   Question 3: I'd like my first LEI to be suitable for 8-15 knots
   kitesurfing and one that could take me to an intermediate level
   with medium floaty jumps. Given all this - I'd appreciate opinions
   on  specific kite and board sizes for my situation? Anymore ideas
   on the 16.5m Takoon?

   Don't know about the new Takoons, but they were very similar to Wipika
Airblasts, and GRK kites.
   Any of the new 2002/2003 kites in the 15.0 to 18.0 sizes will do what you
want, especially, naish aero 2, naish X3 and X2, North Rhino1 and 2, F-One Mach
1 18.1, and mach 2 16.0, Flexifoil Storm 1, 16.0 Storm2 16.0/18, etc

   Cya and
   Goodwinds
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I understand Monsoon's in Thailand this time of year, but does anyone
know best spot for kitesurfing in Thailand in mid June, in a family
friendly area?  What about Koh Samui?  Any other exotic locations
ideal for kitesurfing this time of year.

Hey,

I'm heading to the Italian Lake Country -- around Lake Como and
thereabouts, and was wondering about schools in that area.  I came
across an article in some travel magazine that listed one of them, but
when I emailed them about whether or not they taught in English I got
no response.  You guys have any recommendations of places that teach
in English?  This would be my first time kite surfing, so places that
are good for beginners would be preferred.

Thanks!

Blair

I would strongly recommend that for lessons you get an
instructor that is very, very fluent in your language.
  It's difficult to learn properly if there are
translation/communication problems and it could be
hazardous if you get the wrong idea during training.

Ciao,
George

--- Blair Willcox <capitalsfn@...> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'm heading to the Italian Lake Country -- around
> Lake Como and
> thereabouts, and was wondering about schools in that
> area.  I came
> across an article in some travel magazine that
> listed one of them, but
> when I emailed them about whether or not they taught
> in English I got
> no response.  You guys have any recommendations of
> places that teach
> in English?  This would be my first time kite
> surfing, so places that
> are good for beginners would be preferred.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Blair
>
>


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I have a 5.0 Naish R3 new that I can sell you with Lines, Bar leash for $319
brand New!

Nice little kite.

philip


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From: wvc304 [mailto:kennywek@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:12 PM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Training Kite



I'm new to kiteboarding and would like to rent or buy a 4 or 5 meter
kite to be used as as training kite. Does anyone such such a kite
that they would like to rent or sell? Thank You.



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I'm new to kitesurfing. As in, never tried it! I need some advice. But
wait, you say, get an instructor. The problem is I live in Mississippi
and plan to do this on a lake there. No one in this area has a clue
what kitesurfing is. The nearest lessons are 5 hours away. So, I was
looking at getting a T-Foil Training Kite with a video and starting
there. Does that sound good? Or should/could I get a bigger kite that
would take me safely from land training to water training. I'm 5'8"
tall and weigh 140 lbs. I water ski (slalom) and jumped on the water
ski team in college. I have snow-boarded a couple of times. So,
knowing these things, what do you think? I need all the advice/ help I
can get. Thanks! :)

Phil,
         Thank you for responding to my e-mail to you. I am brand new to this
sport and have not actually done it yet. I was weighing out whether to get a
small real kite, (i.e 5 M), with the expectation that I might use it later on
snow or a "training kite" because my main use will be on the water. After
talking to several people, I decided to start with the training kite.

                                             Bill Kenny
                                      kennywek@...


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2002 WIPIKA HYDROS FOR SALE

BLACK AND WHITE 9M HYDROS
EXCELLENT CONDITION
USED VERY LITTLE
NO RIPS OR REPAIRS
COMES WITH BAG AND PUMP
$650USD FIRM SOLD!!!!

LIGHT BLUE 12M HYDRO
EXCELLENT CONDITION
WIPIKA FACTORY REPAIR ON PANEL AFTER A SNOW KITING TEAR
THIS KITE IS SUPER STRONG AND HAS TONS OF LIFE LEFT
$585USD
MUST SELL WILL TAKE $525USD!!!


THE HYDROS ARE WIPIKA'S TOP OF THE LINE MID ASPECT RATIO KITE, THEY
ARE EXTREMELY STABLE, PREDICTABLE AND POWERFUL!


2001 CAHBRINA BLACK TIP
6M FLAT AREA
BRAND NEW IN BAG
$285USD

ROLAND LEWIS
416-894-4433
lewisroland@...

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "flygirlb727" <flygirl727@b...>
wrote:
> I'm new to kitesurfing. As in, never tried it! I need some advice.

Flygirl
A good lesson or two is most valuable. But you can figure out a lot
of things yourself. Go to this website for more information:
http://www.kitesurfingschool.org/

And a good beginners video is available called How to Rip.

Chris G

Hi flygirl!

Are you trying this alone? If so, I would recommend getting a
trainer (like a B-2) and flying that for a while. If you want to get
a kite that you can use on the water, at 140lbs, you could opt to
get a larger foil kite in the size of around 4-5m for a bridled
foil, or something like a Peter Lynn Guerilla 10m.

The Peter Lynn G10 is suitable for high winds for your weight (15-
25mph) so you can use it to "train yourself" in 10-15mph winds, but
still use it on the water as you get better and are able to go in
higher winds without making mistakes. The G10 will also completely
depower when a leash is used and lay out flat like a flag, where an
inflato will still hold shape and produce power making it a bit
safer.

I certainly wouldn't recommend getting a full-size kite for light
winds, however, unless you're learning with a partner who can hold
your harness and help you launch/land with assistance. For your
weight, this would be approximately a 14m flat inflato. Being in
Chicago, we probably get similar winds which tend to be 10-15mph in
the summers.

V
www.chicagokitesurfing.com

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "flygirlb727" <flygirl727@b...>
wrote:
> I'm new to kitesurfing. As in, never tried it! I need some advice.
But
> wait, you say, get an instructor. The problem is I live in
Mississippi
> and plan to do this on a lake there. No one in this area has a clue
> what kitesurfing is. The nearest lessons are 5 hours away. So, I
was
> looking at getting a T-Foil Training Kite with a video and starting
> there. Does that sound good? Or should/could I get a bigger kite
that
> would take me safely from land training to water training. I'm 5'8"
> tall and weigh 140 lbs. I water ski (slalom) and jumped on the
water
> ski team in college. I have snow-boarded a couple of times. So,
> knowing these things, what do you think? I need all the advice/
help I
> can get. Thanks! :)

Hey, Flygirl:

I agree with vytaspass, except I would recommend going for his recommended
option of a small foil that is actually powerful enough to pull you in high wind
but small enough that you could train with it on land for lighter to medium
wind.

I am pretty much in the same boat you are, only a bit further along.  I had
never met anyone that kitesurfs or had even seen anyone in real life kitesurfing
when I became fascinated with it, pretty much just from looking at webpages,
pictures and videos on the internet.

A few months ago I bought a T-4 training kite which is about a 2m training kite
plus a video from a kite store in Big Bear, CA. They had to special order it for
me and with shipping it ran me about $166.  I had fun learning to fly it but to
my dismay I quickly found out I could have saved about $50 if I would have
bought the same package on Ebay. Anyway, I quickly got bored with it because at
2m I really haven't been around any winds which were strong enough for me to
actually be pulled with it.  I still have it but its only usefulness now is to
let people fly it that have no flying experience at all.  In retrospect, I wish
I would have bought a bigger kite for my first kite, like the 4-5m foil
recommended to you, because it would have been a lot more fun, it would have
served the same purpose, and it would have had a bigger range of usefulness, and
I likely wouldn't have had to pay very much more than I did.

Unlike you, there's places I can take lessons that are not far from me, about an
hour away at the beach.  However, my obstacle right now is just my time, mostly
because I just bought an older Mastercraft ski boat (I love barefooting) and I
have had to put a bit of work into it and go on a couple of weekend trips, take
it out skiing, etc.  So I have been getting into kiting slowly, since then I
have been buying my gear piecemeal to spread out the cost. I have a really nice
harness and lines and I have bought a bigger kite and I am getting an even
bigger one next week.  I still have been flying 2-3 times per week.

I have been graduating to bigger kites because I haven't had any time to take
lessons this month.  My second kite is a Peter Lynn C Quad 3.2, and my third one
will be a C Quad 6.3.  These are actually more land kites and not very popular
for water use (although they were designed for water and you can use them that
way), but anyone who flies them says they are the most powerful kites you can
get for both their price and size. Brand new, they only go for about $170 and
$250 respectively, and I am getting mine used for a lot less than that.  They
are really powerful and fun to fly and i got a mountainboard to ride them with
since I live a lot closer to where I can do that and I am just starting to move
a bit with my 3.2.  I anticipate I probably will not use these much on water,
but for now I am having a blast with them and almost everyone I have taken to
fly them with me has loved them.  Also, I heard that if you learn to fly these
kites first you can fly almost anything next.

From talking to people, I have my sights set on getting a Peter Lynn Gorilla Arc
18, perhaps later this year, which appears to be right for me since I weigh in
at around 200lbs. From what I gather from people that have flown them, that kite
seems to be the next ticket althought it doesn't seem to have fully caught on
popularity wise yet.

Let us know how it's coming along!

John Santos



vytaspass <surfsup@...> wrote:
Hi flygirl!

Are you trying this alone? If so, I would recommend getting a
trainer (like a B-2) and flying that for a while. If you want to get
a kite that you can use on the water, at 140lbs, you could opt to
get a larger foil kite in the size of around 4-5m for a bridled
foil, or something like a Peter Lynn Guerilla 10m.

The Peter Lynn G10 is suitable for high winds for your weight (15-
25mph) so you can use it to "train yourself" in 10-15mph winds, but
still use it on the water as you get better and are able to go in
higher winds without making mistakes. The G10 will also completely
depower when a leash is used and lay out flat like a flag, where an
inflato will still hold shape and produce power making it a bit
safer.

I certainly wouldn't recommend getting a full-size kite for light
winds, however, unless you're learning with a partner who can hold
your harness and help you launch/land with assistance. For your
weight, this would be approximately a 14m flat inflato. Being in
Chicago, we probably get similar winds which tend to be 10-15mph in
the summers.

V
www.chicagokitesurfing.com

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "flygirlb727" <flygirl727@b...>
wrote:
> I'm new to kitesurfing. As in, never tried it! I need some advice.
But
> wait, you say, get an instructor. The problem is I live in
Mississippi
> and plan to do this on a lake there. No one in this area has a clue
> what kitesurfing is. The nearest lessons are 5 hours away. So, I
was
> looking at getting a T-Foil Training Kite with a video and starting
> there. Does that sound good? Or should/could I get a bigger kite
that
> would take me safely from land training to water training. I'm 5'8"
> tall and weigh 140 lbs. I water ski (slalom) and jumped on the
water
> ski team in college. I have snow-boarded a couple of times. So,
> knowing these things, what do you think? I need all the advice/
help I
> can get. Thanks! :)


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Hey flygirlb727,

I would defintely recommend getting a trainer kite and video.  Most of the intro
videos are ok. They get boring but they cover the basics.  Boost II is pretty
good and goes all the from rigging the kite to how to jump.

As far as a training kite.  I would go with something around 2m.  I started with
the 2m airrush trainer and still fly it every once and a while for fun. I
actually had a chance to fly the 1.5m t-foil trainer last weekend and was
shocked at how hard that thing is to fly.  The kite is just to small and
responds very fast.  It also have almost zero pull so it is difficult to feel
what the kite is doing.  When you kiteboard  you are not really looking at the
kite but instead flying a lot by feel.

I would defintely recommend getting a trainer kite they are pretty cheap and the
trainer foils can take a lot of abuse.  I know mine has been crashed into
everything from trees to parked cars.  I would have get something that is at
least 2m is size.

Andy

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There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Training Kite Question
From: "flygirlb727"
2. Re: Training Kite
From: kennywek@...
3. KITES FOR SALE!!!
From: "hokipakite"
4. Re: Training Kite Question
From: "Chris Glazier"
5. Re: Training Kite Question
From: "vytaspass"


________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 03:15:34 -0000
From: "flygirlb727"
Subject: Training Kite Question

I'm new to kitesurfing. As in, never tried it! I need some advice. But
wait, you say, get an instructor. The problem is I live in Mississippi
and plan to do this on a lake there. No one in this area has a clue
what kitesurfing is. The nearest lessons are 5 hours away. So, I was
looking at getting a T-Foil Training Kite with a video and starting
there. Does that sound good? Or should/could I get a bigger kite that
would take me safely from land training to water training. I'm 5'8"
tall and weigh 140 lbs. I water ski (slalom) and jumped on the water
ski team in college. I have snow-boarded a couple of times. So,
knowing these things, what do you think? I need all the advice/ help I
can get. Thanks! :)



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:25:31 EDT
From: kennywek@...
Subject: Re: Training Kite

Phil,
Thank you for responding to my e-mail to you. I am brand new to this
sport and have not actually done it yet. I was weighing out whether to get a
small real kite, (i.e 5 M), with the expectation that I might use it later on
snow or a "training kite" because my main use will be on the water. After
talking to several people, I decided to start with the training kite.

Bill Kenny
kennywek@...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 04:17:28 -0000
From: "hokipakite"
Subject: KITES FOR SALE!!!

2002 WIPIKA HYDROS FOR SALE

BLACK AND WHITE 9M HYDROS
EXCELLENT CONDITION
USED VERY LITTLE
NO RIPS OR REPAIRS
COMES WITH BAG AND PUMP
$650USD FIRM SOLD!!!!

LIGHT BLUE 12M HYDRO
EXCELLENT CONDITION
WIPIKA FACTORY REPAIR ON PANEL AFTER A SNOW KITING TEAR
THIS KITE IS SUPER STRONG AND HAS TONS OF LIFE LEFT
$585USD
MUST SELL WILL TAKE $525USD!!!


THE HYDROS ARE WIPIKA'S TOP OF THE LINE MID ASPECT RATIO KITE, THEY
ARE EXTREMELY STABLE, PREDICTABLE AND POWERFUL!


2001 CAHBRINA BLACK TIP
6M FLAT AREA
BRAND NEW IN BAG
$285USD

ROLAND LEWIS
416-894-4433
lewisroland@...




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 03:46:30 -0000
From: "Chris Glazier"
Subject: Re: Training Kite Question

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "flygirlb727"
wrote:
> I'm new to kitesurfing. As in, never tried it! I need some advice.

Flygirl
A good lesson or two is most valuable. But you can figure out a lot
of things yourself. Go to this website for more information:
http://www.kitesurfingschool.org/

And a good beginners video is available called How to Rip.

Chris G




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:36:40 -0000
From: "vytaspass"
Subject: Re: Training Kite Question

Hi flygirl!

Are you trying this alone? If so, I would recommend getting a
trainer (like a B-2) and flying that for a while. If you want to get
a kite that you can use on the water, at 140lbs, you could opt to
get a larger foil kite in the size of around 4-5m for a bridled
foil, or something like a Peter Lynn Guerilla 10m.

The Peter Lynn G10 is suitable for high winds for your weight (15-
25mph) so you can use it to "train yourself" in 10-15mph winds, but
still use it on the water as you get better and are able to go in
higher winds without making mistakes. The G10 will also completely
depower when a leash is used and lay out flat like a flag, where an
inflato will still hold shape and produce power making it a bit
safer.

I certainly wouldn't recommend getting a full-size kite for light
winds, however, unless you're learning with a partner who can hold
your harness and help you launch/land with assistance. For your
weight, this would be approximately a 14m flat inflato. Being in
Chicago, we probably get similar winds which tend to be 10-15mph in
the summers.

V
www.chicagokitesurfing.com

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "flygirlb727"
wrote:
> I'm new to kitesurfing. As in, never tried it! I need some advice.
But
> wait, you say, get an instructor. The problem is I live in
Mississippi
> and plan to do this on a lake there. No one in this area has a clue
> what kitesurfing is. The nearest lessons are 5 hours away. So, I
was
> looking at getting a T-Foil Training Kite with a video and starting
> there. Does that sound good? Or should/could I get a bigger kite
that
> would take me safely from land training to water training. I'm 5'8"
> tall and weigh 140 lbs. I water ski (slalom) and jumped on the
water
> ski team in college. I have snow-boarded a couple of times. So,
> knowing these things, what do you think? I need all the advice/
help I
> can get. Thanks! :)



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Hi!

Does anyone here got experience fling this kite? (wipika free air
6.5) I'm planing to convert it to 4 lines and I want to hear any
suggestion about this!

Can I convert it to 4 lines using the same control bar or do I have
to get a new one? (There is nothing in the middle of my control bar
to conect lines to).

Finally, will I get a better kite with 4 lines and should I use 30 or
20 meter lines?!?


thx
Jakob

It is a good kite, quite small by todays standards though. We still use one in
our school while it lasts, in 4 line mode. All the instructors like using it.
All you need is a "stanchion fairlead", to attach to your bar, get them at yacht
chandlers or good kite stores. Then get the Ozone trim loop, and the naish trim
strap and leash, connect it all and you will have a nice 4 line kite for winds
in the 20 to 30+ knots windrange.
In four line this kite is very fast turning, they have spanked a lot of riders
in high winds, use a shortish bar no longer than 50cm, cut yours down if
necessary.
Since you are still learning use leaders approx the same length as what is on
the bar now, and just connect standard 25/27M lines to them.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
http://www.kitepower.com.au

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jakobjth
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:08 PM
   Subject: [ksurfschool] wipika free air 2 to 4 lines conversion


   Hi!

   Does anyone here got experience fling this kite? (wipika free air
   6.5) I'm planing to convert it to 4 lines and I want to hear any
   suggestion about this!

   Can I convert it to 4 lines using the same control bar or do I have
   to get a new one? (There is nothing in the middle of my control bar
   to conect lines to).

   Finally, will I get a better kite with 4 lines and should I use 30 or
   20 meter lines?!?


   thx
   Jakob


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