For me it seems to be quite a big kite (16.5 square
meters if i'm correct?). I think you should begin with
something smaller... probably 11-13 square meters for
your weight... but the price is nice...

// J


  --- train@... skrev:
---------------------------------
I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with
landboard for about 4
months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can
control the kite fairly
well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water
and thus I'm looking for a
water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on
big lakes and seaside.

Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m
for $900US.

Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be
appropriate for me as a
newbie with foil and boarding experience?

Ted





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I've been flying Ozone Frenzy 9.5m foil kites with landboard for about 4
months  (I weigh 83kg). I've got the stage where I can control the kite fairly
well and board, but I'd now like to switch to water and thus I'm looking for a
water kite and board (possible used) for summer use on big lakes and seaside.

Someone has offered me a nearly new Takoon Wook 16.5m for $900US.

Any opinions on that kite and whether it might be appropriate for me as a
newbie with foil and boarding experience?

Ted

Check out the new kite landboarding videos on the Kitepower website.
www.kitepower.com.au
Enter the site, click on the orange buton with the vid camera icon
in it.
Click on the video's at the top of the choices.
A pop up window will appear, click your mouse over the words "click
to play"
Enjoy!
Any feedback can be sent to Goshen, my son, at Kitepower Geelong
geelong@...

Cya and Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au

I'm new to kiteboarding on water and am ignorant as far as what
type and length of board to get.  Are there any advantages to
length (of board) on the water?  Does weight have anything to do
with it or style?  I'm 165 lbs.

Thanks,

Steve

Sounds like a day of frustration to me.  Just take a lesson.  You'll have
more fun and will have a better idea if you really want to get into the
sport or not.
There are plenty of cheap used kites out there.  A used inflatable kite is
usually pretty easy to repair if needed.  Get one cheap from ebay or someone
you know.  Get a proper board, used or new it doesn't really matter.

Once you learn how to kiteboard, learn more about the sport, and get to know
your wind range, then go out and buy new gear if you like.

Most importantly, taking the lesson will make the learning experience quick
and fun.
Trust those of us who self taught.

Troy
   -----Original Message-----
   From: waynehkd [mailto:waynehkd@...]
   Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 12:37 PM
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [ksurfschool] I need a kiteboard math tutor


   Hi,

   I need some help in picking some gear to start with. I have access to
   an 8'foot windsurf board and would like to try to cruise around the
   local lake close to shore with a foil kite. I will be on the flat
   waters of Iowa (no jokes please) I am 6'5" 220lbs. And will probaly
   be out in winds of 10-25 mph winds. I realize the bigger the kite the
   lower the wind range I would need, but I was wondering what would be
   the smallest foil I could use to propel myself on the water to just
   cruise around to get ready for a bigger kite? I am not looking to try
   any jumps or tricks.

   Also, If I use a nonwater relaunchable foil close to shore, if it
   does hit the water will it just collapse and float on top of the
   water or will it sink to the botttom? If anyone can give any good
   suggestion I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks allot

   Scott


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Hi,

I need some help in picking some gear to start with. I have access to
an 8'foot windsurf board and would like to try to cruise around the
local lake close to shore with a foil kite. I will be on the flat
waters of Iowa (no jokes please) I am 6'5" 220lbs. And will probaly
be out in winds of 10-25 mph winds. I realize the bigger the kite the
lower the wind range I would need, but I was wondering what would be
the smallest foil I could use to propel myself on the water to just
cruise around to get ready for a bigger kite? I am not looking to try
any jumps or tricks.

Also, If I use a nonwater relaunchable foil close to shore, if it
does hit the water will it just collapse and float on top of the
water or will it sink to the botttom? If anyone can give any good
suggestion I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks allot

Scott

Hello  i live in solna right outside sth,pratar du svenska, you know
there is a sth kitesurfing group/forum that can get you a lot of
info..... Otherwise ive been kiting oround here fo 3 years and i cant
say its a ideal place but there are som places that its possible for
beginners to kite safe.......

The best for beginnes are galo/skalaker there is a beach 200-300
meters wide and shalow 50 meters out but its can be gusty its the
wind have to be N/O if its to much north thats to much land thats
catch the wind and the same if its to mush O.......45 min drive from
sth........

  Sweizerbadet on dalarö its about the same 200 meter wide beach
shalow water 50 metrs out the wind have to be SV to work might work
in S.........45m drive from sth.....

Satrastrandbadet its a 200-300 wide beach not shallow and have park
beanches alonge the the beach not recomended for beginners it also
have a bading line to keep swimmers to swim to far out i guess its a
little bit of boat traffic also......Works only V  wind........20 m
drive from sth ..........


Remember that this places is not possible to kite in when its summer
cause its to much people if its rain and a shity wheater or some
other reason is empty than ofcourse its ok to kite........

And then the best for last Toro 1 h 5 min drive from sth works from
NV to S But there is actually to beaches stenstrand and karringviken
yes its a rock beach!!!!!!!!........But the pussy bay(translated from
swedish)IS a sand beach 500 m but only works in NV and can get pretty
gusty.......Pussy bay works for beginners..... But not the rock beach
its a wave spot with a rock beach and big rocks out in the water
to.....

Remember the dots on the o a so the names are  are little different.

You could mail me for more info anders_haggbom1@....













--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "jakobjth" <jakobjth@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm searching for a good kite surfing spot in stockholm, sweden
where
> it is possible for a beginner to learn kitesurfing on water. Does
> anyone here have some experience kitesurfing in stockholm / and
know
> of a good spot?
>
> // thx

Check out our new RAL system and student galery feed back
www.jerrykitesurf.com
Salut

Matt,

Its over. It was in Lucate. the speeds were lame. Speedkiteboarding has been
cancelled.

philip

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Inland Sea Windsurf Co
Kitesite.net
http://www.inlandsea.com
http://www.kitesite.net
888-465-2632
802-862-3847


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From: matt nuzzo [mailto:realkiteobx@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:51 PM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Speed Kiting Tech


if anyone has any info about speed kiting, speed
kiting gear, and any speed kiting events that have
been happening, please send that info to
Matt@....  Thanks -- Matt Nuzzo

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Hi,

I'm searching for a good kite surfing spot in stockholm, sweden where
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anyone here have some experience kitesurfing in stockholm / and know
of a good spot?

// thx

There may well be some commonly available materials that "might" work, problem
is if it doesnt you will have ruined the $200 bladder you are trying to save?
All decent shops will have a few old bladders laying around, I will post bits
for free to anyone in Oz that asks?
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
http://www.kitepower.com.au

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jcedwar
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 2:01 AM
   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites


   Great advice!

   Anyone got any good ideas for what can be used for patching other
   than trying to track down an old bladder?
   There's bound to be an inexpensive alternative to using old bladder
   material!

   Thanks!
   Jon

   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kite Power \(Sydney\)"
   <sydney@k...> wrote:

   > Get the old bladder out and get an old bladder (shops are the best
   source) cut a patch at least 50% as big as needed.


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Great advice!

Anyone got any good ideas for what can be used for patching other
than trying to track down an old bladder?
There's bound to be an inexpensive alternative to using old bladder
material!

Thanks!
Jon

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kite Power \(Sydney\)"
<sydney@k...> wrote:

> Get the old bladder out and get an old bladder (shops are the best
source) cut a patch at least 50% as big as needed.

Yeah tape the patch to the table first, then apply the continuous bead of glue,
approx 1cm away from the maker pen otline of the split. Hold the split bladder
together (just enough) with short pieces of cello tape (do not allow the cello
tape to be under the glue), then apply the bladder to the patch carefully
aligning it with the marker pen outline of the split.
If there are no leaks there is no nead to apply more glue, or patches, the
repair is done.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
http://www.kitepower.com.au

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: haltabb
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:45 PM
   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites


   You mean tape the patch down to the table when you place the bladder
   down right?  Should you put sail tape over the patch after the repair
   is made as extra holding or will the glue be enough.  Thanks again
   for the help...Hal

   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kite Power (Sydney)"
   <sydney@k...> wrote:
   > The key to not going insane, or developing an overwhelming urge to
   destroy something, is to use cello tape to hold it all together! The
   patch must be taped down too.
   > Cya and
   > Goodwinds
   > Steve McCormack
   > http://www.kitepower.com.au
   >
   >   ----- Original Message -----
   >   From: haltabb
   >   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   >   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:14 AM
   >   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites
   >
   >
   >   Steve,
   >   Thanks for the great guidance.  I will give it a try...Hal
   >
   >
   >   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kite Power \(Sydney\)"
   >   <sydney@k...> wrote:
   >   > Repairing large splits in bladders is not that hard, I do it
   >   regualrly here to save people like you buying a bladder for a
   kite
   >   that is realistically on its last legs.
   >   > Get the old bladder out and get an old bladder (shops are the
   best
   >   source) cut a patch at least 50% as big as needed. Trace the
   shape of
   >   the split onto the patch with a marker pen. Turn the patch over
   and
   >   cello tape it to a flat hard surface like a formica table top.
   >   > Put a thin continous bead of glue approx 1cm away from the line
   on
   >   your patch all the way around the line.
   >   > Carefully lay the bladder over the patch, using the line you
   traced
   >   earlier, to align the bladder, patch and glue properly.
   >   > Then place heavy phone books or similar on the patch and leave
   for
   >   at least 30 mins, but longer if you have the time.
   >   >
   >   > Remove bladder from the table top and inflate, check for leaks.
   If
   >   you are lucky and were careful with your handywork, the repair
   will
   >   be finished.
   >   > If not, you will have a small leak(S) somewhere, just apply
   glue
   >   between the oversize patch and the bladder in the area of the
   leak
   >   and weigh down with heavy objects again. Inflate and test
   againuntil
   >   you have got all the holes/leaks.
   >   >
   >   > If the rip is particularly long and jagged, carefully cellotape
   the
   >   tear back together as neat as needed, before commencing the first
   >   step of glueing the patch to the bladder above.
   >   >
   >   > I test for the initial leaks after the first repair attempt,
   with a
   >   spray bottle containing water and a couple of drops of
   dishwashing
   >   detergent, final leak test is in a large tub of water, with the
   >   bladder well inflated.
   >   >
   >   > I have successfully repaired holes as long as 24" approx. Good
   luck.
   >   > Cya and
   >   > Goodwinds
   >   > Steve McCormack
   >   > http://www.kitepower.com.au
   >   >
   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
   >   >   From: haltabb
   >   >   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   >   >   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:16 AM
   >   >   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites
   >   >
   >   >
   >   >   That's exactly what I am debating.  Do I just trash the kite
   or
   >   spend
   >   >   the money for the repair.  So I decided to send the kite off
   for
   >   >   repair and try and patch my bladder (unless I can find a
   cheap
   >   >   replacement).  You are right, there is no point in spending
   $200
   >   to
   >   >   repair a kite worth only $250.
   >   >
   >   >   Thanks for the info on airtimegear.com.  Their web sight
   doesn't
   >   have
   >   >   anything on kite baldders, but I will email them.
   >   >
   >   >   Hal
   >   >
   >   >
   >   >   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "pksebago"
   <Patkeeley@a...>
   >   wrote:
   >   >   >
   >   >   > Try www.airtimegear.com for bladders
   >   >   >
   >   >   >
   >   >   > --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
   >   >   > <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
   >   >   > > I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
   >   >   > > I thought I share this info with anyone who like
   >   >   > > myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
   >   >   > > gear.
   >   >   > >
   >   >   > > My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
   >   >   > > long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
   >   >   > > this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
   >   >   > > 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
   >   >   > > gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
   >   >   > > harder so that it keeps its shape.
   >   >   > > 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
   >   >   > > cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
   >   >   > >  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
   >   >   > > in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
   >   >   > >
   >   >   > > So, I thought I'd pass that on.
   >   >   > >
   >   >   > > Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
   >   >   > > buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!
   >   >   > >
   >   >   > > thanks
   >   >   > > p
   >   >   > >
   >   >   > > =====
   >   >   > > Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And
   there
   >   are
   >   >   5
   >   >   > people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either
   my
   >   mum
   >   >   or
   >   >   > my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-
   Cha-
   >   Chu.
   >   >   > >
   >   >   > > But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper
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You mean tape the patch down to the table when you place the bladder
down right?  Should you put sail tape over the patch after the repair
is made as extra holding or will the glue be enough.  Thanks again
for the help...Hal

--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kite Power (Sydney)"
<sydney@k...> wrote:
> The key to not going insane, or developing an overwhelming urge to
destroy something, is to use cello tape to hold it all together! The
patch must be taped down too.
> Cya and
> Goodwinds
> Steve McCormack
> http://www.kitepower.com.au
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: haltabb
>   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:14 AM
>   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites
>
>
>   Steve,
>   Thanks for the great guidance.  I will give it a try...Hal
>
>
>   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kite Power \(Sydney\)"
>   <sydney@k...> wrote:
>   > Repairing large splits in bladders is not that hard, I do it
>   regualrly here to save people like you buying a bladder for a
kite
>   that is realistically on its last legs.
>   > Get the old bladder out and get an old bladder (shops are the
best
>   source) cut a patch at least 50% as big as needed. Trace the
shape of
>   the split onto the patch with a marker pen. Turn the patch over
and
>   cello tape it to a flat hard surface like a formica table top.
>   > Put a thin continous bead of glue approx 1cm away from the line
on
>   your patch all the way around the line.
>   > Carefully lay the bladder over the patch, using the line you
traced
>   earlier, to align the bladder, patch and glue properly.
>   > Then place heavy phone books or similar on the patch and leave
for
>   at least 30 mins, but longer if you have the time.
>   >
>   > Remove bladder from the table top and inflate, check for leaks.
If
>   you are lucky and were careful with your handywork, the repair
will
>   be finished.
>   > If not, you will have a small leak(S) somewhere, just apply
glue
>   between the oversize patch and the bladder in the area of the
leak
>   and weigh down with heavy objects again. Inflate and test
againuntil
>   you have got all the holes/leaks.
>   >
>   > If the rip is particularly long and jagged, carefully cellotape
the
>   tear back together as neat as needed, before commencing the first
>   step of glueing the patch to the bladder above.
>   >
>   > I test for the initial leaks after the first repair attempt,
with a
>   spray bottle containing water and a couple of drops of
dishwashing
>   detergent, final leak test is in a large tub of water, with the
>   bladder well inflated.
>   >
>   > I have successfully repaired holes as long as 24" approx. Good
luck.
>   > Cya and
>   > Goodwinds
>   > Steve McCormack
>   > http://www.kitepower.com.au
>   >
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: haltabb
>   >   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:16 AM
>   >   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites
>   >
>   >
>   >   That's exactly what I am debating.  Do I just trash the kite
or
>   spend
>   >   the money for the repair.  So I decided to send the kite off
for
>   >   repair and try and patch my bladder (unless I can find a
cheap
>   >   replacement).  You are right, there is no point in spending
$200
>   to
>   >   repair a kite worth only $250.
>   >
>   >   Thanks for the info on airtimegear.com.  Their web sight
doesn't
>   have
>   >   anything on kite baldders, but I will email them.
>   >
>   >   Hal
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "pksebago"
<Patkeeley@a...>
>   wrote:
>   >   >
>   >   > Try www.airtimegear.com for bladders
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
>   >   > <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
>   >   > > I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
>   >   > > I thought I share this info with anyone who like
>   >   > > myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
>   >   > > gear.
>   >   > >
>   >   > > My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
>   >   > > long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
>   >   > > this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
>   >   > > 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
>   >   > > gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
>   >   > > harder so that it keeps its shape.
>   >   > > 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
>   >   > > cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
>   >   > >  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
>   >   > > in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
>   >   > >
>   >   > > So, I thought I'd pass that on.
>   >   > >
>   >   > > Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
>   >   > > buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!
>   >   > >
>   >   > > thanks
>   >   > > p
>   >   > >
>   >   > > =====
>   >   > > Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And
there
>   are
>   >   5
>   >   > people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either
my
>   mum
>   >   or
>   >   > my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-
Cha-
>   Chu.
>   >   > >
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The key to not going insane, or developing an overwhelming urge to destroy
something, is to use cello tape to hold it all together! The patch must be taped
down too.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
http://www.kitepower.com.au

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: haltabb
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:14 AM
   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites


   Steve,
   Thanks for the great guidance.  I will give it a try...Hal


   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kite Power \(Sydney\)"
   <sydney@k...> wrote:
   > Repairing large splits in bladders is not that hard, I do it
   regualrly here to save people like you buying a bladder for a kite
   that is realistically on its last legs.
   > Get the old bladder out and get an old bladder (shops are the best
   source) cut a patch at least 50% as big as needed. Trace the shape of
   the split onto the patch with a marker pen. Turn the patch over and
   cello tape it to a flat hard surface like a formica table top.
   > Put a thin continous bead of glue approx 1cm away from the line on
   your patch all the way around the line.
   > Carefully lay the bladder over the patch, using the line you traced
   earlier, to align the bladder, patch and glue properly.
   > Then place heavy phone books or similar on the patch and leave for
   at least 30 mins, but longer if you have the time.
   >
   > Remove bladder from the table top and inflate, check for leaks. If
   you are lucky and were careful with your handywork, the repair will
   be finished.
   > If not, you will have a small leak(S) somewhere, just apply glue
   between the oversize patch and the bladder in the area of the leak
   and weigh down with heavy objects again. Inflate and test againuntil
   you have got all the holes/leaks.
   >
   > If the rip is particularly long and jagged, carefully cellotape the
   tear back together as neat as needed, before commencing the first
   step of glueing the patch to the bladder above.
   >
   > I test for the initial leaks after the first repair attempt, with a
   spray bottle containing water and a couple of drops of dishwashing
   detergent, final leak test is in a large tub of water, with the
   bladder well inflated.
   >
   > I have successfully repaired holes as long as 24" approx. Good luck.
   > Cya and
   > Goodwinds
   > Steve McCormack
   > http://www.kitepower.com.au
   >
   >   ----- Original Message -----
   >   From: haltabb
   >   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   >   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:16 AM
   >   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites
   >
   >
   >   That's exactly what I am debating.  Do I just trash the kite or
   spend
   >   the money for the repair.  So I decided to send the kite off for
   >   repair and try and patch my bladder (unless I can find a cheap
   >   replacement).  You are right, there is no point in spending $200
   to
   >   repair a kite worth only $250.
   >
   >   Thanks for the info on airtimegear.com.  Their web sight doesn't
   have
   >   anything on kite baldders, but I will email them.
   >
   >   Hal
   >
   >
   >   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "pksebago" <Patkeeley@a...>
   wrote:
   >   >
   >   > Try www.airtimegear.com for bladders
   >   >
   >   >
   >   > --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
   >   > <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
   >   > > I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
   >   > > I thought I share this info with anyone who like
   >   > > myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
   >   > > gear.
   >   > >
   >   > > My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
   >   > > long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
   >   > > this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
   >   > > 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
   >   > > gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
   >   > > harder so that it keeps its shape.
   >   > > 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
   >   > > cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
   >   > >  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
   >   > > in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
   >   > >
   >   > > So, I thought I'd pass that on.
   >   > >
   >   > > Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
   >   > > buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!
   >   > >
   >   > > thanks
   >   > > p
   >   > >
   >   > > =====
   >   > > Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there
   are
   >   5
   >   > people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my
   mum
   >   or
   >   > my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-
   Chu.
   >   > >
   >   > > But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper
   >   > >
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Steve,
Thanks for the great guidance.  I will give it a try...Hal


--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "Kite Power \(Sydney\)"
<sydney@k...> wrote:
> Repairing large splits in bladders is not that hard, I do it
regualrly here to save people like you buying a bladder for a kite
that is realistically on its last legs.
> Get the old bladder out and get an old bladder (shops are the best
source) cut a patch at least 50% as big as needed. Trace the shape of
the split onto the patch with a marker pen. Turn the patch over and
cello tape it to a flat hard surface like a formica table top.
> Put a thin continous bead of glue approx 1cm away from the line on
your patch all the way around the line.
> Carefully lay the bladder over the patch, using the line you traced
earlier, to align the bladder, patch and glue properly.
> Then place heavy phone books or similar on the patch and leave for
at least 30 mins, but longer if you have the time.
>
> Remove bladder from the table top and inflate, check for leaks. If
you are lucky and were careful with your handywork, the repair will
be finished.
> If not, you will have a small leak(S) somewhere, just apply glue
between the oversize patch and the bladder in the area of the leak
and weigh down with heavy objects again. Inflate and test againuntil
you have got all the holes/leaks.
>
> If the rip is particularly long and jagged, carefully cellotape the
tear back together as neat as needed, before commencing the first
step of glueing the patch to the bladder above.
>
> I test for the initial leaks after the first repair attempt, with a
spray bottle containing water and a couple of drops of dishwashing
detergent, final leak test is in a large tub of water, with the
bladder well inflated.
>
> I have successfully repaired holes as long as 24" approx. Good luck.
> Cya and
> Goodwinds
> Steve McCormack
> http://www.kitepower.com.au
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: haltabb
>   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:16 AM
>   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites
>
>
>   That's exactly what I am debating.  Do I just trash the kite or
spend
>   the money for the repair.  So I decided to send the kite off for
>   repair and try and patch my bladder (unless I can find a cheap
>   replacement).  You are right, there is no point in spending $200
to
>   repair a kite worth only $250.
>
>   Thanks for the info on airtimegear.com.  Their web sight doesn't
have
>   anything on kite baldders, but I will email them.
>
>   Hal
>
>
>   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "pksebago" <Patkeeley@a...>
wrote:
>   >
>   > Try www.airtimegear.com for bladders
>   >
>   >
>   > --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
>   > <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
>   > > I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
>   > > I thought I share this info with anyone who like
>   > > myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
>   > > gear.
>   > >
>   > > My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
>   > > long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
>   > > this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
>   > > 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
>   > > gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
>   > > harder so that it keeps its shape.
>   > > 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
>   > > cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
>   > >  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
>   > > in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
>   > >
>   > > So, I thought I'd pass that on.
>   > >
>   > > Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
>   > > buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!
>   > >
>   > > thanks
>   > > p
>   > >
>   > > =====
>   > > Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there
are
>   5
>   > people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my
mum
>   or
>   > my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-
Chu.
>   > >
>   > > But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper
>   > >
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Repairing large splits in bladders is not that hard, I do it regualrly here to
save people like you buying a bladder for a kite that is realistically on its
last legs.
Get the old bladder out and get an old bladder (shops are the best source) cut a
patch at least 50% as big as needed. Trace the shape of the split onto the patch
with a marker pen. Turn the patch over and cello tape it to a flat hard surface
like a formica table top.
Put a thin continous bead of glue approx 1cm away from the line on your patch
all the way around the line.
Carefully lay the bladder over the patch, using the line you traced earlier, to
align the bladder, patch and glue properly.
Then place heavy phone books or similar on the patch and leave for at least 30
mins, but longer if you have the time.

Remove bladder from the table top and inflate, check for leaks. If you are lucky
and were careful with your handywork, the repair will be finished.
If not, you will have a small leak(S) somewhere, just apply glue between the
oversize patch and the bladder in the area of the leak and weigh down with heavy
objects again. Inflate and test againuntil you have got all the holes/leaks.

If the rip is particularly long and jagged, carefully cellotape the tear back
together as neat as needed, before commencing the first step of glueing the
patch to the bladder above.

I test for the initial leaks after the first repair attempt, with a spray bottle
containing water and a couple of drops of dishwashing detergent, final leak test
is in a large tub of water, with the bladder well inflated.

I have successfully repaired holes as long as 24" approx. Good luck.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
http://www.kitepower.com.au

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: haltabb
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:16 AM
   Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: old exploding kites


   That's exactly what I am debating.  Do I just trash the kite or spend
   the money for the repair.  So I decided to send the kite off for
   repair and try and patch my bladder (unless I can find a cheap
   replacement).  You are right, there is no point in spending $200 to
   repair a kite worth only $250.

   Thanks for the info on airtimegear.com.  Their web sight doesn't have
   anything on kite baldders, but I will email them.

   Hal


   --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "pksebago" <Patkeeley@a...> wrote:
   >
   > Try www.airtimegear.com for bladders
   >
   >
   > --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
   > <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
   > > I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
   > > I thought I share this info with anyone who like
   > > myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
   > > gear.
   > >
   > > My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
   > > long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
   > > this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
   > > 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
   > > gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
   > > harder so that it keeps its shape.
   > > 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
   > > cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
   > >  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
   > > in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
   > >
   > > So, I thought I'd pass that on.
   > >
   > > Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
   > > buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!
   > >
   > > thanks
   > > p
   > >
   > > =====
   > > Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there are
   5
   > people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum
   or
   > my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu.
   > >
   > > But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper
   > >
   > > __________________________________
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That's exactly what I am debating.  Do I just trash the kite or spend
the money for the repair.  So I decided to send the kite off for
repair and try and patch my bladder (unless I can find a cheap
replacement).  You are right, there is no point in spending $200 to
repair a kite worth only $250.

Thanks for the info on airtimegear.com.  Their web sight doesn't have
anything on kite baldders, but I will email them.

Hal


--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, "pksebago" <Patkeeley@a...> wrote:
>
> Try www.airtimegear.com for bladders
>
>
> --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
> <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
> > I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
> > I thought I share this info with anyone who like
> > myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
> > gear.
> >
> > My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
> > long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
> > this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
> > 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
> > gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
> > harder so that it keeps its shape.
> > 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
> > cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
> >  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
> > in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
> >
> > So, I thought I'd pass that on.
> >
> > Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
> > buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!
> >
> > thanks
> > p
> >
> > =====
> > Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there are
5
> people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum
or
> my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu.
> >
> > But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com

Try www.airtimegear.com for bladders


--- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
<chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
> I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
> I thought I share this info with anyone who like
> myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
> gear.
>
> My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
> long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
> this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
> 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
> gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
> harder so that it keeps its shape.
> 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
> cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
>  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
> in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
>
> So, I thought I'd pass that on.
>
> Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
> buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!
>
> thanks
> p
>
> =====
> Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there are 5
people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum or
my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu.
>
> But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com

Hi Hal, someone else sent me a link to airtime..
however I find it hard to justify the cost of $145 and
shipping is $7.50 for their 37' L.E. Bladder.

Someone is selling me an f-one mach-1 18M (last years
model) for $400.  I cant see myself buying a bladder
for a kite that is on its last legs

Unless someone can point us at a cheaper source???

thanks again for the responses
p
--- haltabb <hal@...> wrote:
> I blew up the leading edge on my 2000 15.5 AR5  two
> weeks ago just by
> pumping it up.  Yes I pumped it up too much!
> Airtime under
> kiterepair.com has been very responsive on the
> repair.  I haven't
> gotten the kite back yet, so I haven't seen their
> work.  If you find
> a good source for bladders please let me know.  I am
> trying to patch
> mine, but would rather a new one if I can find one
> cheap.
>
> Hal
>
>  --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
> <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
> > I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact
> but
> > I thought I share this info with anyone who like
> > myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford
> second-hand
> > gear.
> >
> > My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
> > long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons
> for
> > this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling)
> are...
> > 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the
> kite
> > gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to
> pump it
> > harder so that it keeps its shape.
> > 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to
> being
> > cut by little shells or damage from hitting the
> water.
> >  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly
> turns
> > in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
> >
> > So, I thought I'd pass that on.
> >
> > Could anyone point me the direction of where I
> might
> > buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M???
> PLEASE!!!
> >
> > thanks
> > p
> >
> > =====
> > Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are
> Chinese. And there are 5
> people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's
> either my mum or
> my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger
> brother Ho-Cha-Chu.
> >
> > But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
>
>


=====
Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there are 5 people in my
family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum or my dad. Or my older
brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu.

But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
http://search.yahoo.com

I blew up the leading edge on my 2000 15.5 AR5  two weeks ago just by
pumping it up.  Yes I pumped it up too much!  Airtime under
kiterepair.com has been very responsive on the repair.  I haven't
gotten the kite back yet, so I haven't seen their work.  If you find
a good source for bladders please let me know.  I am trying to patch
mine, but would rather a new one if I can find one cheap.

Hal

  --- In ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Bobbins
<chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
> I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
> I thought I share this info with anyone who like
> myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
> gear.
>
> My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
> long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
> this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
> 1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
> gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
> harder so that it keeps its shape.
> 2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
> cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
>  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
> in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon
>
> So, I thought I'd pass that on.
>
> Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
> buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!
>
> thanks
> p
>
> =====
> Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there are 5
people in my family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum or
my dad. Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu.
>
> But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com

Any kite can blow like yours, but it is most likely to happen to older kites
now. It can still be repaired, but you need to take it to someone with
expereince in repairing LE's. You should be able to the bladder from any Wipika
dealer in your country, if you cannot get one I could most likely get one for
you.
If you are in the US you can get non genuine at around half the price of
genuine, and I'm told they are even better than originals.

Underinflating kites means you lose some performance, and they are a lot harder
to re-launch.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
http://www.kitepower.com.au

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bobby Bobbins
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:15 PM
   Subject: [ksurfschool] old exploding kites


   I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
   I thought I share this info with anyone who like
   myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
   gear.

   My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
   long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
   this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
   1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
   gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
   harder so that it keeps its shape.
   2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
   cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
   With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
   in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon

   So, I thought I'd pass that on.

   Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
   buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!

   thanks
   p

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I guess this seems stupidly obvious after the fact but
I thought I share this info with anyone who like
myself is a)a novice and b)can only afford second-hand
gear.

My 2000 Airblast blew up last night.  There's a 1M
long gash in the LE tube and inner.  The reasons for
this (all the pro's must be nodding/smiling) are...
1)Dont inflate your kite too much.  Even as the kite
gets older and tired.. avoid the temptation to pump it
harder so that it keeps its shape.
2)The tired fabric is even more suseptable to being
cut by little shells or damage from hitting the water.
  With it pumped hard.. a little cut very quickly turns
in to something horrible.. like bursting a balloon

So, I thought I'd pass that on.

Could anyone point me the direction of where I might
buy a bladder for a 2000 Airblast 11.8M??? PLEASE!!!

thanks
p

=====
Apparently, 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there are 5 people in my
family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum or my dad. Or my older
brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu.

But I think it's Colin.   --Tommy Cooper

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Thanks Mark.  I just joined the group.

George
--- Mark Pronk <mpronk@...> wrote:
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>
> I'd suggest you to go to the foildesign group @
> yahoo..
>
> There is a full range of guys doing just that!
>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Foildesign
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> Have fun building!!!
>
> Mark
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> Verzonden: maandag 5 mei 2003 17:04
> Aan: FKSA; KSURFSCHOOL
> Onderwerp: [ksurfschool] Kite design and
> construction
>
>
> Has anyone designed and constructed a foil kite?  If
> so, I would like to know how successful you were and
> was it worth the cost of the materials.  I am
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> experimenting with various materials to see how it
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Hi George,

I'd suggest you to go to the foildesign group @ yahoo..

There is a full range of guys doing just that!

  <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Foildesign>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Foildesign

Have fun building!!!

Mark

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    Have fun kiting, whatever you fly!
           <http://www.foils.nl/> http://www.foils.nl
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: George Sarris [mailto:jakefarley2000@...]
Verzonden: maandag 5 mei 2003 17:04
Aan: FKSA; KSURFSCHOOL
Onderwerp: [ksurfschool] Kite design and construction


Has anyone designed and constructed a foil kite?  If
so, I would like to know how successful you were and
was it worth the cost of the materials.  I am
considering designing a small foil about 3m2
experimenting with various materials to see how it performs.

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Has anyone designed and constructed a foil kite?  If
so, I would like to know how successful you were and
was it worth the cost of the materials.  I am
considering designing a small foil about 3m2
experimenting with various materials to see how it performs.

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http://www.kitepower.com.au/news/storm_instructions.pdf
Click on the link above and print out the Adobe PDF document of the Flexifoil
Storm instruction booklet, it should help you to work it out.
Do not fly your kite unless you are sure it is rigged properly, you or other
downwind of you may get hurt, or worse!
There should be NO knots in any of your flying lines, knots reduce the strength
of your lines by at least 40-50%, possibly as much as 80%, depending on the
knot. If you break a rear line after launch the kite will spin out of control,
with a lot of power.

Get back to us if you still need help.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
http://www.kitepower.com.au

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Karl
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 5:50 AM
   Subject: [ksurfschool] Rigging a 4 line kite


   I know the answer to this has to be somewhere, but I haven't been
   able to find it.  I learned on a two line kite and then purchased a
   4 line kite in Maui, but didn't have time to rig it there.  I know I
   should have done it there...
   Anyway I tried to rig it and I think I got it right, but before the
   knots set in I would love to know for sure.  Specifically the lines
   I got seem to have small thin loops and larger thick loops.  I
   presume the small ones attach to the kite?  It also looks like I
   need to tie knots in a couple of the lines to make it work.

   Thanks for your help

   Karl



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I know the answer to this has to be somewhere, but I haven't been
able to find it.  I learned on a two line kite and then purchased a
4 line kite in Maui, but didn't have time to rig it there.  I know I
should have done it there...
Anyway I tried to rig it and I think I got it right, but before the
knots set in I would love to know for sure.  Specifically the lines
I got seem to have small thin loops and larger thick loops.  I
presume the small ones attach to the kite?  It also looks like I
need to tie knots in a couple of the lines to make it work.

Thanks for your help

Karl

I'd like a recommendation on bladder glue and patches.
  Is the glue a specialized glue or just a standard
vinyl repair glue?  Same for the patches?

Thanks,
George

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