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#3916 From: "wavehog101" <wavehog101@...>
Date: Sat Oct 12, 2002 12:58 am
Subject: Re: Where can I get plugs for the bladders?
wavehog101
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---Hey dixon,
  The plugs for all wipika, naish, cabrinha and other manufacturers
are two piece so you can replace them. Theres the actual valve and
then the plug that fits in a loop to keep it from being lost.
  So, if anyone has any old bladders or where I could get the plugs
from I would be very appreciative.
Thankyou,
Bob


  In ksurfschool@y..., "dixon76710" <dixon76710@y...> wrote:
>  Since the plugs and stem are one piece I doubt you would be able
to
> find the plugs only. The guys over on the yahoo foildesign group
> (homemade kites) are starting to build their own inflateable tube
> kites and were unable to locate a supplier of the stems and plugs
so
> they are buying cheap, blowup toys and cutting them out to use on
> their home made tubes. Ive lost two of mine and use earplugs. We
have
> a lot of manufacturing companies as clients in my business. One of
> them gives out to their workers hard rubber earplugs that fit
> perfect. even has a rubbery type chord between the two earplugs
that
> can be used to tie around the strut.    MARK
>
>
> --- In ksurfschool@y..., "wavehog101" <wavehog101@c...> wrote:
> >  Hey Everyone,
> > I'm trying to find where I can get the plugs that insert into
> > leading edge and the struts. I have a 13m wipika hydro and the
top
> > of the plug for the small strut broke off. I email the dealer
who I
> > bought it from and he said he hasn't heard of a problem like
that.
> > And said he couldn't locate any. I sure that someone has to sell
> > them. There plastic and are going to brake occasionally. I only
> need
> > one but would like to get set of them.
> >  Any help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!
> >
> > Thankyou,
> > Bob March

#3917 From: "wavehog101" <wavehog101@...>
Date: Sat Oct 12, 2002 1:02 am
Subject: Re: Where can I get plugs for the bladders?
wavehog101
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---Dixon, Also thanks for the information on the rubber plugs I will
try that as a last resort.

  In ksurfschool@y..., "dixon76710" <dixon76710@y...> wrote:
>  Since the plugs and stem are one piece I doubt you would be able
to
> find the plugs only. The guys over on the yahoo foildesign group
> (homemade kites) are starting to build their own inflateable tube
> kites and were unable to locate a supplier of the stems and plugs
so
> they are buying cheap, blowup toys and cutting them out to use on
> their home made tubes. Ive lost two of mine and use earplugs. We
have
> a lot of manufacturing companies as clients in my business. One of
> them gives out to their workers hard rubber earplugs that fit
> perfect. even has a rubbery type chord between the two earplugs
that
> can be used to tie around the strut.    MARK
>
>
> --- In ksurfschool@y..., "wavehog101" <wavehog101@c...> wrote:
> >  Hey Everyone,
> > I'm trying to find where I can get the plugs that insert into
> > leading edge and the struts. I have a 13m wipika hydro and the
top
> > of the plug for the small strut broke off. I email the dealer
who I
> > bought it from and he said he hasn't heard of a problem like
that.
> > And said he couldn't locate any. I sure that someone has to sell
> > them. There plastic and are going to brake occasionally. I only
> need
> > one but would like to get set of them.
> >  Any help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!
> >
> > Thankyou,
> > Bob March

#3918 From: "dixon76710" <dixon76710@...>
Date: Sat Oct 12, 2002 1:05 am
Subject: Re: Where can I get plugs for the bladders?
dixon76710
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Im on naish AR5s. One piece arrangement.  Good luck. Id try emailing
Manufacturers web site to ask.    MARK

--- In ksurfschool@y..., "wavehog101" <wavehog101@c...> wrote:
> ---Hey dixon,
>  The plugs for all wipika, naish, cabrinha and other manufacturers
> are two piece so you can replace them. Theres the actual valve and
> then the plug that fits in a loop to keep it from being lost.
>  So, if anyone has any old bladders or where I could get the plugs
> from I would be very appreciative.
> Thankyou,
> Bob
>
>
>  In ksurfschool@y..., "dixon76710" <dixon76710@y...> wrote:
> >  Since the plugs and stem are one piece I doubt you would be able
> to
> > find the plugs only. The guys over on the yahoo foildesign group
> > (homemade kites) are starting to build their own inflateable tube
> > kites and were unable to locate a supplier of the stems and plugs
> so
> > they are buying cheap, blowup toys and cutting them out to use on
> > their home made tubes. Ive lost two of mine and use earplugs. We
> have
> > a lot of manufacturing companies as clients in my business. One
of
> > them gives out to their workers hard rubber earplugs that fit
> > perfect. even has a rubbery type chord between the two earplugs
> that
> > can be used to tie around the strut.    MARK
> >
> >
> > --- In ksurfschool@y..., "wavehog101" <wavehog101@c...> wrote:
> > >  Hey Everyone,
> > > I'm trying to find where I can get the plugs that insert into
> > > leading edge and the struts. I have a 13m wipika hydro and the
> top
> > > of the plug for the small strut broke off. I email the dealer
> who I
> > > bought it from and he said he hasn't heard of a problem like
> that.
> > > And said he couldn't locate any. I sure that someone has to
sell
> > > them. There plastic and are going to brake occasionally. I only
> > need
> > > one but would like to get set of them.
> > >  Any help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!
> > >
> > > Thankyou,
> > > Bob March

#3919 From: "TheYellowJersey" <jeromedayton@...>
Date: Mon Oct 14, 2002 6:37 pm
Subject: Physics of Kites
TheYellowJersey
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Does anyone know a good site that explains the physics of kites?  I'm
particularly curious as to why pulling on one side of the kite causes
it to turn.  While I have seen sites that discuss the wind window and
the efficiency vs size of the kites, I haven't seen anything that
specifically discusses why kites turn.

Thanks

Jerome-

#3920 From: "David Stanek" <staff@...>
Date: Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: Physics of Kites
staff@...
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Try to search some paragliding/hanggliding sites - physics of the weight
shifting turns are very similar. Using brakes (foils) is also the same as on
PG.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: TheYellowJersey [mailto:jeromedayton@...]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:38 AM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Physics of Kites


Does anyone know a good site that explains the physics of kites?  I'm
particularly curious as to why pulling on one side of the kite causes
it to turn.  While I have seen sites that discuss the wind window and
the efficiency vs size of the kites, I haven't seen anything that
specifically discusses why kites turn.

Thanks

Jerome-



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#3921 From: "Richard G. Iossi" <rick@...>
Date: Tue Oct 15, 2002 7:03 am
Subject: RE: Physics of Kites
spamo00
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NASA has some good information at:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/bgk.html

and

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/kitedrag.html

WindDance has had a nice site for years going over this subject at:

http://www.seattleairgear.com/kp101.htm

Rick Iossi

-----Original Message-----
From: TheYellowJersey [mailto:jeromedayton@...]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:38 PM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Physics of Kites

Does anyone know a good site that explains the physics of kites?  I'm
particularly curious as to why pulling on one side of the kite causes
it to turn.  While I have seen sites that discuss the wind window and
the efficiency vs size of the kites, I haven't seen anything that
specifically discusses why kites turn.

Thanks

Jerome-



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#3922 From: "vytaspass" <surfsup@...>
Date: Wed Oct 16, 2002 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: Physics of Kites
vytaspass
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As an aerospace engineer, let me say something in basic terms. The
kite is not pulled on one side, but on the back corner of one side.
This effectively increases the angle of attack for that side, which
causes a greater pressure difference on that side of the kite
creating more (or less, in light winds due to stall) lift. The more
lift will pull that side away from you sending it "back" which brings
the other side more forward which turns the kite. If your kite is at
zenith, and you pull on the right rear line, the right side of the
kite will increase in lift and be sent slightly away from you and the
left side will come forward to equalize, and the kite will simply
move to the right in the direction its facing...(I think)

V
www.chicagokitesurfing.com

--- In ksurfschool@y..., "TheYellowJersey" <jeromedayton@y...> wrote:
> Does anyone know a good site that explains the physics of kites?
I'm
> particularly curious as to why pulling on one side of the kite
causes
> it to turn.  While I have seen sites that discuss the wind window
and
> the efficiency vs size of the kites, I haven't seen anything that
> specifically discusses why kites turn.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jerome-

#3923 From: "Rick Iossi" <flkitesurfer@...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 12:41 pm
Subject: Let's Help Some Kiteboarders Out
flkitesurfer
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Kiteboarders should pull together to support each other and access when and
where we can.  All call for help has come out of South Africa, an email from
you could make a difference. Please see below.

Thank you,
Rick Iossi
AKA Kiteboarding Committee

(Reposted from
http://www.kiteforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=2904&forum=1&9)

Hi folks,

I just spoke to a friend in Cape Town, Angus from Cape Dr. He told me that
there is a plan to build a hovercraft link all across the table bay, in
which most kite- and windsurfing is going on and some surfing, too. The
hovercraft would be running close to the shore (about 1km), and would
seriously impact that brilliant surfing area. Noise, danger from the hover
craft, etc.

All sorts of people are protesting, from surfers to residents and
environmental agencies. It would be great if you could support the protest
with a simple email.

Please write an email to goose@... with the subject line
"Hovercraft protest" and a few lines describing why you are against it and
may be that it could impact your decision to go kiting in Cape Town.

Goose (=Angus) will then collect all those emails, print them out and take
them to the next council meeting, to give the voice of protest against this
project more weight.

If you want to check out more, go to Wavescape at
http://www.wavescape.co.za/top_bar/tidings/Enviro/enviro_BBay4_FACTs.htm
Thanks very much in advance for your help!

Cheers,

Nico



A form email that we can use appears below:


I understand that a new hovercraft route and landing facility is
contemplated for Big Bay in Cape Town. If this intended use comes to pass it
will seriously impact watersports in this area. In particular the unsafe
conditions created by this use will likely eliminate kiteboarding in this
area.

At present many tourists from Africa, Europe and other areas visit this area
primarily for kiteboarding. Excellent conditions for this popular sport
exist in Big Bay. I had planned on visiting the area myself to kiteboard.

If the proposed hovercraft facility is constructed as currently configured,
safe kiteboarding will no longer be possible. I understand from comments by
Dr. Johan Neethling, (ex head of Cape Nature Conservation) hired as
environmental consultant by Hovercape, that he personally believes there is
a better landing site 900m further north up the coast near Eerstesteen. He
feels this site would have less social impact.

If this project comes into being as currently proposed, it would remove a
primary reason for myself and many other tourists to vacation in your city.
I therefore request that alternative, less impacting routing and/or other
material modifications be considered for this project.


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#3924 From: "Rick Iossi" <flkitesurfer@...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:48 pm
Subject: Time for Helmets
flkitesurfer
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1.  I have heard reports of two kiteboarder head injuries in the last two
days. One rider died and the other was airlifted to the hospital and is
recovering.

2.  Helmets could have made a difference in the outcome of these and many
other accidents.

3.  Kiteboarding may be the only extreme sport involving altitude and
impacts in which helmets ARE NOT routinely worn.  This should change.

and the details:

I just heard a report this morning about another kiteboarding fatality
resulting from a head injury in South Africa. I will do further research
before writing the complete account.  I heard about another serious head
injury in Jacksonville, FL yesterday. The rider was evacuated to the
hospital by helicopter for a concussion and a broken rib. This kiteboarder
is recovering.

Neither kiteboarder was wearing a helmet.  There have been so many other
cases in which a helmet may have reduced injury.  Sometimes a serious head
impact occurred, in other cases one very easily could have.  If you aren't
wearing a helmet you are putting your health and life up for grabs if things
go wrong. Neither of these riders were out in what would be perceived as
"extreme" conditions. They did make a few mistakes but were largely just
unlucky.

Virtually ALL extreme sport involving altitude and potential impacts
routinely use helmets.  Kiteboarding should be no different.  This
incredible, extreme sport can be relatively safe with the right training,
gear and judgment. Millions of hours of injury free riding support this
conclusion but accidents will happen as in any sport.  It would be good to
bring this young sport further along the learning curve to reduce the
avoidable accidents. People needed to see serious consequences before moving
to using kite leashes. This trend is building today fortunately.  How many
more avoidable injuries do we need to make helmet and other safety gear use
routine?  You can count them up including the two head injury fatalitites in
the last few months. We really should react today to avoid more of these
needless injuries. I believe that routine helmet use will come to this
sport, sooner would be much better than later.

It is not enough to simply use a "helmet" but it needs to be one appropriate
for kiteboarding. Helmets can potentially cause injury too in the more
extreme types of riding. More about this soon.

Please think about it,
Rick Iossi





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#3925 From: "Chris" <splatacat@...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:00 pm
Subject: controll bar setup with depowering
splatacat
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Hi im Chris from south africa and have built a power kite
and would like to know if someone could tell me how to setup
a 4 line control bar with depowering. would appreciate it.

also does anyone know the best way to make bladders, planing a bigger
inflatable kite.

Happy surfing
Chris

#3926 From: "dixon76710" <dixon76710@...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: controll bar setup with depowering
dixon76710
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Go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Foildesign/
They are experimenting with making their own bladders
dont seem to be totally succesful yet but getting there. They also
have kite designs they share with each other once they get them
dialed in.
Go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kitesurf/
and you can see a multitude of different homemade bars and depower
systems in the files section. Simple setup for a tube kite is is back
lines to the ends of the bar front two lines to a single piece of
rope about two foot long that is threaded thru a hole in the center
of the bar and attached to a small loop for your harness. You pull
the bar in and out to to make the front lines shorter or longer.
You should try to get to where some local kitesurfers are and look at
them yourself. You might even be able to find someone to sell you one
real cheap. Most new kites you have to buy the bar that comes with it
and a lot of guys already have one they like and throw the new one in
the closet. Much respect, I tried to sew together my own foil kite
and spent many hours and ended up with a piece of crap. I didnt know
what I was doing.  Good luck    MARK

--- In ksurfschool@y..., "Chris" <splatacat@y...> wrote:
> Hi im Chris from south africa and have built a power kite
> and would like to know if someone could tell me how to setup
> a 4 line control bar with depowering. would appreciate it.
>
> also does anyone know the best way to make bladders, planing a
bigger
> inflatable kite.
>
> Happy surfing
> Chris

#3927 From: "hink_trent" <hink_trent@...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 2:57 am
Subject: Re: controll bar setup with depowering
hink_trent
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If the kite you built is a foil then it is pretty tricky to get a
real depower effect. The foil has do be designed correctly as well as
the bridle.

With a standard foil you can rig the main lines to the end of the bar
and tie the brake lines together and run them through a hole in the
middle of the bar. However, it is not a real depower like you see on
the Flysurfer, Boom and some other new foils. You can briefly
increase the power by pulling in on the center line and kill it
completely by pulling it in even more.

The new foils are different. Sheeting in and out changes the angle of
attack just like with a 4 line inflatable kite or at least very
similar. Very hard to design but very easy to use - unlike the old
style foils. Pretty much all of the old foil designs will stall and
fall out of the sky if you try to get them to depower in this way.

--- In ksurfschool@y..., "Chris" <splatacat@y...> wrote:
> Hi im Chris from south africa and have built a power kite
> and would like to know if someone could tell me how to setup
> a 4 line control bar with depowering. would appreciate it.
>
> also does anyone know the best way to make bladders, planing a
bigger
> inflatable kite.
>
> Happy surfing
> Chris

#3928 From: "dixon76710" <dixon76710@...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 6:35 am
Subject: Re: controll bar setup with depowering
dixon76710
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Thanks for catching that. After rereading his post I dont know why I
assumed he was talking about an inflateable.The guys over on the Foil
design group seem to favor the ARC type kites for water over a
bridled foil. Dont know which chris made.   MARK

--- In ksurfschool@y..., "hink_trent" <hink_trent@y...> wrote:
> If the kite you built is a foil then it is pretty tricky to get a
> real depower effect. The foil has do be designed correctly as well
as
> the bridle.
>
> With a standard foil you can rig the main lines to the end of the
bar
> and tie the brake lines together and run them through a hole in the
> middle of the bar. However, it is not a real depower like you see
on
> the Flysurfer, Boom and some other new foils. You can briefly
> increase the power by pulling in on the center line and kill it
> completely by pulling it in even more.
>
> The new foils are different. Sheeting in and out changes the angle
of
> attack just like with a 4 line inflatable kite or at least very
> similar. Very hard to design but very easy to use - unlike the old
> style foils. Pretty much all of the old foil designs will stall and
> fall out of the sky if you try to get them to depower in this way.
>
> --- In ksurfschool@y..., "Chris" <splatacat@y...> wrote:
> > Hi im Chris from south africa and have built a power kite
> > and would like to know if someone could tell me how to setup
> > a 4 line control bar with depowering. would appreciate it.
> >
> > also does anyone know the best way to make bladders, planing a
> bigger
> > inflatable kite.
> >
> > Happy surfing
> > Chris

#3929 From: "Suntrax" <Suntrax@...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 6:49 am
Subject: Re: controll bar setup with depowering
b230846
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Hi Chris

Our local (Capetown) kite and sail repairer, Paul, has just finished making
an inflatable kite,(standard Naish/North design) which he now flies and is
happy with. He also made the bladders as he has a welding system for
repairing damaged bladders.
Would suggest you contact him at 082 6509290 for bladder ideas.

A 4 line control system would depend very much on the design of the kite, if
you are in Capetown, pop into our shop for a chat, we have many bars and
depower systems

Regards

Brian

  (====o]></

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Brian Wilson
Suntrax
Tel/fax 27 21 5560044
cell; 0824656696
www.suntrax.co.za
suntrax@...
Open 7/12/363
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:00 PM
Subject: [ksurfschool] controll bar setup with depowering


> Hi im Chris from south africa and have built a power kite
> and would like to know if someone could tell me how to setup
> a 4 line control bar with depowering. would appreciate it.
>
> also does anyone know the best way to make bladders, planing a bigger
> inflatable kite.
>
> Happy surfing
> Chris
>
>
>
> If you are new to kitesurfing, please visit
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>
>

#3930 From: "Chris" <splatacat@...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: controll bar setup with depowering
splatacat
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Hey guys thanks for the info,
sorry for the confusion I should have told you the kite i've
built is a sparred sled. not good over water.
Chris
--- In ksurfschool@y..., "dixon76710" <dixon76710@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for catching that. After rereading his post I dont know why
I
> assumed he was talking about an inflateable.The guys over on the
Foil
> design group seem to favor the ARC type kites for water over a
> bridled foil. Dont know which chris made.   MARK
>

#3931 From: "vytaspass" <surfsup@...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: controll bar setup with depowering
vytaspass
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I have a diagram here:

http://www.chicagokitesurfing.com/safetyinformation/barmodifications/b
armods.html

which shows the bar and lines and depowering strap to "chicken loop"
with a sliding ring safety-leash system. But it works for inflatables
and other 4 line kites on teh market nad should be used only as a
template for your kite.

V
www.chicagokitesurfing.com

--- In ksurfschool@y..., "Chris" <splatacat@y...> wrote:
> Hi im Chris from south africa and have built a power kite
> and would like to know if someone could tell me how to setup
> a 4 line control bar with depowering. would appreciate it.
>
> also does anyone know the best way to make bladders, planing a
bigger
> inflatable kite.
>
> Happy surfing
> Chris

#3932 From: "sartois2k1" <sartois99@...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 4:11 pm
Subject: Connecting Lines
sartois2k1
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Hi,

  I'm just starting in the sport and I'm still learning how to fly a
kite on land, so bear with me. :)
  I've bought a 2.5m traction kite, just to learn the basics on and
I've run into the problem of tieing lines. What knots should I use to
connect kite to lines to control handles?
  I'm also trying to find a good kite shop in the Nottingham area, if
anyone knows one.

Thx,

Alex.

#3933 From: "Jo Macdonald" <mrjomacdonald@...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: Connecting Lines
mrjomacdonald
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Hi Alex,
Use a lark's head loop to attach the lines
There's pictures of how to make and attach the loop here
http://www.prismkites.com/new-site/first-flight2.htm

You can find some good tips here too
http://www.kitesurfingschool.org/

Ask local kiters for tips and a few leasons with a good instructor
are priceless.
Use traction kite on big open areas, free of any obstacles in light
constant wind and don't hook in with the kite at zenith.
Have fun and stay safe.
Jo


>  I'm just starting in the sport and I'm still learning how to fly a
> kite on land, so bear with me. :)
>  I've bought a 2.5m traction kite, just to learn the basics on and
> I've run into the problem of tieing lines. What knots should I use
to
> connect kite to lines to control handles?
>  I'm also trying to find a good kite shop in the Nottingham area,
if
> anyone knows one.
>
> Thx,
>
> Alex.

#3934 From: "pksebago" <Patkeeley@...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 7:34 pm
Subject: Multiple kites - one bar/lineset?
pksebago
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I've recently purchased an inflatable an have a chance to add another
which doesn't have a bar or lines.  I have a bunch of foils and
Cquads which I have rigged with handles and have linesets for each.
I couldn't imagine rerigging and tuning those each time.  Is this
true for inflatables or can I fly two kites and just swap lines?
Seems like the setup time wouldn't be that bad.  Kites are Wipika 9 &
11 rigged 4 line.   Just curious what most people do.  Thanks

#3935 From: "vytaspass" <surfsup@...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: Multiple kites - one bar/lineset?
vytaspass
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Most inflatables, brand-to-brand, require line setups that are
similar. Usually, same-manufacturer kites use the same exact setup.
If you have two Wipikas of the same year and type, but different
sizes, it should be the same setup. For different types of kites,
usually, you can get by with the additional "play" of the 6inch
knotted leaders located on the kite at the attachment points. You can
move one line-set (fronts or backs) closer or further from the kite
to get your kite tuned properly. Most infatables fly with only a 2-3"
change in linesetup so one bar can be used for all of 'em.

V
www.chicagokitesurfing.com

--- In ksurfschool@y..., "pksebago" <Patkeeley@a...> wrote:
> I've recently purchased an inflatable an have a chance to add
another
> which doesn't have a bar or lines.  I have a bunch of foils and
> Cquads which I have rigged with handles and have linesets for
each.
> I couldn't imagine rerigging and tuning those each time.  Is this
> true for inflatables or can I fly two kites and just swap lines?
> Seems like the setup time wouldn't be that bad.  Kites are Wipika 9
&
> 11 rigged 4 line.   Just curious what most people do.  Thanks

#3936 From: "sartois2k1" <sartois99@...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 10:05 pm
Subject: 2nd Beginner Question
sartois2k1
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Hi again,

  Already another question. :) After Jo's helpful advice I've found
that my line has no loop at the end, which I presume is the industry
standard way of selling the stuff.
  Anyone got a good internet link that can teach me how to tie a loop
into a line?

Thx,

Alex.

#3937 From: "Chris Glazier" <cglazier@...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 3:08 am
Subject: Re: 2nd Beginner Question
cfglazier
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--- In ksurfschool@y..., "sartois2k1" <sartois99@h...> wrote:
>  Anyone got a good internet link that can teach me how to tie a
loop
> into a line?

Alex

Look at the picture at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kitesurf/files/Chris%27s%
20Stuff/knots2.jpg

Or just go to the kitesurf group files area and find Chris's stuff.

Either the Figure 8 knot or the Overhand can make a strong loop. The
Bowline works but will weaken the line more than the other two.

Chris G

#3938 From: "vytaspass" <surfsup@...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: 2nd Beginner Question
vytaspass
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http://www.chicagokitesurfing.com/tipsandtricks.html

Scroll down a bit for an overhand with a lark's head. A figure-eight
is the strongest knot (doesn't weaken the line as much as other
knots). Haven't made a diagram for that yet.

--- In ksurfschool@y..., "sartois2k1" <sartois99@h...> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
>  Already another question. :) After Jo's helpful advice I've found
> that my line has no loop at the end, which I presume is the
industry
> standard way of selling the stuff.
>  Anyone got a good internet link that can teach me how to tie a
loop
> into a line?
>
> Thx,
>
> Alex.

#3939 From: "Alger, David" <DAlger@...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 5:26 pm
Subject: Learning in Cabarete
chappakite
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Anyone want to comment on kite schools in Cabarete?  KiteExcite / Dare2Kite.
What about wind in November?  There are some cheap flights out there at this
time of year.  Thanks.

#3940 From: "windsurfingfool" <telecom800@...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 6:06 pm
Subject: Wanted Warrior 9.3 or Arc 840
windsurfingfool
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Hi - I am looking for a Arc 840 or a Warrior 9.3 to use on the snow
in the USA. Please email me dennis@... or call me at 978-
355-2408
Thanks
Dennis

#3941 From: Mark Pronk <mpronk@...>
Date: Fri Oct 25, 2002 7:50 am
Subject: RE: Wanted Warrior 9.3 or Arc 840
galgootje
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Dennis,

Contact Jim @ wetstuff.com i remember he had some gear for sale. Don't
exactly remember what he had, but you can contact him anyway. He's in
Salisbury, Maryland. Contact him on mail or phone.

wetstuff@...
800. 825.1245 (US CDN VI)

mARC

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   http://www.foils.tk
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: windsurfingfool [mailto:telecom800@...]
Verzonden: donderdag 24 oktober 2002 20:07
Aan: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [ksurfschool] Wanted Warrior 9.3 or Arc 840


Hi - I am looking for a Arc 840 or a Warrior 9.3 to use on the snow
in the USA. Please email me dennis@... or call me at 978-
355-2408
Thanks
Dennis


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#3942 From: "Chris Glazier" <cglazier@...>
Date: Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: Learning in Cabarete
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--- In ksurfschool@y..., "Alger, David" <DAlger@P...> wrote:
> Anyone want to comment on kite schools in Cabarete?  KiteExcite /
Dare2Kite.

There are several kite schools along kitebeach.  You can just walk
along kitebeach and choose one. A lot depends on just who is
teaching that week, and what kites they have available at the time
to teach on. KiteExcite runs one school and they did a good job for
some friends of mine.

According to the websites, October and November wind may be less
reliable than the rest of the year.

Chris G

#3943 From: "onewaysurfer" <onewaysurfer@...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:43 pm
Subject: Beginner on the Bay
onewaysurfer
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I'm new to kite surfing (newer than everyone else here I'm
sure), and just bought a trainer kite. I'm learning quickly on land
and should be in the water soon. My question is this. I live in
Annapolis, MD, and do not have too much free time to get out of
Annapolis. I've done some net research and found that the nearest
confirmed location for good surfing is Ocean City, but it's too far
for me to visit often. I left surfing back in Cali, and I have an
urge to do it out here, so when I saw some kiters back home, I
thought, "Hey, we have wind in MD! I could kitesurf!" I thought I
might be able to do some kiting right here on the Chesapeake Bay,
since there are obviously good winds (lots of sailboats and
sometimes windsurfers). However, I've never seen a kite out there. I
was just wondering if any of you veterans knew whether the Bay is a
good place to kite or not. If not I'll have to drag myself out to
Ocean City every time I want to kite which would be tough. Any info
would be great, but mainly if the conditions on the Bay are good, if
it seems reasonable to surf there, or if there are any regulations
prohibiting it. I know it's kind of obscure, but again, I will
appreciate any possible info. Thanks a bunch.

~John

#3944 From: "Dwight & Jacky" <fishersfort@...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:12 pm
Subject: Re: Beginner on the Bay
fishersfort
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Any place good for windsurfers is good for kiting. Go chase those windsurfers
around the bay. Most windsurfers know who the local kiters are.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: onewaysurfer
   To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:43 PM
   Subject: [ksurfschool] Beginner on the Bay


        I'm new to kite surfing (newer than everyone else here I'm
   sure), and just bought a trainer kite. I'm learning quickly on land
   and should be in the water soon. My question is this. I live in
   Annapolis, MD, and do not have too much free time to get out of
   Annapolis. I've done some net research and found that the nearest
   confirmed location for good surfing is Ocean City, but it's too far
   for me to visit often. I left surfing back in Cali, and I have an
   urge to do it out here, so when I saw some kiters back home, I
   thought, "Hey, we have wind in MD! I could kitesurf!" I thought I
   might be able to do some kiting right here on the Chesapeake Bay,
   since there are obviously good winds (lots of sailboats and
   sometimes windsurfers). However, I've never seen a kite out there. I
   was just wondering if any of you veterans knew whether the Bay is a
   good place to kite or not. If not I'll have to drag myself out to
   Ocean City every time I want to kite which would be tough. Any info
   would be great, but mainly if the conditions on the Bay are good, if
   it seems reasonable to surf there, or if there are any regulations
   prohibiting it. I know it's kind of obscure, but again, I will
   appreciate any possible info. Thanks a bunch.

   ~John


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#3945 From: "annagraceamelia" <annagraceamelia@...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: Beginner on the Bay
annagraceamelia@...
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You sound like me (ex-cali surfer kitesurfing to stay wet.)
I am up in Wilmington, DE.
If you haven't already, take some lessons.
I am really only one step up the learning curve from you, I flew a
foil, tried to start on the water myself then had lessons, and am now
just starting in the water for real.

There is a group for kiters in this area and some are in Annapolis
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/M-A-K-A/
all sorts of info in the archives on sites and a good place to ask ?'s
(for instance, you can read about how I am an idiot and wasted a lot
of time and money until I took lessons this summer.)
also info on gear and local retailers.

feel free to email me

-Chris





--- In ksurfschool@y..., "Dwight & Jacky" <fishersfort@c...> wrote:
> Any place good for windsurfers is good for kiting. Go chase those
windsurfers around the bay. Most windsurfers know who the local
kiters are.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: onewaysurfer
>   To: ksurfschool@y...
>   Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:43 PM
>   Subject: [ksurfschool] Beginner on the Bay
>
>
>        I'm new to kite surfing (newer than everyone else here I'm
>   sure), and just bought a trainer kite. I'm learning quickly on
land
>   and should be in the water soon. My question is this. I live in
>   Annapolis, MD, and do not have too much free time to get out of
>   Annapolis. I've done some net research and found that the nearest
>   confirmed location for good surfing is Ocean City, but it's too
far
>   for me to visit often. I left surfing back in Cali, and I have an
>   urge to do it out here, so when I saw some kiters back home, I
>   thought, "Hey, we have wind in MD! I could kitesurf!" I thought I
>   might be able to do some kiting right here on the Chesapeake Bay,
>   since there are obviously good winds (lots of sailboats and
>   sometimes windsurfers). However, I've never seen a kite out
there. I
>   was just wondering if any of you veterans knew whether the Bay is
a
>   good place to kite or not. If not I'll have to drag myself out to
>   Ocean City every time I want to kite which would be tough. Any
info
>   would be great, but mainly if the conditions on the Bay are good,
if
>   it seems reasonable to surf there, or if there are any
regulations
>   prohibiting it. I know it's kind of obscure, but again, I will
>   appreciate any possible info. Thanks a bunch.
>
>   ~John
>
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