Wich kite size is best for around 6-12 knots?? My currently weight is
about 70 kg 150Lbs and i have a pickelfork 161 ..Is it even possible
to surf in the lower 6-8 knots...Some people say that kites 0ver 20
sq m2
like naish or wipika 16,4 is to big you cant make a sine wave
pattern ..I was thinking becuase im not that heavy is it better to
have a little smaler kite like 17.5 or something that i kan sine
better..So is a bigger kite generally better for a heavier person
that can handle a little more wind than for a lighter person...Or
should ill I just by the biggest kite out there..I hope someone
could help me clear this out??
Why cant i get a wind range from naish or wipika ????
AND.......
To get into the Super light wind I use the North 22.5. It actually turns
plenty fast to make the turns necessary to generate power. At 200 lbs I
can ride in less than 10 kts.
I have also ridden the Air Blast 16.4 and it although it doesn't turn
super fast, it does turn fast enough as long as you have enough tension
on the front lines.
Relaunching these monsters in super light air can pose a problem, but
the wipika or North with the reverse relaunch makes it a lot easier.
You should be able to ride the pickle fork with either kite in very
light wind although a floatier board will obviously make a difference in
the amount of work you have to do.
Check out http://xtremebigair.com/kitesurfing/wipikawindrange.htm for
some info on windrange.
Philip
Philip Mann
Inland Sea Windsurf
http://www.inlandsea.com
Kitesite.net
http://www.kitesite.net
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To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Wich size for 6-12 knots??? Dazed an confused
again???
Wich kite size is best for around 6-12 knots?? My currently weight is
about 70 kg 150Lbs and i have a pickelfork 161 ..Is it even possible
to surf in the lower 6-8 knots...Some people say that kites 0ver 20
sq m2
like naish or wipika 16,4 is to big you cant make a sine wave
pattern ..I was thinking becuase im not that heavy is it better to
have a little smaler kite like 17.5 or something that i kan sine
better..So is a bigger kite generally better for a heavier person
that can handle a little more wind than for a lighter person...Or
should ill I just by the biggest kite out there..I hope someone
could help me clear this out??
Why cant i get a wind range from naish or wipika ????
AND.......
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Anton,
I weigh 75-80kg as well (depending upon what I had for
breakfast). I fly an Arc 630, and sometimes my friends 840.
My experience is this:
The 630 was great for learning in 15-20 knots on a large board...
But I couldn't go upwind very easily. I have recently found that it
becomes really good in 20-28 knots on a smaller twin-tip, but
you risk finding yourself nastily overpowered... esp. if you don't
fly using a depower loop. The 840 seems to have a similar
power in about 5 knots less wind than the 630.
If you have the basics of kitesurfing under your belt already, then
my advice would be:
get an 840 if your local wind averages 20 knots (ie. 15-25 range)
get a 630 if it is a bit stronger than that, and get an 1120 if it is
significantly weaker than that.
I met a guy on the weekend who was flying a 460 ... the wind
was howling (25+ knots and quite gusty), and the water was
pretty heavy.. He found that the 460 was a bit underpowered in
the lulls, but good through the gusts.. It kinda sounds like the
460 would only be really good in stupidly strong wind.
Cheers
Jeremy
> Mel et al,
>
> After following the ARC discussions I am set to get one as we
move into
> summer here, however I have one question: what are the wind
ranges of the
> different models? I looked on the PL website, but could not
find this info
> ... even better, maybe someone has the practical answer to
this (as opposed
> to the manufacturers spec!)
>
> If it helps, my weight is 80kg.
>
> Regards,
> Anton
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mel [mailto:kitebord@p...]
> Sent: 27 November 2001 03:41
> To: ksurfschool@y...
> Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] 4 season kite???
>
>
> radio rental <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
>
> > If your not on water... which I guess might be the
> > case in -15C. ...
> > ...
> > However, if you are looking for one kite, to be used
> > on both water at 30C and frozen water at -15C
>
> That's what I thought "4 seaon kite" meant also
>
> > ... then I
> > would recommend a Flexifoil Blade II. ...
> > ... Its not very relaunchable
> > tho!
>
> Which is why I recommended the ARC. I think an ARC works
better on a solid
> surface than a Blade does on a liquid one.
>
> > --- Mel <kitebord@p...> wrote:
> > > If you're on water (solid or liquid) in those temps,
> > > I'd suggest an ARC.
> > >
> > > Mel
>
>
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Thanks everyone
I'm new to computers (thought I posted to kites not kiteSURF)
Survey says Libre and Blades are my best option for temp. ranges on solid
and liquid surfases..any advice on solid only.
Tanks
Rob
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Hi Jeremy,
Thanks a million for this - this is exactly what I was looking for. I
suspected as much, but info from the wave face really helps. Looks like 840
will be the way to go - I will definitely be using depowering. My previous
"top end" kite was a 7.0m AR3.5. What are your overall impressions of the
ARC - are you as positive as the rest of the reviews we have seen? (I have
never seen one here, so there is no "try before you buy" option).
Regards,
Anton
-----Original Message-----
From: jeremybuzzard@... [mailto:jeremybuzzard@...]
Sent: 28 November 2001 03:12
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: 4 season kite???
Anton,
I weigh 75-80kg as well (depending upon what I had for
breakfast). I fly an Arc 630, and sometimes my friends 840.
My experience is this:
The 630 was great for learning in 15-20 knots on a large board...
But I couldn't go upwind very easily. I have recently found that it
becomes really good in 20-28 knots on a smaller twin-tip, but
you risk finding yourself nastily overpowered... esp. if you don't
fly using a depower loop. The 840 seems to have a similar
power in about 5 knots less wind than the 630.
If you have the basics of kitesurfing under your belt already, then
my advice would be:
get an 840 if your local wind averages 20 knots (ie. 15-25 range)
get a 630 if it is a bit stronger than that, and get an 1120 if it is
significantly weaker than that.
I met a guy on the weekend who was flying a 460 ... the wind
was howling (25+ knots and quite gusty), and the water was
pretty heavy.. He found that the 460 was a bit underpowered in
the lulls, but good through the gusts.. It kinda sounds like the
460 would only be really good in stupidly strong wind.
Cheers
Jeremy
> Mel et al,
>
> After following the ARC discussions I am set to get one as we
move into
> summer here, however I have one question: what are the wind
ranges of the
> different models? I looked on the PL website, but could not
find this info
> ... even better, maybe someone has the practical answer to
this (as opposed
> to the manufacturers spec!)
>
> If it helps, my weight is 80kg.
>
> Regards,
> Anton
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mel [mailto:kitebord@p...]
> Sent: 27 November 2001 03:41
> To: ksurfschool@y...
> Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] 4 season kite???
>
>
> radio rental <chickenoriental@y...> wrote:
>
> > If your not on water... which I guess might be the
> > case in -15C. ...
> > ...
> > However, if you are looking for one kite, to be used
> > on both water at 30C and frozen water at -15C
>
> That's what I thought "4 seaon kite" meant also
>
> > ... then I
> > would recommend a Flexifoil Blade II. ...
> > ... Its not very relaunchable
> > tho!
>
> Which is why I recommended the ARC. I think an ARC works
better on a solid
> surface than a Blade does on a liquid one.
>
> > --- Mel <kitebord@p...> wrote:
> > > If you're on water (solid or liquid) in those temps,
> > > I'd suggest an ARC.
> > >
> > > Mel
>
>
>
>
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Hi, Apologies all for talking about land based kites
here - delete if not interested
Rob sorry if I gave you the impression that Libre
Bora's can be used on water. They are designed
specifically for land. They do not work well with a
control bar, due to a fancy reactive bridle system.
If money is not an option then a couple of the best
land based kites would be a Predator mkIII, or Libre
Bora.
http://www.libre.de/start.htm (they also OEM the PL
Arc!)
http://www.skykites.demon.co.uk/ (predator - truly
awesome kite)
heres a link to some of the manufacturers
http://manufacturers.kitez.com/
Now, I have never flown an Arc, but, I have heard that
kites such as the Rhea foil have better handling
characteristics, its worth investigating. There are a
number of other manufacturers who have water based ram
air foils out this year, they are based more on the
shape of land based kites and therefore more efficient
than the inflatable or inflatable shaped kites (such
as the arc)
regards
p
[disclaimer - all comments in this mail come from a
complete novice who should not be listened to, I am
not resposible for anything]
--- Rob Campbell <rcam001@...> wrote:
> Thanks everyone
>
> I'm new to computers (thought I posted to kites not
> kiteSURF)
>
> Survey says Libre and Blades are my best option for
> temp. ranges on solid
> and liquid surfases..any advice on solid only.
>
> Tanks
> Rob
>
>
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family, so it must be one of them. It's either my mum or my dad. Or my older
brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu.
But I think it's Colin. --Tommy Cooper
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--- In ksurfschool@y..., rcam001@h... wrote:
> Can anyone poiunt me in right direction on building a back-strap
> \harness for a C Quad 4.2.
>
> tanks
> Rob
Rob I built one out of an old golf bag strap. I put a loop onto the
top of my handles in line with the top line, but coming off the back
side. I have homemade handles out of pvc pipe, so I just drilled a
hole. I played around with lengths on the strap until I found one
that was comfortable. I connected it with a small snap shackle to
the loop. My completed strap is the golf strap with a piece of line
on each end with a shackle on each end. Better to use a shackle that
has a swivel on it so you can untwist lines without having to
disconnect the strap each time. I'm sure you could use a piece of
nylon webbing instead of a golf bag strap. I was going to use one of
those weight lifting belts too, but never tried it. Good Luck Pat
We sell Libre kiting back straps - 2 sizes, adjustable, tested by many
people. Good for kiteskiing/jumping. $ 25.00
Regards
David
www.skylinewings.com
-----Original Message-----
From:
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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:59 AM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Re: Back strap?
--- In ksurfschool@y..., rcam001@h... wrote:
> Can anyone poiunt me in right direction on building a back-strap
> \harness for a C Quad 4.2.
>
> tanks
> Rob
Rob I built one out of an old golf bag strap. I put a loop onto the
top of my handles in line with the top line, but coming off the back
side. I have homemade handles out of pvc pipe, so I just drilled a
hole. I played around with lengths on the strap until I found one
that was comfortable. I connected it with a small snap shackle to
the loop. My completed strap is the golf strap with a piece of line
on each end with a shackle on each end. Better to use a shackle that
has a swivel on it so you can untwist lines without having to
disconnect the strap each time. I'm sure you could use a piece of
nylon webbing instead of a golf bag strap. I was going to use one of
those weight lifting belts too, but never tried it. Good Luck Pat
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Since everyone is trying to suggest some kites..
Libre Bora is an excellent kite for land, but designed to be flown with
handles and by experienced riders. We are JOJO and Libre North American
distributor and we have lots of hands-on experience with these kites. For
kiteskiing you should also consider the fabric characteristics - regular
Skytex (one side coated) absorbs water much faster than Chikara (two sides
coated) and sometimes ( at least here on west/wet coast) snow gets slushy
etc..
As far as Predator or Blades go - JOJO and LIBRE are even cheaper, better
made and for sure provide much better power and upwind. I have no problem
saying that - our results in both kiteskiing ( 2001 WISSA world champion)
and kitebuggying (1-2-3 USA 2000 & 2001; leaders in Europe since 1997
including 1-2-3 in 2001) speak for itself.
(We have replacement bridles for 3-line bar kiteskiing modification for all
JOJO kites and we should be able to offer this option to Boras as well)
Regards
David Stanek
www.skylinewings.com
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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:20 AM
To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Re: 4 season kite???...Part 2
Hi, Apologies all for talking about land based kites
here - delete if not interested
Rob sorry if I gave you the impression that Libre
Bora's can be used on water. They are designed
specifically for land. They do not work well with a
control bar, due to a fancy reactive bridle system.
If money is not an option then a couple of the best
land based kites would be a Predator mkIII, or Libre
Bora.
http://www.libre.de/start.htm (they also OEM the PL
Arc!)
http://www.skykites.demon.co.uk/ (predator - truly
awesome kite)
heres a link to some of the manufacturers
http://manufacturers.kitez.com/
Now, I have never flown an Arc, but, I have heard that
kites such as the Rhea foil have better handling
characteristics, its worth investigating. There are a
number of other manufacturers who have water based ram
air foils out this year, they are based more on the
shape of land based kites and therefore more efficient
than the inflatable or inflatable shaped kites (such
as the arc)
regards
p
[disclaimer - all comments in this mail come from a
complete novice who should not be listened to, I am
not resposible for anything]
--- Rob Campbell <rcam001@...> wrote:
> Thanks everyone
>
> I'm new to computers (thought I posted to kites not
> kiteSURF)
>
> Survey says Libre and Blades are my best option for
> temp. ranges on solid
> and liquid surfases..any advice on solid only.
>
> Tanks
> Rob
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>
>
=====
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older brother Colin. Or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu.
But I think it's Colin. --Tommy Cooper
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Inflatible light wind kite Information!!!!?....I want to get so much
information as possible..And yes i only want to buy an inflatible i
dont want to mess whith bridle lines, or handles, water in valves, or
sand in valves..And i dont want to lie on a folded kite for hours
just to get the air out the valves:)My current kites are cabrihna
9,4 and naish kite 3.5 5... Weight is about 150 lb.. board is 161
pickelfork and a bic flysurf 6.7 i need a kite whit a good low end
but not so much so it becomes a gap to my existing 9,4 say 6-12 whit
the pickelfork if its possible?? I was thinking about the naish 21,4
or the wipika 16,4 wich has the most low end and how much can i
handle..
My skill lets say i have been out whit my bic 6.7 and the 5 naish (2
lines)in 30 knots gusts and pretty big waves lets just say its scary
whitout a good edge sometimes:)What aabout does older naish Ar 5 ive
heard the have i good low end...And i think i really need a back
launch system as wipika airblast.. Is it hard to fix one to a naish
kite?..
My must have points:)
A) kite whith a good low end but i dont want to fly whitout control
in the gusts:)
B)Easy waterlunch
C)fully powerd in 6-12 knots
D)Be able to use my pickelfork even if i have to work a little harder
in the lulls
E)good quality
PS: In the kite size and reference guide (arx) it says that a 21.5
meter is usable in 1-5 knots? Personly i doubt it can fly in 1-3
knots winds???????????????
try a peter lunn arc. just once. you'll never go
back.
--- nostalgiker@... wrote:
> Inflatible light wind kite Information!!!!?....I
> want to get so much
> information as possible..And yes i only want to buy
> an inflatible i
> dont want to mess whith bridle lines, or handles,
> water in valves, or
> sand in valves..And i dont want to lie on a folded
> kite for hours
> just to get the air out the valves:)My current kites
> are cabrihna
> 9,4 and naish kite 3.5 5... Weight is about 150
> lb.. board is 161
> pickelfork and a bic flysurf 6.7 i need a kite whit
> a good low end
> but not so much so it becomes a gap to my existing
> 9,4 say 6-12 whit
> the pickelfork if its possible?? I was thinking
> about the naish 21,4
> or the wipika 16,4 wich has the most low end and how
> much can i
> handle..
> My skill lets say i have been out whit my bic 6.7
> and the 5 naish (2
> lines)in 30 knots gusts and pretty big waves lets
> just say its scary
> whitout a good edge sometimes:)What aabout does
> older naish Ar 5 ive
> heard the have i good low end...And i think i really
> need a back
> launch system as wipika airblast.. Is it hard to fix
> one to a naish
> kite?..
>
>
> My must have points:)
> A) kite whith a good low end but i dont want to fly
> whitout control
> in the gusts:)
> B)Easy waterlunch
> C)fully powerd in 6-12 knots
> D)Be able to use my pickelfork even if i have to
> work a little harder
> in the lulls
> E)good quality
>
> PS: In the kite size and reference guide (arx) it
> says that a 21.5
> meter is usable in 1-5 knots? Personly i doubt it
> can fly in 1-3
> knots winds???????????????
>
>
>
>
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Rene <kitesurfman@...> wrote:
> Hi Mel!
> I´ve read many things about the "Freebar" but I have not understand
> how it is build. can you please explain it to me?
If your front/center leader (trim line) is always connected to your harness
spreader by a snap shackle (instead of a removable trim loop) there's no
longer any need for that trim line to pass through the control bar (or any
fitting attached to the bar). You can then "free" your bar by passing the
trim line below the bar. It passes through the loop made by the harness
line, if you have one (I say "if" because some of us ARC users have none).
This system is particularly beneficial in very gusty conditions, because the
bar is now "free" to sheet in & out with much less friction, even while
simultaneously steering. It's also free to be held at a more comfortable
height (closer to your shoulders), & can be held more forward or aft if
desired for balance & trim.
Negatives include difficulty passing the bar of an inflatable from one rider
to another (still works okay with an ARC).
As always, please let me know if any of this isn't completely clear.
Mel
Im tired of hearing about the increadeble arc! im glad you like your
kite but thats not what i was asking about:)Someone else who has an
opinion about arc and why its so good except for the prize please
feel free to say something to convins me..For ex try to relaunch an
arc which has been in the water for 30 min:)
In ksurfschool@y..., pedro rodriguez <kiteboardingpr@y...> wrote:
> try a peter lunn arc. just once. you'll never go
> back.
>
> --- nostalgiker@h... wrote:
> > Inflatible light wind kite Information!!!!?....I
> > want to get so much
> > information as possible..And yes i only want to buy
> > an inflatible i
> > dont want to mess whith bridle lines, or handles,
> > water in valves, or
> > sand in valves..And i dont want to lie on a folded
> > kite for hours
> > just to get the air out the valves:)My current kites
> > are cabrihna
> > 9,4 and naish kite 3.5 5... Weight is about 150
> > lb.. board is 161
> > pickelfork and a bic flysurf 6.7 i need a kite whit
> > a good low end
> > but not so much so it becomes a gap to my existing
> > 9,4 say 6-12 whit
> > the pickelfork if its possible?? I was thinking
> > about the naish 21,4
> > or the wipika 16,4 wich has the most low end and how
> > much can i
> > handle..
> > My skill lets say i have been out whit my bic 6.7
> > and the 5 naish (2
> > lines)in 30 knots gusts and pretty big waves lets
> > just say its scary
> > whitout a good edge sometimes:)What aabout does
> > older naish Ar 5 ive
> > heard the have i good low end...And i think i really
> > need a back
> > launch system as wipika airblast.. Is it hard to fix
> > one to a naish
> > kite?..
> >
> >
> > My must have points:)
> > A) kite whith a good low end but i dont want to fly
> > whitout control
> > in the gusts:)
> > B)Easy waterlunch
> > C)fully powerd in 6-12 knots
> > D)Be able to use my pickelfork even if i have to
> > work a little harder
> > in the lulls
> > E)good quality
> >
> > PS: In the kite size and reference guide (arx) it
> > says that a 21.5
> > meter is usable in 1-5 knots? Personly i doubt it
> > can fly in 1-3
> > knots winds???????????????
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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<nostalgiker@...> wrote:
> Inflatible light wind kite Information!!!!?....I want to get so much
> information as possible..
You may want to follow the highlighted instructions on the "range estimator"
sheet of the "kite specs" file in the "Mel's Stuff" folder of the kitesurf
Yahoogroup files.
Mel
<nostalgiker@...> wrote:
> Someone else who has an
> opinion about arc and why its so good except for the prize please
> feel free to say something to convins me..For ex try to relaunch an
> arc which has been in the water for 30 min:)
Since you asked: I've tried & succeeded, after about 20 minutes, but the
only times I can remember* my ARC ever even touching the water accidentally
was during testing of a safety system which was releasing prematurely.
* Except for my first time when I forgot to just push the bar away to
prevent crashing when I fell, & once when the wind died completely.
Mel
--- In ksurfschool@y..., Mel <kitebord@p...> wrote:
> <nostalgiker@h...> wrote:
>
> > Someone else who has an
> > opinion about arc and why its so good except for the prize please
> > feel free to say something to convins me..For ex try to relaunch
an
> > arc which has been in the water for 30 min:)
>
> Since you asked: I've tried & succeeded, after about 20 minutes,
but the
> only times I can remember* my ARC ever even touching the water
accidentally
> was during testing of a safety system which was releasing
prematurely.
>
> * Except for my first time when I forgot to just push the bar away
to
> prevent crashing when I fell, & once when the wind died completely.
>
> Mel
Okej I dont doubt its a good kite and the only bad thing ive heard is
problem whit sand in valves (Wich proberly isn`t peter lynns fault)
and that it has a bad low end..I havent seen any size bigger than
1120 and im looking for a 6-12 knots size kite .............
ANd
--- In ksurfschool@y..., Mel <kitebord@p...> wrote:
> <nostalgiker@h...> wrote:
>
> > Inflatible light wind kite Information!!!!?....I want to get so
much
> > information as possible..
>
> You may want to follow the highlighted instructions on the "range
estimator"
> sheet of the "kite specs" file in the "Mel's Stuff" folder of the
kitesurf
> Yahoogroup files.
>
> Mel
Actually iv`e tried that its hard for me to know exactly wich board
you used and how long is long lines etc etc???? rrd Wich kite is
that???
ANd
Where can i get information abot 1420 or is that stacked kites ????
Or mayby wedged :)
Havent found 1420 in any retailers????
Has any body compared the 21,5 naish whith the 16,4 air blast if so
what is the biggest differnts??????Beside the back relaunch:)
Thanks for any replies..
To Mel: my head is spinning after reading all this differnt
measurement ,sizes ,Flatarea ,projected area, but it really has much
information and is a really good effort ...
Mels stuff could be the caus of my head ake:)
<nostalgiker@...> wrote:
> Where can i get information abot 1420 or is that stacked kites ????
> Or mayby wedged :)
>
> Havent found 1420 in any retailers????
The 1410 is a single kite, and production models are due to arrive in North
America around January or February. Maybe similar in other parts of the
world. Some have reported getting early edition pre-production
"prototypes", & have even stacked them with other ARCs (1120).
> To Mel: my head is spinning after reading all this differnt
> measurement ,sizes ,Flatarea ,projected area, but it really has much
> information and is a really good effort ...
>
> Mels stuff could be the caus of my head ake:)
Sorry for the headache. I got "analysis paralysis" several times while
building the chart, but I think it's pretty close now. Whether or not
you're even considering an ARC, the easiest way of comparing brands is by
actual flat area. Just look at TWO columns: model #, & real flat area (not
mfr. spec).
The reason for arranging the "by size" sheet by FLAT area is because it more
accurately places the ARCs for their relative power. ARCs have more
projected area for their size, but less power per projected meter, so they
end up with about the same power as an inflatable with the same flat area.
Mel
<nostalgiker@...> wrote:
> > You may want to follow the highlighted instructions on the "range
> estimator"
> > sheet of the "kite specs" file in the "Mel's Stuff" folder of the
> kitesurf
> > Yahoogroup files.
> >
> > Mel
> Actually iv`e tried that its hard for me to know exactly wich board
> you used and how long is long lines etc etc???? rrd Wich kite is
> that???
At the top of the sheet I've indicated which kites I've tested in order to
obtain the data. I've added the 1120 to my own copy, but haven't uploaded
the new file yet, since the numbers for it seem pretty accurate so far
(haven't done enough testing to really know yet). After entering your
weight & hitting "Tab", you need to click on the next sheet at the bottom
("chart", or "graph" - my Excel isn't working right now) to see the ranges
for the various kites. I think only one of the inflatables you were
initially considering is there, but you should be able to come fairly close
by comparing to others of similar flat area.
I used the kites on about 30m lines (give or take: no leaders, long leaders,
etc.), on boards including 148 & 169cm LiteWaves, 5'2 RRD, & 6' Fanatic, but
keep in mind I'm well known for "milking" the range at either extreme, so if
you click the box to the left of the "A" on the "estimator" sheet (so all
the "extreme" numbers show) you'll see the numbers that may require
different lines or boards for most riders. In other words, with a typical
board & lines, you'll likely get the ranges shown on colored bar chart. Let
me know if it still isn't clear.
<< I dont doubt its a good kite and the only bad thing ive heard is
problem whit sand in valves (Wich proberly isn`t peter lynns fault)
and that it has a bad low end..I havent seen any size bigger than
1120 and im looking for a 6-12 knots size kite ............. >>
I've never had (or heard of) sand problems with any of the production models
(they have mesh valve covers). The "bad low end" myth is only because the
power is proportional to the FLAT area of an inflatable, not the projected
area (which is relatively high, on an ARC of the same size). In other
words, a 1410 ARC should have about as much low end power as a (fictional)
"13.2" Naish (since Naish flat numbers are about 0.9m small).
Mel
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I think you are looking at kites too big. I would not want to go from a 9.4
Cabrinha to a 21.5 ARX
or 16.4 Air Blast. The 17.5 ARX is very powerful and about as big a gap between
those kites as you
would want. It has more power than the 12.2 Cabrinha which is the next size up
that most people
would buy if they had the 9.4. The difference in light wind power with the
bigger kites is smaller
than you would think. To go much bigger you give up a lot of jumping ability as
the kites get much
slower turning. The newer big ARX kites have smaller bladders and better top
end.
Dwight
> Inflatible light wind kite Information!!!!?....I want to get so much
> information as possible..And yes i only want to buy an inflatible i
> dont want to mess whith bridle lines, or handles, water in valves, or
> sand in valves..And i dont want to lie on a folded kite for hours
> just to get the air out the valves:)My current kites are cabrihna
> 9,4 and naish kite 3.5 5... Weight is about 150 lb.. board is 161
> pickelfork and a bic flysurf 6.7 i need a kite whit a good low end
> but not so much so it becomes a gap to my existing 9,4 say 6-12 whit
> the pickelfork if its possible?? I was thinking about the naish 21,4
> or the wipika 16,4 wich has the most low end and how much can i
> handle..
> My skill lets say i have been out whit my bic 6.7 and the 5 naish (2
> lines)in 30 knots gusts and pretty big waves lets just say its scary
> whitout a good edge sometimes:)What aabout does older naish Ar 5 ive
> heard the have i good low end...And i think i really need a back
> launch system as wipika airblast.. Is it hard to fix one to a naish
> kite?..
>
>
> My must have points:)
> A) kite whith a good low end but i dont want to fly whitout control
> in the gusts:)
> B)Easy waterlunch
> C)fully powerd in 6-12 knots
> D)Be able to use my pickelfork even if i have to work a little harder
> in the lulls
> E)good quality
>
> PS: In the kite size and reference guide (arx) it says that a 21.5
> meter is usable in 1-5 knots? Personly i doubt it can fly in 1-3
> knots winds???????????????
--- In ksurfschool@y..., Mel <kitebord@p...> wrote:
> <nostalgiker@h...> wrote:
>
> > > You may want to follow the highlighted instructions on
the "range
> > estimator"
> > > sheet of the "kite specs" file in the "Mel's Stuff" folder of
the
> > kitesurf
> > > Yahoogroup files.
> > >
> > > Mel
> > Actually iv`e tried that its hard for me to know exactly wich
board
> > you used and how long is long lines etc etc???? rrd Wich kite is
> > that???
>
> At the top of the sheet I've indicated which kites I've tested in
order to
> obtain the data. I've added the 1120 to my own copy, but haven't
uploaded
> the new file yet, since the numbers for it seem pretty accurate so
far
> (haven't done enough testing to really know yet). After entering
your
> weight & hitting "Tab", you need to click on the next sheet at the
bottom
> ("chart", or "graph" - my Excel isn't working right now) to see the
ranges
> for the various kites. I think only one of the inflatables you were
> initially considering is there, but you should be able to come
fairly close
> by comparing to others of similar flat area.
>
> I used the kites on about 30m lines (give or take: no leaders, long
leaders,
> etc.), on boards including 148 & 169cm LiteWaves, 5'2 RRD, & 6'
Fanatic, but
> keep in mind I'm well known for "milking" the range at either
extreme, so if
> you click the box to the left of the "A" on the "estimator" sheet
(so all
> the "extreme" numbers show) you'll see the numbers that may require
> different lines or boards for most riders. In other words, with a
typical
> board & lines, you'll likely get the ranges shown on colored bar
chart. Let
> me know if it still isn't clear.
>
> << I dont doubt its a good kite and the only bad thing ive heard is
> problem whit sand in valves (Wich proberly isn`t peter lynns fault)
> and that it has a bad low end..I havent seen any size bigger than
> 1120 and im looking for a 6-12 knots size kite ............. >>
>
> I've never had (or heard of) sand problems with any of the
production models
> (they have mesh valve covers). The "bad low end" myth is only
because the
> power is proportional to the FLAT area of an inflatable, not the
projected
> area (which is relatively high, on an ARC of the same size). In
other
> words, a 1410 ARC should have about as much low end power as a
(fictional)
> "13.2" Naish (since Naish flat numbers are about 0.9m small).
>
> Mel
Thanks for the informaton i think it`s pretty clear now:)Mayby a few
nots in each end will be in consideration for me..Sins you proberly
are a better rider... :)Thank`s again...
I have actually heard that.. and that you can sine them better so the
differnt is not that big...Mayby thoose bigger kites are better for
really heavy persons...Just a thought.....Thanks for your opinion i
will consider thath in my search for light wind kites :)
ANd
--- In ksurfschool@y..., "Dwight & Jacky" <fishersfort@a...> wrote:
> I think you are looking at kites too big. I would not want to go
from a 9.4 Cabrinha to a 21.5 ARX
> or 16.4 Air Blast. The 17.5 ARX is very powerful and about as big a
gap between those kites as you
> would want. It has more power than the 12.2 Cabrinha which is the
next size up that most people
> would buy if they had the 9.4. The difference in light wind power
with the bigger kites is smaller
> than you would think. To go much bigger you give up a lot of
jumping ability as the kites get much
> slower turning. The newer big ARX kites have smaller bladders and
better top end.
>
> Dwight
>
>
> > Inflatible light wind kite Information!!!!?....I want to get so
much
> > information as possible..And yes i only want to buy an inflatible
i
> > dont want to mess whith bridle lines, or handles, water in
valves, or
> > sand in valves..And i dont want to lie on a folded kite for hours
> > just to get the air out the valves:)My current kites are cabrihna
> > 9,4 and naish kite 3.5 5... Weight is about 150 lb.. board is 161
> > pickelfork and a bic flysurf 6.7 i need a kite whit a good low end
> > but not so much so it becomes a gap to my existing 9,4 say 6-12
whit
> > the pickelfork if its possible?? I was thinking about the naish
21,4
> > or the wipika 16,4 wich has the most low end and how much can i
> > handle..
> > My skill lets say i have been out whit my bic 6.7 and the 5
naish (2
> > lines)in 30 knots gusts and pretty big waves lets just say its
scary
> > whitout a good edge sometimes:)What aabout does older naish Ar 5
ive
> > heard the have i good low end...And i think i really need a back
> > launch system as wipika airblast.. Is it hard to fix one to a
naish
> > kite?..
> >
> >
> > My must have points:)
> > A) kite whith a good low end but i dont want to fly whitout
control
> > in the gusts:)
> > B)Easy waterlunch
> > C)fully powerd in 6-12 knots
> > D)Be able to use my pickelfork even if i have to work a little
harder
> > in the lulls
> > E)good quality
> >
> > PS: In the kite size and reference guide (arx) it says that a 21.5
> > meter is usable in 1-5 knots? Personly i doubt it can fly in 1-3
> > knots winds???????????????
You don't ever want to kite so under powered you must sine the kite. You can't
go upwind when sine
flying the kite. It's OK to sine the kite once in a while.
Dwight
> I have actually heard that.. and that you can sine them better so the
> differnt is not that big...Mayby thoose bigger kites are better for
> really heavy persons...Just a thought.....Thanks for your opinion i
> will consider thath in my search for light wind kites :)
Dwight & Jacky wrote:
> You don't ever want to kite so under powered you must sine the kite. You can't
go upwind when sine
> flying the kite. It's OK to sine the kite once in a while.
As long as you don't have to make very large sines (10 - 80 degrees
vertically), going upwind while sining the kite is possible.
The faster the kite, the larger the sines you can make and still going
upwind.
The larger the board, the larger the sines you can make and still going
upwind.
You can't jump if you have to sine more than 35 - 55 degrees vertically.
Hung.
<nostalgiker@...> wrote:
> Thanks for the informaton i think it`s pretty clear now:)Mayby a few
> nots in each end will be in consideration for me..Sins you proberly
> are a better rider... :)
Maybe, but it shouldn't take much skill to get the range of the colored bars
on the chart. The "real" extremes of the range I get myself can be seen if
you go to the "estimator" sheet & "highlight' the whole sheet by clicking
the grey box to the left of the "A" & above the "1".
Mel
--
- In ksurfschool@y..., Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
> Dwight & Jacky wrote:
> > You don't ever want to kite so under powered you must sine the
kite. You can't go upwind when sine
> > flying the kite. It's OK to sine the kite once in a while.
>
> As long as you don't have to make very large sines (10 - 80 degrees
> vertically), going upwind while sining the kite is possible.
>
> The faster the kite, the larger the sines you can make and still
going
> upwind.
>
> The larger the board, the larger the sines you can make and still
going
> upwind.
>
> You can't jump if you have to sine more than 35 - 55 degrees
vertically.
>
> Hung.
To dwight
Mayby there is no idea to surf if you have to sine a 17,5
constantly...
what i ment was during the lulls to keep the edge..
Thoughts:
I think i read somewhere in Hung kite school that a small kite that
moves fast generates more power by movment than a bigger kite..
Or im I out on thin ice :)
Statement:
Mayby there is no straight answer wich size brand or sine pattern you
can use I just want to be able to surf more....) Mayby im frustrated
because my kite have been in the shop for 3 month an all the aug sep
okt (ok thats 4 month)wind has blowned away.. I dont think i have to
say which brand im using...They proberly have enough problems its a
very good kite and mayby if im nice i will get my bladders in
christmas mornig....I actually saw the 2002 kites in sotavento fuerte
(The German camp) ventura and they looked really nice stronger
material on the leading edge and proberly good material on the
inside :)
Truth:
One thing i know is that in the summer 2002 I will have som kind of
big flying object that will be able to take me out in less wind then
im able now...
--- In ksurfschool@y..., Mel <kitebord@p...> wrote:
> <nostalgiker@h...> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the informaton i think it`s pretty clear now:)Mayby a
few
> > nots in each end will be in consideration for me..Sins you
proberly
> > are a better rider... :)
>
> Maybe, but it shouldn't take much skill to get the range of the
colored bars
> on the chart. The "real" extremes of the range I get myself can be
seen if
> you go to the "estimator" sheet & "highlight' the whole sheet by
clicking
> the grey box to the left of the "A" & above the "1".
>
> Mel
I did that and nothing happend so i pressed = and then ok and then i
got an error message.....:) But i its ok whitout the extreme
range.... Thanks for all the advise
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