macrae98115@... wrote:
> However, I cannot seem to find information about the AERO (or even
> other kites) on the Naish website. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Try http://www.naishkites.com/kites_products.asp?page=aero

Hung.

Hey Greg,

Here's a review from the Yahoo! nwkite group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nwkite/message/2505


--- In ksurfschool@y..., macrae98115@y... wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have enjoyed the discussion in this group. Thanks to those of you
> who answer the questions.
>
> I am writing to find out what anyone knows about the new 2002 Naish
> Aero kites. The reason I am asking is that I am at the beginning of
> my learning (in New Zealand). So far I have been using a buggy and
> small kite on the beach. The next stage is to do a couple of
sessions
> on the water using an Naish R3 or equivalent as part of instruction.
> After that I need to purchase a kite. The group that I am learning
> from are recommending the 2002 Naish Aero. These kites are likely to
> arrive in NZ in a couple of weeks. However, I am reluctant to
> purchase one of these until I have heard good things about their
> performance. Does anyone know anything about them? Apparently some
> have been used for testing in Hawaii.
>
> Apparently the AR5 used to be sold as the general purpose kite to
> people who had received some training but that was discontinued with
> the ARX which is considered to be too much of an advanced kite.
> Apparently the R3 is not a good option since people tend to grow out
> of it too fast. The Aero is meant to fill the gap that the AR5 left.
> However, I cannot seem to find information about the AERO (or even
> other kites) on the Naish website. Any thoughts would be
appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>    Greg

If anyone is interested, I drew up the CAD drawing which should be
more readable than the one before and there's some photos of the
final setup here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kitesurf/files/surfsup/

Just right-click on the link and select "open in new window" so you
can continue to surf this thread.

Thanks to Mel and all who helped steer me in the right direction!
Much appreciated!!!

V

I'm confused as to at what point in my learning process I should
transition from foot straps to bindings.

I learning on a biderectional board with foot straps, and every time
I wipe out, I have to go through the hassle of getting my feet into
the foot straps again.  Seems to me, that if I was in bindings, my
feet would come out much less.

Is there any real reason why I should not go with bindings from the
get go?

TIA.

Jim

I am taking the trip of my lifetime to Baja, Mexico in a few weeks.
I am a beginner with an old RRD 5.8 kiteboard and 2 kites (the old
Wipikas 3.5 and 5.5).

How do I check in my kiteboard with the airlines?  Someone suggested
that I bubble wrap my board and then tape cardboard all around it.
Will that work?  Or should I buy one of these types bags?

http://www.wavejammer.com/surf/brdbags/brdbags37.htm
http://www.kcoast.com/ocearheavbag.html

I have no idea what to expect on this trip 'cept that I will be
kiteboarding for 2 whole weeks :)  I would appreciate any advice/info
you can give me on travelling with my toys and kiting in Baja (La
Ventana).  Thanks!!

Stephanie

gapagod@... wrote:
> I'm confused as to at what point in my learning process I should
> transition from foot straps to bindings.

You can start with strap & heel bungee or sandal.

Actually I don't a reason why a bidirectional rider should start with
strap alone.

> I learning on a biderectional board with foot straps, and every time
> I wipe out, I have to go through the hassle of getting my feet into
> the foot straps again.  Seems to me, that if I was in bindings, my
> feet would come out much less.

Feet coming out of binding or straps is more a function of how badly you
crash compare to the support you get from the binding or the strap.

> Is there any real reason why I should not go with bindings from the
> get go?

Binding can give you a hard time (even with strap and bungee) if you
crash badly enough.

Most of the time, you need to get out of your binding to relaunch a high
AR inflatable (another reason why most wakeboarders use low AR
inflatable - or foil - which can be relaunched in binding). Getting in a
high wrap binding all by yourself with the kite overhead is not fun.

High wrap binding is extremly kiter non-friendly.  There are some
supposed-to-be kiter friendly high wrap binding on the market but I
haven't yet tried them.

Hung.

My boards were shipped to me with bubble and cardboard around them.

That's said, a board bag is useful as you can put all your kitesurfing
equipment in it (board, kites, bar, lines, etc.) - I would still bubble
wrap the board even with the bag.

P.S., Good luck with your trip and tell us about it when you come back.

Hung.

notalreadyinusebysomeoneelse@... wrote:
>
> I am taking the trip of my lifetime to Baja, Mexico in a few weeks.
> I am a beginner with an old RRD 5.8 kiteboard and 2 kites (the old
> Wipikas 3.5 and 5.5).
>
> How do I check in my kiteboard with the airlines?  Someone suggested
> that I bubble wrap my board and then tape cardboard all around it.
> Will that work?  Or should I buy one of these types bags?
>
> http://www.wavejammer.com/surf/brdbags/brdbags37.htm
> http://www.kcoast.com/ocearheavbag.html
>
> I have no idea what to expect on this trip 'cept that I will be
> kiteboarding for 2 whole weeks :)  I would appreciate any advice/info
> you can give me on travelling with my toys and kiting in Baja (La
> Ventana).  Thanks!!
>
> Stephanie
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Get a grip.  Buy bindings and don't look back.  I got
2 people to get into bindings yesterday and they loved
them.  If you can get bindings with the slippery foam
you will be styling.  This month most of the companies
will be coming out with good kite specific bindings.
go for all laces in the front.  No straps or extra
stupid donkey hardwear.  oh yeah...  ditch the high
aspect kites and go with the r3 or free airs converted
to 4 line.  don't tech out...... get out there and get
litt. -- - matt
--- gapagod@... wrote:
> I'm confused as to at what point in my learning
> process I should
> transition from foot straps to bindings.
>
> I learning on a biderectional board with foot
> straps, and every time
> I wipe out, I have to go through the hassle of
> getting my feet into
> the foot straps again.  Seems to me, that if I was
> in bindings, my
> feet would come out much less.
>
> Is there any real reason why I should not go with
> bindings from the
> get go?
>
> TIA.
>
> Jim
>
>


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stop teching out.  go out and buy a free air or r3 and
convert it to 4 line.  you can get those things super
chaep right now and they kill it.
--- Hung Vu <hungvu@...> wrote:
> macrae98115@... wrote:
> > However, I cannot seem to find information about
> the AERO (or even
> > other kites) on the Naish website. Any thoughts
> would be appreciated.
>
> Try
>
http://www.naishkites.com/kites_products.asp?page=aero
>
> Hung.
>


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Take a shot.  Captain Morgan or Jose Quervo will work
well to cure your technical problems.  The r3
converted to 4 line is a kick ass kite.  you will not
outgrow it.  i teach people on free air from wipika
and i ride free airs from wipika.  i compete at pro
level events, and i rank with all of the kooks with
the shackel and the high aspect kites that don't
relaunch.  the biggest air i have ever seen was felix
pevic on a 2 year old wipika free air at the waddel
creek challange.  get the gear you can get and hit the
water. -- matt
--- macrae98115@... wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have enjoyed the discussion in this group. Thanks
> to those of you
> who answer the questions.
>
> I am writing to find out what anyone knows about the
> new 2002 Naish
> Aero kites. The reason I am asking is that I am at
> the beginning of
> my learning (in New Zealand). So far I have been
> using a buggy and
> small kite on the beach. The next stage is to do a
> couple of sessions
> on the water using an Naish R3 or equivalent as part
> of instruction.
> After that I need to purchase a kite. The group that
> I am learning
> from are recommending the 2002 Naish Aero. These
> kites are likely to
> arrive in NZ in a couple of weeks. However, I am
> reluctant to
> purchase one of these until I have heard good things
> about their
> performance. Does anyone know anything about them?
> Apparently some
> have been used for testing in Hawaii.
>
> Apparently the AR5 used to be sold as the general
> purpose kite to
> people who had received some training but that was
> discontinued with
> the ARX which is considered to be too much of an
> advanced kite.
> Apparently the R3 is not a good option since people
> tend to grow out
> of it too fast. The Aero is meant to fill the gap
> that the AR5 left.
> However, I cannot seem to find information about the
> AERO (or even
> other kites) on the Naish website. Any thoughts
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>    Greg
>
>


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are you kidding me?  does the wieght of a kite really
matter?
--- Mel <kitebord@...> wrote:
> Dwight & Jacky wrote:
>
> > Weigh your old Naish. The RRD is a boat anchor.
> That's not really a fair
> test.
>
> I already sold my old Naish or I would have weighed
> it.  I would also have
> weighed an ARX (that would be a more fair test than
> an AR5), but I didn't
> have one of comparable size handy.  In any case,
> even if an RRD is TWENTY
> FIVE percent heavier than an ARX or AR5 (or other
> inflatables), an ARC would
> still be lighter than all of them.
>
> AND Hung Vu <hungvu@...> wrote:
>
> > Mel,
> >
> > You may want to post the approx. weight of the
> kites you measured.  The
> > info could be useful to the others.
>
> 840 ARC: 5.25 pounds (2.39kg)
> 8.9 RRD: 7.25 pounds (3.30kg)
>
> Both weighed in their bags, with pigtails, but no
> other parts (no lines, no
> patch kit, no pump, no bar, no leaders, no harness
> lines).  There are two
> other things I feel need mentioning.  Not only does
> the ARC not require a
> lot of those parts at all (harness lines, pump,
> patch kit), but the others
> it DOES require are lighter (lines, leaders & bar).
> ALSO: This comparison
> is really only relevant just for carrying the kites
> around, since (as I
> recently posted) while actually riding I feel
> there's little difference in
> performance (it's the other characteristics that are
> different).
>
> Mel
>
>


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Hi ,
I'm planning to buy a 16.4 airblast and as I have a 15.5 ar5 naish I wonder if
the wind range of the airblast is covering the one of the Naish .
Do you think it's worth  keeping  the 15.5 Naish ?
Many thanks !

Hello Fredrick,

I have the AB 16.4 and AB 11.8 m, the later is very close to the size of the
AR5 15.5 m kite.   I use both the 11.8 m and 16.4 m regularly. Although there
is an overlap between the two, I would not like to go from say the AB 8.4 m
all the way up to the 16.4 m.  You could do it in theory but would be pretty
underpowered at some point with the 8.4 m or whatever smaller kite you have
or may be contemplating getting and overpowered with the 16.4 m. I max out
the 16.4 in around 18 to 20 mph and the 11.8 m with around 25 mph+.  Those
represent gust velocities, actual viable sustained velocities would be lower.
I would hang on to your AR5 15.5 m.

Good winds,
Rick


Hi ,
I'm planning to buy a 16.4 airblast and as I have a 15.5 ar5 naish I wonder if
the wind range of the airblast is covering the one of the Naish .
Do you think it's worth  keeping  the 15.5 Naish ?
Many thanks !

matt nuzzo wrote:
>
> are you kidding me?  does the wieght of a kite really
> matter?

Matt,

Kite weight makes a lot of differences in light wind or in kite skiing
(high speed stuff...).

In light wind or high speed you need to juice as much lift from the kite
as you can instead of wasting it to support the extra kite weight.

Hung.

Rick,

What is your low end with the 16.4 and what is your weight again (I
remember around 200 lb)?

Thanks,

Hung.

kitesrfer@... wrote:
>
> Hello Fredrick,
>
> I have the AB 16.4 and AB 11.8 m, the later is very close to the size of the
> AR5 15.5 m kite.   I use both the 11.8 m and 16.4 m regularly. Although there
> is an overlap between the two, I would not like to go from say the AB 8.4 m
> all the way up to the 16.4 m.  You could do it in theory but would be pretty
> underpowered at some point with the 8.4 m or whatever smaller kite you have
> or may be contemplating getting and overpowered with the 16.4 m. I max out
> the 16.4 in around 18 to 20 mph and the 11.8 m with around 25 mph+.  Those
> represent gust velocities, actual viable sustained velocities would be lower.
> I would hang on to your AR5 15.5 m.
>
> Good winds,
> Rick
>
> Hi ,
> I'm planning to buy a 16.4 airblast and as I have a 15.5 ar5 naish I wonder if
> the wind range of the airblast is covering the one of the Naish .
> Do you think it's worth  keeping  the 15.5 Naish ?
> Many thanks !
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

REALkiteboarding.com has 16.4 air blasts for $999
complete.  I have one and i can ride a wake in 8.  you
can go up wind at around 10 or 11.  that thing is
huge.
--- Hung Vu <hungvu@...> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> What is your low end with the 16.4 and what is your
> weight again (I
> remember around 200 lb)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hung.
>
> kitesrfer@... wrote:
> >
> > Hello Fredrick,
> >
> > I have the AB 16.4 and AB 11.8 m, the later is
> very close to the size of the
> > AR5 15.5 m kite.   I use both the 11.8 m and 16.4
> m regularly. Although there
> > is an overlap between the two, I would not like to
> go from say the AB 8.4 m
> > all the way up to the 16.4 m.  You could do it in
> theory but would be pretty
> > underpowered at some point with the 8.4 m or
> whatever smaller kite you have
> > or may be contemplating getting and overpowered
> with the 16.4 m. I max out
> > the 16.4 in around 18 to 20 mph and the 11.8 m
> with around 25 mph+.  Those
> > represent gust velocities, actual viable sustained
> velocities would be lower.
> > I would hang on to your AR5 15.5 m.
> >
> > Good winds,
> > Rick
> >
> > Hi ,
> > I'm planning to buy a 16.4 airblast and as I have
> a 15.5 ar5 naish I wonder if
> > the wind range of the airblast is covering the one
> of the Naish .
> > Do you think it's worth  keeping  the 15.5 Naish ?
> > Many thanks !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Fredrick  -- go for the 16.4 because you can kite when
a blade of grass moves.  it is so much fun to be able
to ride a wake in no breeze.  there will be no white
caps and you will be out there killing it.  keep the
15.5 because you will ride that into higher winds as
you get better.  the 15.5 will jump a lot higher than
the 16.4 too. realkiteboarding.com has killer deals on
the 16.4 complete.  check it out.  hang loose -- matt
--- frederic dujardin <fdujardin@...> wrote:
> Hi ,
> I'm planning to buy a 16.4 airblast and as I have a
> 15.5 ar5 naish I wonder if
> the wind range of the airblast is covering the one
> of the Naish .
> Do you think it's worth  keeping  the 15.5 Naish ?
> Many thanks !
>
>


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Hung Vu <hungvu@...> wrote:

> In light wind or high speed you need to juice as much lift from the kite
> as you can instead of wasting it to support the extra kite weight.

This subject was originated by my claim of ARCs being easier to carry
around.  I had the opportunity to weigh some kites as you'd carry them from
your car to the setup area (with bag, pump, bar, lines, leaders, harness
line, etc):
9.5ARX 8.5 pounds
1120ARC 7.88 pounds
17.5ARX 13.81 pounds
18.9RRD 15.88 pounds

Mel

Those bags are fine if you don't mind paying $50+ each way for having
a surfboard.  I made that mistake with my directional to and from
Hawaii until I bought a larger snowboard bag.  Since then, the
airlines haven't charged me a dime, even though I am now stuffing 3
boards (a 5'6" + 2 wakeboards) in 1 bag and clearly over the size
limit.  Of course, if the airlines you are traveling have no
such 'surfboard' policy, you should be fine.


Or should I buy one of these types bags?

Many thanks for your advices !
Newsgroups are a very usefull idea !
Good Winds !
--
frederic dujardin <fdujardin@...>

Fredrick,

Hang on to the 15.5, if you don't want to spend the money on trading
up for a better kite.  The AR5 15.5 is a slow turning kite.  The new
15.5 ARX or 11.8 AB are both more responsive kites.  The new 12.2
Cabrinha Black tip also looks like a good possibility.  This is
especially important for jumping, the 15.5 AR5 is so slow that
jumping is not nearly as much fun as the faster turning kites.

You can jump very high on the 16.4 once you get the timing right.  I
have gone over 35 feet high with a 16.4.  You can also jump much
further horizontally.  Jump lengths over 100 feet are common and over
200 feet is possible on a 25 foot plus high jump.  Believe it or not,
the 16.4 is my favorite kite for jumping.

Kenny


--- In ksurfschool@y..., matt nuzzo <realkiteobx@y...> wrote:
> Fredrick  -- go for the 16.4 because you can kite when
> a blade of grass moves.  it is so much fun to be able
> to ride a wake in no breeze.  there will be no white
> caps and you will be out there killing it.  keep the
> 15.5 because you will ride that into higher winds as
> you get better.  the 15.5 will jump a lot higher than
> the 16.4 too. realkiteboarding.com has killer deals on
> the 16.4 complete.  check it out.  hang loose -- matt
> --- frederic dujardin <fdujardin@f...> wrote:
> > Hi ,
> > I'm planning to buy a 16.4 airblast and as I have a
> > 15.5 ar5 naish I wonder if
> > the wind range of the airblast is covering the one
> > of the Naish .
> > Do you think it's worth  keeping  the 15.5 Naish ?
> > Many thanks !
> >
> >
>
>
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Hung is correct.  Kite weight really makes a difference.  Wait until
you heft a 16.4.  It is an enormous kite, nearly 50 feet in length,
but it won't fly in less than 7 mph winds.  It just weighs too much.
A big foil would make good sense in light winds.  However, I haven't
yet found one that has as much power control as the 16.4.  Maybe the
new Mastair 16 will do the trick.

Mel, do you know anything about the Mastair kites?  How do you like
the 18.9 RRD?  I have the 14.9 RRD, it is a well-built kite, but is
less responsive than my 11.8 AB.  Mel, I am coming to S. CA after
Thanksgiving.  How is the wind in late November?  Hit or Miss or
blowing most days?  I am wondering if I should bring my kite gear or
just go surfing.

Kenny

--- In ksurfschool@y..., Hung Vu <hungvu@n...> wrote:
> matt nuzzo wrote:
> >
> > are you kidding me?  does the wieght of a kite really
> > matter?
>
> Matt,
>
> Kite weight makes a lot of differences in light wind or in kite
skiing
> (high speed stuff...).
>
> In light wind or high speed you need to juice as much lift from the
kite
> as you can instead of wasting it to support the extra kite weight.
>
> Hung.

Check out the Hatteras Halloween Story.  There is a picture of
Dimitri doing a huge Hart Attack over the judging tower.
Go to this link:

http://www.realkiteboarding.com/index.ihtml?page=newsitem&id=103

Day 244 11/7/1 1.5hrs.

First day on 1120, unwedged.  I had to adjust the center leader about 6” shorter than for the non-factory wedged 840, for comfortable riding.  Even though peak wind was 10 - 16, avg. 12mph, & low was only 4 – 14, avg. 10, it preinflated fine, I was nicely powered up for cruising*, & it was surprisingly maneuverable, on the same 30” “free” bar I use with the 840.  It flies really nice, and seems even smoother & more stable than the 840 (likely just the general characteristic of a larger kite).  Depowering range seems fine too, & I did plan to use it for a while before wedging (so I could report on the differences) but John came by to pick up a sail for repair, so I gave it to him.

<fernmanus@...> wrote:

> Mel, do you know anything about the Mastair kites?

No.

>  How do you like
> the 18.9 RRD?

I haven't flown any RRDs except the 8.9

> Mel, I am coming to S. CA after
> Thanksgiving.  How is the wind in late November?  Hit or Miss or
> blowing most days?

Neither.  It's usually Miss or Miss (practically nothing, most of the time)

> I am wondering if I should bring my kite gear or
> just go surfing.

The surfers say it's better in the winter.

Mel

I went to a used ski store today and bought a used pair of 200 cm
down-hill skis completed with binding for $50 US (ironically, you can't
buy this type of high-speed skis at a new ski equipment store).

The skis are very stiff, wide and have almost no side cut.

I am ready for the winter storms and looking forward to reach 100 km/h
or more...

Hung.

Paul Coutinho <paul_coutinho@...> wrote

> Hi Mel,
>
> When you say you ajusted the lines +6´´  shorter than when non wedged, do
> you mean aprox. 14´´ shorter than the backlines?
> I am just wondering because I´ve just wedged my ARC and I haven´t tried it
> yet.

Sorry for the confusion.  I adjusted the front lines 6" shorter than the
non-FACTORY wedged EIGHT FORTY.  In other words, I had the lines set
perfectly for my original 840, which was WEDGED AFTER PRODUCTION, & I had to
adjust them for the UNWEDGED 1120 (which is now in the shop getting wedged).
I can not yet give a comparison between a wedged & unwedged 1120, since I
have only flown my boss' wedged 1120 once on the beach.  I can't give a
comparison between a wedged & unwedged 840, because I've NEVER flown an
unwedged 840.

Did that make sense?

Hmm... I didn't know that there's no charge for checking in a
snowboard.  I wonder if my fat RRD directional board can squeeze into
a snowboard bag.

I am flying American Airlines and AeroCalifornia, I'll have to find
out what their policies are.

Thanks!

Stephanie


--- In ksurfschool@y..., "Ethan Janson" <ejanson@s...> wrote:
> Those bags are fine if you don't mind paying $50+ each way for
having
> a surfboard.  I made that mistake with my directional to and from
> Hawaii until I bought a larger snowboard bag.  Since then, the
> airlines haven't charged me a dime, even though I am now stuffing 3
> boards (a 5'6" + 2 wakeboards) in 1 bag and clearly over the size
> limit.  Of course, if the airlines you are traveling have no
> such 'surfboard' policy, you should be fine.
>
>
> Or should I buy one of these types bags?

<notalreadyinusebysomeoneelse@...> wrote:

> Hmm... I didn't know that there's no charge for checking in a
> snowboard.

I haven't been following this thread, but just yesterday somebody told me if
you pack it small enough, & call it "golf clubs", it's free.  A pilot friend
of mine said "wakeboards" fly free too, on some airlines.  You could make a
list of all the options, & just call & ask what the charges would be for
bringing your "golf clubs", or your "snowboards", or your "wakeboards", or
whatever, & then you'll know what to say when checking in.

Mel