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Newbie needs help; when the wind has let up, I find the only way to get
the Naish (AR 3.5) to water launch is to pump it off the water. But
then it is so low to the water and so far to the edge of the power
window (and lacking in lift), That when I try to turn it tenderly to
rise, it drifts back and down, touching the water and killing it. How
do I finesse this so I can get back to land. I'm still sailing in two
line mode. Is that part of it, and when should I switch to 4 line.
Thanks, Rigbig
Tom,
I am also new to the sport, but I have had plenty of experience relaunching
Naish Kites. One point that I wish to emphasize is to make sure that the
leading edge is fully inflated. If you see it fold in half on the water, it
is not inflated properly and will be difficult to relaunch. When the kite
doesn't want to launch and keeps falling back to the water, the wind has
most likely died to the point that you can't relaunch. The best way to get
back to land is to wind up your lines onto your control bar and hold onto
each tip of the kite (forming a C) and point the leading edge towards shore.
If there is enough wind, you will be gradually blown towards the shore. If
the wind completely dies, deflate the leading edge, roll up the kite placing
it on top of your board and start kicking towards the shore.
A 4 line kite is actually more difficult to relaunch. A 4 line kite gives
you more control over the power of the kite allowing you to continue flying
in a wider range of wind speeds.
Kenny
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Rolf [mailto:rigbig@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:24 PM
To: kschool
Subject: [ksurfschool] Lite Air
Newbie needs help; when the wind has let up, I find the only way to get
the Naish (AR 3.5) to water launch is to pump it off the water. But
then it is so low to the water and so far to the edge of the power
window (and lacking in lift), That when I try to turn it tenderly to
rise, it drifts back and down, touching the water and killing it. How
do I finesse this so I can get back to land. I'm still sailing in two
line mode. Is that part of it, and when should I switch to 4 line.
Thanks, Rigbig
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Hi Rigbig,
it seems to be a size-problem. If you had to pump your kite to launch, the
kite is to small for the actual windforce. You have to take a bigger kite.
regards
Matthias
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Subject: [ksurfschool] Lite Air (6-JUN-2000 22:01)
From: rigbig@...
To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
> Newbie needs help; when the wind has let up, I find the only way to get
> the Naish (AR 3.5) to water launch is to pump it off the water. But
> then it is so low to the water and so far to the edge of the power
> window (and lacking in lift), That when I try to turn it tenderly to
> rise, it drifts back and down, touching the water and killing it. How
> do I finesse this so I can get back to land. I'm still sailing in two
> line mode. Is that part of it, and when should I switch to 4 line.
> Thanks, Rigbig
>
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first thing i have found with these kites is when the wind gets lite and the
kite is floating in the water,i turn the bar hard in one direction and then
the other way to see which side of the window has better pull.when i find
this out, i bring the kite to that side[some times in lite winds i put a
twist in the line,spin the bar] and just before i get to where the pull
starts i swim towards the kite so it will fall backwards a bit,as the kite
now starts to roll to launch,pull on the top line to get it up in the air
AND TRY TO DRIVE IT UP ON AN ANGLE TO THE OTHER SIDE,your angle is important
in lite winds,to much it stalls,just enough and the angle helps build some
speed to get it up high. when you launch it too far to the edge of the
window in lite air,it just runs out of power at the edge and dies.
hope that helps paul
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Newbie needs help; when the wind has let up, I find the only way to get
the Naish (AR 3.5) to water launch is to pump it off the water. But
then it is so low to the water and so far to the edge of the power
window (and lacking in lift), That when I try to turn it tenderly to
rise, it drifts back and down, touching the water and killing it. How
do I finesse this so I can get back to land. I'm still sailing in two
line mode. Is that part of it, and when should I switch to 4 line.
Thanks, Rigbig
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on 6/8/00 7:32 AM, matthias.unger@... at
matthias.unger@... wrote:
> Hi,
> is there anyone who ever use a peter lynn c-quad for kitesurfing? whats about
> water-launching?
> regards
> Matthias
I'm using only C Quads for kitesurfing. C Quads water launch in some
circumsatnces, but very rarely in kitesurfing circumsatnces. They were
originally developed for kitesailing with a boat. Definately never plan to
relaunch from the water. Plan to pack up the kite & walk or swim back to
shore. Sometimes they can be launched from the water if there is lots of
wind and you can stand on the bottom and walk backwadrs.
They're good for kitesurfing other than that. They're cheap, powerful &
efficient, handle well, and they do fly well wet. They're just impossible to
relaunch when you're out over your head. Also, they take a bit longer than
some kites to learn all the tricks (power regualtion, handling, etc) but
it's worth it!
Mark Frasier
Thanks to all. ... Paul., why do you twist the line, spin the
bar, sometimes in light air?. .... When you swim towards the kite to
get it to fall backwards a bit. Do you keep the bar pointed at the
kite? Until it rolls to launch. .... When the winds light and i'm
antsy to go kiting, I'll play with this, and see what happens. Thanks
-rigbig-
Does anyone know of the absolute best place to kite surf in Southern
California? I just got back from Maui, and I need to find a place on the
mainland that is comparable! Thanks, Jacqueline
Jacqueline,
Hey, I didn't know we had any surfing Betties on our e-group mail list.
Welcome to our group, we could use some feminine input. I am not sure of
the best place to go in CA, but I have heard that San Diego doesn't have
good reliable winds.
Kenny
-----Original Message-----
From: jcqlnf@... [mailto:jcqlnf@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:19 AM
To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Southern California
Does anyone know of the absolute best place to kite surf in Southern
California? I just got back from Maui, and I need to find a place on the
mainland that is comparable! Thanks, Jacqueline
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They are not water relaunchable most of the time. I would avoid the c-quad
until you can kite surf without crashing the kite. I suggest a Naish or
Wipika 2 line kite for learning. They are easily relaunchable and reliable.
Kenny
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From: matthias.unger@...
[mailto:matthias.unger@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:33 AM
To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
Subject: [ksurfschool] Using C-Quad
Hi,
is there anyone who ever use a peter lynn c-quad for kitesurfing? whats
about
water-launching?
regards
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Tom,
If you don't have the video "Kiteboarding: How to Rip", I suggest buying it.
The video describes how to relaunch a Naish kite in some detail. It also
covers safety issues, how to ride up wind, etc.
Paul, gave you some good advice on how to relaunch the Naish kite. It takes
some practice to learn how to relaunch the kite every time, especially in
light winds. The first time I went kite surfing, I spent over two hours
trying to relaunch my kite.
I can answer one of your questions. When you swim (or walk) towards the
kite when the leading edge is on the water, the lines are detensioned and
the kite will flip over and you will be able to move it up to the edge of
the window by pulling your bar hard to one side. Another way to do the same
thing is to pull the bar over your head then quickly put in down on the
water. I usually hold the bar even when I am detensioning the lines.
One other thing to remember when relaunching the kite in light winds is to
make sure that your hands are in the proper position and that the lines are
no longer crossed when the kite is about to launch. Sometimes you will
cross hands as you are monkeying around trying to get the kite off the
water. If your hands are reversed or if the lines are crossed, you will
have a difficult time controlling the kite once it lifts off the water.
Kenny
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Rolf [mailto:rigbig@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:27 AM
To: kschool
Subject: [ksurfschool] re:Lite Air
Thanks to all. ... Paul., why do you twist the line, spin the
bar, sometimes in light air?. .... When you swim towards the kite to
get it to fall backwards a bit. Do you keep the bar pointed at the
kite? Until it rolls to launch. .... When the winds light and i'm
antsy to go kiting, I'll play with this, and see what happens. Thanks
-rigbig-
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on 6/8/00 10:28 AM, Farnsworth, Kenny at kenny@... wrote:
> They are not water relaunchable most of the time. I would avoid the c-quad
> until you can kite surf without crashing the kite. I suggest a Naish or
> Wipika 2 line kite for learning. They are easily relaunchable and reliable.
>
> Kenny
I would agree with that, except that if you live in a lighter-wind (10-15
mph) area and can't possibly afford a naish or wipika of the right size, the
C Quad and a used surfboard will get you started,as long as you don't
venture out too far.
For sure the Wipika or Naish would be a much, much better option if you are
new to kiteflying.
The price difference between a CQ 6.3 and a Naish 9 (about the same power)
is considerable - a CQ costs $365 from Gone with the Wind, a Naish costs
1,025 from Naish
Mark Frasier
I am starting in the sport. I have a F-One 7 mts and I use it in 6 to 12 knots. Although I can handle it quite good in the beach, I can´t get enough power to start planning with the board , even when I got waterstart, I fall on my back after a few meters.
Just an addendum about crossed lines....
I used to freak out if my lines were crossed, but now I know that you can
still fly the kite if the lines are crossed. It flies exactly the same, only
it will respond a little slower. When you get yourself stabilized, just
twirl your body around to uncross the lines.
Thanks for the warm welcome Kenny! If I'm a surfing Betty, what does that
make you??
OK ... you have two options. Once you stand up, after an aggressive power
stroke, you have to keep flying the kite at 2 O'clock! That is where the
power is. Just say to yourself 2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2! (If you don't know what I
mean by 2 O'clock, let me know) Now, sometimes you might have to do another
power stroke right after your initial power stroke to really get going, just
be careful not to do a power stroke in the opposite direction in the process.
This happened to me and I did get up for about 5 seconds. The problem was
that by board was facing the wrong direction!
Sometimes you may feel like your kite is too small for the wind conditions,
but doing a very fast power stroke should get you up.
You might want to body drag without the board a few times and practice
holding the kite at 2 O'clock while moving your legs in front of you just to
get the feel of it! Good Luck! Jacqueline
Thank you, Jacqueline for your fast answer . I have only a question : when you say put the kite at 2 o´clock ( I understand I am moving toward the right) while planning, is it suppose I am stand in the centre of the clock ?
In others words, after I stand up, should I keep the kite about 45 or 50 degrees high and AT MY RIGHT or should i put it at that high but IN FRONT OF ME?
Thank you, Jacqueline for your fast answer . I have only a question : when
you say put the kite at 2 o´clock ( I understand I am moving toward the
right) while planning, is it suppose I am stand in the centre of the clock ?
In others words, after I stand up, should I keep the kite about 45 or 50
degrees high and AT MY RIGHT or should i put it at that high but IN FRONT OF
ME?
OK - 12 O'clock is straight above you. 3 O'clock is on the water to your
right. 9 O'clock is on the water to your left. I asked my teacher in Maui
the same question about the kite being in front of me or to my right, he said
you really don't have controll over that angle, because the wind will be
pulling the kite down wind. All you can do is pull the right side of the bar
closer to your body while you try to keep the bar parallel with the horizon.
I just try to visualise the kite to my right, and go from there. 2 O'clock
is more important here that in front or not. Make sense?? By the way, in
case you are new to the "clock method", a power stroke is when you put the
kite from 11 O'clock to 2 O'clock in one rapid movement. This is what will
pull you out of the water. Good Luck!! Jacqueline
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SAFETY SYSTEM, (aka Kite-Sailing, Kite-boarding) The</A> I thought you might
enjoy checking out this link. I think there is a kitesurfing manual
available here that explains the whole "clock" thing.
a poser.
-----Original Message-----
From: jcqlnf@... [mailto:jcqlnf@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:23 AM
To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] re: crossed lines
Just an addendum about crossed lines....
I used to freak out if my lines were crossed, but now I know that you can
still fly the kite if the lines are crossed. It flies exactly the same,
only
it will respond a little slower. When you get yourself stabilized, just
twirl your body around to uncross the lines.
Thanks for the warm welcome Kenny! If I'm a surfing Betty, what does that
make you??
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It sounds like you are underpower. Try again in slightly more wind
(let's say 8+ knots) it would be easier to learn.
I weight around 125 lb. (or 58 kg) and a 7 meters foil would only get me
going starting from 7 or 8 knots (I would need my XXXL, 9.66 m2 foil, in
6 knots wind).
Hung.
> arielmas wrote:
>
> Hi to all
> I am starting in the sport. I have a F-One 7 mts and I use it in 6
> to 12 knots. Although I can handle it quite good in the beach, I
> can´t get enough power to start planning with the board , even when I
> got waterstart, I fall on my back after a few meters.
> Any advice is welcome. Thank you
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is a common problem. One problem is not flying the kite correctly, Jacqueline addressed that issue. The other is how your board is pointed. You need to make sure that your board is pointed somewhat downwind and your front foot needs to be pointed in that direction. It is natural to try to edge your board upwind on the launch. You need to get the board up and planing before you start edging upwind. Good luck and keep practicing.
Kenny
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Hi to all
I am starting in the sport. I have a F-One 7 mts and I use it in 6 to 12 knots. Although I can handle it quite good in the beach, I can´t get enough power to start planning with the board , even when I got waterstart, I fall on my back after a few meters.
A Naish or Wipika is going to cost more, but it is worthwhile. There is
nothing worse than swimming to the beach to relaunch a kite.
The problem with kite surfing is that the equipment is not very refined yet
and the cost of equipment is still high. As the sport becomes more popular,
prices will drop and the quality of equipment will vastly improve.
Kenny
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Frasier [mailto:brockus@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:08 AM
To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Using C-Quad
on 6/8/00 10:28 AM, Farnsworth, Kenny at kenny@... wrote:
> They are not water relaunchable most of the time. I would avoid the
c-quad
> until you can kite surf without crashing the kite. I suggest a Naish or
> Wipika 2 line kite for learning. They are easily relaunchable and
reliable.
>
> Kenny
I would agree with that, except that if you live in a lighter-wind (10-15
mph) area and can't possibly afford a naish or wipika of the right size, the
C Quad and a used surfboard will get you started,as long as you don't
venture out too far.
For sure the Wipika or Naish would be a much, much better option if you are
new to kiteflying.
The price difference between a CQ 6.3 and a Naish 9 (about the same power)
is considerable - a CQ costs $365 from Gone with the Wind, a Naish costs
1,025 from Naish
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on 6/8/00 1:21 PM, Farnsworth, Kenny at kenny@... wrote:
> A Naish or Wipika is going to cost more, but it is worthwhile. There is
> nothing worse than swimming to the beach to relaunch a kite.
>
> The problem with kite surfing is that the equipment is not very refined yet
> and the cost of equipment is still high. As the sport becomes more popular,
> prices will drop and the quality of equipment will vastly improve.
>
> Kenny
Until that happens, there's always the C Quad option ;) There is one thing
worse than swimming a few hundred yards to shore: Not kitesurfing at all
because you can't afford a kite. There are planty of folks out there who
couldn't possibly buy a Wipika/Naish because they simply don't have that
much cash or credit. On the other hand, if you go out too far it can be
dangerous.
I totally agree that for someone who can't fly a kite or hasn't got a
shallow area to kitesurf a Wipika would be much, much better. But the C Quad
is a much better, faster, more efficient, more power-controlable, better
handling, easier to keep aloft kite that is also 1/3rd the price. If
circumstances allow, and you're a good flier, you'd be crazy to get a single
Wipika instead of an entire quiver of C Quads.
Mark Frasier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Frasier [mailto:brockus@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:08 AM
> To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Using C-Quad
>
>
> on 6/8/00 10:28 AM, Farnsworth, Kenny at kenny@... wrote:
>
>> They are not water relaunchable most of the time. I would avoid the
> c-quad
>> until you can kite surf without crashing the kite. I suggest a Naish or
>> Wipika 2 line kite for learning. They are easily relaunchable and
> reliable.
>>
>> Kenny
>
> I would agree with that, except that if you live in a lighter-wind (10-15
> mph) area and can't possibly afford a naish or wipika of the right size, the
> C Quad and a used surfboard will get you started,as long as you don't
> venture out too far.
>
> For sure the Wipika or Naish would be a much, much better option if you are
> new to kiteflying.
>
> The price difference between a CQ 6.3 and a Naish 9 (about the same power)
> is considerable - a CQ costs $365 from Gone with the Wind, a Naish costs
> 1,025 from Naish
>
> Mark Frasier
>
>
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Mark,
I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with you. I would suggest buying
a 7.0 Naish 2 line kite. After learning how to fly and ride on the board, I
would convert the Naish to a 4 line kite for more wind range.
The C Quad option is okay only if you are willing to spend many hours
learning how to fly the kite before even bothering to try and kite surf. I
don't disagree with you that the C-Quad is a great kite. I just think it
will frustrate a BEGINNING kite surfer. Beginners crash the kite a lot. If
you buy a C-Quad, be prepared to swim.
A non water relaunchable kite is fine for intermediate to advanced kite
surfers. However, even the pro's still crash their sleds. I saw several
swim to the beach in Maui dragging their wet kites behind them. I saw one
pro collapse on the beach due to exhaustion after swimming 1/4 mile to the
beach with his soggy Flexifoil and his wakeboard.
Kenny
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Frasier [mailto:brockus@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:34 PM
To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Using C-Quad
on 6/8/00 1:21 PM, Farnsworth, Kenny at kenny@... wrote:
> A Naish or Wipika is going to cost more, but it is worthwhile. There is
> nothing worse than swimming to the beach to relaunch a kite.
>
> The problem with kite surfing is that the equipment is not very refined
yet
> and the cost of equipment is still high. As the sport becomes more
popular,
> prices will drop and the quality of equipment will vastly improve.
>
> Kenny
Until that happens, there's always the C Quad option ;) There is one thing
worse than swimming a few hundred yards to shore: Not kitesurfing at all
because you can't afford a kite. There are planty of folks out there who
couldn't possibly buy a Wipika/Naish because they simply don't have that
much cash or credit. On the other hand, if you go out too far it can be
dangerous.
I totally agree that for someone who can't fly a kite or hasn't got a
shallow area to kitesurf a Wipika would be much, much better. But the C Quad
is a much better, faster, more efficient, more power-controlable, better
handling, easier to keep aloft kite that is also 1/3rd the price. If
circumstances allow, and you're a good flier, you'd be crazy to get a single
Wipika instead of an entire quiver of C Quads.
Mark Frasier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Frasier [mailto:brockus@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:08 AM
> To: ksurfschool@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ksurfschool] Using C-Quad
>
>
> on 6/8/00 10:28 AM, Farnsworth, Kenny at kenny@... wrote:
>
>> They are not water relaunchable most of the time. I would avoid the
> c-quad
>> until you can kite surf without crashing the kite. I suggest a Naish or
>> Wipika 2 line kite for learning. They are easily relaunchable and
> reliable.
>>
>> Kenny
>
> I would agree with that, except that if you live in a lighter-wind (10-15
> mph) area and can't possibly afford a naish or wipika of the right size,
the
> C Quad and a used surfboard will get you started,as long as you don't
> venture out too far.
>
> For sure the Wipika or Naish would be a much, much better option if you
are
> new to kiteflying.
>
> The price difference between a CQ 6.3 and a Naish 9 (about the same power)
> is considerable - a CQ costs $365 from Gone with the Wind, a Naish costs
> 1,025 from Naish
>
> Mark Frasier
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In a message dated 6/8/00 11:58:35 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
arielmas@... writes:
<< Jacqueline, thank you again.
When you find the perfect place in Ca. let me know where it is, so I ´ll
find you.
>>
Arielmas, you are welcome! I am happy to have helped. I hope I can find the
perfect place in California! There must be someone out there who knows!
At 01:04 PM 06/08/2000 -0600, Farnsworth, Kenny wrote:
>Mark,
>I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with you. I would suggest buying
>a 7.0 Naish 2 line kite. After learning how to fly and ride on the board, I
>would convert the Naish to a 4 line kite for more wind range.
>
>The C Quad option is okay only if you are willing to spend many hours
>learning how to fly the kite before even bothering to try and kite surf. I
>don't disagree with you that the C-Quad is a great kite. I just think it
>will frustrate a BEGINNING kite surfer. Beginners crash the kite a lot. If
>you buy a C-Quad, be prepared to swim.
>
>A non water relaunchable kite is fine for intermediate to advanced kite
>surfers. However, even the pro's still crash their sleds. I saw several
>swim to the beach in Maui dragging their wet kites behind them. I saw one
>pro collapse on the beach due to exhaustion after swimming 1/4 mile to the
>beach with his soggy Flexifoil and his wakeboard.
>
>Kenny
We are pretty much in total agreement on the points you make above: A
beginner, not having flown any kind of controlable kite before, given a
budget of $1500 or so now and another $1000 - $2000 over the next year
should start with a new waterlaunchable kite (whatever kind, depending on
how much you want to be able to grow into the kite) and a new custom board
shaped to fit your water conditions, weight, wind & physical
ability/patience, say $800 for the kite and $700 for the board, add a few
$$$ on for harness, etc. The additional $1-2000 is for a larger kite and a
smaller kite later on. That would really be the way to go if possible. Skip
the C Quads if you can - you'll be at less risk of swimming in. Also a
beginner is not going to be able to apprecaite the benefits of a CQ anyhow,
and won't know what he/she's missing. For someone who's used to a
windsurfing budget that's not so bad. Certainly a lot less than catamaran
sailing or power boating.
If you had a strong desire to kitesurf, a good place to do it (a decent
area of chest-deep water, like a shallow ocean beach w/cross-on or onshore
wind), winds around 12-18 mph and $500, what board/kite combo would you
get? Or would you not kitesurf 'til you got out of school and could get a
better job? (that's a fair answer)
Oh, yeah, one more thing to the original poster and everyone else: If you
do get a water launchable kite, you still shouldn't go out farther than you
can swim in, unless you have some sort of backup plan (like a support boat,
or maybe some areas have lifeguards w/jetskis??). Equipment failures happen
with all types of kites, boards & bodies. There are two kinds of swims:
inconvenient, frustrating swims, and dangerously long swims.
BTW, if you're interested, here's my background: 4 years of stunt kite
flying, 3 years of traction kiting (buggying & skiing), 2 years w/ CQuads,
1 year kitesufing with 6 months off for winter. Total C Quad "wet crashes"
about a dozen or 18. Total "swim-ins" one - about 75 yds 'til I could start
wading. So in other words, I started kitesurfing with quite a lot of
experience w/the kite, and I have a good spot that allows me to walk in
from most crashes, and the self-discipline to stay close to shore :).
The most important points are: C Quads are cheap and high-performance, but
more demanding to fly and don't normally relaunch from water. Naish AR 3.5s
are easier to fly (for someone starting out, or so I'm told, I know I can't
fly 'em worth crap), do normally relaunch from water and perform well
enough to be of use, but are expensive. Right?
We should have asked the original poster why he/she was considering a C
Quad and what his/her situation is. Hope this thread is useful to someone :)
Mark Frasier
Mark Frasier wrote:
> The most important points are: C Quads are cheap and high-performance, but
> more demanding to fly and don't normally relaunch from water. Naish AR 3.5s
> are easier to fly (for someone starting out, or so I'm told, I know I can't
> fly 'em worth crap), do normally relaunch from water and perform well
> enough to be of use, but are expensive. Right?
Given the price of the complete set of bladders is around $100 USD, why
are the Wipika/Naish kites are so expensive compare to the C-Quad (both
are single skin kites, the only somewhat "construction" difference is
the bladders versus battens) ? Is it something to do with the Wipika's
patent? If so, when will the patent expire such that we can have more
affordable gear for the beginners?
Hung.
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