Thanks Hung. I appreciate the information.

George

--- hungvu2000@... wrote:

> I personally have not used the first generartion
> flat LEI but via direct
> talk with others who have tried it, the differences
> mainly in relaunch
> problem, invert problem and somewhat heavier bar
> pressure.
>
> I would think that most 2nd generation flat LEIs
> would not have the same
> problem as the first and by next year, all flat LEIs
> (third generation?)
> would solve all of the first generation
> weaknesses...
>
> The flatness of the kite directly influences its
> behaviour. The flatter
> the LEI, the more it flies like foil. The less flat
> the kite the more
> it flies like a traditional LEI and therefore more
> familiar to most kiters.
>
> Hung.
>
> George Sarris wrote:
>
> >Hung,
> >How much difference is there between the "first
> >generation" and "second generation" flat LEI kites?
> >Are the second generation kites less flat such as
> the
> >Cabrinha Switchblade versus the Crossbow? Or is it
> >bar pressure or something else?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >George
> >
> >--- hungvu2000@... wrote:
> >
> > > Ishtar,
> > >
> > > The kitesurfing FAQ has some info at
> > >
>
>http://kitesurfingschool.org/faqs.htm#What%20types%20of%20kite%20can%20I%20use
> > >
> > > . Also here is a very brief summary of kite
> > > designs:
> > > - Wipika Classic Inflatable: Easy to
> relaunch,
> > > stable, low
> > > performance, non-depowerable
> > > - Kiteski Kites: High performance,
> cumbersome to
> > > relaunch but
> > > reliable, non-depowerable
> > > - Closed cell foil: High performance, non
> > > depowerable, easy to relaunch
> > > - Seasmik: High performance, heavy bar
> pressure,
> > > depowerable
> > > - 4 line inflatable: High performance,
> > > depowerable, light bar pressure
> > > - Arc: High performance, depowerable, light
> bar
> > > pressure
> > > - Flat 4 line LEI: High performance, 100%
> > > depowerable, light bar
> > > pressure, very easy to relaunch
> > >
> > > Flat LEI: First generation: Nova, Crossbow.
> Second
> > > generation: Waroo,
> > > Sonic, etc.
> > >
> > > Hung.
> > >
> > > ISHTAR LUESBY wrote:
> > >
> > > >As a beginner and just learning the sport Hung,
> > > could you point me to a history
> > > >of different kite design and performance. Could
> you
> > > also give a few examples of
> > > >the new flat LEI kites? Many thanks Ishtar
> > > >
> > > >hungvu2000@... wrote: But wouldn't that
> > > make it like the Seasmik that we
> > > >had few years ago?
> > > >
> > > >I would rate the new flat LEI as the way the
> future
> > > kites should be
> > > >(both for water and snow).
> > > >
> > > >We talked about 100% depowered LEI and the
> "chicken
> > > loop is the safety
> > > >leash" concept a few years back and now the
> flat
> > > LEIs seems to deliver
> > > >it alright without any (or much) compromise.
> > > >
> > > >I was a long supporter of foils and still am in
> > > some respects but the
> > > >new flat LEIs really impressed me.
> > > >
> > > >Some of them have the invert problem (being too
> > > flat) but most of them
> > > >(and all of them eventually) would eliminate
> this
> > > completely by being
> > > >less flat or a firmer LE.
> > > >
> > > >P.S., To launch the kite today (in good strong
> > > wind), I attached the
> > > >chicken loop to my snowboard then went to the
> kite
> > > to launch it at the
> > > >edge of the wind window. I went back to my
> > > snowboard and casually
> > > >removed the chicken loop from the snowboard and
> > > attached it to my
> > > >harness. I then sit down, put the snowboard
> binding
> > > on and slowly
> > > >brought the kite up and kited. This is pretty
> > > amazing!
> > > >
> > > >Hung.
> > > >
> > > >George Sarris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hung,
> > > > >Could perhaps the inverting be controlled by
> > > adding a
> > > > >few more bridle lines that attach to points
> not
> > > on the
> > > > >leading edge of the kite such as that of a
> foil?
> > > I've
> > > > >never heard of a foil kite inverting, but
> I've
> > > not
> > > > >read much about foils. In rating foils versus
> bow
> > > > >kites, which would your recommend? I may try
> a
> > > foil
> > > > >if the bow kite prices stay high (Flysurfer
> > > versus
> > > > >Cabrinha Xbow).
> > > > >Thanks,
> > > > >George
> > > > >
> > > > >--- hungvu2000@... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > George,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some flat LEI kites have the invert
> problems
> > > due to
> > > > > > their flatness. The
> > > > > > flatter the kite, the more it tends to
> invert.
> > > I
> > > > > > think that all future
> > > > > > flat LEI kites will not be too flat to
> remove
> > > this
> > > > > > problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, you need some curve in the kite to
> get
> > > the
> > > > > > "sled boosting" effect
> > > > > > as described in
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://kitesurfingschool.org/kite.htm#Kite%20Design%20Fundamentals
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (heavy duty reading)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hung.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George Sarris wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Although I do not own a flat LEI (bow
> kite) I
> > > have
> > > > > > >read forums regarding the kite inverting.
> > > > > > Supposedly
> > > > > > >after that happens, there is little
> control
> > > in
> > > > > > >depowering. I plan to buy a flat LEI bow
> kite
> > > by
> > > > > > late
> > > > > > >spring if the prices come down to what I
>
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