As a beginner and just learning the sport Hung, could you point me to a history
of different kite design and performance. Could you also give a few examples of
the new flat LEI kites? Many thanks Ishtar

hungvu2000@... wrote: But wouldn't that make it like the Seasmik that we
had few years ago?

I would rate the new flat LEI as the way the future kites should be
(both for water and snow).

We talked about 100% depowered LEI and the "chicken loop is the safety
leash" concept a few years back and now the flat LEIs seems to deliver
it alright without any (or much) compromise.

I was a long supporter of foils and still am in some respects but the
new flat LEIs really impressed me.

Some of them have the invert problem (being too flat) but most of them
(and all of them eventually) would eliminate this completely by being
less flat or a firmer LE.

P.S., To launch the kite today (in good strong wind), I attached the
chicken loop to my snowboard then went to the kite to launch it at the
edge of the wind window. I went back to my snowboard and casually
removed the chicken loop from the snowboard and attached it to my
harness. I then sit down, put the snowboard binding on and slowly
brought the kite up and kited. This is pretty amazing!

Hung.

George Sarris wrote:

>Hung,
>Could perhaps the inverting be controlled by adding a
>few more bridle lines that attach to points not on the
>leading edge of the kite such as that of a foil? I've
>never heard of a foil kite inverting, but I've not
>read much about foils. In rating foils versus bow
>kites, which would your recommend? I may try a foil
>if the bow kite prices stay high (Flysurfer versus
>Cabrinha Xbow).
>Thanks,
>George
>
>--- hungvu2000@... wrote:
>
> > George,
> >
> > Some flat LEI kites have the invert problems due to
> > their flatness. The
> > flatter the kite, the more it tends to invert. I
> > think that all future
> > flat LEI kites will not be too flat to remove this
> > problem.
> >
> > Also, you need some curve in the kite to get the
> > "sled boosting" effect
> > as described in
> >
>http://kitesurfingschool.org/kite.htm#Kite%20Design%20Fundamentals
> >
> > (heavy duty reading)
> >
> > Hung.
> >
> > George Sarris wrote:
> >
> > >Although I do not own a flat LEI (bow kite) I have
> > >read forums regarding the kite inverting.
> > Supposedly
> > >after that happens, there is little control in
> > >depowering. I plan to buy a flat LEI bow kite by
> > late
> > >spring if the prices come down to what I would
> > >consider reasonable. The prices for a Cabrinha
> > Xbow
> > >16m are around $1700 complete. I would consider
> > >purchasing one if the price was around $1200-$1300.
> > >
> > >George
> > >
> > >--- hungvu2000@... wrote:
> > >
> > > > Having used a new flat LEI in the last couple
> > weeks
> > > > on snow, my response
> > > > is a definite yes for snow (assuming that all
> > flat
> > > > LEIs are somewhat
> > > > similar).
> > > >
> > > > So far, there are almost no negative things
> > about
> > > > the flat LEI kite I used.
> > > >
> > > > The positive things are:
> > > > - Depower: boy, can these flat kite ever
> > > > DEpower. I've never had to
> > > > use the safety leash and wonder whether you need
> > it.
> > > > There was a time I
> > > > crash landed and the bar got off my hand, the
> > kite
> > > > lost control and shot
> > > > across the wind window. I was not dragged
> > around at
> > > > all for that.
> > > > - Relaunch on snow: even better than foil.
> > You
> > > > just let go off the
> > > > bar and the kite will slowly drop and hover at
> > the
> > > > window edge waiting
> > > > for relaunch. When you relaunch, it goes up
> > slowly
> > > > and not dragging you
> > > > around like foil.
> > > > - Less kite to carry around: A single 9m
> > feels
> > > > like a 8m/10m combo
> > > > (or even a 7m/11m combo). Two kite quiver is
> > now
> > > > possible. For me
> > > > probably a 9 and a 15 flat LEI.
> > > >
> > > > Jumping is very good and hang time is excellent.
> > > > The condition have
> > > > never been ideal so I did not have a chance to
> > "take
> > > > it to the limit";
> > > > however, I would think its "take it to the
> > limit"
> > > > jumping and hang time
> > > > performance would be better if not the same as
> > the
> > > > traditional LEIs.
> > > >
> > > > I will know more about it on water in spring.
> > > >
> > > > Hung.
> > > >
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