Lisa, thanks for your offer to upload the photo. Karol suggested filling
in a problem report and that is what I did. I let you know what answer I
get and hope to be able to send the photo soon instead of making you
spend your time doing it.

Where do you live in Denmark? As you see from my name, I am of Danish
descent; actually three of my grandparents were born there, and my
father as well. He was born in the town of Moeldrup on Jylland, and
lived in Vejle before departing for America. I visited Denmark once and
liked it very much.

April
--
La donna è mobile...in bicicletta

Great climbing moments, #16:

Down by 1:15 at one point on the last climb of the stage,
Stephen Roche fights back in the last 5 km on the slopes of
La Plagne to finish just 0:03 down on race leader Pedro
Delgado and preserve his chance for victory in the 1987
Tour de France. Roche collapsed and lost consciousness at
the finish, but when asked upon reviving if he was OK, he
replied "Oui, mais pas de femme toute suite." ("Yes, but I
am not ready for a woman straightaway.")

The rest of the 'great moments' (I still haven't corrected
the errors) may be found at
http://www.pdqcleveland.org/climb.html

Charles



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> We are running a COMPETITION with a prize of a Tee Shirt
> for those of a creative writing nature to get their heads
> around a new list description.  This will be in the first
> email that any new member gets and be the first thing
> anyone reads when they discover the group.It could also
> be used on members websites with a subscribe box.
>
> So it needs to really describe well what the list is all
> about. We shall put the entries up for a vote.  I
> personally will vote for the one that makes me smile
most.




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On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Pyreneen Pursuits wrote:

> ***************************
> We are running a COMPETITION with a prize of a Tee Shirt for those of a
> creative writing nature to get their heads around a new list description.
> This will be in the first email that any new member gets and be the first
> thing anyone reads when they discover the group.It could also be used on
> members websites with a subscribe box.
>
> So it needs to really describe well what the list is all about . We shall
> put the entries up for a vote.
> I personally will vote for the one that makes me smile most.


I'll take this opportunity to send again a quote I shared over a
year ago.  I don't know if this is what the list is all about, but
it surely captures a lot of what *my* climbing is all about.


----- begin quote ---------

...proving yourself against the mountain is extremely satisfying,
even if it doesn't feel much like pleasure.

I want to ride the mountains and I am, so far.  But can it really
be as hard as this?  I have no option but to confront my own
weakness and sort out romance from reality.  (Getting off and
walking isn't an option.  I'm a cyclist.)  At least this climb
is forcing me to a new discovery, a peep into the darker places
of my psyche; because I do want the whole story, complaints and
all.  I want to observe my reactions closely and here I am, head
down into the handlebars, observing my reactions.

    Tour De France : The History, the Legend, the Riders
         -- Graeme Fife

----- end quote -----------


Ted

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my email-adress is: lisaris@...

--- In kom_@y..., "Lisa Risager" <lisaris@h...> wrote:
> April, if you still have problems feel free to mail the photo to me
> as an attached file, and I'll upload it to kom_.
> Lisa,
> lisari@h...
>
> --- In kom_@y..., April Pedersen Santinon <april@m...> wrote:
> > I've been trying to upload my photo to our new "clubhouse,"
without
> > success.

April, if you still have problems feel free to mail the photo to me
as an attached file, and I'll upload it to kom_.
Lisa,
lisari@...

--- In kom_@y..., April Pedersen Santinon <april@m...> wrote:
> I've been trying to upload my photo to our new "clubhouse," without
> success.

I've been trying to upload my photo to our new "clubhouse," without
success. I click the BROWSE button, select the file (JPEG) I want to
send, add a blurb, and then click to send the file. I get a message,
"contacting yahoo," or whatever, but then nothing happens and everything
comes to a halt. At first I had to escape from Netscape, but pressing
cancel also got me back on track. I've tried at least 5 times. Any
advice?

April

La donna è mobile...in bicicletta

Theodore Heise wrote:
>>Actually, I moved here in 1997 from Nebraska, where I lived most of
my life.

Ted, I won't hold that against you either  ;-)

Nate Morgenstern


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On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Nate Morgenstern wrote:

> Theodore Heise wrote:
> >>I don't know why I never thought of this before,....
>
> Does the word Hoosier have a bearing?   ;-)
>
> >From south of the Ohio R................Nate Morgenstern


DOH!  :)

Actually, I moved here in 1997 from Nebraska, where I lived most of
my life.

Ted

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Theodore Heise wrote:
>>I don't know why I never thought of this before,....

Does the word Hoosier have a bearing?   ;-)

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Hi Jan,

April I > believe you have a photo waiting to put somewhere, how's about
uploading it> onto your Profile ?

I tried twice last night, and both times, my computer froze. I'll try
again now.

April

"La donna e` mobile...in bicicletta"

Nigel White wrote:
>>I give up.

Like learning to ride a bike all over again?

I was just trying out the feature of uploading a jpg.

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Whoop-de-doo!

I've done it. It took a while of hacking around going back and forth to change
bits of my profile.

Nice picture Nate. Looks like you have some sunny conditions there. I'll put
some pictures up when I get home this weekend. I have a few nice ones of last
year's Tour... all taken in the mountains of course.

Nigel wrote

<Then it tells me I have to "convert" my email address... What the hell does
that
<mean, convert to what?

Stupid expression  but it just validates the email by sending it to your
inbox so that you can prove it is you, a security measure.  AT THE BOTTOM OF
THIS EMAIL I have copied the message that was sent to me

<Then it wants some "authorization code" to convert it? The field is shorter
than
<the password I used when I created my yahoo ID.

The authorization code is sent to you in that Email. you then follow a link
in the email to a yahoo page, type in the code they give you which you use
just the once for that purpose only.

If you get the time give it another try.

Last night quite a few of the members created their profiles, not too many
details in most but if they have their photos they can easily upload them to
this area. Nat I believe has already done this.

I admit it is all a pain, but we can get the thing moving like the old days
with the chat and the added back up of all the photos and stuff. April I
believe you have a photo waiting to put somewhere, how's about uploading it
onto your Profile ?

  Glad you are already here, 45 on board so far.

Jan

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Subject: Re: [kom_] New file uploaded to kom_


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> > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the kom_
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>
> NAH!
>
> I give up.
>
> Yahoo have made it too difficult and I'm a computer geek.
>
> I have to fill in all sorts of crap to sign up, then It says I'm not
signed up
> for kom_
>
> Then it tells me I have to "convert" my email address... What the hell
does that
> mean, convert to what?
>
> Then it wants some "authorization code" to convert it? The field is
shorter than
> the password I used when I created my yahoo ID.
>
>
> I give up, they screwed it up!
>
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>
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> Hello,
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> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the kom_
> group.

NAH!

I give up.

Yahoo have made it too difficult and I'm a computer geek.

I have to fill in all sorts of crap to sign up, then It says I'm not signed up
for kom_

Then it tells me I have to "convert" my email address... What the hell does that
mean, convert to what?

Then it wants some "authorization code" to convert it? The field is shorter than
the password I used when I created my yahoo ID.


I give up, they screwed it up!

Nate Morgenstern writes:

> Yes, I returned from a few hours of x-country skiing, checked my email, and
> responded to the original query.  Shortly thereafter I saw your similar
> response.  A friend of mine uses this arrangement when he wants to note
> intermedate point gradients.  It seems to work quite well.  As for the 100"
> I must have missed that in the original post; however, my tandem has a 68"
> wheelbase.

Don't know what my tandem's wheelbase is--now you've got me curious!  :)

Also, I don't know why I never thought of this before, but I've got an
Anocet 50 and could apply the audio recording technique to it, logging
altitude measurements every 0.01 mile.  (the 50 only reads increments
of 0.1 mile, but I could use my 45tt on the mount and the 50 loose)

Now I have to go try it!

Ted

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> >>From: Richard Marston <richard.marston@...>
> >>You're not the guy with the red clothes, trident and huge
> bike-on-trailer
> >>are you? ;-)
>
> No, I shower regularly.
>
>
>
I know what you mean -- I met Didi a few times. That's one of the problems
with obsessively following three-week tours.


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Alan, I can't take credit for thinking up the idea.  A friend of mine has
one he occasionally mounts on his bike.  I think it's an effective tool,
even if it does look a bit strange on the handlebars ;-)

Nate Morgenstern


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From: al7h@...
Reply-To: kom_@yahoogroups.com
To: kom_@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [kom_] Grade measurement
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 07:29:30 EST

Such a device exists - I have it on one of my bikes - just took a picture of
the one I have a few minutes ago. Look at the attachment.

3 years at the VeloNews Veloswap (Denver) some vendor had a bucket filled at
least a hundred of these things.  I bought 2 for about $4 or 5 each
("negotiated" price at end of the day).  I gave the other one to a friend.

The only markings I could see are "sky  mounti" - - There were some
directions that came with each one - but I can't find right now.  I recall
that these were of German origin.

WARNING: some of the roadies on group rides make fun of me for having it on
my bike.  So its not something that's considered to be cool !!

Judge for yourself - - see the attached picture.  Is that cool or what?

Alan Higbie
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In a message dated 2/6/2001 3:52:48 PM Mountain Standard Time,
nmorgenstern@... writes:

  > Why not use a 4" (10 cm) graduated bubble level (gradiometer) mounted on
  > your handlebars.  Your bike's wheelbase is likely longer than the pipe,
and
  > you can record the measurements using a hand held recorder as you ride.
  >
  > Nate Morgenstern
  >


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>>You're not the guy with the red clothes, trident and huge bike-on-trailer
>>are you? ;-)

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> Nate Morgenstern writes:
> > Why not use a 4" (10 cm) graduated bubble level (gradiometer) mounted on
>
> > your handlebars.  Your bike's wheelbase is likely longer than the pipe,
> and
> > you can record the measurements using a hand held recorder as you ride.
>
> LOL!  I just suggested the same thing.  Thanks for the idea.  But what
> kind of bike do youride that has a longer wheelbase than 100 inches?
>
>
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Ted,

Yes, I returned from a few hours of x-country skiing, checked my email, and
responded to the original query.  Shortly thereafter I saw your similar
response.  A friend of mine uses this arrangement when he wants to note
intermedate point gradients.  It seems to work quite well.  As for the 100"
I must have missed that in the original post; however, my tandem has a 68"
wheelbase.

Nate Morgenstern


----Original Message Follows----
From: Theodore Heise <theise@...>
Reply-To: kom_@yahoogroups.com
To: kom_@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [kom_] Grade measurement
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:12:11 -0500

Nate Morgenstern writes:
  > Why not use a 4" (10 cm) graduated bubble level (gradiometer) mounted on
  > your handlebars.  Your bike's wheelbase is likely longer than the pipe,
and
  > you can record the measurements using a hand held recorder as you ride.

LOL!  I just suggested the same thing.  Thanks for the idea.  But what
kind of bike do youride that has a longer wheelbase than 100 inches?

Ted

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Nate Morgenstern writes:
> Why not use a 4" (10 cm) graduated bubble level (gradiometer) mounted on
> your handlebars.  Your bike's wheelbase is likely longer than the pipe, and
> you can record the measurements using a hand held recorder as you ride.

LOL!  I just suggested the same thing.  Thanks for the idea.  But what
kind of bike do youride that has a longer wheelbase than 100 inches?

Ted

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Why not use a 4" (10 cm) graduated bubble level (gradiometer) mounted on
your handlebars.  Your bike's wheelbase is likely longer than the pipe, and
you can record the measurements using a hand held recorder as you ride.

Nate Morgenstern


----Original Message Follows----
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Reply-To: kom_@yahoogroups.com
To: kom_@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [kom_] Grade measurement
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:42:54 -0600 (CST)


Hi all,

I wanted to test the new group, so here goes.

In the past I've used a 100 inch pipe, a small level, and a ruler
to measure road gradients.  Obviously, this is a tedious approach,
and only really feasible for short hills or spot checks.

I'm thinking of trying to build a device (similar to the wheel used
for surveying or measurement of running events) that might also
incorporate grade measurements.  Ideally I would like to have the
meaurements periodically recorded.

Does anyone have suggestions on good starting places?

Thanks!

Ted

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Richard Marston wrote:

> I suppose what you could try and costruct is a kind of elongated spirit
> level mounted on a mobile device (trolley? car? skateboard?  your bike?)
> which has a gradient scale along the liquid-filled chamber. The steeperthe
> angle of tilt, the further up the chamber the bubble would progress and you
> could read off the scale what the gradient would be at any point along the
> climb.

This was my first idea, but I can't think of a practical way of
converting a bubble to an electronic signal.  I'm thinking now
more along the lines of a freely swinging weight and some sort
of pressure or force transducer that would generate a signal
proportional to the deflection.

Ted

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Brian Tomlin wrote:

> Not so much elongated as curved. This is of course both feasible and cheaply
> available. Cyclomaster supply a bike computer with this feature incorporated
> and others supply a stand-alone spirit level. The limitations on such
> devices are two-fold: precision and acceleration. You can only read within
> one or two degrees and you have to be at constant speed (in practice
> standing still) to get any meaningful reading at all.

I actually picked up a "line level" at the hardware store the other
day that is marked in increments approximately equal to %grade.  If
I recall correctly each mark is 1/8" per 12", which works out to be
1 part in 96.  The part I don't see is how to make some sort of
transducer or readout that would generate an electrical signal.
Maybe an audio recorder which I could speak values into every 50
feet?  :)

Ted

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Not so much elongated as curved. This is of course both feasible and cheaply
available. Cyclomaster supply a bike computer with this feature incorporated
and others supply a stand-alone spirit level. The limitations on such
devices are two-fold: precision and acceleration. You can only read within
one or two degrees and you have to be at constant speed (in practice
standing still) to get any meaningful reading at all.

For spot checks it is difficult to beat the triangle and spirit level
approach. For the big picture, a Polar X-trainer with the bulky altitude
module will memorise altitude vs distance and draw reasonable hill profiles.
I don't know any instrument that will memorise peak gradients and the
profile, although I'm sure that in the age of the cruise missile it could be
done.

>I suppose what you could try and costruct is a kind of elongated spirit
>level mounted on a mobile device (trolley? car? skateboard?  your bike?)
>which has a gradient scale along the liquid-filled chamber. The steeperthe
>angle of tilt, the further up the chamber the bubble would progress and you
>could read off the scale what the gradient would be at any point along the
>climb.
>
>Just a theory, of course. Don't ask me how on earth one builds something
>like that!

> > In the past I've used a 100 inch pipe, a small level, and a ruler
> > to measure road gradients.  Obviously, this is a tedious approach,
> > and only really feasible for short hills or spot checks.
> >
> > I'm thinking of trying to build a device (similar to the wheel used
> > for surveying or measurement of running events) that might also
> > incorporate grade measurements.  Ideally I would like to have the
> > meaurements periodically recorded.

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I suppose what you could try and costruct is a kind of elongated spirit
level mounted on a mobile device (trolley? car? skateboard?  your bike?)
which has a gradient scale along the liquid-filled chamber. The steeperthe
angle of tilt, the further up the chamber the bubble would progress and you
could read off the scale what the gradient would be at any point along the
climb.

Just a theory, of course. Don't ask me how on earth one builds something
like that!

> ----------
> From:  Theodore Heise
> Reply To:  kom_@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:  Tuesday, February 6, 2001 5:42 pm
> To:  kom_@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:  [kom_] Grade measurement
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wanted to test the new group, so here goes.
>
> In the past I've used a 100 inch pipe, a small level, and a ruler
> to measure road gradients.  Obviously, this is a tedious approach,
> and only really feasible for short hills or spot checks.
>
> I'm thinking of trying to build a device (similar to the wheel used
> for surveying or measurement of running events) that might also
> incorporate grade measurements.  Ideally I would like to have the
> meaurements periodically recorded.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions on good starting places?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ted
>
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Hi all,

I wanted to test the new group, so here goes.

In the past I've used a 100 inch pipe, a small level, and a ruler
to measure road gradients.  Obviously, this is a tedious approach,
and only really feasible for short hills or spot checks.

I'm thinking of trying to build a device (similar to the wheel used
for surveying or measurement of running events) that might also
incorporate grade measurements.  Ideally I would like to have the
meaurements periodically recorded.

Does anyone have suggestions on good starting places?

Thanks!

Ted

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