Most modern kiter don't use fixed loop as modern kite are so well-tuned
for chicken loop.

The fixed loop maybe still useful in light wind.

Hung.

mikefr100 wrote:

>I've kited several times with an 03-04 Naish kite/bar that still uses a
>traditional harness loop in addition to the chicken loop.  I never see
>these in use anymore, do people just not like them?  Should I take mine
>off and  just go with the chicken loop?  Any drawbacks?
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>

Brian,

Try "Madagascar" on the Kitesurfing Search Engine ;-)  There are some
good tips there.

Hung.

Brian Wilson wrote:

>I live in South Africa and am considering a warm water kite break during first
2 weeks in April with my 12 year old son. Savalaka beach in Madagascar looks
like an interesting, reasonably close, alternative to Mauritius. Has anyone
kited there, in April, or seen any good info on the internet?
>
>Have chatted to the guys at  http://www.sakalava.com/pagesfr/accueil.htm but
they obviously will not say anything negative ;-)
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>Best regards
>
>Brian
>
>    (========o]></
>
> _/\/¯¯¯¯¯¯\--/\_
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Brian Wilson
>Suntrax
>Tel/fax 27 (0)21 5560044
>cell; 0824656696
>13 Bayside Centre
>Tableview
>Cape Town
>www.suntrax.co.za
>info@...
>
>
>

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, Hung Vu <hungvu2000@...> wrote:
>
> Most modern kiter don't use fixed loop as modern kite are so well-tuned
> for chicken loop.
>
> The fixed loop maybe still useful in light wind.
>

..........I'll second what Hung has said.  Plus, it appears that the 'modern'
version of this fixed
loop are the various balls and stoppers put above the bar on the centerline so
you can ride-
the-stopper and ease some of the pressure on your arms.  Stopper are probably a
good bit
safer as that loop does not disengage well/as easily.   I have '06 Naish system
and North
systems and they're a helluva improvement.

j i m

 
 

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com <mailto:kitesurf%40yahoogroups.com> , Hung Vu <hungvu2000@...> wrote:
>
> Most modern kiter don't use fixed loop as modern kite are so well-tuned
> for chicken loop.
>
> The fixed loop maybe still useful in light wind.
>

..........I'll second what Hung has said.  Plus, it appears that the 'modern' version of this fixed
loop are the various balls and stoppers put above the bar on the centerline so you can ride-
the-stopper and ease some of the pressure on your arms.  Stopper are probably a good bit
safer as that loop does not disengage well/as easily.   I have '06 Naish system and North
systems and they're a helluva improvement.  

j i m

Interesting comment!

Sounds like the stopper ball is more dangerous than the fixed loop
(especially for flat LEI).

Maybe for flat LEI, kiter should not use the stopper ball and use the
fixed loop instead?

Hung.

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, M Silva <teklife@...> wrote:
>
> On my custom bar, I have both an adjustable stopper, and a fixed bar
loop. I
> find that the stopper is better to steer with, and have some range of
> power/depower at whatever length you want it at. However, when I
hook in to
> the bar loop, and I crash and I¹m very powered up, it¹s MUCH easier to
> quickly put my hand down by the harness hook, and slip the bar loop
off the
> hook, where the bar then slides all the way up to full depower; with a
> stopper ball, it¹s not so easy to do that, though I¹ve heard there
are ³push
> through² stoppers out there; don¹t think I¹d try a dead mans hang
with one
> though.
>
> Mykl
>
> --
>
> The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.
>
>
> On 1/30/07 10:19 AM, "jim cancil" <wetstuff@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:kitesurf%40yahoogroups.com> , Hung Vu
> > <hungvu2000@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Most modern kiter don't use fixed loop as modern kite are so
well-tuned
> >> > for chicken loop.
> >> >
> >> > The fixed loop maybe still useful in light wind.
> >> >
> >
> > ..........I'll second what Hung has said.  Plus, it appears that
the 'modern'
> > version of this fixed
> > loop are the various balls and stoppers put above the bar on the
centerline so
> > you can ride-
> > the-stopper and ease some of the pressure on your arms.  Stopper
are probably
> > a good bit
> > safer as that loop does not disengage well/as easily.   I have '06
Naish
> > system and North
> > systems and they're a helluva improvement.
> >
> > j i m
>

..." Stopper are probably a good bit safer as that loop does not
disengage well/as easily.   I have '06 Naish system and North
> systems and they're a helluva improvement."...

Yea, the accidental engaging issue is probably my biggest complaint.  I
had it rehook when I was bringing the kite down on the beach.  That was
the one time when it repowered on me. I let the control bar go but I
ended up flying about 100' further than I intended that day!

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "hungvuatnetcomdotca" <hungvu2000@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting comment!
>
> Sounds like the stopper ball is more dangerous than the fixed loop
> (especially for flat LEI).
>
> Maybe for flat LEI, kiter should not use the stopper ball and use the
> fixed loop instead?


..............don't think so!  90%$ of the Bow I see are flown with one foot on
the brake;
feathered rather than powered half the time.  Hook into a fixed loop and you've
got no
brakes.  ..and looking down to disconnect a fixed loop..or anything for that
matter, is
counter intutive. Hell, just getting people to LET GO of the bar when they're in
the Brown
seems almost impossible to teach.

On the Naish the stopper is not only adjustable - for arm lenght comfort - but
has two
diffferent (on my Shockwave) little 'balls-not-exactly'.  One is for a light
pressure (relative)
push-thru and the other for a heavier press-thru.  Yet, I still prefer a new
C-kite with a 5th
line to these first gen. Bows.  I will however order one of Bruno's new designs
from Indo
when they become available.  From what I can see; that design holds real
promise.

I'm looking forward to another season!  Stay safe you'all.

j i m

I go here when I look out at a gray sky and 0c. temps: 
http://evsjupiter.netfirms.com/
main.htm

On the right wind, there are kites in the South view just around the building
and it's easy to
image yourself stroking into short slides on your longboard near the jetty. 
This time of the
year; I look at this a couple times a day.  Cheers.

j i m

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, Dean Crowell <dean@...> wrote:
>
> Isn't this where that guy got skewered on the condo fence behind the
> building last November?


...........Ya.  I would not credit the location for the accident, if that's what
you were thinking.
The fence was there before he arrived.  I don't remember these specifics, but S.
Florida
seems to have a large number of fronts that bring out kites - and lower
judgements.  Maybe
living with sharks makes you feel pretty casual about them.  To that..

A friend, former FL lifeguard, never even got bumped over all those years.  He
figures it was
a small Mako that grabbed has calf a couple of years ago near Sat. Beach and
made him look
like a he was in a Bagdad bombing.  Luckily, he knew how to limit the flow from
his femoral
artery.

j i m

Interesting!

Search for "kite" in this article.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/02/05/mazda-hakaze-concept-preview/

Hung.

I have updated the home page of http://kitesurfingschool.org and the
Link page http://kitesurfingschool.org/kitesurfinglinks.htm and the
School page http://kitesurfingschool.org/schools.htm to have a link
preview feature from Snap.

Go to any one of those pages and move your mouse over any link on the
page, a pre-view of the linked web site will be shown.

This way, you can briefly pre-view all the kitesurfing links posted
there before hitting on the link.

Enjoy,

Hung.

I just wanted to thank you guys for getting this incredible sport
off the ground.

I cannot imagine how fun, nor imagine the frustrations competing,
designing and producing endless prototypes. When I was a kid I was
always obssesed with the wind. Why could you not have invented this
when I was playing with garbage bags? Any time it was blowing we
would head to the park and run after these plastic bags like morons.
One day I was mesmerized when my friend brought out the first big
orange garbage bag I ever saw. I think I said "Where did you get
that?" Years after my disturbed childhood my first design project in
University was a kite. You were judged on how "original" (basically
how stupid you could make it look), but if it didn't fly you failed.
I got lucky with my winged mylar stick job and passed with my 20
second flight. Later in life I recieved a HIS and HERS orange
garbage bags as a wedding gift...I split a gut but my wife gave me
the "what the hell is that?" look.

I was pretty hooked on the whole windsurf thing for years. It is
still a great sport, but the winters sucked. What do you do? I was
trying to rig my windsurf sail to a whole pile of crappy protoytpes -
metal monsters, skate blade boards, ski contraptions, wheel barrow
wheel boards and plywood pieces of junk.

Then I tired a kite. The first time I tried a real kite was on the
snow with a kiwi snowboard buddy. We stacked three 10' Flexifoils.
We didn't get too far with them as we were on pure mountain ice and
couldn't hold an edge. I will never forget the pull of this first
kite - I was sold. It felt like I hooked a train. I then tried a C-
Quad, Gun, Wipica, Naish, Cabrina, Best and probably missed a few.
I've had countless stupid incidents, and potential hospital visits
with some of these early kites. At first, I thought you get going by
taking out your biggest two line foil out and hot launch it straight
down wind.  That was interesting.

Not too far back I remember the safe spot to put your kite was at
the "Zenith" straight over head. I think I broke my foot that day.
Then I remember the fail-proof snap shackle that doesn't like to
open when you kind of wish you didn't have a kite attached to you. I
think I got a concussion that day. The sad fact is I met a guy
months BEFORE that had a YKK zipper from his forehead to the back of
his neck after checking into the fourth floor of a hotel. Same
shackle. Or how about the wrist leash and the board leash.  Those
were fine inventions. I remember being hog tied and pulling a little
red ball with my only two available Houdini fingers.

We live in Western Canada (Saskatchewan), and now have about 12 guys
that routinely go out on the snow at night with miner's lights in
the winter when we run out of daylight.  It is a surreal feeling
snow boarding in a blizzard at night, through the hills of powder.
Summers are even better. It still makes me laugh when  I overhear
someone complain about the wind...

I now change kites like I change shoes these days. The new kites are
just incredible and every time I think they have perfected it, they
come up with some smalll thing that changes the rules. Kites just
keep getting better every year and all with big leaps in safety,
comfort, performance, range and relaunchablility. What's next?  I
can't wait to find out. If all sports are a church, kiteboarding is
the alter; a living obsession with thousands of people world wide.

Here is to those early industrious few that helped perfect the
orange garbage bag

I just wanted to thank you guys for getting this incredible sport
off the ground.

I cannot imagine how fun, nor imagine the frustrations competing,
designing and producing endless prototypes. When I was a kid I was
always obssesed with the wind. Why could you not have invented this
when I was playing with garbage bags? Any time it was blowing we
would head to the park and run after these plastic bags like morons.
One day I was mesmerized when my friend brought out the first big
orange garbage bag I ever saw. I think I said "Where did you get
that?" Years after my disturbed childhood my first design project in
University was a kite. You were judged on how "original" (basically
how stupid you could make it look), but if it didn't fly you failed.
I got lucky with my winged mylar stick job and passed with my 20
second flight. Later in life I recieved a HIS and HERS orange
garbage bags as a wedding gift...I split a gut but my wife gave me
the "what the hell is that?" look.

I was pretty hooked on the whole windsurf thing for years. It is
still a great sport, but the winters sucked. What do you do? I was
trying to rig my windsurf sail to a whole pile of crappy protoytpes -
metal monsters, skate blade boards, ski contraptions, wheel barrow
wheel boards and plywood pieces of junk.

Then I tired a kite. The first time I tried a real kite was on the
snow with a kiwi snowboard buddy. We stacked three 10' Flexifoils.
We didn't get too far with them as we were on pure mountain ice and
couldn't hold an edge. I will never forget the pull of this first
kite - I was sold. It felt like I hooked a train. I then tried a C-
Quad, Gun, Wipica, Naish, Cabrina, Best and probably missed a few.
I've had countless stupid incidents, and potential hospital visits
with some of these early kites. At first, I thought you get going by
taking out your biggest two line foil out and hot launch it straight
down wind. That was interesting.

Not too far back I remember the safe spot to put your kite was at
the "Zenith" straight over head. I think I broke my foot that day.
Then I remember the fail-proof snap shackle that doesn't like to
open when you kind of wish you didn't have a kite attached to you. I
think I got a concussion that day. The sad fact is I met a guy
months BEFORE that had a YKK zipper from his forehead to the back of
his neck after checking into the fourth floor of a hotel. Same
shackle. Or how about the wrist leash and the board leash. Those
were fine inventions. I remember being hog tied and pulling a little
red ball with my only two available Houdini fingers.

We live in Western Canada (Saskatchewan), and now have about 12 guys
that routinely go out on the snow at night with miner's lights in
the winter when we run out of daylight. It is a surreal feeling
snow boarding in a blizzard at night, through the hills of powder.
Summers are even better. It still makes me laugh when I overhear
someone complain about the wind...

I now change kites like I change shoes these days. The new kites are
just incredible and every time I think they have perfected it, they
come up with some smalll thing that changes the rules. Kites just
keep getting better every year and all with big leaps in safety,
comfort, performance, range and relaunchablility. What's next? I
can't wait to find out. If all sports are a church, kiteboarding is
the alter; a living obsession with thousands of people world wide.

Here is to those early industrious few that helped perfect the
orange garbage bag

I went out in a blizzard today with the Waroo 5m.

Made a jump, crashed and when I looked for the kite, it was straight
down wind and started climbing up across the power zone.  I quickly let
go of the bar and expected the kite to pull me somewhat.  Nothing! The
kite just sort of "moved" across the power zone and barely pulled me
even 1 inch.

Now that is depowering and I assumed all other flat kites, SLE, bow,
etc. are similar.

With such depowering capacity I would assume that once one learns how to
"let go of the bar",  accident would be drastically reduced?

Hung.

----- Original Message -----

From: Hung Vu

To: ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com ; cankitesurf@yahoogroups.com ; kitesurf@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:38 PM

Subject: [ksurf] Now, that is depowering!

I went out in a blizzard today with the Waroo 5m.

Made a jump, crashed and when I looked for the kite, it was straight
down wind and started climbing up across the power zone.  I quickly let
go of the bar and expected the kite to pull me somewhat.  Nothing! The
kite just sort of "moved" across the power zone and barely pulled me
even 1 inch.

Now that is depowering and I assumed all other flat kites, SLE, bow,
etc. are similar.

With such depowering capacity I would assume that once one learns how to
"let go of the bar",  accident would be drastically reduced?

Hung.



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........aside from the question of your sanity: jumping over frozen ground.  (I
can't ever
remember thinking I wanted to jump my iceboat when I lived in Wisconsin...) 
Mike was
100% on it:  almost NOBODY lets go of the bar.

Somehow it's counterintutive?  Rick Iossi, as an engineer, should do some
research into
why almost everone seems to have their hands on the bar when their head come
into
contact with solid surfaces.

I suspect there may be a mental link between the bar and the chicken loop. 
Perhaps
knowing you are connected in a fairly permanent sense - there's a reluctance to
let go of
the last bit of potential control you think you have.... D'no?

Having flown 2, 3, 4, 5-line + a Naish Shockwave Bow/SLE kite: either 5-line or
Bows are
HEADS over all the rest in safety.  However, the safety problem - in my belief -
is mainly
between the ears.  In almost every one of Rick's post mortem postings; I wonder
"What the
hell was he thinking?!".  Sometimes, like drinking/driving, it seem sooo
obvious.

..not that I have not earned a spot in the next Jackass movie - and have nerve
damage of a
finger on the right hand to show for it.    Cheers all - stay safe.

j i m








> With such depowering capacity I would assume that once one learns how to
> "let go of the bar",  accident would be drastically reduced?
>
> Hung.
>

I just wanted to thank you guys for getting this incredible sport
off the ground.

I cannot imagine how fun, nor imagine the frustrations competing,
designing and producing endless prototypes. When I was a kid I was
always obssesed with the wind. Why could you not have invented this
when I was playing with garbage bags? Any time it was blowing we
would head to the park and run after these plastic bags like morons.
One day I was mesmerized when my friend brought out the first big
orange garbage bag I ever saw. I think I said "Where did you get
that?" Years after my disturbed childhood my first design project in
University was a kite. You were judged on how "original" (basically
how stupid you could make it look), but if it didn't fly you failed.
I got lucky with my winged mylar stick job and passed with my 20
second flight. Later in life I recieved a HIS and HERS orange
garbage bags as a wedding gift...I split a gut but my wife gave me
the "what the hell is that?" look.

I was pretty hooked on the whole windsurf thing for years. It is
still a great sport, but the winters sucked. What do you do? I was
trying to rig my windsurf sail to a whole pile of crappy protoytpes -
metal monsters, skate blade boards, ski contraptions, wheel barrow
wheel boards and plywood pieces of junk.

Then I tired a kite. The first time I tried a real kite was on the
snow with a kiwi snowboard buddy. We stacked three 10' Flexifoils.
We didn't get too far with them as we were on pure mountain ice and
couldn't hold an edge. I will never forget the pull of this first
kite - I was sold. It felt like I hooked a train. I then tried a C-
Quad, Gun, Wipica, Naish, Cabrina, Best and probably missed a few.
I've had countless stupid incidents, and potential hospital visits
with some of these early kites. At first, I thought you get going by
taking out your biggest two line foil out and hot launch it straight
down wind. That was interesting.

Not too far back I remember the safe spot to put your kite was at
the "Zenith" straight over head. I think I broke my foot that day.
Then I remember the fail-proof snap shackle that doesn't like to
open when you kind of wish you didn't have a kite attached to you. I
think I got a concussion that day. The sad fact is I met a guy
months BEFORE that had a YKK zipper from his forehead to the back of
his neck after checking into the fourth floor of a hotel. Same
shackle. Or how about the wrist leash and the board leash. Those
were fine inventions. I remember being hog tied and pulling a little
red ball with my only two available Houdini fingers.

We live in Western Canada (Saskatchewan), and now have about 12 guys
that routinely go out on the snow at night with miner's lights in
the winter when we run out of daylight. It is a surreal feeling
snow boarding in a blizzard at night, through the hills of powder.
Summers are even better. It still makes me laugh when I overhear
someone complain about the wind...

I now change kites like I change shoes these days. The new kites are
just incredible and every time I think they have perfected it, they
come up with some smalll thing that changes the rules. Kites just
keep getting better every year and all with big leaps in safety,
comfort, performance, range and relaunchablility. What's next? I
can't wait to find out. If all sports are a church, kiteboarding is
the alter; a living obsession with thousands of people world wide.

Here is to those early industrious few that helped perfect the
orange garbage bag

Well, that's what we thought last January due to the extremely warm
"global warming winter".

The winter has became more stable since early Feb and NCC contacted us
for some emergency arrangements to have the 2007 Winterlude Kite
Demonstration event this week-end (the closing week-end of this year
Winterlude).

The weather will be nice, windy and there should lots of people
(hundreds of thousands).

2005 Winterlude Kite event is at
http://kitesurfingschool.org/Winterlude/Winterlude.htm
2006 Winterlude Kite event is at
http://kitesurfingschool.org/Winterlude2006/Winterlude.htm

And watch this link over the week-end for the 2007 Winterlude Kite
event: http://kitesurfingschool.org/Winterlude2007/Winterlude.htm

Hung.

http://www.kitesurfingschool.org/Winterlude2007/Winterlude.htm

It was a major success with record attendances (as reported by the news
paper).

I will be adding videos in the next couple days.

Hung.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-eWoZEvqbbI&mode=related&search=

Hung.

20+ knots every day...

http://www.kitesurf.tv/forum/viewtopic.php?p=121#121

[]'s
Tunico

Just got back from a week kiting in Belize; had no idea it was so nice
down there.  If anyone is thinking about it, I can unequivocally
recommend it.  My wife and I went down on a trip organized by Chris
Moore from Kitty Hawk Kites (http://www.kittyhawk.com/).  Once we were
in San Pedro we were met by Chris Beaumont from Sailsports Belize
(http://www.sailsportsbelize.com/Contact.htm) who introduced us to the
wonders of kiting picture-postcard scenery in great wind conditions
both from land and from the 42 foot catamaran Katkandu (click on "View
Daily Weblog" for more trip details).  Conditions were so good the
entire week we were there that we didn't even have time to dive (or at
least didn't want to give up the kiting time to do so)!

Erik

Hello you will find hereafter my newsletter, Special Florida & Anguilla Pictures

Welcome to Anguilla, St Barth and St martin
http://www.tropical-paradise.net/Tropical-Paradise-news-february07.html


Enjoy,
Thierry Dehove
http://www.tropical-paradise.net

I asked myself this question last night and decide to figure it out
using the Kitesurfing Search Engines (including more than 500
kitesurfing sites) at http://kitesurfingschool.org/search.htm

If your site is not on the Kitesurfing Search Engine, please let me know
(just do a search on the site to see whether it has already been included).

So I just type in the name of the site to figure out how popular it is:
kitesurfingschool.org, kite-surf.com, kiteforum.com, naishkites.com,
bestkiteboarding.com, northkites.com, etc.

kitesurfingschool.org: 5 pages
kite-surf.com: 3 pages
kiteforum.com: 4 pages
naishkites.com:  6 pages
northkites.com:  4 pages
sskiteboarding.com: 3 pages
monkeykites.com: 3 pages
oceanrodeo.com: 4 pages
bestkiteboarding.com:  8 pages
cabrinhakites.com: 5 pages
kiteship.com: 1 page
kiteboat.com: 1 page
cautionkites.com: 1 page
Peterlynnkites.com: 1 page
wipikakiteboarding.com: 3 pages
takoon.com: 4 pages
ikiteboarding.com: 6 pages
ikitesurf.com: 5 pages
flyozone.com: 3 pages
cenceptair.com: 1 pages
Litewavedesigns.com: 1 pages
kitepower.com.au: 3 pages
offdalip.com: 2 pages

Please verify whether these numbers are correct and let me know any
sites we should remove from or add to the Kitesurfing Search Engine.

Please add more...

Thanks,

Hung.

hello from athens!
You have done good work submiting all this sites and
completing the focused on kite search engine.


--- Hung Vu <hungvu2000@...> wrote:

> I asked myself this question last night and decide
> to figure it out
> using the Kitesurfing Search Engines (including more
> than 500
> kitesurfing sites) at
> http://kitesurfingschool.org/search.htm
>
> If your site is not on the Kitesurfing Search
> Engine, please let me know
> (just do a search on the site to see whether it has
> already been included).
>
> So I just type in the name of the site to figure out
> how popular it is:
> kitesurfingschool.org, kite-surf.com, kiteforum.com,
> naishkites.com,
> bestkiteboarding.com, northkites.com, etc.
>
> kitesurfingschool.org: 5 pages
> kite-surf.com: 3 pages
> kiteforum.com: 4 pages
> naishkites.com:  6 pages
> northkites.com:  4 pages
> sskiteboarding.com: 3 pages
> monkeykites.com: 3 pages
> oceanrodeo.com: 4 pages
> bestkiteboarding.com:  8 pages
> cabrinhakites.com: 5 pages
> kiteship.com: 1 page
> kiteboat.com: 1 page
> cautionkites.com: 1 page
> Peterlynnkites.com: 1 page
> wipikakiteboarding.com: 3 pages
> takoon.com: 4 pages
> ikiteboarding.com: 6 pages
> ikitesurf.com: 5 pages
> flyozone.com: 3 pages
> cenceptair.com: 1 pages
> Litewavedesigns.com: 1 pages
> kitepower.com.au: 3 pages
> offdalip.com: 2 pages
>
> Please verify whether these numbers are correct and
> let me know any
> sites we should remove from or add to the
> Kitesurfing Search Engine.
>
> Please add more...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hung.
>
>




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