Giuliani Luca wrote:

> There is a man hang up to the kite bar at 9 meters with only chop
> conditions. That's
> incredible! Thank you! I'm waiting to do something like that, .....maybe
> one day!

I'm waiting too!!!!!

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Hi Tomoko,

Thanks much for the news.  I too am worried about the possibility that kites
will be banned from the North Shore of Maui.  I was warned by the FAA when I
first kiteskied at Kanaha in 1993.  Now, I feel it is as important as ever
to be courteous and safe when operating in crowded air space.

I guess we are lucky with 100 miles of Gorge to spread out and play on the
Columbia.  But for the kitesailors on Maui, I can only hope that common
sense and the common love for the air and water space will keep the pilots
and sailors at peace.  There is certainly motivation to do so, with all the
excitement focused on kites lately.

The following is a section I pulled from the FAA site
http://www.faa.gov/avr/afshome.htm.  Perhaps you would like to bring it to
the meeting tonite.

   Sec. 101.13   Operating limitations.
     (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may
   operate a moored balloon or kite--
     (1) Less than 500 feet from the base of any cloud;
     (2) More than 500 feet above the surface of the earth;
     (3) From an area where the ground visibility is less than three miles;
or
     (4) Within five miles of the boundary of any airport.
     (b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to the operation of a
   balloon or kite below the top of any structure and within 250 feet of it,
if
   that shielded operation does not obscure any lighting on the structure.

Best wind and good luck in the contest,

Cory

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Giuliani Luca wrote:
>
> Can you send me again the photo of the jump, you sent yesterday.
> File name 29feet....or something like that. I've lost it. There is a man
> hang up to the kite bar at 9 meters with only chop conditions. That's
> incredible!
> Thank you! I'm waiting to do something like that, .....maybe one day!
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Martin Rothwell wrote:
>
> Giuliani Luca wrote:
>
> > There is a man hang up to the kite bar at 9 meters with only chop
> > conditions. That's
> > incredible! Thank you! I'm waiting to do something like that, .....maybe
> > one day!
>
> I'm waiting too!!!!!
>
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Who sended the photos you are talking about??

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Note that this jump was made with a 4.5 sq meter Kiteski kite, 1 ft swell
and 25 mph wind.  No guarantees that you can do the same with an inflated
kite.

Cory

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Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 1:12 PM
Subject: [ksurf] Re: photos


>
>
>Giuliani Luca wrote:
>
>> There is a man hang up to the kite bar at 9 meters with only chop
>> conditions. That's
>> incredible! Thank you! I'm waiting to do something like that, .....maybe
>> one day!
>
>I'm waiting too!!!!!
>
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Cory Roeseler wrote:
>
> Note that this jump was made with a 4.5 sq meter Kiteski kite, 1 ft swell
> and 25 mph wind.  No guarantees that you can do the same with an inflated
> kite.
>
> Cory
>
>We can do it with our TRACTION soft kites, Made in Canada.

Need any photo about it?

Have very nice breeze

Michel Montminy
www.conceptair.com
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On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Cory Roeseler wrote:
>Thanks for the offer, Mauizio.
<snip>
>I'll be happy to load you up with .jpg images, and you are welcome to the
>ones on my website,
<snip>
>[ A MIME image / jpeg part was included here. ]
>
>[ A MIME image / jpeg part was included here. ]
>
>[ A MIME image / jpeg part was included here. ]

That lot added up to 860kb Cory, what you playing at!!
Some of us have to pay phone charges by the minute.
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srosso@... wrote:

> Bruno,
>
> What strength lines do I need on the front and back for a 4 line wipika ??
>
> for 2 lines I understand that it is 200kg strentgh.

Definately 200kg for the front lines. It is possible to use 135kg for the back
lines but for safety reasons I prefer 200kg lines (less tangles, less
cutting...)

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Christian Klein wrote:

> I would like to add a few comments on the French kite-jumper and his
> official record. If I dare talking about it, it is because I have spent

> The number
> of casualty is very low. The worst being a broken leg for a person who
> suffered osteoporosis (no wonder) but did not know of it.

I agree that Pierre's kites, on the principle of Sylvain Berthomé's kites,
are great for jump, but I don't agree it is a safe sport. There were more
injuries in the La Rochelle area than you think.

Why don't you jump on water ? So safer !

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>That lot added up to 860kb Cory, what you playing at!!
>Some of us have to pay phone charges by the minute.


Gadget,

Sorry for the extra bytes.  I only meant to send it to Mauizio.  My mistake.

Cory

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>I would like to add a few comments on the French kite-jumper and his
>official record....


         Please show the documentation. I'm looking for some serious air
images for my Sea Flight Research site. But I don't want lemmings jumping
over land. Get a hang glider if your really want to have fun killing
yourself. Everyone makes mistakes.
         I've attached a shot of myself with a Wind Weapon in 1987. This is
Seaflight.
         To see flight, go as fast as you can and turn your kite and board
into the eye of the wind. The increased velocity of air ramming over the
foil and the increased pressure on the lines will lift your mass to heights
unimaginable when you've perfected the technique.
         The sea is soft below a hundred feet and our lines prevent us from
lifting higher than this, for now. I advise keeping flights over the sea.
But show me the images.  As I learned last week, it ain't real until its
documented.
         We are alllearning to fly. Cory is the first to show twenty eight
feet at the Gorge.Our consciousness is ready to take flight. Anybody
recorded any fifty foot lift offs?!
         We are becomeing light, free of gravity,there's no need to rush
into flight.Don't go jump off a cliff or try to do something stupid.
Imagine a man standing in the sky, riding a board with wings planing on the
forces of his own falling. True flight is about to become the most
enlightening concept of the millinium. Let me be the first to show you.
Send me the images and I'll put them on the site of Seaflight Research.
         You should all start looking up, realizing we are on the edge of a
new frontier. I'd like to record the first ascension. Send me your images,
show me wings turning into the eye, lifting tiny masses into physical
enlightenment. You are going to fly like a birds, bats and flying fish. God
grants you the will because you can.  Give me the poor in faith and I will
show you angels or demons flying from the cave of our ignorance into the
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Dave,
I couldn't download your picture properly.  It looks like a cool picture, can
you send it out again?
Thanks,
PEACE&WIND
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>Dave,
>I couldn't download your picture properly.  It looks like a cool picture, can
>you send it out again?
>Thanks,
>PEACE&WIND
>Josh Young <o1withwind@...>

Uh..I sent a gif..should I have sent another format?Dave
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Hi David,



for learning Kitesurfing in France, contact Axel'Air:

Check his homepage (in French!).

http://www.cge.net/~axelair/

cya
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On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, David Czinczenheim wrote:
>but right now I'dont have any foil. I searched for, but it cost a lot. So if I
>dont find any I decide to build one. Is there anyone who can help me ?
>Is there a not really expensive foil which can be used in kitesurf (price 300$
>or less) ?

Err...  me too.  There must be some traction kite
plans out there in the public domain that are suitable
for water use.  Anyone have the answers.

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> Err...  me too.  There must be some traction kite
> plans out there in the public domain that are suitable
> for water use.  Anyone have the answers.

You can start by trying the Dominator plan at:
http://www.cuci.nl/~henry/dominator/ebouwtekening.htm

Hung.


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My web site is now nearly completely translated in english !!
> http://www.cge.net/~axelair/
>
> Laurent Ness

To David,

Try to contact me and we will find a way to help you :!

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Salut Laurent,

A quand www.axelair.com ?

A+

Pierre
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>My web site is now nearly completely translated in english !!
>> http://www.cge.net/~axelair/
>>
>> Laurent Ness
>
>To David,
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Une petite mise à jour en attendant de changer de PC de faire une évolution
tant technique que contenu du site pour cette fin d'année. Des suggestions ?
Je suis à votre écoute !

D'avance, merci.

Cordialement.


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Sent: Saturday, November 14, 1998 7:55 AM
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Subject: [ksurf] No Subject

I'm trying to build an elliptic foil (6meters * 1.5meters) in a simple skin, with 6mm carbon fibers and with two "chambres à air" . But I think finding the placement of bridles will be difficult. Is there anybody who can help me ?

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On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, [iso-8859-1] Raphaël wrote:

> Look at the Wipika or the Sirroco to get some ideas...Why not buy one
> directly?

	 Not to change the subject or anything, but what is Sirocco? I
haven't heard of it.

	 -p

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It is an other kite with a similar shape.  It use an inflatable batten in
the front as as most of those kites do and regular perpendicular battens
(more like a windsurfing sail).  The lines attachement are similar to most
traction kites, with attachement on each of the battens althought only two
lines are going down.  Additionally, there is a few of those kites in Europe
besides these two and some of them are a lot more powerfull and practical
with still the ability to waterstart.

Raphael
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> To: kitesurf@egroups.com
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>
>
> On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, [iso-8859-1] Raphaël wrote:
>
> > Look at the Wipika or the Sirroco to get some ideas...Why not buy one
> > directly?
>
>  Not to change the subject or anything, but what is Sirocco? I
> haven't heard of it.
>
>  -p
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Pierce Nichols wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, [iso-8859-1] Raphaël wrote:
>
> > Look at the Wipika or the Sirroco to get some ideas...Why not buy one
> > directly?
>
>         Not to change the subject or anything, but what is Sirocco? I
> haven't heard of it.

It was a cheap copy of Wipika, so the production was stopped a few weeks
after starting.

About other projects of kites which would be under the Legaignoux's
patent (Wipika), their manufactors are advised to contact me before
production beginning.

Thanx
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> Additionally, there is a few of those kites in Europe
> besides these two and some of them are a lot more powerfull and practical
> with still the ability to waterstart.

What other performance kites can be water-started?  What are their design
features?

Cheers,
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I cannot resist answering this one...

Yes the Sirroco is of a lesser quality than the Wipika (but its price is
also a third of it...)  It was designed and produced by a small Mum & Pop
operation in France.  Because of their fair price (about $350 retail), they
sold a bundle of them in Europe.  They stopped this specific model to
replace it with a more advanced one due to a combination of security issue
(for all Wipika type sail), to avoid any conflict with the Legainoux, as
well as to avoid the the connotation even remote of copy on their products.


As for being a copy of the Wipika, you have to be blind to believe it!
The profiles are relatively if not completely different.
The materials used are different, their shape cut and sewing are as far as
possible.
Although the general shape is vaguely similar, it is very close to a NASA
wing type - not invented by the Legaignoux.
The bridal system is completely different - Similar indeed to most traction
kite with a bundle of line - Not invented by the Legainoux nor used on the
Wipika.
The lateral batten system is completely different, made of rod and not
inflatable chambers.
The main batten is the only real similar component.  However, this again was
not invented by the Legaignoux.  Similar systems, design to allow a kite to
waterstart or to float, were documented as far as the late 50's.

Bruno does have the merit of having filed a claim for a license back in
august 1986 (Granted in 1987) that does protect the Wipika and its specific
design.  However, it does not imply that all marine kites are a copy of it,
even if they end up with similar shape.  People used kites to propel
themselves before him, and yes on the water, and yes with using inflatable
kites, or kites with inflatable leading edge, and with 2 or 4 lines....

For reference, this is the abstract of the patent:
  A very light wing, configured like a spherical segment, is intended to be
used in the traction and lift of various loads. The wing includes a leading
edge and a trailing edge and an inflatable armature covered by a flexible
envelope. The surfaces of the wing are configured in the shape of an
aircraft wing profile and the edges of the wing curve in two planes. The
leading and trailing edges of the wing are oriented to intersect near the
tips of the wing, and each of the tips of the wing receives a control rope
via an adjusting plate. The control rope is passed through a pulley mounted
on a craft to be displaced by a person through a harness. The wing can be
used in sliding sports, yachting and gliding.  (For more details look at the
patent: http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04708078)


Finally, there is a few manufacturers which have been working on their own
systems some of them came to similar concepts (similar does not mean a copy
or a fraud) and some other more advanced, and I believe more adequate for
the sport.

Finally I would like to add three more notes to this topic.
As far as I know, the Legainoux license does not apply to Asia, Australia
nor the Pacific.
As Bruno fill threatened by a potential development of the sport and a
potential loss of his market shares, lets ask everybody not to copy the
Wipika.  Believe me it has a lot of flaws.
I know of at least three other manufacturers that are currently producing
their own sails (sorry no copies, there) which are (after seeing/trying
three of them myself) more interesting, less bulky, more maneuverable, more
powerfull and still offering the waterstart possibility.

Raphael
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> From: Bruno Legaignoux [mailto:wipika@...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 1998 5:52 PM
> To: kitesurf@egroups.com
> Subject: [ksurf] Re: No Subject
>
>
> Pierce Nichols wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, [iso-8859-1] Raphaël wrote:
> >
> > > Look at the Wipika or the Sirroco to get some ideas...Why not buy one
> > > directly?
> >
> >         Not to change the subject or anything, but what is Sirocco? I
> > haven't heard of it.
>
> It was a cheap copy of Wipika, so the production was stopped a few weeks
> after starting.
>
> About other projects of kites which would be under the Legaignoux's
> patent (Wipika), their manufactors are advised to contact me before
> production beginning.
>
> Thanx
> Bruno
>
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