> By the way: I modified the kite: I changed the full depower for a
normal
> depower strap and the steering lines are now attached with double
attachment
> points, more like the Best Waroo. This makes the steering more direct
and
> the bar pressure slightly higher.


interested in how you changed the bar over on the sonic, just changed
the bar over to the mod on the gk site with the cleat reversed and the
addition of the dynema- looks alittle flimsy with all the front line
pressure through 1 little line, works fine though..

how long is the cl line from the top of the bar to the trim strap when
sheeted in
-does this still go to full depower when you let go the bar?

what are the double attachments for the steering lines?

how much adjustment in the trim strap? 20cm more less?

thanks

craig

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Brownless" <dundee@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Greg, if yu been kitesurfing more than 2Y then for sure yu
learnt on yea
> ol' CKite!! Yr still alive to tell the story as are many thousands of
> others!! If you've forgotten yr roots and want a good laugh over a
beer, hv
> a look at the Red Bull DVD "UPWIND - the launch of kiteboarding" and
> remember!!!


I am in my 7th year of kiting. I learned on open foils, used Naish AR5
for one season, then rode relaunchable foils for 5 seasons. I am now
on the Sonic and loving it.

Upwind is a great video. It's one of the few videos I have seen that
are both entertaining and informative. It's great to see Flash riding
like a bit of a kook on a foil with handles and hearing Robbie Naish
talk about how fantastic it looks.

The last issue of Stance DVD mag had a road trip movie from 1999 where
the Euro crew met up with the Hawaiians. It showed Bertrand Fleury on
an F-One foil and wakeboard doing handle passes and kite loops.
Nothing changes.

Just bought the 06 slingshot fuel 11m2. Everyone says this kite is a great one,
good for the
noob with wake experince we'll soon find out tomorrow (Im almost certain it will
be
fantastic). As for my board, im using my old wake and have put footstraps on. So
far so good
but i WILL get a new board everntually. I rode my wakeboard today with a Niash
Aero Kite and
it seemed fine (riding on a kite is quite a scary experience compared to normal
wake because
of a) the foot straps, b) the ridiculous chop and c) keeping eyes on not only
the whater, but
the kite and the other kite surfers). Also, I am not used to going fakie all
that much  so thats
also a bit weird (like writing with your left hand).




Anyhow, I love being on the beach and so far i love k.surfing. Also thanks for
all those
marvelous posts. You guys have been a real help.

I have also the same 1 kite quiver. GKSonic 11. Tip: On a day with light
wind adjust the lines in such a way that the kite has just a little tendency
to backstall when fully powered. Then you won't have the stalling problem
anymore in heavier winds. If you sail a touch downwind in light wind it is
hard to make the kite move up again. A short and radical steering impulse
followed by depowering will let the kite rapidly ascend to the zenith.
By the way: I modified the kite: I changed the full depower for a normal
depower strap and the steering lines are now attached with double attachment
points, more like the Best Waroo. This makes the steering more direct and
the bar pressure slightly higher.

>
> The GK Sonic is fantastic. Very simple and very easy to use with
> heaps of range. I use a Sonic 11 with two boards for a one kite
> quiver. I kite all the time with just one kite. The only problem with
> the Sonic is that they are easy to stall if you are heavy handed.
> This is less of a problem than inversion but it can be a nuisance.
>


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Hey Greg, if yu been kitesurfing more than 2Y then for sure yu learnt on yea
ol' CKite!! Yr still alive to tell the story as are many thousands of
others!! If you've forgotten yr roots and want a good laugh over a beer, hv
a look at the Red Bull DVD "UPWIND - the launch of kiteboarding" and
remember!!!



I started on the first Naish's and North Rhino's and when yu look at how the
CKite's evolved to now it's quite incredible the improvement.



If yu still hv a kite more than 4Y old, take it out, pump yr heart out
'cause they had huge bladders, had ridiculous little pumps and really stupid
valves which required vice grip fingers with lightening reactions to close
before the air escaped. Then heave out that huge 600mm plus bar, rig it up
and then be careful... if u were lucky yu had maybe 50% depower, terrible
bar action unless those back lines were nice and tight, big over steer, etc

Then get on yr board and try edge upwind with say a Rhino 16 (the very first
one) and feel that damm rhino pull u downwind, try do a jump and yu have
like 50% of todays pop and nice long downwind travel.



My opinion is that flat kites are still in the early days with a lot of
wrinkles to still iron out. Yes they look fantastic scooting around the sky
with tight turns and little pull when doing kite loops, but they have not
got the grunt and feel of a CKite. I'm an old bastard in this sport at 45
with 6yrs kite surfing under my belt, so maybe I'm a little biased to change
- however when I travel around and see what is being used in the water, I
don't feel too lonely in my opinions and choices.



Anyway this is no dick comparison session, and I hope our newbie friend
choose's accordingly his own opinion which should be quite well developed
now from all these emails.



Ciao and big winds for Cyprus plsssssse.. (this evening sucked at around 13K
, bobbing about on old Cape Doctor 7ft direction board and 13 Fuel)





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From: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kitesurf@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Greg
Sent: 31 July 2006 06:25
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurf] Re: Which kite should I buy?



The best plan is to see what the most people in your area ride, talk
to the riders and instructors then buy what thy all use/recommend.

Personally I think it is a really bad idea for anyone but an expert
to buy a C-kite. Bow/flat/sle kites are so much better at everything
except unhooked/wakestyle.

The Cabrinha Switchblade is highly recommended. It is stable and fast
and safe and has heaps of range. With a decent board you will have a
one kite quiver.

The Crossbow is also good but they can be inverted if you are not
careful. The Turbo Diesel is worse. They invert more easily than
other flat kites.

The GK Sonic is fantastic. Very simple and very easy to use with
heaps of range. I use a Sonic 11 with two boards for a one kite
quiver. I kite all the time with just one kite. The only problem with
the Sonic is that they are easy to stall if you are heavy handed.
This is less of a problem than inversion but it can be a nuisance.

The Peter Lynn Venom is a fantastic kite but it is ram air. They are
the most stable kites on the market and generally good all around but
you will be in a minority and will not have many people to help you
if you have problems. They can be hard to relaunch but they are much
less likely to crash than other kites. Don't think about a Peter Lynn
Bomba. They are crap.

The Fuel is a good stable kite and very well built. It is not really
as good as people make them out to be. It is really just a good
intermediate level kite. The rest is just marketing. Realistically
the only reason to buy a Fuel is if all your friends have Fuels and
you want to ride wake style with all of them.





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On 7/30/06 11:25 PM, "Greg" <Greg.Walsh@...> wrote:

>
>
>  Don't think about a Peter Lynn
> Bomba. They are crap.
> ,_._,___
I agree, peter lynn arcs are the easiest kites to learn on. When you crash,
just let go of the bar. Unless your kite was heading straight down at speed
into the water, you come up to see the kite flying there at zenith waiting
for you.

I have a comment to make about the Bombas are crap. The larger Bombas, OK,
but the smaller sizes are just excellent kites. I have flown a 10.5 m bomba
and was blown away by the power and quick turning and speed and stability of
the kite. The 10.5 is a top kite. I have also flown a 13m while snow kiting,
and was also extremely impressed and surprised by the kites speed and power,
and you could work the kite real well.

Flying larger arcs, well that¹s another story. I highly recommend arcs, as
they can help you advance quickly, and get a lot of time on the water, but,
I¹d avoid any PL kites larger than 13m. Venom 16¹s are not bad, and I hear
the venom II¹s turn much quicker, but it¹s more difficult to work them
larger sizes. Larger bars and some mods help them out a lot. But the smaller
kites, including the bombas, are great.

mykl

--
Boy, do I wish I knew as much as you think you know. -dad(spoken in
portuguese)



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The best plan is to see what the most people in your area ride, talk
to the riders and instructors then buy what thy all use/recommend.

Personally I think it is a really bad idea for anyone but an expert
to buy a C-kite. Bow/flat/sle kites are so much better at everything
except unhooked/wakestyle.

The Cabrinha Switchblade is highly recommended. It is stable and fast
and safe and has heaps of range. With a decent board you will have a
one kite quiver.

The Crossbow is also good but they can be inverted if you are not
careful. The Turbo Diesel is worse. They invert more easily than
other flat kites.

The GK Sonic is fantastic. Very simple and very easy to use with
heaps of range. I use a Sonic 11 with two boards for a one kite
quiver. I kite all the time with just one kite. The only problem with
the Sonic is that they are easy to stall if you are heavy handed.
This is less of a problem than inversion but it can be a nuisance.

The Peter Lynn Venom is a fantastic kite but it is ram air. They are
the most stable kites on the market and generally good all around but
you will be in a minority and will not have many people to help you
if you have problems. They can be hard to relaunch but they are much
less likely to crash than other kites. Don't think about a Peter Lynn
Bomba. They are crap.

The Fuel is a good stable kite and very well built. It is not really
as good as people make them out to be. It is really just a good
intermediate level kite. The rest is just marketing. Realistically
the only reason to buy a Fuel is if all your friends have Fuels and
you want to ride wake style with all of them.

You can use similar technique (pull couple meters on either the upper
back or front line); however, it's harder and the kite may flip over
once or twice before setlling down.

Hung.

Benjamin wrote:

>Hello Hung,
>
>Thanks for your advice. A litle question. How can you land C-kites
>with just 4 lines. I have a CO2 with Recron 2. Is there any trick?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Benjamin
>
>--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, hungvu2000@... wrote:
>
>
>>I have been showing the students this self-land the Waroo alone
>>
>>
>technique:
>
>
>>
>>    1- Bring the kite to the edge of the wind window
>>    2- Let go of the bar, grab the center leader line and walk
>>
>>
>closer to
>
>
>>the kite (or pull the kite closer to you)
>>    4- Pull 1 or 2 m of the upper front line and hold it
>>
>>The kite will fall face down to the ground in the same position as
>>
>>
>you
>
>
>>normally put it on the ground.  Once the kite is landed and stays
>>securely on the ground, you may want rolling the 4 lines on to the
>>
>>
>bar
>
>
>>until you reach the kite so you don't leave the lines dangling on
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>ground (last year I got major line abrassion on my legs due to
>>
>>
>stray
>
>
>>kites and dangling lines on the ground)
>>
>>This can be done in very strong wind too.
>>
>>I haven't tried extensively but this method should work similarly
>>
>>
>with
>
>
>>the One and other flat kites (any kite with a front bridle on the
>>leading edge) just make sure you set up the stopper ball on the bar
>>appropriately such that the kite will not collapse totally when you
>>release the bar (no need to do so with the Waroo) and keep tumbling
>>
>>
>around.
>
>
>>P.S., If you are in shallow water, walk upwind of the kite and then
>>
>>
>hold
>
>
>>both front lines (chickenloop) evenly.  Now you can start rolling
>>
>>
>the 2
>
>
>>front lines a couple of rolls on the bar (or Turbo Launcher) before
>>rolling the whole 4 lines in until you reach the kite (the kite
>>
>>
>should
>
>
>>stay in the non-pulling position until you can grab the leading
>>
>>
>edge).
>
>
>>I will try this more extensively so see if any problem or
>>
>>
>correction
>
>
>>needed for this water landing scheme.  With the flat kites and the
>>
>>
>Turbo
>
>
>>Launcher, kiters can launch and land the kite alone in shallow
>>
>>
>water
>
>
>>safely.  This would eliminate all land-based accidents in such
>>
>>
>cases.
>
>
>>Hung.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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There are other kite choices out there. ARC's from Peter Lynn
(http://www.peterlynnkiteboarding.com/) are more than capable of
performing the tricks average joe kiteboarder will ever do and some.
You can have fun on ARC's too...

"new school", wakestyle...
http://www.kiteforum.tv/storage/videos/7dc209bcf1315fbf7d9de5e5e81f81
46guilherm.wmv
http://www.perfect-ride.com/videos/perfect-session-VENOMII.wmv
http://www.kitewatch.com/supermanager.php?f=videos&videoID=32&cat=

surfing...
http://www.kiteforum.tv/storage/videos/05133ec97b3a36723a1fa64672e836
felakeyoctoberWMV.wmv
http://www.kitewatch.com/supermanager.php?f=videos&videoID=602&cat=

"old school" and big, floaty airs...
http://www.foilzone.com/video/arcoholics.zip

stability demo...
http://www.kitewatch.com/supermanager.php?f=videos&videoID=1045&cat=

and yes, even "Frisbee"...
http://portnawakevdo.free.fr/videos/allwedoisportnawake.wmv

When you inflatable guys get sick of...

forgetting those heavy weight bags... the pumps that are forgotten
or break... expensive bladders that leak or pop... nozzles that melt
off bladders... seams that burst... struts that detach from the
LE... fabric that lasts a year... longer c-loop lines... stoppers...
pulleys and bridles... inversions... falling out of the sky... auto
crash and auto destroy... assisted launching and landing...


Enjoy,
Myron




--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Lex Lissauer" <lex.lissauer@...>
wrote:
>
> Very good description, Gary.
> Fuel is indeed a <no bullshit> kite.
> F.One sk8 129 is my personal favorite and a good combi with SS
Fuel, but for
> a beginner I would recommend a board that needs less power than
the Sk8.
> Underground makes excellent boards.
> I am not sure if I agree about C kites being better for beginners.
Maybe
> because beginners can be clumsy with the bar they can accidently
power up
> too much on a bow. In that respect you are right. Bow kites
require more
> subtle bar handling. Also for an experienced wakeboarder it is
easier to
> compensate for gusts by board control (more/less edging) instead
of playing
> with the bar as is what the bow asks for.
> So in Jeremies case I agree: Go for the Fuel.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Very good description, Gary.
Fuel is indeed a <no bullshit> kite.
F.One sk8 129 is my personal favorite and a good combi with SS Fuel, but for
a beginner I would recommend a board that needs less power than the Sk8.
Underground makes excellent boards.
I am not sure if I agree about C kites being better for beginners. Maybe
because beginners can be clumsy with the bar they can accidently power up
too much on a bow. In that respect you are right. Bow kites require more
subtle bar handling. Also for an experienced wakeboarder it is easier to
compensate for gusts by board control (more/less edging) instead of playing
with the bar as is what the bow asks for.
So in Jeremies case I agree: Go for the Fuel.


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Hello Hung,

Thanks for your advice. A litle question. How can you land C-kites
with just 4 lines. I have a CO2 with Recron 2. Is there any trick?

Cheers,

Benjamin

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, hungvu2000@... wrote:
>
> I have been showing the students this self-land the Waroo alone
technique:
>
>     1- Bring the kite to the edge of the wind window
>     2- Let go of the bar, grab the center leader line and walk
closer to
> the kite (or pull the kite closer to you)
>     4- Pull 1 or 2 m of the upper front line and hold it
>
> The kite will fall face down to the ground in the same position as
you
> normally put it on the ground.  Once the kite is landed and stays
> securely on the ground, you may want rolling the 4 lines on to the
bar
> until you reach the kite so you don't leave the lines dangling on
the
> ground (last year I got major line abrassion on my legs due to
stray
> kites and dangling lines on the ground)
>
> This can be done in very strong wind too.
>
> I haven't tried extensively but this method should work similarly
with
> the One and other flat kites (any kite with a front bridle on the
> leading edge) just make sure you set up the stopper ball on the bar
> appropriately such that the kite will not collapse totally when you
> release the bar (no need to do so with the Waroo) and keep tumbling
around.
>
> P.S., If you are in shallow water, walk upwind of the kite and then
hold
> both front lines (chickenloop) evenly.  Now you can start rolling
the 2
> front lines a couple of rolls on the bar (or Turbo Launcher) before
> rolling the whole 4 lines in until you reach the kite (the kite
should
> stay in the non-pulling position until you can grab the leading
edge).
> I will try this more extensively so see if any problem or
correction
> needed for this water landing scheme.  With the flat kites and the
Turbo
> Launcher, kiters can launch and land the kite alone in shallow
water
> safely.  This would eliminate all land-based accidents in such
cases.
>
> Hung.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hiya

Here in Cyprus we mostly use the Slingshot fuel and with only good results
for both beginners and more advanced. Big plus's are that they are tough
kites and can handle crashes onto our pebbly beaches, they have the fast
response yu want for wakeboard moves, good upwind characteristics, easy
setup and pump up, 5th line can be fitted / removed in a few minutes and is
really not needed for the 11 and smaller as these sizes just crave to get
their asses out of the water and back in the air almost by themselves. Even
though response is fast, they are very stable and stay exactly where yu
imagine them to be.

I am 88kg using a Fone Skate 129 board, Friday I was out in around 22-26K
with 2006 Fuel 9 - brand new and just out of the box, needed no bullshit
setting up, simply rip open the box, pump up, set up lines, remove 5th line,
connect to bar and in the water. I also have the 2005 15, 2006 13, 2005 11.



Another big plus is the nice back pack that comes with the kite which is
ideal for traveling. On the safety angle, the chicken loop release is really
simple, works every time is easy to reset and yu can even adjust the loop to
make smaller if yu prefer the bar closer to yr body, the tongue for securing
the loop to yr harness hook can also be simply removed with a screw driver
and not cutoff like other kites - once yu hv progressed from learning stage
and start doing unhooked, u will want to remove the tongue.



For a board I would recommend the Underground 126 Flex which is used by
quite a few of our riders doing the unhooked wakeboard style tricks - a fast
board with soft landings.



Anyway, best is to join a school, learn on their kit, try out as much gear
as yu can and draw yr own opinion inside yr pocket budget.



Further would agree that the good 'ol C Kite is the best for learning - over
here I have seen a few bow kites incl Cabrinha and they simply are not
attracting riders. However for example In Cape Town they are very popular
because mostly wave riding and Naish heads the pack down their.



Cheers and good luck.

Gary







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From: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kitesurf@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lex Lissauer
Sent: 30 July 2006 04:02
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Which kite should I buy?



Your welcome.
I never tried the Switchblade but heard good things about it. It is
definitely a good beginners kite: More easygoing and bigger depower range
than the Slingshot Fuel. I personally don't like the complicated bar set-up
with pulleys.
I started with foil kites, then C kites then bowkites. Transition from
C-kites to bow kites is easy. If you start with bow kites it might be hard
to get used to C-kites afterwards and I think radical styles, like
wakeboard/unhooked tricks are better performed with C-kites.

I am pretty convinced that whatever you choose it will be OK, as all kites
you mentioned are quality kites.

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Hi Jeremy,

Take care: The Slingshot Fuel does NOT have 100% depower. Also I recommended
a 10m², not a 12 for your weight. The quality of Slingshot is excellent.
About making the right choice:
You can't really choose the perfect kite before you have at least one season
experience, can jump, do some tricks and sail in different circumstances and
tried out different kites.
At the other hand: Any 2006 kite will do for your first year. If you want a
concrete advice: Go for the bow. It is versatile and safe and easy to
relaunch. If money is no issue buy a switchblade 12, otherwise a Waroo 9
would be a good choice. Then next year buy your perfect set. And don't
worry: you won't get bored with any of those kites..
Good luck,

Lex


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Awesom thanks so much for your great response! Im sorry to burden you with so
many
(pathetic) questions but i just want to make the absolute best choice. So you
think that if i
had to get one kite the most versitile would be the slingshot fuel? say a 12m
would take
me from pretty much beginner to advanced and i would still be able to use it
correct? Now
Lex, u seem like a very experienced kite surfer, is slingshot a good quality
brand? Is the
slingshot fuel techniecally speaking advanced yet simple (i know it has 100%
depower
which i presume is useful). It is also a C kite correct?

However, do you think the cabrina switchblade will be too basic? As in as i
progress will I
get bored with it? I just want to make a good investment. Something i can do
tricks with
but at the same time feel comfortable with when it comes to learning new tricks.

Lex, you have been most helpful and I only hope I can be as helpful to you in
the near
future.

Thanks a ton.
Jeremy


--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Lex Lissauer" <lex.lissauer@...> wrote:
>
> Your welcome.
> I never tried the Switchblade but heard good things about it. It is
> definitely a good beginners kite: More easygoing and bigger depower range
> than the Slingshot Fuel. I personally don't like the complicated bar set-up
> with pulleys.
> I started with foil kites, then C kites then bowkites. Transition from
> C-kites to bow kites is easy. If you start with bow kites it might be hard
> to get used to C-kites afterwards and I think radical styles, like
> wakeboard/unhooked tricks are better performed with C-kites.
>
> I am pretty convinced that whatever you choose it will be OK, as all kites
> you mentioned are quality kites.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Your welcome.
I never tried the Switchblade but heard good things about it. It is
definitely a good beginners kite: More easygoing and bigger depower range
than the Slingshot Fuel. I personally don't like the complicated bar set-up
with pulleys.
I started with foil kites, then C kites then bowkites. Transition from
C-kites to bow kites is easy. If you start with bow kites it might be hard
to get used to C-kites afterwards and I think radical styles, like
wakeboard/unhooked tricks are better performed with C-kites.

I am pretty convinced that whatever you choose it will be OK, as all kites
you mentioned are quality kites.


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Hi!

Thanks for your reply it was very helpful. What do you think about the cabrinha
switchblade 06 12m kite for me? It just looks like an easy kite to (it has the
full on demand
depower which is awesom) and from what they say very good relaunching
capabilities.

I was also advised to look into Naish, and perhaps airush. Do you have any
recommendations? What do you think about the cabrinha?

Cheers
Jeremy

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Lex Lissauer" <lex.lissauer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> If you want to do wakeboard tricks I would recommend the Slingshot Fuel, not
> the Turbo Diesel.
> With your weight a 10m² would be fine. The Fuel is not a beginner kite, but
> it is stable enough to learn.
> Liquid Force has wakeboard style kiteboards. Recommended size: between
> 129-135 cm length and 37-39 cm width
> It is just an advise. As soon as you get going borrow and try as many boards
> and kites as you can to see what fits you best.
>
> Lex
>
> I just learned kitesurfing and I want to buy a kite because I cannot get
> > enough of the sport.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Jeremy,

If you want to do wakeboard tricks I would recommend the Slingshot Fuel, not
the Turbo Diesel.
With your weight a 10m² would be fine. The Fuel is not a beginner kite, but
it is stable enough to learn.
Liquid Force has wakeboard style kiteboards. Recommended size: between
129-135 cm length and 37-39 cm width
It is just an advise. As soon as you get going borrow and try as many boards
and kites as you can to see what fits you best.

Lex

I just learned kitesurfing and I want to buy a kite because I cannot get
> enough of the sport.
>


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Dear all,

I just learned kitesurfing and I want to buy a kite because I cannot get enough
of the sport.
Generally speaking, i want to surf in winds of approx 10- 20+ knots. I was
advised to buy the
slingshot Turbo Diesel 12m Kite for $1200 USD. I am a wakeboarder who has made /
making
the transition (I can do raileys, backroll and S-Bends on wakeboards) and would
like to start
doing tricks as soon as possible. From my research on the net, I feel that
although the
slingshot td is not bad, its not the greatest for me. I have heard that Cabrinha
kites are one
of the best and the 06 classic contra 12m, co2 and revolver 12m also seem more
aproporiate, and cheaper. What do you think? The marketing also seems better and
more
towards tricks but I could be wrong and that is why I am seeking your advice. I
am a very fast
learner too.

Thanks a lot
Jeremy

P.S. I am 20 years old if that helps to give a general insight to my athletic
ability. I weigh 155
pounds  (65kg).

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  KPWT Final Press Release Morocco 06
Date:  Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:29:41 +0200
From:  KPWT <kiteboarding@...>
To:  <kiteboarding@...>



2006 Kiteboard Pro World Tour - since 1999
ESSAOUIRA KITEBOARD WORLD CUP - 40 000USD

20 / 26 July 2006







THE PREMIER ESSOUIRA EVENT ENDS WITH SUPERB FREESTYLE FINALS!



The premier event in Morocco for the Kiteboard Pro World Tour 2006 saved the
best for the last in Essaouira with the Freestyle Finals held on Tuesday.



The Freestyle Finals brought the winners from the 1st Elimination Bracket
against the winners from the 2nd Elimination Bracket, giving everyone a second
chance eventually in the event.  The conditions were as stable as the day before
and the heats started with full speed in the morning.  The Men's heats were
especially breath-taking as the second bracket winners challenged the 1st
bracket's riders thoroughly.  In the end, Sébastien Garat (FRA) held on to his
former title against Christian Holley (SPA).  There was only one surprise for
the Women as Ainhoa Garcia (SPA) made some great tricks to claim the third place
from Angela Peral (SPA).



Later in the afternoon, the finals of the Speed Crossing race gave the crowd an
outstanding visual show as well as pure adrenalin.  It was Vincent Tiger (FRA)
who passed the finish line by only a few inches ahead of Pierre Romain (FRA) for
the Men and Aurelia Herpin (SPA) by 23 seconds ahead of Angela Peral (SPA).



Following a full week of competitions, the riders cooled off at the Taros
Terrace in the night for a private party for the tour.



The Kiteboard Pro World Tour Essouira 2006 is to come to an end with at the
prestigious Ryad Mogadar Hotel on Wednesday after a cool 2nd Chance Hang Time
session.



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The Results:





Freestyle (MEN)



1st  Sébastien GARAT (FRA)   RRD, RRD Clothing, Mystic, CoolShoes         $ 
6.000

2nd Christian HOLLEY (SPA)   Best
$  4.000

3rd  Greg THISSE (RSA)          Red bull, Oakley, Kawai, Cab
$  2.500









Freestyle (WOMEN)



1st Gisela PULIDO (SPA)  Movistar, Airush, Rip Curl, Shapes, FC Barcelona    $ 
3.000

2nd Julie SIMSAR (TUR)    Liquid Force, Dakine, Kronic Kiteboard, Misultin      
$  2.300

3rd Ainhoa GARCIA (SPA) Boardrider Company
$  1.500










Wave Masters (MEN)



1st Vincent Tiger (FRA)      Naish, Rip Curl, Airslide
$ 2.000

2nd Jose Luengo (SPA)      Airush, Quiksilver, Dakine
$ 1.000

3rd Pierre ROMAIN (FRA)  North, Surfactory DC1, Mystic, Cool Tracks          $
500











Wave Masters (WOMEN)



1st Ainhoa GARCIA (SPA)   Boardrider Company
$   700

2nd Aurelia HERPIN (FRA)  JN, Radical, Mauimagic
$   500

3rd Angela PERAL (SPA)    North, Roxy
$   300











Speed Crossing World Cup (MEN)



1st Vincent Tiger (FRA)        Naish, Rip Curl, Airslide
$ 1.500

2nd Pierre ROMAIN (FRA)   North, Surfactory DC1, Mystic, Cool Tracks        $   
800

3rd Greg THISSE (RSA)      Red Bull, Oakley, Kawai, Cab
$    400









Speed Crossing World Cup (WOMEN)



1st Aurelia HERPIN (FRA) JN, Radical, Mauimagic
$   700

2nd Angela PERAL (SPA)  North, Roxy
$   400

3rd Julie SIMSAR (TUR)    Liquid Force, Dakine, Kronic Kiteboard, Misultin
$   300









Hang Time (MEN)



1st Thomas COCQUELET (FRA)   Cabrinha, Sooruz, Julbo, RSC, Axel'Air       $  600

2nd Leshai MILLER (ISR/USA)        Naish, Red Bull

3rd Alain STEELE (RSA)                 Naish









Hang Time (WOMEN)



1st Julie SIMSAR (TUR)       Liquid Force, Dakine, Kronic Kiteboard, Misultin
$  400

2nd Noelia NUNEZ (SPA)    Airush, Nikita, Nomad, Prolimit

3rd Ainhoa GARCIA (SPA)  Boardrider Company








Organization: Essaouira Mogador Association / Athlete21 / L'Association des
Surfeurs et Flysurfeurs d'Essouira

Sponsors: Lenovo, Maroc, Athlete21, Mogador Essouira, Windguru, Hawaii Surf ,
Kayak

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Next event:

Guincho Kiteboard World Cup, Portugal - Guincho - 4 / 10 September

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One of the method for drift launching.
     1- Bring the kite, bar and lines into the water (the lines are
properly wrapped around the TL or the bar)
     2- Open the kite up (as if it is flying over head - at zenith) to
check for any possible tangle
     3- Drop the kite LE down into the water (the same position as if you
put it on land).  There is little pull from the kite in this position.
     4- Release the lines from the TL or the bar and the kite will drift
slowly away.  Make sure you keep slight even tension on the 4 lines with
1 hand  to keep it in the same position.  If you can't keep the kite in
the same position while drifting away, you  may run in to problem if you
don't have the TL.
     5- When all lines are free from the TL or the bar, relaunch the kite
from the water as usual.

Due to similar position of the kite when you put it down on land or on
water, you can practice this on land many times until perfection before
trying it in the water.

Hung.


Gerry Duquette wrote:

>HUng
>
>I am new to this and was hoping that you could describe how to drift launch
>a kite.
>The girlfriend id getting a little bored.
>Ger
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "hungvuatnetcomdotca" <hungvu2000@...>
>Reply-To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
>To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ksurf] Re: Turbo Launcher opens up new kiting spots
>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:59:13 -0000
>
>Daniel,
>
>The Turbo Launcher as its name implies, allows a kiter to launch a
>kite faster at tiny or difficult launching spot.
>
>The process involves:
>    1- Load up you lines and bar with the TL at home
>    2- Set up you kite and the TL at the launch spot
>    3- Bring you kite and TL to the water (shallow is best but deep
>should work too)
>    4- Drift launch your kite
>
>The TL makes this whole process easy and looks professional.  With it,
>  you can launch your kite almost anywhere you can kite.
>
>P.S., The TL needs lots of practice to use it well.  It's worth all
>the practice.
>
>Hung.
>
>--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "daniel2218" <dan2218@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hung,
> >
> > Can you describe in some detail what that process is like?  I've thought
> > about getting one but not sure exactly how I would use it.  Thanks.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, hungvu2000@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been vacationing with the family at Sandbridge, VA in the last
> > > couple summers.
> > >
> > > In the past, I normally only kite in the Ocean as the Back Bay
>area has
> > > no beach and only tiny access spots for canoe or small boat.
> > >
> > > The wind is normall very strong from the S or SW (the dominant wind
> > > direction for northern hemisphere).
> > >
> > > Today I launch my 9m Waroo myself with the Turbo Launcher from a tiny
> > > canoe launch at Back Bay across from the Little Island Park (you
>can pay
> > > $5 to park in the park or park free on the road side 50m from the
>park -
> > > very limited parking spaces here, also watch out for soft sand if you
> > > don't have 4x4)
> > >
> > > Launching is no problem once you walk your kite out into open water
> > > around waist deep.
> > >
> > > The kiting was excellent at Back Bay (mostly waist deep), strong,
>clean
> > > wind and pretty flat water.
> > >
> > > Two other kiters joined me afterward, they did have the Turbo
>Launcher
> > > but they had two and helped each other to get launch.
> > >
> > > Hung.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Just like the AR ratio was such a big deal back in the day, but now most
kite (except maybe some specialized kite) have a medium aspect ration. They
found a good happy medium between performance and ease of use.

It will be similar with the flatness of the kite. They'll find a happy
medium that doesn't sacrifice too much performance and still be easy to use.




This time, they should find that perfect flatness fairly quickly, because of
the design experience most company have by now. We already see the 2007
kites being much better at both performing and keeping it nice and easy to
fly.





   _____

From: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kitesurf@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of hungvu2000@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:35 AM
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com; ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurf] Too flat versus too C



Everyone involved with kitesurfing in the early days knows about the
foil .vs. inflatable battle.

Foils are too flat and inflatables are too C.

Foils are more efficient and inflatables are more stable and there is
this "sled boosting" effect.

Now with flat LEIs, there may be similar battle between too flat flat
LEIs (e.g. Bows) and too C flat LEIs (e.g. SLEs)

I have flown a couple flat LEIs and found that for a too flat LEI, the
kite is efficient but at the same time very slow turning (similar to
foil) unless you have a longer bar or a pulley bar

Of course, too C flat LEI is not as efficient but it has similar effects
as a classic LEI.

Wondering which type of flat LEI will win eventually....

P.S., Personally, I think flatter, more efficient kites (like foil) are
more for high speed, advanced kiters who want to juice as much power
from the kite and stable, "sled boosting" kites are more for everyone
else who simply want to have fun, boosting high and tricks.

Hung.





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Underground 142 or 132 depending upon your weight and local wind strengths...

Matt
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: kerem evrandýr
   To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:00 AM
   Subject: [ksurf] which board?


   Hi, greatings from Blacksea cost, Turkey.

   I am looking to get a board and your recommandations are more than welcome.

   I am a beginner kitesurfer but i ve been improving rapidly. I have 6'60 Naish
directional board, but since my kite zone is wavy (waves app. 100 to 150 cm),
riding that old faishoned board is very uncomfortable.

   I intended to get a Litewave Freestyle 145. Im not sure if that suits me well.
What else can you recommend?

   Thank you.





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Go ahead Hung, almost ( every village has an idiot ) everyone,
understands your comparision of typical foil flat kite vs. C Kite.

HUng

I am new to this and was hoping that you could describe how to drift launch
a kite.
The girlfriend id getting a little bored.
Ger

----Original Message Follows----
From: "hungvuatnetcomdotca" <hungvu2000@...>
Reply-To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurf] Re: Turbo Launcher opens up new kiting spots
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:59:13 -0000

Daniel,

The Turbo Launcher as its name implies, allows a kiter to launch a
kite faster at tiny or difficult launching spot.

The process involves:
     1- Load up you lines and bar with the TL at home
     2- Set up you kite and the TL at the launch spot
     3- Bring you kite and TL to the water (shallow is best but deep
should work too)
     4- Drift launch your kite

The TL makes this whole process easy and looks professional.  With it,
   you can launch your kite almost anywhere you can kite.

P.S., The TL needs lots of practice to use it well.  It's worth all
the practice.

Hung.

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "daniel2218" <dan2218@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hung,
  >
  > Can you describe in some detail what that process is like?  I've thought
  > about getting one but not sure exactly how I would use it.  Thanks.
  >
  > Daniel
  >
  > --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, hungvu2000@ wrote:
  > >
  > > I have been vacationing with the family at Sandbridge, VA in the last
  > > couple summers.
  > >
  > > In the past, I normally only kite in the Ocean as the Back Bay
area has
  > > no beach and only tiny access spots for canoe or small boat.
  > >
  > > The wind is normall very strong from the S or SW (the dominant wind
  > > direction for northern hemisphere).
  > >
  > > Today I launch my 9m Waroo myself with the Turbo Launcher from a tiny
  > > canoe launch at Back Bay across from the Little Island Park (you
can pay
  > > $5 to park in the park or park free on the road side 50m from the
park -
  > > very limited parking spaces here, also watch out for soft sand if you
  > > don't have 4x4)
  > >
  > > Launching is no problem once you walk your kite out into open water
  > > around waist deep.
  > >
  > > The kiting was excellent at Back Bay (mostly waist deep), strong,
clean
  > > wind and pretty flat water.
  > >
  > > Two other kiters joined me afterward, they did have the Turbo
Launcher
  > > but they had two and helped each other to get launch.
  > >
  > > Hung.
  > >
  >

On 7/26/06 6:00 AM, "Lex Lissauer" <lex.lissauer@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Foils are too flat?
> Ever saw a Peter Lynn kite, like the Venom? More C than any tube kite I
> know.


Uh, the venom is NOT A FOIL KITE. Yes, it has cells, like a foil kite does,
but if I had to describe it by existing kite types, I would call it a
foil/sled hybrid. However, with the sealed valves on the leading edge and
lack of bridles, etc., it¹s just a completely new and unique design, which
the creator himself calls an ³arc² kite.

If PLK were smart enough to have licensed the design, there would be other
manufacturers producing arcs, and all together, we¹d have, ³C² LEI (sled)
kites, ³bow² or ³flat² LEI¹s, foils, and, arcs, which we could use to
kitesurf or do other traction sports with.

So don¹t call arcs foils, because they¹re not foils, it¹s more a ram air
sled than a foil. Venoms, Guerillas, Bombas, Phantoms, etc. are ARC kites.

Peace,
Mykl

--
Always try to be modest and be proud of it! 



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Go ahead Hung, almost ( every village has an idiot ) everyone,
understands your comparision of typical foil flat kite vs. C Kite.

Foils are too flat?
Ever saw a Peter Lynn kite, like the Venom? More C than any tube kite I
know.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Everyone involved with kitesurfing in the early days knows about the
foil .vs. inflatable battle.

Foils are too flat and inflatables are too C.

Foils are more efficient and inflatables are more stable and there is
this "sled boosting" effect.

Now with flat LEIs, there may be similar battle between too flat flat
LEIs (e.g. Bows) and too C flat LEIs (e.g. SLEs)

I have flown a couple flat LEIs and found that for a too flat LEI, the
kite is efficient but at the same time very slow turning (similar to
foil) unless you have a longer bar or a pulley bar

Of course, too C flat LEI is not as efficient but it has similar effects
as a classic LEI.

Wondering which type of flat LEI will win eventually....

P.S., Personally, I think flatter, more efficient kites (like foil) are
more for high speed, advanced kiters who want to juice as much power
from the kite and stable, "sled boosting" kites are more for everyone
else who simply want to have fun, boosting high and tricks.

Hung.

You put the kite down the same way as you put it on land and try to keep
it drifting away in that position for minimum pull from the kite and
more control drift (you can also walk backward to help the kite).

Hung.

daniel2218 wrote:

>--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "hungvuatnetcomdotca" <hungvu2000@...> wrote:
>
>
>So on step 4, do you put the kite in the water LEI down as if you are
>doing a water relaunch?
>
>I assume you let the kite drift downwind and your lines unspool off
>the TL?
>
>Thanks.
>
>D
>
>
>
>>Daniel,
>>
>>The Turbo Launcher as its name implies, allows a kiter to launch a
>>kite faster at tiny or difficult launching spot.
>>
>>The process involves:
>>   1- Load up you lines and bar with the TL at home
>>   2- Set up you kite and the TL at the launch spot
>>   3- Bring you kite and TL to the water (shallow is best but deep
>>should work too)
>>   4- Drift launch your kite
>>
>>The TL makes this whole process easy and looks professional.  With it,
>> you can launch your kite almost anywhere you can kite.
>>
>>P.S., The TL needs lots of practice to use it well.  It's worth all
>>the practice.
>>
>>Hung.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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The same way you land solo on land.

For the Waroo, just fly it near the water at the edge of the wind window
and pull on the UPPER FRONT line.

Hung.

Tommy Twotone wrote:

>How do you land it?
>
>--- daniel2218 <dan2218@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>>--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com,
>>"hungvuatnetcomdotca" <hungvu2000@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>So on step 4, do you put the kite in the water LEI
>>down as if you are
>>doing a water relaunch?
>>
>>I assume you let the kite drift downwind and your
>>lines unspool off
>>the TL?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>D
>>
>>
>>
>>>Daniel,
>>>
>>>The Turbo Launcher as its name implies, allows a
>>>
>>>
>>kiter to launch a
>>
>>
>>>kite faster at tiny or difficult launching spot.
>>>
>>>The process involves:
>>>   1- Load up you lines and bar with the TL at
>>>
>>>
>>home
>>
>>
>>>   2- Set up you kite and the TL at the launch
>>>
>>>
>>spot
>>
>>
>>>   3- Bring you kite and TL to the water (shallow
>>>
>>>
>>is best but deep
>>
>>
>>>should work too)
>>>   4- Drift launch your kite
>>>
>>>The TL makes this whole process easy and looks
>>>
>>>
>>professional.  With it,
>>
>>
>>> you can launch your kite almost anywhere you can
>>>
>>>
>>kite.
>>
>>
>>>P.S., The TL needs lots of practice to use it
>>>
>>>
>>well.  It's worth all
>>
>>
>>>the practice.
>>>
>>>Hung.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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