What to do when winds are gusting up to 40 m/hour and you really want
to go? Get a rope!

USA: Blizzard 2005:

http://public.fotki.com/reason/short_getaways/skiing_brooklyn2005/


http://public.fotki.com/reason/short_getaways/blizzard_2005/

As previous guys said, it's your choice.  But don't go comparing a PLK
Twinskin to a Ram air kite! PLK's are in a category of their own.  I have
been instructing for a couple of seasons and have taught people on Various
brands of LEI's, Ozone, FlySurfer, Flexifoil Blades (in fact my first ever
kite) and PLK Bomba's and Guerillas.

PLK's have the advantage of you being able to tell the student not to hold
onto the bar when putting the board on their feet.  This way they don't
crash and burn a hundred times before even getting going.  The other thing
is the chances of a PLK ending up in the water when you stuff up is much
less than that of the LEI's ending in the water.  Relaunching is not an
issue with PLK's.  The only problem comes if you want to try a traditional
LEI self rescue and swim back lying on the kite.... You need to know that
you can't lie on a TS, but you can still use it as a sail if you've broken a
line etc.  You just need to know how.

PLK's are great kites and the new Venom's fly just like inflatables and have
way more range than inflatables, with heaps of depower.  Over the weekend
the boys on the PLK Venoms were getting way more air and hangtime than the
guys on inflatables.  Underlooping and kitelooping are tricks you can do on
these kites too... unhook if you want aswell, but if you wanna go big  all
you have to do is get a bit of air and sheet in and it's like an elevator!

So to all those dedicated LEI flyers... DON"T BAG IT TILL YOU"VE TRIED IT!

Inflatables are more common and have had a lot of money spent by all the
brands (ie. Naish, Slingshot, Wipika, Rrd, Takoon, North etc. etc.) on
Marketing.  Peter Lynn Kites is one company, they've spent probably the same
as a single LEI company on Marketing and many more years (since early 80's)
on R&D.

Give both a go if you can and decide for yourself.

Happy kiting (with any kite, on any surface!)

Su

When you learn you need the easiest, safest kite you can find...
You should check on ikite.com, free classifieds and find an affordable old kite
(you're going to ruin it within a few months anyway) and you'll see that they
are ALL inflatable ones.
Foils could be fun but really why don't you take the experience from others
instead of learning teh hard way?...
Naish kite are the ones I use and after trying cheaper ones (Best, EH, RRD
etc...) I come back to a point: Naish & North are the best!
Have fun
Aloha,
Anne


suntrax <brian@...> wrote:

Hey Mark

I did say I was biased!! but was also empathising with the vintage.....

Not wanting to go into too much detail at the time, my point about Flexifoil
is that they are a company who have been making ram air kites for a long
time and after trying unsuccessfully to market ram air kites for
kitesurfing they went back to the drawing board and developed an inflatable
kite range for that purpose - surely a company with so much experience with
ram airs would have stayed with that style if they believed it to be the
right thing.

We also have a (new model) demo Flysurfer Ectsacy in the store, but apart
from Steve my main team rider (who is also a paraglider) I can't get people
to try it. Having flown it myself I find it too unpredictable to inspire
confidence - but maybe I am too old........... the bar, depower and leash
system is top drawer.

If Graeme lived in Cape Town we would already have him riding a Boxer :-)

Best regards

Brian

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cell; 0824656696
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Pronk"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: [ksurf] Twinskins


>
> Brian, Greame,
>
> My idea's on inflateables / ram-airs are a bit different. There ARE more
> then a few schools that teach using Ram-Airs. I'd say the odds are a bit
> like the odds of people buying Ram-Air kites. Most people choose the
> obvious choice. Buy Nike trainers, since everybody has them. If you get
> my point. Modern Ram-Airs offer high stability, high relaunch
> probability (havent drowned my kites for a single time without being
> able to relaunch), safety systems that are really above standard, etc.
>
> It's not surprising Flexifoil doesn't recommend any of their ram-airs
> for kitesurfing, simply because all of the Flexifoil ram-air kites are
> open celled (and i think you as a kite-vendor should know that Brian).
> But if you'd check out the Flysurfer.de or Peter Lynn Kiteboarding
> brochure for instance you'd see that they recommend ALL but a few models
> for water use! Flysurfer.de and Peter Lynn Kiteboarding produce closed
> cell kites for water use.
>
> Open celled kites aren't for water use! Period!
>
> Nevertheless there's plenty of Ram-Air kites around that are just as
> stable as inflateables. Not in all conditions (say 35+ knots, since
> tubes offer rigidity trough the inflated leading edge tube) but most
> certainly in more then 95% of the conditions you'd come across...
>
> Personally i'd highly recommend you'd try ANY kite you'd find
> interesting (which includes a Naish Boxer too, Brian would be glad to
> demo you one, since he's Naish dealer!) before you make the purchase.
>
> Of course this is just my 2 cents.
>
> _________________
> Have fun!
> Mark
>
>
> Happy kiting, whatever you fly!
> foilzone.com foils.nl
>
>
> Foilzone.com
> The Hague
> The Netherlands




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Another point of view...
First off I do not sell any kites I just keep them.

LEIs
North Rhino I 16 meter
Cabrina 9.4
Cabrina 15.5 (20.5)
Zero Prestige 12.5 v.2,  www.zeroprestige.org
Naish 3.5, 4 meter

Foils
Slingshot, B-2, B-3
Kitesurfer 3.5 (XM), 9.66 XXXL
Peter Lynn 3meter with very small inflation holes that I modified.
F-ONE 4meter, 5 meter, 7 meter
Flysurfer Titan 9.5, Psyho I 15.5, Psycho II 26
Peter Lynn Guerilla II 13 meter.

Don't knock them until you try them!
For the lightest wind foils fly better, LEIs are too Heavy.
For the heaviest wind small foils work, but so do arcs and LEIs and all three
are dangerous in winds higher than 25
With foils you have to learn how to mange the bridles, it is not that hard,
just put them away in a daisy chain.
With all of them you have to learn how to manage your lines.
LEIs all get leaky bladders which can ruin your day.
Arcs are the most stable and crash the least.
LEIs are easier to relaunch if they are medium or low aspect. More kite
sticks up out of the water so it is easier to flip them when they are face down.
Arcs absorb gusts better than any other kite. They just collapse a bit but
you don't feel a big jolt.
Nothing relaunches in as little wind or as easy as the flysurfers, even with
water in them.
Arcs and Foils don't need to get pumped, which can be a drag on big kites.
They do launch better in light wind if pre-inflated which you can do by holding
them into the wind or even easier is to use a battery or gas powered leaf
blower.
Landing on a lee shore is dangerous with all of them and you have to learn to
wind up one line to depower the kite so that it can not fly.
Nothing depowers as much as a flysurfer. They have twice the range as a lei.
You can only tilt the "C" shape of an Lei so much before it falls out of the
sky.  The foils tilt their entire profile to start with and then tilt up only
the back edge at the end so that the kite flies like a streamer.  This is very
helpful when the wind drops out and you are not so close to shore or if the
wind stokes up a lot.

So, how did foils get such a bum rap?  5 or 6 years ago back when there were
dinosaurs the most popular kites were the F-One foils.  The did not depower
and they did not relaunch well, in fact some of the sized did not fly or turn
that well.  Then came the inflatables and stole the thunder.  There are many
good inflatables.  I like Naish and North and would be happy to try any of them.
In the mean time the arc is a great compromise, no bladders, no bridles. They
might be a little difficult to relaunch but they do relaunch.  They are also
difficult to crash so they probably end up even with the flysurfers but do not
depower as much.
In the last three years the flysurfers have changed the foil situation
considerably.  The air intake vents are much bigger than before so relaunch and
pre-inflating are much easier.  It is very easy to launch one of these kites
solo.
The depower bridle is a big leap forward from the f-one days and the kite
shapes are also a lot better. They fly in less wind and turn much faster.  There
is another obscure foil company that I have flown that turns very quickly
because of the pulley set up in their bridle. It is called jojo and the kite
that
I flew was called a rage.  It comes more from the kite buggy side of things
than the paraglider side.

Why did flexifoil give up on foils and go to leis? Who knows? They make
excelent leis in the "storm" but they practically invented the ram air kite 20
years ago.
In the mean time cabrina and others are making foil kites for snow.  Sure
LEIs work but it is no fun to seal off the bladders with your mittens off and
the
bladders can not take repeated crashes into the ground.
So what should a 58 year old do trying to learn?

First you will crash your kite a lot at the beginning. Start with small kites
and used kites and don't skip the steps.  You have no idea of all of the
dangers that await you.  Go slow and you might learn to kite before one of them
get you.  Take lessons. The instructor will have a full quiver of kites and will
know which one is right for the day that you go.
Get the biggest board that you can find or send me an email and I will send
you a drawing of a big board that you will get up on. You can not improve
before you get up.
Then go out with the biggest board and the smallest kite that will work.  You
will get whipped around less with this approach. Once you have been out about
10 times try a big kite in very light wind with a big board.  This is a safe
proposition. Very few people have been hurt in less than 10 mph of wind. Don't
rush into this or you will get hurt.
In the end you will probably want 3 kites.  A trainer/ really heavy wind - in
the 3 to 5 meter range, an every day kite in the 10 to 16 meter size and very
light wind kite in the 15 to 20 meter size.  If you start with the big kites
you will get up and you will get hurt.  There is a ton of kite flying skill
and board skill that you need to learn in addition to safety issues like
location and prevailing conditions.
Remember that it is the beginners and experts that get hurt.  Try not to
become an expert.

For the trainer kite I loved my Slingshot B-3 but it is no longer in
production. Foils can crash more times than inflatos. The flexifoil blade could
also
work but you will find that most of the companies like Best, North, Air rush
and others make foil trainers.  2 meter foils are no good. They need too much
wind to work and they are really jumpy.  In the middle range I would go for a
medium aspect inflato, a Titan, or Spirit from Flysurfer or which ever is the
equivalent from Peter Lynn.  For the lightest wind i would go for the 28 meter
monkey kite, the 17 flysurfer or a 20 contra. I am not sure of which huge
inflatos work.  I do know that my foils stay in the sky when the 20.5 Cabrinah
will
not stay in the air.  I do not recommend that you try one of these big kites
for at least 1 year.  Try them in a lot of wind and you will regret it.  They
are always available used because some rookie did try them and almost got
killed and would be happy to part company at half the price that they paid for
it.
Got to go back to work.
George


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The last party is history!  Checkout the action photos at:
http://fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=474


The NEW raffle is on, how about some gear autographed by Robby Naish?
  more at:
http://fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=472&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=


300 tickets have already been sold and more prizes are being donated!


More fun to go around, why not join in and help the cause for Claudio?


Thanks,

Friends Of Claudio
--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Iossi" <flkitesurfer@h...> wrote:
> We are launching a NEW raffle to benefit Claudio Silva. More about
Claudio's
> accident and condition in hospital can be found by clicking here (
> http://tinyurl.com/4qjdr ). The raffle is to culminate with an
incredible
> South Beach Night Club party on or about March 25, 2005! This party in
> Miami, FL, USA is timed to occur the weekend before Kite Show Cabarete!
> Click ( http://tinyurl.com/3luap ) for Kite Show Cabarete Info's.
>
>
>
> *** FOR A VERSION OF THIS EMAILCOMPLETE  WITH  PHOTOS PLEASE CLICK:
> http://fksa.org/viewforum.php?f=73 ***
>
>
>
> Donations/raffle ticket purchases have continued to come in as have
pledges
> of products and services. We want to thank everyone for their
incredible
> response throughout this process.
>
> We wanted to kick off this benefit drive with a donation just
received from
> Robby Naish, personally! We had the idea of asking him to autograph
the gear
> which he graciously agreed to do.
>
> So, starting off with …  Naish Kiteboarding
>
> A 16 m Naish Torch Kite
>
> A Sol 130 Kiteboard
>
> A Naish Airline Bag
>
>
> So, please register for the raffle for a chance to win these great
items
> AUTOGRAFTED BY ROBBY NAISH HIMSELF  along with many other great prizes!
> Please visit the prize gallery to be created soon at the following
link to
> checkout the pledged prizes for the NEW raffle: http://tinyurl.com/46heg
>
>
> *** We just heard that a Best Nemesis 8 m kite has been REDONATED to
benefit
> Claudio  by Greg. B. who won it in the last raffle.  WHAT A GREAT
GESTURE
> ... THANKS GREG!  AND, we have received a pledge of a kiteboarding
lesson in
> exotic Maritius in the Indian Ocean, east of Madagascar.  More prize
pledges
> are on the way too!
>
>
> The World Kiteboarding Community response has been fantastic!!!
>
>
> Buying raffle tickets for $5.00 USD each is easy via PayPal just
CLICK HERE
> TO GET RAFFLE TICKETS
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5qdlo
>
> If you want five tickets, just donate $25. USD and we'll do the
math. Your
> raffle ticket numbers will be emailed to you and along posting of
winning
> ticket numbers with notification to  purchasers via email after the
drawing
> at the party.
>
>
> Please keep those raffle product and services pledges coming in! Please
> contact Rick via email at flkitesurfer@h..., Karen at
> karen@o... or Luco at claudio4@n... Your logo, website and
> donated product images will be uploaded in a new post in
alphabetical order
> as last time.
>
>
> Thank you for your support for our fellow rider Claudio in his time
of need!
>
>
> Friends Of Claudio Silva

I have just uploaded the first release of KTM kite teaching methodology
to the Files section of the group.

Just go to the files section at
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/kitesurf/files/ and look for the
document "Kite Teaching Methodology.doc"

KTM is the first formal "open source" Kite Teaching Methodology for many
types of kites (LEI, foil, arc) for many disciplines of kite sport:
kitesurfing, kitesnowboarding, kiteskiing and kitelandboarding.

Being "open source", KTM can be used by any schools or kiters for any
purposes (including commercial purposes).  All the improvements to KTM
must be "open source" and can be used by everyone.

An experienced kiter can use KTM to teach a friend (at places where
there is no formal school), just make sure that you meet all the
requirements specified in KTM.

Please review the file and let me know of your inputs or improvements to
KTM (please use direct email instead of replying to the whole group).

P.S., KTM is written for kite instructors, therefore most how-to
information is missing or assumed to be fully understood, it is not
intended to be read by beginners wanting to learn kiting alone (read
http://kitesurfingschool.org instead).  KTM, however, can be read by a
kiting student with a KTM instructor to monitor the student progress.

Hung.

I am fairly new to this sport and purchased a used 16m Wipika Amp from a
guy that was visiting Cozumel.  I have flown it 5 times with it now and
can't seem to figure the thing out.  It flies like a pig.  It is heavy,
flops around a lot and jellyfishes through the air and it does not seem to
have as much power as smaller kites.  Even smaller kites are staying upwind
just fine while I am still struggling.  It turns so slow and so heavy that
after an hour or so my arms are exhausted.  I have 9 and 11 mtr yargas and
they fly fine.  I never have any trouble with them and stay upwind just fine
on the right days.  I tried moving the lines back on the trailing edge to
get more turning speed but it had no effect in any position.  I heard from
some people that this is just a poor design and others have had similar
problems.  Is this just a design flaw or am I doing something wrong?  Maybe
that is why the guy sold it to me so cheap?  Any help??



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This remind me of a session we have in Baja with Andre, Mathew, me and
Cory Roeseler in 1999.  A 4 wheeler on the beach and a kitesurfer on
the water in no wind.

Hung.

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "nan0man" <nan0man@y...> wrote:
>
> What to do when winds are gusting up to 40 m/hour and you really want
> to go? Get a rope!
>
> USA: Blizzard 2005:
>
> http://public.fotki.com/reason/short_getaways/skiing_brooklyn2005/
>
>
> http://public.fotki.com/reason/short_getaways/blizzard_2005/

Hi Scuba Tony
I have an AMP 2003  12 m
It flys fine, it´s very fast, very, comparing whit my Blak Tip of 17m it is a
Formula one.
Check Your lines, and check if the structure of the kite is sew, or whit any
repair.
Just the only thin I can say that it is one of the finest Kite of the world, but
its dificult to fly, cause is very fast.

Se U.-

Gonzalo.-


-----Mensaje original-----
De: ScubaTony [mailto:schuter2001@...]
Enviado el: martes, 25 de enero de 2005 2:58
Para: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [Posible Spam] [ksurf] wipika amp





     I am fairly new to this sport and purchased a used 16m Wipika Amp from a
guy that was visiting Cozumel.  I have flown it 5 times with it now and
can't seem to figure the thing out.  It flies like a pig.  It is heavy,
flops around a lot and jellyfishes through the air and it does not seem to
have as much power as smaller kites.  Even smaller kites are staying upwind
just fine while I am still struggling.  It turns so slow and so heavy that
after an hour or so my arms are exhausted.  I have 9 and 11 mtr yargas and
they fly fine.  I never have any trouble with them and stay upwind just fine
on the right days.  I tried moving the lines back on the trailing edge to
get more turning speed but it had no effect in any position.  I heard from
some people that this is just a poor design and others have had similar
problems.  Is this just a design flaw or am I doing something wrong?  Maybe
that is why the guy sold it to me so cheap?  Any help??



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Hey All,

Liked all the good discussion about the ram kites.  I am also a
beginner kitesurfer (my first season), and I wanted to start semi-
economically.  I especially wanted to look at all the closeout deals
happening now, and take advantage of the '04 models.  Has anybody had
any experience with the Liquid Force boards, specifically the Truth
and Lithium?  I know they make decent wakeboards, I just haven't
heard much input about their kiteboards.  Being around 5'10" and 155
lb I am leaning towards a 150 sized board around $300.  Also, has
anyone had any success with buying some gear on Ebay?  I heard that
there were some issues with some sellers, but has anybody used the
guy whose store is named 'FestiveandFun'?  Thanks for the advice.

Erik

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  Slingshot Snow Product Update
Date:  Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:09:07 "GMT"
From:  Marketing <marketing@...>
To:  Slingshot <info@...>



       Slingshot Snow Product Update


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Now wasn't that a nice informative, good natured thread - reminds me of the
good old days on this group before a certain Australian joined the group :-)


Best regards

Brian

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Suntrax
Tel/fax 27 (0)21 5560044
cell; 0824656696
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Gasc" <annelabaroudeuse@...>
To: <kitesurf@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Twinskins


>
> When you learn you need the easiest, safest kite you can find...
> You should check on ikite.com, free classifieds and find an affordable old
kite (you're going to ruin it within a few months anyway) and you'll see
that they are ALL inflatable ones.
> Foils could be fun but really why don't you take the experience from
others instead of learning teh hard way?...
> Naish kite are the ones I use and after trying cheaper ones (Best, EH, RRD
etc...) I come back to a point: Naish & North are the best!
> Have fun
> Aloha,
> Anne
>
>
> suntrax <brian@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Mark
>
> I did say I was biased!! but was also empathising with the vintage.....
>
> Not wanting to go into too much detail at the time, my point about
Flexifoil
> is that they are a company who have been making ram air kites for a long
> time and after trying unsuccessfully to market ram air kites for
> kitesurfing they went back to the drawing board and developed an
inflatable
> kite range for that purpose - surely a company with so much experience
with
> ram airs would have stayed with that style if they believed it to be the
> right thing.
>
> We also have a (new model) demo Flysurfer Ectsacy in the store, but apart
> from Steve my main team rider (who is also a paraglider) I can't get
people
> to try it. Having flown it myself I find it too unpredictable to inspire
> confidence - but maybe I am too old........... the bar, depower and leash
> system is top drawer.
>
> If Graeme lived in Cape Town we would already have him riding a Boxer :-)
>
> Best regards
>
> Brian
>
> (========o]>
> ./`\/````````\-/\.....
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>
> Brian Wilson
> Suntrax
> Tel/fax 27 (0)21 5560044
> cell; 0824656696
> 13 Bayside Centre
> Tableview
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> info@...
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Pronk"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [ksurf] Twinskins
>
>
> >
> > Brian, Greame,
> >
> > My idea's on inflateables / ram-airs are a bit different. There ARE more
> > then a few schools that teach using Ram-Airs. I'd say the odds are a bit
> > like the odds of people buying Ram-Air kites. Most people choose the
> > obvious choice. Buy Nike trainers, since everybody has them. If you get
> > my point. Modern Ram-Airs offer high stability, high relaunch
> > probability (havent drowned my kites for a single time without being
> > able to relaunch), safety systems that are really above standard, etc.
> >
> > It's not surprising Flexifoil doesn't recommend any of their ram-airs
> > for kitesurfing, simply because all of the Flexifoil ram-air kites are
> > open celled (and i think you as a kite-vendor should know that Brian).
> > But if you'd check out the Flysurfer.de or Peter Lynn Kiteboarding
> > brochure for instance you'd see that they recommend ALL but a few models
> > for water use! Flysurfer.de and Peter Lynn Kiteboarding produce closed
> > cell kites for water use.
> >
> > Open celled kites aren't for water use! Period!
> >
> > Nevertheless there's plenty of Ram-Air kites around that are just as
> > stable as inflateables. Not in all conditions (say 35+ knots, since
> > tubes offer rigidity trough the inflated leading edge tube) but most
> > certainly in more then 95% of the conditions you'd come across...
> >
> > Personally i'd highly recommend you'd try ANY kite you'd find
> > interesting (which includes a Naish Boxer too, Brian would be glad to
> > demo you one, since he's Naish dealer!) before you make the purchase.
> >
> > Of course this is just my 2 cents.
> >
> > _________________
> > Have fun!
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > Happy kiting, whatever you fly!
> > foilzone.com foils.nl
> >
> >
> > Foilzone.com
> > The Hague
> > The Netherlands
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"A powerful cold front was predicted to move into Southern Florida bringing
strong winds 30 to 35 mph out of the Northwest yesterday, (Sunday, Jan. 23,
2005).

(figure omitted)

Lots of riders had been following the forecast for several days in advance.
An experienced rider had just arrived at the beach at about 9:00 am. The
launch was on the west coast of Florida. He noticed a line of black clouds
moving in from the NW. He assumed that this was the leading edge of the long
awaited cold front. He noticed four young guys out on the water ranging
approximately 15 to 18 years old, on 12 to 15 m kites with a max. weight of
about 150 lbs. They guys were out in approximate 12 mph winds, in sunny
conditions and were somewhat underpowered.

The experienced rider walked up to another guy on the beach who apparently
knew the riders on the water. He pointed out the black menacing cloud line
moving in and suggested that he call his friends into shore to land/secure
their kites. The guy blew off the warning, saying “they’re good riders, they
can handle it.”

(figure omitted)

The leading edge of the cold front arrived at about 9:30 am, it rained for
less than a minute and the wind spiked to 27 to 30 mph +. It changed
direction from west to northwest from observations at the beach. All four
guys were almost instantly lofted while riding in the shallow waters of the
sound inside the sand bar. Some tried to keep their kites low to the water
and succeeded in having their boards ripped away and body dragging across
the water at about 25 mph out of control. Other guys were popped to about 20
ft. off the water and falling back into a couple of feet of water.

(continued ...)

Lots more info, figures, etc. at:

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2312199



FKA, Inc.

transcribed by:

Rick Iossi
http://www.fksa.org/

Giggle.....

WHAHAHAHAHA.... PSML... ROFL.... :P:P:P

AMEN Brian!

_________________
Have fun!
Mark


Happy kiting, whatever you fly!
foilzone.com               foils.nl


Foilzone.com
The Hague
The Netherlands

M: info@...


All we do is foilkites!



-----Original Message-----
From: suntrax [mailto:brian@...]
Sent: dinsdag 25 januari 2005 14:29
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Twinskins


Now wasn't that a nice informative, good natured thread - reminds me of
the good old days on this group before a certain Australian joined the
group :-)


Best regards

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Gasc" <annelabaroudeuse@...>
To: <kitesurf@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Twinskins


>
> When you learn you need the easiest, safest kite you can find...
> You should check on ikite.com, free classifieds and find an affordable
old
kite (you're going to ruin it within a few months anyway) and you'll see
that they are ALL inflatable ones.
> Foils could be fun but really why don't you take the experience from
others instead of learning teh hard way?...
> Naish kite are the ones I use and after trying cheaper ones (Best, EH,
RRD
etc...) I come back to a point: Naish & North are the best!
> Have fun
> Aloha,
> Anne
>
>
> suntrax <brian@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Mark
>
> I did say I was biased!! but was also empathising with the
vintage.....
>
> Not wanting to go into too much detail at the time, my point about
Flexifoil
> is that they are a company who have been making ram air kites for a
long
> time and after trying unsuccessfully to market ram air kites for
> kitesurfing they went back to the drawing board and developed an
inflatable
> kite range for that purpose - surely a company with so much experience
with
> ram airs would have stayed with that style if they believed it to be
the
> right thing.
>
> We also have a (new model) demo Flysurfer Ectsacy in the store, but
apart
> from Steve my main team rider (who is also a paraglider) I can't get
people
> to try it. Having flown it myself I find it too unpredictable to
inspire
> confidence - but maybe I am too old........... the bar, depower and
leash
> system is top drawer.
>
> If Graeme lived in Cape Town we would already have him riding a Boxer
:-)
>
> Best regards
>
> Brian
>
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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> Suntrax
> Tel/fax 27 (0)21 5560044
> cell; 0824656696
> 13 Bayside Centre
> Tableview
> Cape Town
> www.suntrax.co.za
> info@...
> Mon - Fri 9am-7pm
> Sat 9am-5pm
> Sun 9.30am- 2.00pm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Pronk"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [ksurf] Twinskins
>
>
> >
> > Brian, Greame,
> >
> > My idea's on inflateables / ram-airs are a bit different. There ARE
more
> > then a few schools that teach using Ram-Airs. I'd say the odds are a
bit
> > like the odds of people buying Ram-Air kites. Most people choose the
> > obvious choice. Buy Nike trainers, since everybody has them. If you
get
> > my point. Modern Ram-Airs offer high stability, high relaunch
> > probability (havent drowned my kites for a single time without being
> > able to relaunch), safety systems that are really above standard,
etc.
> >
> > It's not surprising Flexifoil doesn't recommend any of their
ram-airs
> > for kitesurfing, simply because all of the Flexifoil ram-air kites
are
> > open celled (and i think you as a kite-vendor should know that
Brian).
> > But if you'd check out the Flysurfer.de or Peter Lynn Kiteboarding
> > brochure for instance you'd see that they recommend ALL but a few
models
> > for water use! Flysurfer.de and Peter Lynn Kiteboarding produce
closed
> > cell kites for water use.
> >
> > Open celled kites aren't for water use! Period!
> >
> > Nevertheless there's plenty of Ram-Air kites around that are just as
> > stable as inflateables. Not in all conditions (say 35+ knots, since
> > tubes offer rigidity trough the inflated leading edge tube) but most
> > certainly in more then 95% of the conditions you'd come across...
> >
> > Personally i'd highly recommend you'd try ANY kite you'd find
> > interesting (which includes a Naish Boxer too, Brian would be glad
to
> > demo you one, since he's Naish dealer!) before you make the
purchase.
> >
> > Of course this is just my 2 cents.
> >
> > _________________
> > Have fun!
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > Happy kiting, whatever you fly!
> > foilzone.com foils.nl
> >
> >
> > Foilzone.com
> > The Hague
> > The Netherlands
>
>
>
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--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "mx5alan" <aj902pi@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, rogerramjet2021 <no_reply@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > The problem is this: I actually get a real fever! Not before
kiting
> > but about 2-3 hours after I stopped.
>
> > What I would really (really!) want to know from the readers of
this
> > group is whether anyone has ever had similar problems. That would
> > probably really help in finding a solution.

as posted - Message # 68957...

??? rogerramjet2021 ~ Any feedback from my reply to your request for
help ???

Mark and Brian seem to be able to arm wrestle without breaking bottles over each
other's
head.  Good'O.

My advice:  BUY ANYTHING.  Simply the first step is getting wet and wild.  Don't
worry
about 'what' - you'll buy something else next season anyway..or beach the whole
kit 'cause
it scared the s___t out of you.


Jim

Thanks all, I found your answers to my twinskin question very helpful.  I've
taken it on board and will see what comes up in future.

Sadly I've just missed out on an Australian eBay Peter Lynn Bomba, sold for
$A766, only used five times, last years model.  I'll probably regret not
bidding higher, but there were several people interested, and the price kept
climbing at the last minute. Damn!

I'll keep hunting...
Graeme
Sydney, Australia

I'm freezing my buns off in The Gorge AND no snow on the mountain for
snowboarding!  I just started to learn kiting (windsurf 15yrs) last
summer and it's all I can think about.
I want to go somewhere warm for a 10 day or so "tune up". I need wind,
sand, and well, that's it.

Where can a brother from the north go to get for sure wind. Cabarete
is my first choice. Night fun and almost for sure wind.  I'm from Hood
River, Cabarete is our supposed "sister" city.

Please hook a brother up..
Jim

In a message dated 1/25/2005 7:26:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
flkitesurfer@... writes:
The leading edge of the cold front arrived at about 9:30 am, it rained for
less than a minute and the wind spiked to 27 to 30 mph +. It changed
direction from west to northwest from observations at the beach. All four
guys were almost instantly lofted while riding in the shallow waters of the
sound inside the sand bar. Some tried to keep their kites low to the water
and succeeded in having their boards ripped away and body dragging across
the water at about 25 mph out of control. Other guys were popped to about 20
ft. off the water and falling back into a couple of feet of water.

(continued ...)

Lots more info, figures, etc. at:
By golly that sounds like a wonderful show! Anybody get a video of this?
I would love to have been their to shoot the video!

In fact I think that is a good idea - interview the 'an idiot' in charge and
catch him/her being stupid about the upcoming danger AND then taping it for
posterity & FUN! -
could even get paid for the video by local News or TV Show.

(kinda like watching wrecks at the Daytona 500 ! Why else do people go to the
Track?)

Maybe by shooting video, they might get the idea in time --- nah.
cruel, heartless, uncaring, cynical, bad blah blah
Florida Rocks in the Winter !


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cabarete will certainly be warm look at windsofcabarete.com for weather
stats.

-----Original Message-----
From: vela2scuba [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 26 January 2005 03:50
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurf] Best Place to go in Feb-Mar Hook a bro up!!




I'm freezing my buns off in The Gorge AND no snow on the mountain for
snowboarding!  I just started to learn kiting (windsurf 15yrs) last
summer and it's all I can think about.
I want to go somewhere warm for a 10 day or so "tune up". I need wind,
sand, and well, that's it.

Where can a brother from the north go to get for sure wind. Cabarete
is my first choice. Night fun and almost for sure wind.  I'm from Hood
River, Cabarete is our supposed "sister" city.

Please hook a brother up..
Jim





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There is more to kiteboarding than rigging, riding and throwing
tricks.  A critical area is weather, what is forecast, what is going
off now and what is heading in.  Some ideas on one approach dealing
with kiteboarding and cold fronts with emphasis on the SE USA, appear
below.  What do you use and how does it work?

Some of this may apply to other areas then again there is a whole
world of variable weather out there.  You still may get caught and
slammed, as can always happen if you have a traction kite up, but it
should reduce the odds of a predicted event getting the better of you.
  There are similar sites and resources in other parts of the world.
Learn what is available and reliable in your area.

1.  Check forecasts on http://nws.noaa.gov/ for your area.

Are they going to change, is there a hazardous weather warning, be
sure to check the marine forecast if you are in marine waters. What
are temperatures likely to be?  It may be fine now but do you need to
be in a 4/3 mm wetsuit later on today?    Read the weather analysis to
better understand what is bringing the wind in the first place.


2.  Checkout the Sat. imagery at:  http://nws.noaa.gov/sat_tab.php

Some nice animated, color enhanced Sat. images appear at:
http://weather.sun-sentinel.com/tropical/ for Florida and the Caribbean
and at the following link for the rest of the USA:
http://weather.sun-sentinel.com/maps.asp?Region=SE

Be sure to use the loop function to get a feeling for movement and
obvious development.  Click in on your area to get a better picture of
local activity.  Is there a line of clouds at the leading edge of the
front or no?


3.  Checkout color radar to look for CURRENT storm cells and direction
of travel of clouds at:  http://nws.noaa.gov/radar_tab.php

Be sure to scope out your area and areas up stream through which the
cold front is moving.  See some bright colored stuff?  Is it fairly
narrow at the leading edge of the front or is it all over?  Avoid the
brightly colored stuff as it can represent violent storms.  The green
stuff can also punch out some gusts to, enough to loft you so don't
get complacent about that color either.  Remember, JUST because you
don't see storm indications when you're on the computer, doesn't mean
that they won't develop later on in the day.  Know what to look for in
the way of weather signs and stay aware before launch up to when you
land and secure.

Most of the time sudden wind comes with some form of visible weather,
clouds, etc..  There are less common cases, around here anyway, where
the wind strikes out of the clear blue, literally.  Learn about your
local weather extremes, this is an important homework assignment.
Relate what you are seeing to what appears on the Sat. image.


4.  Checkout realtime winds at:  http://www.ikitesurf.com/

Look over your area and those areas that are under the front already.
  Look at the individual wind records for stations to see if there are
some strong gust spikes and direction changes such as shown above.  If
there are also violent direction changes and gust spikes note that as
well.  Try to relate these unstable winds to what you saw in the Sat.
and radar images.  Are you dealing with a narrow strip of unstable
weather with a wet front or is it more of a sudden boost in wind with
a dry front?


5.   While you're at the beach, keep your eyes open for signs of the
onset of frontal winds. ALWAYS be aware of the wind, clouds, white
caps, direction, gusts, etc., regardless of season.  It will help you
to get the better rides and perhaps avoid a bad go to.

It is best to AVOID having a kite up during the onset of a front with
associated change in winds.  Of course not all fronts are kick butt,
so what kind do you KNOW FOR A FACT you have moving in?  Who knows for
sure, it is best to err on the side of caution.  If you see signs of a
front coming, advancing white water, cloud masses, a ripple line, etc.
  It might be good to land and secure until it is past.  Of course with
ripple and white water lines, by the time you see them you may have
less than few minutes before the winds spike.  ALSO, you may need to
RIG DOWN to be able to ride once and if the frontal winds spike up.
You don't want to have too large a kite up as the four guys did at the
start of this post when the wind jumps up.

Check this stuff before you ride, always.  Learn to relate what you
saw online vs. what developed at the beach.


If you want to get a better idea of things also checkout the weather
maps at:  http://nws.noaa.gov/outlook_tab.php

Sounds complicated?  Not really, you can blast through the steps
listed above fairly rapidly.  Too complex, well most riders I know are
wind junkies and knowing what brings the blow stuff is just another
part of the obsession.  So why not dive in and get a handle on what
brings the joy and the dodgy bits that need to be avoided.

Get plugged into weather where you ride.  You will be glad you did.
Being able to predict when the winds will turn on with a coming front
is a very good thing.  It sure beats wind waiting all day at the beach.

There is a lot to know to kiteboard, some of the stuff listed above is
just part of it.


Some more info on fronts appears at:
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/wwhlpr/front_hyd.rxml?hret=/guides/mtr/cld/cld\
typ/home.rxml&prv=1

http://ravel.esrin.esa.it/docs/edumsg_en_05.pdf

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Iossi" <flkitesurfer@h...> wrote:
> "A powerful cold front was predicted to move into Southern Florida
bringing
> strong winds 30 to 35 mph out of the Northwest yesterday, (Sunday,
Jan. 23,
> 2005).
>
> (figure omitted)
>
> Lots of riders had been following the forecast for several days in
advance.
> An experienced rider had just arrived at the beach at about 9:00 am.
The
> launch was on the west coast of Florida. He noticed a line of black
clouds
> moving in from the NW. He assumed that this was the leading edge of
the long
> awaited cold front. He noticed four young guys out on the water ranging
> approximately 15 to 18 years old, on 12 to 15 m kites with a max.
weight of
> about 150 lbs. They guys were out in approximate 12 mph winds, in sunny
> conditions and were somewhat underpowered.
>
> The experienced rider walked up to another guy on the beach who
apparently
> knew the riders on the water. He pointed out the black menacing
cloud line
> moving in and suggested that he call his friends into shore to
land/secure
> their kites. The guy blew off the warning, saying "they're good
riders, they
> can handle it."
>
> (figure omitted)
>
> The leading edge of the cold front arrived at about 9:30 am, it
rained for
> less than a minute and the wind spiked to 27 to 30 mph +. It changed
> direction from west to northwest from observations at the beach. All
four
> guys were almost instantly lofted while riding in the shallow waters
of the
> sound inside the sand bar. Some tried to keep their kites low to the
water
> and succeeded in having their boards ripped away and body dragging
across
> the water at about 25 mph out of control. Other guys were popped to
about 20
> ft. off the water and falling back into a couple of feet of water.
>
> (continued ...)
>
> Lots more info, figures, etc. at:
>
> http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2312199
>
>
>
> FKA, Inc.
>
> transcribed by:
>
> Rick Iossi
> http://www.fksa.org/

hi there,

i was lucky enough to pick up a 2003 liquid force
truth board a while back at a great price. i have to
say the board rides great, it edges well and is quite
easy to slide. i use it in the waves too and it seems
o.k. there too. it took a while to set the footplates
up on the right stance for me but now its a beauty. i
think the truth is based on a jimmy lewis design, or
was originally. its certainly a great intermediate
board for me, if a little heavier than the newer
boards. its very well made though with sick graphics.
a genuine bargain!

--- eaw5699 <eaw5699@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hey All,
>
> Liked all the good discussion about the ram kites.
> I am also a
> beginner kitesurfer (my first season), and I wanted
> to start semi-
> economically.  I especially wanted to look at all
> the closeout deals
> happening now, and take advantage of the '04 models.
>  Has anybody had
> any experience with the Liquid Force boards,
> specifically the Truth
> and Lithium?  I know they make decent wakeboards, I
> just haven't
> heard much input about their kiteboards.  Being
> around 5'10" and 155
> lb I am leaning towards a 150 sized board around
> $300.  Also, has
> anyone had any success with buying some gear on
> Ebay?  I heard that
> there were some issues with some sellers, but has
> anybody used the
> guy whose store is named 'FestiveandFun'?  Thanks
> for the advice.
>
> Erik
>
>
>
>
>
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There has been a lot going on the Net involving kiteboarding and at the FKA
site including:


Claudio Silva's severe kiteboarding injury and the amazing outpouring of
support worldwide for our fellow rider.  Details at:
http://www.fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=441
and
http://www.fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=472



Luco's Benefit Cookout was AMAZING!  Checkout the surreal party photos at:
http://www.fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=474



Well the wind is ON in the forecast, 20 to 25 kts. TOMORROW, the first day
of the Jupiter Kite Invasion!!!  Details at:
http://www.fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=446



Four Riders learned what a powerful cold front can deliver in NO TIME at all
and how much trouble you can get into by being rigged too big.  More at:
http://www.fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=477




A COOKBOOK of one set of ideas for cold front weather planning for
kiteboarders appears at:
http://www.fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=479



A BIG EVENT is coming to Cabarete in March, the Cabarete Kite Show and
promises to be the LARGEST kite show of its type in the WORLD, more at:
http://www.fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=480



The CLASSIC Florida Kiteboarding Competition is coming back at you for the
FOURTH YEAR RUNNING, none other than the Islamorada Invitational 2005!!!
For more checkout:  http://www.fksa.org/viewtopic.php?t=467



There is even MORE news, ideas, gear for sale, wanted, services etc. etc. on
the FKA site at:  http://www.fksa.org/

It's  your site so USE IT!!!



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-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  Kitexcite Newsletter
Date:  Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:09:12 -0400
From:  Kitexcite <info@...>
Reply-To:  Kitexcite <info@...>
To:  <hungvu2000@...>



LAUNCH OF EXTREME HOTEL AT KITEXCITE MAR. 12-18

Kitexcite is excited to be involved in the Grand Opening Event for the Extreme
Hotel at our Kitexcite Center, Cabarete location. This event will bring together
athletes from different watersports to cross train and all enjoy the winds and
parties of Cabarete for a week.

The Ring Media in Calif. is promoting the event in magazines and has industry
professionals lined up including Chuck Patterson, Bri Chmel, Jason Slezak and
Kevin "Top Hat" Senn, with more to come...
To round out the eXtreme experience, the hotel has also built a below ground pro
skateboard ramp, "Six Feet Under."

If you'd like to come down and join us for this event or promote your latest
gear, contact us and we can help arrange discount travel & accommodations. Hope
to see you on the beach!


KiteForum's 2nd Int'l Kite Testival in Cabarete Mar. 31-Apr. 3

Come join Kitexcite in Cabarete for the 2nd Annual Kiteboarding Testival, March
31-April 3. Organized by Kiteforum.com, the most respected kiteboarding forum in
the world with 7,500+ members, this year's event will be conveniently located in
one of the hot beds of the kite world, Kite Beach Cabarete. The DR has grown
tremendously as a kiting destination - along with being a great island for
surfing, windsurfing and other action sports.

The promotion for this event is reaching across all media and will prove to be a
great opportunity for us to promote your 2005 gear. All of the schools on Kite
Beach have agreed to stop teaching at noon for the kite show so that riders will
have plenty of space to test all the newest gear.

Kitexcite's prime location on Kite Beach at the new Extreme Hotel is going to be
the center of the week's activities and parties. We'd like you to be a part of
this event and can arrange accommodations and air travel to POP. We will be
adding a special Testival page to our website to let all clients and vendors
know about it.
Hope to see you on the beach!

All the best from windy Cabarete!
      Stefan, owner Kitexcite 914-9745   stefan@...


Full Service Kitesurfing Center - Lessons - Rentals - Sales - Lodging -
Cabarete, Dominican Republic

Tel. Office: 809.571.9509 | Beach: 809.571.9732 | Cell (Stefan): 809.914.9745 |
Skype: kitexcite-office




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Great post. Right on the money on the Flysurfer and  Slingshot 3.0 I love
both those kites. Has anyone tried the Extacy from  Flysurfer yet? Any opinions
on the skill level needed.

Tom Holloman
A 17 year old with 41 years of  practice.


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Welcome and live with the legend...

Has anyone tried these kites?  They look very good with plenty of depower and
an interesting description on the relationship between lift and drag and how
that compares to an inflatable.  His kites are pretty unique in that they have
zippers perpendicular to the leading edge.  There are 2 pairs of zippers that
you can close to change the size of the kite.  So one kite is a 9,11 and 13
at the same time.

Anyway, I would love to hear about any first hand experience.
George


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Hello everyone,


My name is Marco and I am living in Brasil. I'm living in a small town
called Icarai, which is about 25 km from Fortaleza airport, and right
next to Cumbuco, of which u might have heard. For those of u who would
like te visit Cumbuco, one of the nicest places to be and to practise
your exciting sport I am offering u to rent my appartement which is
about to be ready between now and two weeks. It's small but only
fifteen seconds walk from the beach and in the heart of Cumbuco. I
will be putting pictures shortly but just wanted to let u know that
there is a new, cheap, comfortable 2/3 persons appartement out for
rent. Just let me know when you're arriving.

Please send a e-mail to the adress as shown above (marcojq@...)

Kind regards


Marco

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  Kitesurfing Late Deals & Mexico Kite Festival
Date:  Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:00:47 -0800
From:  adventuresportsholidays.com
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Reply-To:  <42350-feedback-14@...>
To:  List Member <Kite@...>



To view our latest kitesurfing late deals and details of the forthcoming Kite
Festival in Playa del Carmen, Mexico check out our latest newsletter:
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