Hello,  These kites are now for sale on ebay.  The auction expires
today. Search for Slingshot GTO and you will find them if interested.


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> Never even taken out of the bag. $675 + shipping.
>
> John Gamble. Madison, WI USA
>
> 608-231-8794

Go here ;)
http://www.kite-surf.com/userreviews/index.php?&NavID=1

Robin
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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:52 PM
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurf] 2004 buyers guide

Does anyone have a link to a 2004 kite and board buyers guide. I want to get
an opinion on a few kites.

thanks


Larry




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In a message dated 8/31/2004 6:07:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
flkitesurfer@... writes:

How  about kiting through Fantasy Fest a local Mardi Gras, on
Bone Island or  Cayo Hueso ( Key West), FL, USA next month?

Rick - that is a FUN Party. Hate to mention the party crasher,  Francis.
I hope it's still their after Hurricane Francis exacts a visit. Maybe  it
won't go so
South - but that means worse for the chad counters of Broward County or  the
revelers of Miami Beach. It'll be hard to party after such a  disaster.
We're all praying you folks in Florida don't have it as bad as it  looks.

We're supposed to have THE BIG ONE (Earthquake) Sept 5th according
to a UCLA 'Professor', here in So Cal.

Scott



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>Could be a combination of bigger waves pushing the board forward
>faster and more constant wind  in the ocean making youre body
>draging more efficient ...Just a guess :)Thanks for making my
>kiteboarding a little easier back in tha days......
>
>
>
These 2 reasons sound very reasonable and probably the main causes for
the phenomenon I experienced.

Hung.

Hi guys
Am looking in for recommendation of a good school to take a break
mid / late sept.looking for best place in the med near by. (Not
Feurteventura - as did a week in May they can't fit me in until late
Oct)
What is Sardinia like? or Tarifa? or anywhere?


Gavin

Did you try Flag Beach http://www.flagbeach.com in Corralejo, Feurteventura?
they are first class.


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Brian

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Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:14 PM
Subject: [ksurf] Best School


> Hi guys
> Am looking in for recommendation of a good school to take a break
> mid / late sept.looking for best place in the med near by. (Not
> Feurteventura - as did a week in May they can't fit me in until late
> Oct)
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Is there a group dedicated for boat (more than 2 persons) kite sailing ?

Having seen a picture of Don's 100m2 LEI on a large cat and I started
getting interested in boat kite sailing.

P.S., Dave and Peter have been trying kitesailing in the past but
kiteship.com is more or less trying to replace the spinnaker.  Don's
venture with the 100m2 LEI is quite different.

Hung.

Funny, I was looking for the same thing. You could try Egypt, maybe
Hurghada - I went there last year in early December and the weather was
sunny/warm although the wind wasn't fantastic- Colona watersports is pretty
good and wind may be stronger in September. Hurghada itself is a bit of a
mess  - although if you stay in a decent hotel like the Hilton its not so
bad.

There's a school in Cyprus - SurfCyprus - swapped some emails with them and
they say that they get something like 60% of days in Sept with force 3+. The
resort is called Pissouri - the only thing is it looks REALLY quiet - not
something you necessarily want if you're a single bloke looking for some
action!

Been windsurfing to quite a few resorts in Greece & Turkey that get the
Meltemi wind - but can't find a kitesurf school. There are places that get
cross/on-shore Meltemi - in which case maybe spend the money on kit and take
it with you. Who needs lessons when the worse that can happen is that you
get blown back into shore!


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Subject: [ksurf] Best School


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> mid / late sept.looking for best place in the med near by. (Not
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Where did you see this Hung ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hung Vu [mailto:hungvu2000@...]
Sent: sexta-feira, 3 de setembro de 2004 14:36
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com; ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ksurf] Kitesailing or kiteboating group ?

Is there a group dedicated for boat (more than 2 persons) kite sailing ?

Having seen a picture of Don's 100m2 LEI on a large cat and I started
getting interested in boat kite sailing.

P.S., Dave and Peter have been trying kitesailing in the past but
kiteship.com is more or less trying to replace the spinnaker.  Don's venture
with the 100m2 LEI is quite different.

Hung.



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I'm interested, too, Hung. Their web site talks about 30 meters, and
I heard about some (unsuccessful) trials with a 50 meter, but you've
seen 100 meter LEI's? What sort of wind were they carrying it in? How
did they manage the launch, etc?

Great news, if they've pulled it off. Anyone heard more about Peter
Lynn's newest kiteboat (not the surfboard thing, but his new kite
powered catamaran?)

Dave



>Where did you see this Hung ?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hung Vu [mailto:hungvu2000@...]
>Sent: sexta-feira, 3 de setembro de 2004 14:36
>To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com; ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ksurf] Kitesailing or kiteboating group ?
>
>Is there a group dedicated for boat (more than 2 persons) kite sailing ?
>
>Having seen a picture of Don's 100m2 LEI on a large cat and I started
>getting interested in boat kite sailing.
>
>P.S., Dave and Peter have been trying kitesailing in the past but
>kiteship.com is more or less trying to replace the spinnaker.  Don's venture
>with the 100m2 LEI is quite different.
>
>Hung.
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In the August/September issue of Kiteboarding magazine on page 26 there
is a photo of it pulling a catamaran.  It says for more information to
chaek out www.kiteboat.com but I couldn't find a photo of it there.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
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To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ksurf] Kitesailing or kiteboating group ?

I'm interested, too, Hung. Their web site talks about 30 meters, and
I heard about some (unsuccessful) trials with a 50 meter, but you've
seen 100 meter LEI's? What sort of wind were they carrying it in? How
did they manage the launch, etc?

Great news, if they've pulled it off. Anyone heard more about Peter
Lynn's newest kiteboat (not the surfboard thing, but his new kite
powered catamaran?)

Dave



>Where did you see this Hung ?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hung Vu [mailto:hungvu2000@...]
>Sent: sexta-feira, 3 de setembro de 2004 14:36
>To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com; ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ksurf] Kitesailing or kiteboating group ?
>
>Is there a group dedicated for boat (more than 2 persons) kite sailing
?
>
>Having seen a picture of Don's 100m2 LEI on a large cat and I started
>getting interested in boat kite sailing.
>
>P.S., Dave and Peter have been trying kitesailing in the past but
>kiteship.com is more or less trying to replace the spinnaker.  Don's
venture
>with the 100m2 LEI is quite different.
>
>Hung.
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On 3 Sep 2004, at 21:27, Paul (idiot) Mallett wrote:
>  Who needs lessons when the worse that can happen is that you
> get blown back into shore!
>

Sounds like you do mate.

	 Iain

For pictures of Peter Lynn's new kitecat have a look here:-

http://www.decaykiteboards.co.nz/kite_cat/index.htm

I'm involved in the project in so much as I produce some of the components
for PLK.

For more information including price and deliver anywhere you can contact
Peter thru:

www.peterlynnkites.com

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Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2004 10:56 a.m.
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ksurf] Kitesailing or kiteboating group ?


I'm interested, too, Hung. Their web site talks about 30 meters, and
I heard about some (unsuccessful) trials with a 50 meter, but you've
seen 100 meter LEI's? What sort of wind were they carrying it in? How
did they manage the launch, etc?

Great news, if they've pulled it off. Anyone heard more about Peter
Lynn's newest kiteboat (not the surfboard thing, but his new kite
powered catamaran?)

Dave



>Where did you see this Hung ?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hung Vu [mailto:hungvu2000@...]
>Sent: sexta-feira, 3 de setembro de 2004 14:36
>To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com; ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ksurf] Kitesailing or kiteboating group ?
>
>Is there a group dedicated for boat (more than 2 persons) kite sailing ?
>
>Having seen a picture of Don's 100m2 LEI on a large cat and I started
>getting interested in boat kite sailing.
>
>P.S., Dave and Peter have been trying kitesailing in the past but
>kiteship.com is more or less trying to replace the spinnaker.  Don's
venture
>with the 100m2 LEI is quite different.
>
>Hung.
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On 4 Sep 2004, at 00:10, Iain Wood wrote:

>
> On 3 Sep 2004, at 21:27, Paul (idiot) Mallett wrote:
>>  Who needs lessons when the worse that can happen is that you
>> get blown back into shore!
>>
>
> Sounds like you do mate.
>
>  Iain
>
>

On second thoughts, I apologise, that was a little hasty of me. Please
do some background research. Find out about lofting, safe launch sites,
basic kite control, read about a few kitemares etc.

Its ALWAYS best to get some lessons first. Going it alone is dangerous.
It's up to you what personal risks you take, but please bear in mind
that your mistakes may contribute to bans and restrictions for the rest
of us.

be safe

	 Iain

Peter's cat is more like a "water buggy".  Why should one use a "water
buggy" instead of a small or large kiteboard ??? On the other hand, a
tandem water buggy may be useful in teaching the beginner about
kitesailing before kitesurfing ...

"Don's 100m2 LEI and a big cat with a crew of half a dozen" is more
like kiteship or kiteboat.

The pictures were taken by Erik Aeder and article written by Tom James
in the Aug-Sept Kiteboarding magazine.

Don claims that he can water relaunch the "beast" with a 5th line...

P.S., What happens to Peter's original water buggy that he used at
Adelaide in 1999 (I like that one better) ?

Hung.

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Decay" <decay@i...> wrote:
> For pictures of Peter Lynn's new kitecat have a look here:-
>
> http://www.decaykiteboards.co.nz/kite_cat/index.htm
>
> I'm involved in the project in so much as I produce some of the
components
> for PLK.
>
> For more information including price and deliver anywhere you can
contact
> Peter thru:
>
> www.peterlynnkites.com
>
> Dave Kay
> www.decaykiteboards.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave@k... [mailto:dave@k...]
> Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2004 10:56 a.m.
> To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ksurf] Kitesailing or kiteboating group ?
>
>
> I'm interested, too, Hung. Their web site talks about 30 meters, and
> I heard about some (unsuccessful) trials with a 50 meter, but you've
> seen 100 meter LEI's? What sort of wind were they carrying it in? How
> did they manage the launch, etc?
>
> Great news, if they've pulled it off. Anyone heard more about Peter
> Lynn's newest kiteboat (not the surfboard thing, but his new kite
> powered catamaran?)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> >Where did you see this Hung ?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Hung Vu [mailto:hungvu2000@r...]
> >Sent: sexta-feira, 3 de setembro de 2004 14:36
> >To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com; ksurfschool@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [ksurf] Kitesailing or kiteboating group ?
> >
> >Is there a group dedicated for boat (more than 2 persons) kite
sailing ?
> >
> >Having seen a picture of Don's 100m2 LEI on a large cat and I started
> >getting interested in boat kite sailing.
> >
> >P.S., Dave and Peter have been trying kitesailing in the past but
> >kiteship.com is more or less trying to replace the spinnaker.  Don's
> venture
> >with the 100m2 LEI is quite different.
> >
> >Hung.
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>P.S., What happens to Peter's original water buggy that he used at
>Adelaide in 1999 (I like that one better) ?
>
>Hung.


Hung - Peter has been working on kiteboats for over 10 years - and most all
of the prototypes are lying in and around his workshop in Ashburton.

This new cat is in limited production - the hulls are moulded fibreglass -
not one off foam/glass construction like the early designs.

Dave Kay
www.decaykiteboards.com

In the past, almost everyone considered kiting as a dangerous sport
(probably due to not sufficient data nor awareness)

Similarly, We did the same on http://kitesurfingschool.org and paid
quite a bit of attention on safety.

The combined effort of many kiters and manufacturers seems pay off
nicely as most kiters and manufacturers is now aware of the safety
issues of kiting and works on improving the safety of the sport.

While labeling kiting as a "dangerous sport" helps kiters to be aware of
the safety issues, it also create an "extreme", "rebellious" image of
the sport.  This "extreme", "rebellious" image of the sport may have
been used by some local authority as an argument to ban kiting at some
locations.

The reality is that kiting can be a very safe sport compared to the
others.  Locally, We have been kiting around here since 1998 and until
now haven't had a single serious accidents compare to snowboarding which
had quite a few accidents in its first few years of introduction to the
local scence. (last March, a snowboarding instructors hit me in the back
while I was snowboarding with my son and I had to stay in bed for 3 weeks)

Kiting has been mature so much now with a networks of schools across the
globe and online information such as kitesurfingschool.org that can
guide newbies through the safety issues of the sport.

We will continue to spread the awareness and work on improving the
safety issues but the information is fairly readily available now at
schools and online sites.  Maybe it's time to drop the "dangerous sport"
label for kiting?

Maybe it's time to use the following phrase to describe kiting safety:
"Kiting is a reasonable safe sport as long as one follows proper safety
guidelines ..."

Hung.

"Who needs lessons when the worse that can happen is that you
get blown back into shore!"

I thought the same, the worst that can happen is you kill an innocent
bystander and or yourself getting dragged onshore out of control!

The lesson comment was probably fair :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Iain Wood [mailto:d.i.wood@...]
Sent: 04 September 2004 00:29
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Best School



On 4 Sep 2004, at 00:10, Iain Wood wrote:

>
> On 3 Sep 2004, at 21:27, Paul (idiot) Mallett wrote:
>>  Who needs lessons when the worse that can happen is that you
>> get blown back into shore!
>>
>
> Sounds like you do mate.
>
>  Iain
>
>

On second thoughts, I apologise, that was a little hasty of me. Please
do some background research. Find out about lofting, safe launch sites,
basic kite control, read about a few kitemares etc.

Its ALWAYS best to get some lessons first. Going it alone is dangerous.
It's up to you what personal risks you take, but please bear in mind
that your mistakes may contribute to bans and restrictions for the rest
of us.

be safe

	 Iain



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>Peter's cat is more like a "water buggy".  Why should one use a "water
>buggy" instead of a small or large kiteboard ???

Easier to fly, potentially faster (Lynn's kiteboat has sailed faster than any
lynn-powered kiteboard, to date. Who knows how fast they will be when
there are more than a couple in the water?), drier, less athletic are
a few. There are many more kitefliers than the ones you meet on a
kitesurf beach. Top buggy speeds are above 70 mph. Nearly 20 years
ago we were kite boating at speeds attainable only by the fastest
boarders today--with old technology, obsolete kites  and ancient
materials. (We used to fly on *dacron* flying lines, folks)

>"Don's 100m2 LEI and a big cat with a crew of half a dozen" is more
>like kiteship or kiteboat.
>
>The pictures were taken by Erik Aeder and article written by Tom James
>in the Aug-Sept Kiteboarding magazine.

I look forward to reading the article. Hung, you seem to have
narrowed the definition of "kiteboat" to a single boat. If you feel
that Lynn cats are too small, and KiteShip kites are too
"specialized", I guess that only leaves Don's newest work within your
definition.

To the best of my knowledge, there simply are no other kite powered
boats using kites larger than 30 meters (the Lynn boats fly with
12-24 meters; all "beach cat" conversions use standard LEI's. Even
the German Sky-Sail guys are currently experimenting with kites
smaller than the ones used on Lynn boats). So, we have a single guy,
according to a single article, building "kiteboats??"

Does this boat really need its own discussion list? Perhaps right
here in Kitesurf is the best place for such a limited discussion.

FWIW, in addition to myself (27 years in kite boats; we currently
have a 420 sq meter OutLeader kite in build) there are a dozen of so
other kite powered boat projects ongoing throughout the world; plus
many dozen current beach catamaran conversion projects.

Cheers,

Dave Culp

Did you read the original question? He's already been on at least one course
of a week (in Fuerte) after which he should have had safety drummed into
him. What he probably needs most of is more water time but obviously he's
got to be careful about wind direction without safety cover.... Probably
better off heading down to his local beach and chatting to a few of the
regulars and then buying some kit rather than shelling out £300+ for another
course. And no, I DONT need more lessons - I DO need more time on the water
somewhere uncrowded  with winds that dont mean someone end up ringing the
coastguard to fish me out.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Wood" <d.i.wood@...>
To: <kitesurf@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Best School


>
> On 3 Sep 2004, at 21:27, Paul (idiot) Mallett wrote:
> >  Who needs lessons when the worse that can happen is that you
> > get blown back into shore!
> >
>
> Sounds like you do mate.
>
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Dave,

You have excited me in the past with all of your efforts in
kitesailing but kiteship.com and the Outleader simply to replace the
spinnaker was a bit of disappointement (for me) ...

Don's venture (if it's true) excited me like no others have done in
the past.

P.S., If you want to expand the scope of kitesailing then I was
"kiteboating" 35 years ago on a large basket sailing across a pond
(small lake) with a single line kite.

Hung.

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, dave@k... wrote:
> >Peter's cat is more like a "water buggy".  Why should one use a "water
> >buggy" instead of a small or large kiteboard ???
>
> Easier to fly, potentially faster (Lynn's kiteboat has sailed faster
than any
> lynn-powered kiteboard, to date. Who knows how fast they will be when
> there are more than a couple in the water?), drier, less athletic are
> a few. There are many more kitefliers than the ones you meet on a
> kitesurf beach. Top buggy speeds are above 70 mph. Nearly 20 years
> ago we were kite boating at speeds attainable only by the fastest
> boarders today--with old technology, obsolete kites  and ancient
> materials. (We used to fly on *dacron* flying lines, folks)
>
> >"Don's 100m2 LEI and a big cat with a crew of half a dozen" is more
> >like kiteship or kiteboat.
> >
> >The pictures were taken by Erik Aeder and article written by Tom James
> >in the Aug-Sept Kiteboarding magazine.
>
> I look forward to reading the article. Hung, you seem to have
> narrowed the definition of "kiteboat" to a single boat. If you feel
> that Lynn cats are too small, and KiteShip kites are too
> "specialized", I guess that only leaves Don's newest work within your
> definition.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, there simply are no other kite powered
> boats using kites larger than 30 meters (the Lynn boats fly with
> 12-24 meters; all "beach cat" conversions use standard LEI's. Even
> the German Sky-Sail guys are currently experimenting with kites
> smaller than the ones used on Lynn boats). So, we have a single guy,
> according to a single article, building "kiteboats??"
>
> Does this boat really need its own discussion list? Perhaps right
> here in Kitesurf is the best place for such a limited discussion.
>
> FWIW, in addition to myself (27 years in kite boats; we currently
> have a 420 sq meter OutLeader kite in build) there are a dozen of so
> other kite powered boat projects ongoing throughout the world; plus
> many dozen current beach catamaran conversion projects.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Culp

Who's kiteboasting when, where, how I wanna kite boast.

OH YOU MEAN KITEBOATING.....

wHERE, WHO ,HOW????? eVERyONE Was kung fu figh......ting.... who,
how ,where, how long ago.... kung fu figh..........ting

tOdD

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "hungvuatnetcomdotca"
<hungvu2000@r...> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> You have excited me in the past with all of your efforts in
> kitesailing but kiteship.com and the Outleader simply to replace the
> spinnaker was a bit of disappointement (for me) ...
>
> Don's venture (if it's true) excited me like no others have done in
> the past.
>
> P.S., If you want to expand the scope of kitesailing then I was
> "kiteboating" 35 years ago on a large basket sailing across a pond
> (small lake) with a single line kite.
>
> Hung.
>
> --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, dave@k... wrote:
> > >Peter's cat is more like a "water buggy".  Why should one use
a "water
> > >buggy" instead of a small or large kiteboard ???
> >
> > Easier to fly, potentially faster (Lynn's kiteboat has sailed
faster
> than any
> > lynn-powered kiteboard, to date. Who knows how fast they will be
when
> > there are more than a couple in the water?), drier, less athletic
are
> > a few. There are many more kitefliers than the ones you meet on a
> > kitesurf beach. Top buggy speeds are above 70 mph. Nearly 20
years
> > ago we were kite boating at speeds attainable only by the fastest
> > boarders today--with old technology, obsolete kites  and ancient
> > materials. (We used to fly on *dacron* flying lines, folks)
> >
> > >"Don's 100m2 LEI and a big cat with a crew of half a dozen" is
more
> > >like kiteship or kiteboat.
> > >
> > >The pictures were taken by Erik Aeder and article written by Tom
James
> > >in the Aug-Sept Kiteboarding magazine.
> >
> > I look forward to reading the article. Hung, you seem to have
> > narrowed the definition of "kiteboat" to a single boat. If you
feel
> > that Lynn cats are too small, and KiteShip kites are too
> > "specialized", I guess that only leaves Don's newest work within
your
> > definition.
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, there simply are no other kite
powered
> > boats using kites larger than 30 meters (the Lynn boats fly with
> > 12-24 meters; all "beach cat" conversions use standard LEI's.
Even
> > the German Sky-Sail guys are currently experimenting with kites
> > smaller than the ones used on Lynn boats). So, we have a single
guy,
> > according to a single article, building "kiteboats??"
> >
> > Does this boat really need its own discussion list? Perhaps right
> > here in Kitesurf is the best place for such a limited discussion.
> >
> > FWIW, in addition to myself (27 years in kite boats; we currently
> > have a 420 sq meter OutLeader kite in build) there are a dozen of
so
> > other kite powered boat projects ongoing throughout the world;
plus
> > many dozen current beach catamaran conversion projects.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave Culp

Shut up tOdD...

P.S., On the other hand, keep on posting as this group is dieing
compared to kiteforum.com ;-)

Hung.

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "bitme1234" <bitme1234@y...> wrote:
> Who's kiteboasting when, where, how I wanna kite boast.
>
> OH YOU MEAN KITEBOATING.....
>
> wHERE, WHO ,HOW????? eVERyONE Was kung fu figh......ting.... who,
> how ,where, how long ago.... kung fu figh..........ting
>
> tOdD
>
> --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "hungvuatnetcomdotca"
> <hungvu2000@r...> wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > You have excited me in the past with all of your efforts in
> > kitesailing but kiteship.com and the Outleader simply to replace the
> > spinnaker was a bit of disappointement (for me) ...
> >
> > Don's venture (if it's true) excited me like no others have done in
> > the past.
> >
> > P.S., If you want to expand the scope of kitesailing then I was
> > "kiteboating" 35 years ago on a large basket sailing across a pond
> > (small lake) with a single line kite.
> >
> > Hung.
> >
> > --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, dave@k... wrote:
> > > >Peter's cat is more like a "water buggy".  Why should one use
> a "water
> > > >buggy" instead of a small or large kiteboard ???
> > >
> > > Easier to fly, potentially faster (Lynn's kiteboat has sailed
> faster
> > than any
> > > lynn-powered kiteboard, to date. Who knows how fast they will be
> when
> > > there are more than a couple in the water?), drier, less athletic
> are
> > > a few. There are many more kitefliers than the ones you meet on a
> > > kitesurf beach. Top buggy speeds are above 70 mph. Nearly 20
> years
> > > ago we were kite boating at speeds attainable only by the fastest
> > > boarders today--with old technology, obsolete kites  and ancient
> > > materials. (We used to fly on *dacron* flying lines, folks)
> > >
> > > >"Don's 100m2 LEI and a big cat with a crew of half a dozen" is
> more
> > > >like kiteship or kiteboat.
> > > >
> > > >The pictures were taken by Erik Aeder and article written by Tom
> James
> > > >in the Aug-Sept Kiteboarding magazine.
> > >
> > > I look forward to reading the article. Hung, you seem to have
> > > narrowed the definition of "kiteboat" to a single boat. If you
> feel
> > > that Lynn cats are too small, and KiteShip kites are too
> > > "specialized", I guess that only leaves Don's newest work within
> your
> > > definition.
> > >
> > > To the best of my knowledge, there simply are no other kite
> powered
> > > boats using kites larger than 30 meters (the Lynn boats fly with
> > > 12-24 meters; all "beach cat" conversions use standard LEI's.
> Even
> > > the German Sky-Sail guys are currently experimenting with kites
> > > smaller than the ones used on Lynn boats). So, we have a single
> guy,
> > > according to a single article, building "kiteboats??"
> > >
> > > Does this boat really need its own discussion list? Perhaps right
> > > here in Kitesurf is the best place for such a limited discussion.
> > >
> > > FWIW, in addition to myself (27 years in kite boats; we currently
> > > have a 420 sq meter OutLeader kite in build) there are a dozen of
> so
> > > other kite powered boat projects ongoing throughout the world;
> plus
> > > many dozen current beach catamaran conversion projects.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Dave Culp

On 4 Sep 2004, at 22:05, Paul (Not an Idiot) Mallett wrote:

> Did you read the original question?

Not well enough.

> He's already been on at least one course
> of a week (in Fuerte) after which he should have had safety drummed
> into
> him. What he probably needs most of is more water time but obviously
> he's
> got to be careful about wind direction without safety cover....

Point taken. I apologise to you Paul. I'm maybe a bit too twitchy on
safety issues..

> Probably
> better off heading down to his local beach and chatting to a few of the
> regulars and then buying some kit rather than shelling out £300+ for
> another course

Talking to the locals sounds like a great idea. There are things that a
school somewhere else cant teach.

> . And no, I DONT need more lessons - I DO need more time on the water
> somewhere uncrowded  with winds that dont mean someone end up ringing
> the
> coastguard to fish me out.
>

Amen! We have prevailing Westerly winds on an East coast :-(


	 Iain

Switching kites are very cumbersome while switching boards is fairly easy.

Recently I start to rig only 1 kite and switch between 2 boards when the
wind varies.

It's effortless to ride back to the beach, grab another board (larger or
smaller) when the wind change and ride out again.

P.S., The 2 boards should be around 1500 to 3000 cm2 smaller/larger in
size to notice differences...

Hung.

Right on Hung Vu figh............ter.... Yah!!!!

Same here switching boards way easier than switching kites but watch
out for the snatch and grab, getup and go ,easy come easy go, freaks
on the beach that will grab gear and walk away as if not a care in
the day. Yes day , Not world!!!! freak.

Also Have foils over taking tubers "the ones not grown in the ground"
12meter tuber vs 12 meter foil HMMMMMMMMMMM . i'M SEEING A STRANGE
CHANGE . SO IF A 12 meter foil is handling as good as a 12 meter
tuber WHY NOT SWITCH TO A 12 METER FOIL with 4sq meter to gain and
more depowering if you feel you need it  mmmmmmmmm how sweeeeeeeet it
is. Think about it if you can getaway with even a 10 meter foil with
still a  meter and a half more projected surface than a 12 tuber with
even better "handling " we're not talking about switching hands and
gaining a stroke here. Your slinging a hell of alot less meat i
MEAN "area "
than a 12 TUBER with THE 10  projecting STILL MORE area how sweet can
it get. wEEDS ARE GROWING HIGH NOW , PICK'EM while you can cause the
harvest won;t last.......

And everyone is kung fu fighting.............. or not.

ToDd



--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, Hung Vu <hungvu2000@r...> wrote:
> Switching kites are very cumbersome while switching boards is
fairly easy.
>
> Recently I start to rig only 1 kite and switch between 2 boards
when the
> wind varies.
>
> It's effortless to ride back to the beach, grab another board
(larger or
> smaller) when the wind change and ride out again.
>
> P.S., The 2 boards should be around 1500 to 3000 cm2 smaller/larger
in
> size to notice differences...
>
> Hung.

Guys,
Thanks for your input....just to confirm I have already done a week
in Fuerte with Extreme Hols and it was great (especially the
safety...). I do need more time on the water now plus also some
sun...(though as luck goes Sept here in east anglia is looking
good!!!)but i have to consider my parner who wants to spend all day
sun bathing....am not too worried about cost just want the best
place...have looked at egypt over the weekend but it is packed
(flight wise) so will have to give a miss there this time.Just
looking at other recommendations?

Cheers

Gavin


--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, Iain Wood <d.i.wood@n...> wrote:
>
> On 4 Sep 2004, at 22:05, Paul (Not an Idiot) Mallett wrote:
>
> > Did you read the original question?
>
> Not well enough.
>
> > He's already been on at least one course
> > of a week (in Fuerte) after which he should have had safety
drummed
> > into
> > him. What he probably needs most of is more water time but
obviously
> > he's
> > got to be careful about wind direction without safety cover....
>
> Point taken. I apologise to you Paul. I'm maybe a bit too twitchy
on
> safety issues..
>
> > Probably
> > better off heading down to his local beach and chatting to a few
of the
> > regulars and then buying some kit rather than shelling out £300+
for
> > another course
>
> Talking to the locals sounds like a great idea. There are things
that a
> school somewhere else cant teach.
>
> > . And no, I DONT need more lessons - I DO need more time on the
water
> > somewhere uncrowded  with winds that dont mean someone end up
ringing
> > the
> > coastguard to fish me out.
> >
>
> Amen! We have prevailing Westerly winds on an East coast :-(
>
>
>  Iain

Try looking at a german site http://www.stehsegelrevue.com/ they seem to
have links to most kite/windsurf hot spots also try www.kitebeaches.com

-----Original Message-----
From: GS [mailto:gavin@...]
Sent: 06 September 2004 11:19
To: kitesurf@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ksurf] Best School


Guys,
Thanks for your input....just to confirm I have already done a week
in Fuerte with Extreme Hols and it was great (especially the
safety...). I do need more time on the water now plus also some
sun...(though as luck goes Sept here in east anglia is looking
good!!!)but i have to consider my parner who wants to spend all day
sun bathing....am not too worried about cost just want the best
place...have looked at egypt over the weekend but it is packed
(flight wise) so will have to give a miss there this time.Just
looking at other recommendations?

Cheers

Gavin


--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, Iain Wood <d.i.wood@n...> wrote:
>
> On 4 Sep 2004, at 22:05, Paul (Not an Idiot) Mallett wrote:
>
> > Did you read the original question?
>
> Not well enough.
>
> > He's already been on at least one course
> > of a week (in Fuerte) after which he should have had safety
drummed
> > into
> > him. What he probably needs most of is more water time but
obviously
> > he's
> > got to be careful about wind direction without safety cover....
>
> Point taken. I apologise to you Paul. I'm maybe a bit too twitchy
on
> safety issues..
>
> > Probably
> > better off heading down to his local beach and chatting to a few
of the
> > regulars and then buying some kit rather than shelling out £300+
for
> > another course
>
> Talking to the locals sounds like a great idea. There are things
that a
> school somewhere else cant teach.
>
> > . And no, I DONT need more lessons - I DO need more time on the
water
> > somewhere uncrowded  with winds that dont mean someone end up
ringing
> > the
> > coastguard to fish me out.
> >
>
> Amen! We have prevailing Westerly winds on an East coast :-(
>
>
>  Iain



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Thought this was kinda cool, I had to resize the image to get the correct
dimensions before printing, the article states that since the newer table tennis
balls are larger in diameter there is a 2,6% error if you use them, the old
balls are 38 MM if memory serves, the string length is 25 Cm. I'll have to check
it with my digital for accuracy.  it seems to me a bubble level mounted on
top would aid accuracy.
Denise

http://umweltspione.de/umwelt/geraetekoffer/windmesser/windmesser.htm

http://hometown.aol.com/denisesewa/index.html


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After having kited since 1998 and taught kitesurfing for a few years, I
started to realized that kitesurfing is "not dangerous" if done properly
- proper kitesurfing safety guidelines are followed (especially since we
had no serious kitesurfing accident locally since 1998 while we had
numerous snowboarding accidents since then).

Neither kitesurfing has to be extreme and the sport can be enjoyed by an
average mom-and-pop.

I thought I was the "first" to discover this fact.

So I did a very quick search on Google.  To my surprise there are other
sites and schools out there who claims that either kitesurfing is not
dangerous or they can teach one can be not dangerous to oneself or the
others:

     1- http://www.more-than-boards.de/schools/Kitexcite.php?newlang=uk
        "To learn Kitesurfing is not dangerous and brings a lot of Fun"
     2- http://tarifainfo.com/en/kite-surfing.html
           " Kiteboarding in Tarifa is not dangerous if done with the
necessary caution, and learned with qualified instructor."
     3- http://www.kiteboardcabarete.com/oct03/english/courses.htm
        "We recommend 8 hours of training to become independent in 2 lines :
             - to be competent in safety : not dangerous to oneself and
to others."

The other schools and manufacturers need to put some level of safety
assurance to their teaching and equipment...

Hung.



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