It is probably better to ignore this little idiot. Hopefully he/she will go
away - life is too good to be tainted by crap like he/she can dish up.
Geoff

The brand new t-shirts "serial kiter" & "flames"
to see them click here:

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newusrid=3dc6cda135180&myl=en


or here:
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Help, I got like a 3" blob of tar on my dacron LE.  How can i remove
it without damaging the kite.  please help.

thanks

Buy a new kite and move to Australia-where we don't have that kind of
problem?


----- Original Message -----
From: "scnukinboyz" <scnukinboyz@...>
To: <kitesurf@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:16 PM
Subject: [ksurf] Tar on my kite !


> Help, I got like a 3" blob of tar on my dacron LE.  How can i remove
> it without damaging the kite.  please help.
>
> thanks
>
>
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Get some Johnson & Johnson baby oil (mineral oil).  Take a clean
paper towel and put a small amount of baby oil on the towel. Try to
rub the tar off without spreading it over more of your kite.  Keep
moving to a clean area of the paper towel with fresh oil on it,
don't make several passes with a dirty paper towel, just wipe it a
couple of times to get the big stuff off.  Once you get most of it
off it will look like the tar has stained the Dacron.  Once again
use a clean paper towel with fresh oil on it and really work the
stain by rubbing it a lot.  The key to getting the last bit of stain
off is to allow the oil to work into the Dacron a bit, and keep
rubbing it with clean oil and paper towel.  Use the baby oil
sparingly because it will soak into and through the Dacron, so you
don't want a lot on there or it will go through to the bladder.  It
is no big deal if it does soak through, as it won't hurt anything,
but it is better to use as little as possible.  The oil will leave a
slight oil mark on the Dacron, but you will really have to look for
it to notice it.  This method has worked very well on all my kites
for the past two years.  It's too bad the tar doesn't come off as
easy on the Dacron as it does on the ripstop, because it comes right
off of the ripstop almost immediately with the baby oil. Take care.



--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "scnukinboyz" <scnukinboyz@y...>
wrote:
> Help, I got like a 3" blob of tar on my dacron LE.  How can i
remove
> it without damaging the kite.  please help.
>
> thanks

Nick,

According to New England Ropes, "Technora" is their "highest strength
aramid fiber".  It feels, cuts and burns like Kevlar, but has a
higher strength and abrasion resistance.  Doesn't look anything like
Spectra.  On racing yachts, Technora is the high-tech line of
choice.  Down sides are that it doesn't hold a knot as well as
Spectra, so splices are better, and it doesn't melt like Spectra, so
you have to "whip" the raw ends, tuck them in a splice, or dip them
in liquid rubber.

Paul
>
> Paul, the stuff your using sounds like spectra/dyneema. What
> is "Technora" made of?
>
> Nick

We have always used Eucalyptus oil to get tar off:  kites, children,
anything.
Does the job a treat, no damage and smells good.
Available at pharmacies

Dave



----- Original Message -----
From: "zenwind1" <Kiteboarding@...>
To: <kitesurf@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:45 AM
Subject: [ksurf] Re: Tar on my kite !


> Get some Johnson & Johnson baby oil (mineral oil).  Take a clean
> paper towel and put a small amount of baby oil on the towel. Try to
> rub the tar off without spreading it over more of your kite.  Keep
> moving to a clean area of the paper towel with fresh oil on it,
> don't make several passes with a dirty paper towel, just wipe it a
> couple of times to get the big stuff off.  Once you get most of it
> off it will look like the tar has stained the Dacron.  Once again
> use a clean paper towel with fresh oil on it and really work the
> stain by rubbing it a lot.  The key to getting the last bit of stain
> off is to allow the oil to work into the Dacron a bit, and keep
> rubbing it with clean oil and paper towel.  Use the baby oil
> sparingly because it will soak into and through the Dacron, so you
> don't want a lot on there or it will go through to the bladder.  It
> is no big deal if it does soak through, as it won't hurt anything,
> but it is better to use as little as possible.  The oil will leave a
> slight oil mark on the Dacron, but you will really have to look for
> it to notice it.  This method has worked very well on all my kites
> for the past two years.  It's too bad the tar doesn't come off as
> easy on the Dacron as it does on the ripstop, because it comes right
> off of the ripstop almost immediately with the baby oil. Take care.
>
>
>
> --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "scnukinboyz" <scnukinboyz@y...>
> wrote:
> > Help, I got like a 3" blob of tar on my dacron LE.  How can i
> remove
> > it without damaging the kite.  please help.
> >
> > thanks
>
>
> This group is sponsored by KiteHIGH.com Kitesurfing
>
> http://www.KiteHIGH.com
> ph: 1 866 646 7835 Toll Free USA or
> ph: 1 808 637 KITE (5483)
> Em: support@...
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Hi,
I am planning to travel around the world later this year and want to
kitesurf as i go, i am planning to spend over 6 months in Oz and buy
a VW camper to travel and kite.
I hope to start off in cape town, thailand, OZ, NZ, and the south
pacific , lastly LA.
If anyone has any advice that may help I would be thankful, also if
anyone else has the same ideas maybe we could travel together doing
what we enjoy in the best places in the world.
Thanks
Chris
email chrisbyrne32@...

Hi all,

I wanna buy a brand new naish x2 20 (complete) with good price!
In USA!
Do you guys have one?

Thanks

My fear is that instead of replacing a $2 piece of rope you'll be
your $100 bar when the cable wears through the hole.

Hello,


I am new to the kitesurfing sport and because of crappy wind I won't
be picking it up much at home.


However, I will be visiting Oahu for about a month in July and I want
to learn how to kitesurf and do a lot of practicing while there, so
I'm hoping some locals could help me out with a couple questions:




Surfing the web I found a bunch of schools, but I couldn't find anyone
that rents a full rig (kite, board, harness, lines...).  Is there
anyone out there that does this?  How much would it cost for a
relatively long-term rent (about 3 weeks)?




I want to take lessons as well.  Looking at their website, the Aloha
Kiteboarding academy looks good.  Can anyone recommend them or
recommend anyone else?




Thanks,


Dan

For Sale:  Naish X2

X2 16 - Like new in very good condition.  Complete w/bar, pump, etc.
         $750.00 US.

X2 12 - Again like new, Complete.  $700.00 US.

Email: Steveus147@... Cell 239-707-0326

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "jasek_99" <dan@j...> wrote:
> How much would it cost for a
> relatively long-term rent (about 3 weeks)?
> I want to take lessons as well.

Dan
Nobody rents out kite gear because it is so fragile and because of
liability issues. But when you are taking lessons, all equipment is
provided. After that, buy your own. It is not hard to find used gear
for sale.

There are several kite schools at Kailua. You can choose one when
you arrive. Just go to the beach.

The Naish shop there is very helpful and might be a good choice.

Chris G

I'm currently using a piece of 4mm spectra inside some plastic
tubing. It sticks a *little* if you try to sheet in and steer at the
same time. Other than that it works fine.

Greg

I was wondering if you can stack inflatable kites? Because you can
stack peterlynn G-Arcs which have the same line set up as inflatable
4 line kites.

Hi Chris,

correction nobody in the U.S. rents out kites,
if you go to Venezuela, Germany or Switzerland
that's all no problem.

Hi Dan,

My wife took lessons with the Aloha kiteboarding academy
they are real good, I assume the guys at Naish and the other
schools are good too.

You can rent boards in Kailua, but for longterm you are most
likely much better of buying used gear overthere and seling it
before you leave, again ask the shops.

We were in Oahu some weeks ago for a week a great spot to
go, I can't wait to go back.

Thanks

Marko

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Glazier" <cglazier@c...>
wrote:
> --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "jasek_99" <dan@j...> wrote:
> > How much would it cost for a
> > relatively long-term rent (about 3 weeks)?
> > I want to take lessons as well.
>
> Dan
> Nobody rents out kite gear because it is so fragile and because of
> liability issues. But when you are taking lessons, all equipment
is
> provided. After that, buy your own. It is not hard to find used
gear
> for sale.
>
> There are several kite schools at Kailua. You can choose one when
> you arrive. Just go to the beach.
>
> The Naish shop there is very helpful and might be a good choice.
>
> Chris G

Yes you can,

my friend stacked a 11.8 and a 16.4 Airblast, and went out in
like 4 mph.

Marko

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "mathomm" <mrt03@u...> wrote:
> I was wondering if you can stack inflatable kites? Because you can
> stack peterlynn G-Arcs which have the same line set up as
inflatable
> 4 line kites.

Hi All

After quite a few years of Kitesurfing and using a wide range of
different kits it has
become evident that it is not necessarily the amount of power you
have  available it is
whether you can get the power down onto the board and also whether
you can keep
the kite driving through the turns particularly on the bottom stroke
when working the
kite in light wind. I have recently done some alterations to 16 m
kites, simply widening
the wing tips to enable a kite to have fast turning without having to
sheet in. sheeting
in in light wind on the standard settings  definitely will give you
better turning but
usually results in killing off the air speed of the kite which means
loss of power. most
of the brands manufactured in the years 2002 to 2003 will be more
than adequate as
they are,  some of the 2000 and  2001 models tend to be a little slow
in the turns, in
particular the medium aspect ratio, this modification will be well
suited to those kits.
It is a very simple operation to make these changes, I have posted
some photos on the
news section of my web page   www.lekite.com.au   showing what I have
done.

Bob Dawson
www.kite.com.au
mail@...

From: "mathomm" <mrt03@...>


> I was wondering if you can stack inflatable kites? Because you can
> stack peterlynn G-Arcs which have the same line set up as inflatable
> 4 line kites.

I saw a stack of three a few weeks ago, don't know how easy it was to
control though.

Steven

Whose the little whining bitch?! Who made you the style police?

It seems that the real whiners are the ones that are too worried about what
style is in
and what is out. Get over yourself and your 'cool style' and chill out.

Does anyone remember kiteboarding 3-4 years ago? There was no attitude and no
bullshit like that that had been built up in surfing and windsurfing. There was
no
teritory wars, and no one blasting around with a stupid screwed up look on their
face
like they hate everything and everybody on the water. For a few years - this was
the
best thing about the sport, and the fact that every session you could try new
things
and push boundaries, and everyone else you met with a kite was open and cool.

Now we have these little narrow minded fundamentalist dicks who want to preach
the
rules of how to ride, how to grab etc. Personally, I don't give a toss. I am not
about to
go and buy a mag to read what I should be doing so I can be cool. I am not
kiteboarding to impress anyone. My ego is OK how it is. Kiteboarding is personal
-
and not evey one is an exhibitionist who wants to follow the rules of whats cool
this
week. The funny thing is that the real people leading the charge don't give a
crap
about what's cool either. They do it for the fun and the challenge and they mix
it up.

It's also too early to be locking in to one style. What's cool is people like
Elliot Leboe
who has used wakeboards for years, out there boosting huge a few years ago with
foils (which I must admit are quite gay ;-) or riding waves on big surfboards or
foilboards or whatever. its about innovation, not doing the same tricks you were
doing behind your boat 10 years ago.

Personally, my ultimate session is like the old days. Wind and sun and just a
few
dudes trying new things. Whether they be wakestyle, 'dick tricks' whatever it's
all cool.

it's the little moron red necks like this guy who will eventually kill our
sport.

And I don't rember anyone knocking wakestyle. I do remeber a few people saying
that
no-whip is a little odd though... Why pretend you are behind a a boat and only
do 3
foot jumps when you have a kite that you can send?

P.S. What is a dick trick anyway? Is that chicken loop style with board off, 1
footers
etc?

You have to admit that some the people that ride this style - people like
Boombie,
Bill, Ben Wilson etc. are pretty good riders. ;-P





--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "big_ohr" <bigohrr@a...> wrote:
> Just read the archives concerning the australian nationals ... You
> guys bitching about guys who ride with wakeboards really are
> fags.
>
> You want kiteboarding to stay as some foul form of aerial ballet..
> Slow and gay with no consequence. Yuk. The recent massive over use of
> board off dick tricks really turned it to crap. Might as well spin a
> yo-yo up there, there is really no difference.
>
> It is old nerds like you that are keeping the sport gay. Rather go
> and measure your chicken loops and chat about how long they are on
> the internet than go ride. Its embarrasing.
>
> If they ever make it cheap enough and the kids come in and take over,
> things are gunna change...
>
>
> You really are a bunch of little bitches.
>
>
> OHR

here is a video i made

http://home.no.net/vstsrfv1/videoklipp/Stackweb.wmv

enjoy

ronny basso



--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Steven" <sadams123@o...> wrote:
> From: "mathomm" <mrt03@u...>
>
>
> > I was wondering if you can stack inflatable kites? Because you can
> > stack peterlynn G-Arcs which have the same line set up as
inflatable
> > 4 line kites.
>
> I saw a stack of three a few weeks ago, don't know how easy it was
to
> control though.
>
> Steven

> My fear is that instead of replacing a $2 piece of rope you'll be
> your $100 bar when the cable wears through the hole.

The cable is sleeved in a plastic tube which protects the bar and
the cable.  Also, the cable is strong so a small diameter cable
could be used.  With the plastic tubing the overall diameter would
still be less than rope.  I think there would be little friction on
the bar.

Hello Kiters,
just to inform of thi event in June that will be held in Bali.
For more information check on our web site www.bali-kitesurfing.org
The contest is not aim to professional but to anybody that like to
have fun.
A lot of price will be drawn so that any one entering will be a
winner.
Also the next week 22-29 will be an IKO instructor course with Darren
Marshall, and we still have 3 place available.
Bye Jankie

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "vide72au" <vide72au@y...> wrote:
> Whose the little whining bitch?!

His name is Nigel.


>Who made you the style police?
>
> It seems that the real whiners are the ones that are too worried about what
style is in
> and what is out. Get over yourself and your 'cool style' and chill out.
>
> Does anyone remember kiteboarding 3-4 years ago? There was no attitude and no
> bullshit like that that had been built up in surfing and windsurfing. There
was no
> teritory wars, and no one blasting around with a stupid screwed up look on
their face
> like they hate everything and everybody on the water. For a few years - this
was the
> best thing about the sport, and the fact that every session you could try new
things
> and push boundaries, and everyone else you met with a kite was open and cool.
>
> Now we have these little narrow minded fundamentalist dicks who want to preach
the
> rules of how to ride, how to grab etc. Personally, I don't give a toss. I am
not about to
> go and buy a mag to read what I should be doing so I can be cool. I am not
> kiteboarding to impress anyone. My ego is OK how it is. Kiteboarding is
personal -
> and not evey one is an exhibitionist who wants to follow the rules of whats
cool this
> week. The funny thing is that the real people leading the charge don't give a
crap
> about what's cool either. They do it for the fun and the challenge and they
mix it up.
>
> It's also too early to be locking in to one style. What's cool is people like
Elliot Leboe
> who has used wakeboards for years, out there boosting huge a few years ago
with
> foils (which I must admit are quite gay ;-) or riding waves on big surfboards
or
> foilboards or whatever. its about innovation, not doing the same tricks you
were
> doing behind your boat 10 years ago.
>
> Personally, my ultimate session is like the old days. Wind and sun and just a
few
> dudes trying new things. Whether they be wakestyle, 'dick tricks' whatever
it's all cool.
>
> it's the little moron red necks like this guy who will eventually kill our
sport.
>
> And I don't rember anyone knocking wakestyle. I do remeber a few people saying
that
> no-whip is a little odd though... Why pretend you are behind a a boat and only
do 3
> foot jumps when you have a kite that you can send?
>
> P.S. What is a dick trick anyway? Is that chicken loop style with board off, 1
footers
> etc?
>
> You have to admit that some the people that ride this style - people like
Boombie,
> Bill, Ben Wilson etc. are pretty good riders. ;-P
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "big_ohr" <bigohrr@a...> wrote:
> > Just read the archives concerning the australian nationals ... You
> > guys bitching about guys who ride with wakeboards really are
> > fags.
> >
> > You want kiteboarding to stay as some foul form of aerial ballet..
> > Slow and gay with no consequence. Yuk. The recent massive over use of
> > board off dick tricks really turned it to crap. Might as well spin a
> > yo-yo up there, there is really no difference.
> >
> > It is old nerds like you that are keeping the sport gay. Rather go
> > and measure your chicken loops and chat about how long they are on
> > the internet than go ride. Its embarrasing.
> >
> > If they ever make it cheap enough and the kids come in and take over,
> > things are gunna change...
> >
> >
> > You really are a bunch of little bitches.
> >
> >
> > OHR

How flexible is the steel cable?  Does it make turning the bar anymore
difficult?

-zb
----- Original Message -----
From: "kiteparker" <dougtraub@...>
To: <kitesurf@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:43 AM
Subject: [ksurf] Re: chickenloop rope: why dont you use steel??


> > My fear is that instead of replacing a $2 piece of rope you'll be
> > your $100 bar when the cable wears through the hole.
>
> The cable is sleeved in a plastic tube which protects the bar and
> the cable.  Also, the cable is strong so a small diameter cable
> could be used.  With the plastic tubing the overall diameter would
> still be less than rope.  I think there would be little friction on
> the bar.
>
>
> This group is sponsored by KiteHIGH.com Kitesurfing
>
> http://www.KiteHIGH.com
> ph: 1 866 646 7835 Toll Free USA or
> ph: 1 808 637 KITE (5483)
> Em: support@...
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Hey DT,

You've made lots of posts over the years but I'll say this was
among your finest. Spot on. A few years ago everybody was cool
to everybody like we were all brothers and sisters discovering
new things every session. Too bad these days we have to put up
with an increasing number of little pricks with ego problems
trying desperately to be cool and putting down others who are
having a blast doing things their own way. Like you, I kite to put a
smile on MY face and don't give a crap if somebody like Nigel
approves or not.

I'm not trying to be too hard on Nigel. I don't know him at all and
would hate to misjudge him based only on his arrogant and
intolerant words. In person, he might well be a nice little bitch. ;-)

John

--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "vide72au" <vide72au@y...>
wrote:
> Whose the little whining bitch?! Who made you the style
police?
>
> It seems that the real whiners are the ones that are too worried
about what style is in
> and what is out. Get over yourself and your 'cool style' and chill
out.
>
> Does anyone remember kiteboarding 3-4 years ago? There
was no attitude and no
> bullshit like that that had been built up in surfing and
windsurfing. There was no
> teritory wars, and no one blasting around with a stupid
screwed up look on their face
> like they hate everything and everybody on the water. For a few
years - this was the
> best thing about the sport, and the fact that every session you
could try new things
> and push boundaries, and everyone else you met with a kite
was open and cool.
>
> Now we have these little narrow minded fundamentalist dicks
who want to preach the
> rules of how to ride, how to grab etc. Personally, I don't give a
toss. I am not about to
> go and buy a mag to read what I should be doing so I can be
cool. I am not
> kiteboarding to impress anyone. My ego is OK how it is.
Kiteboarding is personal -
> and not evey one is an exhibitionist who wants to follow the
rules of whats cool this
> week. The funny thing is that the real people leading the
charge don't give a crap
> about what's cool either. They do it for the fun and the
challenge and they mix it up.
>
> It's also too early to be locking in to one style. What's cool is
people like Elliot Leboe
> who has used wakeboards for years, out there boosting huge
a few years ago with
> foils (which I must admit are quite gay ;-) or riding waves on big
surfboards or
> foilboards or whatever. its about innovation, not doing the
same tricks you were
> doing behind your boat 10 years ago.
>
> Personally, my ultimate session is like the old days. Wind and
sun and just a few
> dudes trying new things. Whether they be wakestyle, 'dick
tricks' whatever it's all cool.
>
> it's the little moron red necks like this guy who will eventually
kill our sport.
>
> And I don't rember anyone knocking wakestyle. I do remeber a
few people saying that
> no-whip is a little odd though... Why pretend you are behind a a
boat and only do 3
> foot jumps when you have a kite that you can send?
>
> P.S. What is a dick trick anyway? Is that chicken loop style with
board off, 1 footers
> etc?
>
> You have to admit that some the people that ride this style -
people like Boombie,
> Bill, Ben Wilson etc. are pretty good riders. ;-P
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "big_ohr" <bigohrr@a...>
wrote:
> > Just read the archives concerning the australian nationals ...
You
> > guys bitching about guys who ride with wakeboards really
are
> > fags.
> >
> > You want kiteboarding to stay as some foul form of aerial
ballet..
> > Slow and gay with no consequence. Yuk. The recent massive
over use of
> > board off dick tricks really turned it to crap. Might as well spin
a
> > yo-yo up there, there is really no difference.
> >
> > It is old nerds like you that are keeping the sport gay. Rather
go
> > and measure your chicken loops and chat about how long
they are on
> > the internet than go ride. Its embarrasing.
> >
> > If they ever make it cheap enough and the kids come in and
take over,
> > things are gunna change...
> >
> >
> > You really are a bunch of little bitches.
> >
> >
> > OHR

I'm riding a Rhino2 with a new North Scepter bar and I just had the
chicken loop rip off the blue spectra rope right at the point that
it's sewn with it's webbing jacket. I've seen one or two posts
mentioning this, and I'm wondering if this has been experienced by
others.
I was just cruising along, and it seems inexcusable that it should
tear and fail at all, let alone after only one month of use. Anyone
know if North is recalling - retofitting this system? I was told I
can get a new one, but it's not worth the risk if the same thing is
going to happen again - I consider myself lucky since I only ended
up with spaghetti lines. Oh, and did I mention that the leash
released itself, as well? Damn, when it rains, it pours....

This chicken loop has been recalled by North.
You will get redesigned replacement. So far works well.
It doesn't release by itself either.

The other problem with Spectra bar are back line strap adjusters.
The clip will cut through the webbing. Remove them and replace them with
rope.

Henryk
----- Original Message -----
From: "matt_treger" <matt_treger@...>
To: <kitesurf@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: [ksurf] North Scepter Defect - or just Bad Luck??


> I'm riding a Rhino2 with a new North Scepter bar and I just had the
> chicken loop rip off the blue spectra rope right at the point that
> it's sewn with it's webbing jacket. I've seen one or two posts
> mentioning this, and I'm wondering if this has been experienced by
> others.
> I was just cruising along, and it seems inexcusable that it should
> tear and fail at all, let alone after only one month of use. Anyone
> know if North is recalling - retofitting this system? I was told I
> can get a new one, but it's not worth the risk if the same thing is
> going to happen again - I consider myself lucky since I only ended
> up with spaghetti lines. Oh, and did I mention that the leash
> released itself, as well? Damn, when it rains, it pours....
>
>
> This group is sponsored by KiteHIGH.com Kitesurfing
>
> http://www.KiteHIGH.com
> ph: 1 866 646 7835 Toll Free USA or
> ph: 1 808 637 KITE (5483)
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--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "matt_treger" <matt_treger@y...>
wrote:
> I'm riding a Rhino2 with a new North Scepter bar and I just had
the
> chicken loop rip off the blue spectra rope right at the point that
> it's sewn with it's webbing jacket. I've seen one or two posts
> mentioning this, and I'm wondering if this has been experienced by
> others.
> I was just cruising along, and it seems inexcusable that it should
> tear and fail at all, let alone after only one month of use.
Anyone
> know if North is recalling - retofitting this system? I was told I
> can get a new one, but it's not worth the risk if the same thing
is
> going to happen again - I consider myself lucky since I only ended
> up with spaghetti lines. Oh, and did I mention that the leash
> released itself, as well? Damn, when it rains, it pours....

I wish manufacturers would get on these group and publish details of
dangerous flaws they find in their gear!!
The Sceptre bar has 3 dangerous flaws, where the blue rope is sewn
to the loop (there is a free replacement now).
The metal clips used to adjust the rear lines at the bar - they are
covered in a neoprene cover, these clips will break the side line
webbing, the teeth are too sharp. I beleive the springs and clips
will corode over time anyway, we remove these from every kite we
sell.
The tiny plastic balls that retain your leashed front line are not
strong enough, big guys pull the knot through the ball, regardless
of whether you use a fig 8 knot.
Other than that the bar is comfy to use, but the main loop releases
are too big and clunky for most people, makes it really hard to hold
the bar close to the middle.

Steve
www.kitepower.com.au

Interesting

My friend has a new Rhino 2 and just had the little stopper ball
that holds one of the front lines fail. The front line was then held
only by the leash and the kite became uncrontrollable. It made for a
long swim. I would certainly rig the stopper balls on the front
lines differently (my X2 stopper balls are in a better arrangement).

Otherwise, I tried the Rhino 2 and the kite flew very nicely.

Chris G


--- In kitesurf@yahoogroups.com, "Henryk Majewski" <henas@p...>
wrote:
> This chicken loop has been recalled by North.
> You will get redesigned replacement. So far works well.
> It doesn't release by itself either.
>
> The other problem with Spectra bar are back line strap adjusters.
> The clip will cut through the webbing. Remove them and replace
them with
> rope.
>
> Henryk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "matt_treger" <matt_treger@y...>
> To: <kitesurf@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:57 AM
> Subject: [ksurf] North Scepter Defect - or just Bad Luck??
>
>
> > I'm riding a Rhino2 with a new North Scepter bar and I just had
the
> > chicken loop rip off the blue spectra rope right at the point
that
> > it's sewn with it's webbing jacket. I've seen one or two posts
> > mentioning this, and I'm wondering if this has been experienced
by
> > others.
> > I was just cruising along, and it seems inexcusable that it
should
> > tear and fail at all, let alone after only one month of use.
Anyone
> > know if North is recalling - retofitting this system? I was told
I
> > can get a new one, but it's not worth the risk if the same thing
is
> > going to happen again - I consider myself lucky since I only
ended
> > up with spaghetti lines. Oh, and did I mention that the leash
> > released itself, as well? Damn, when it rains, it pours....
> >
> >
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