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De : F.ONE

À : kitesurf@egroups.com

Envoyé : 31 juillet, 1999 03:19

Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Hello Michel ,

I send you a direct E mail yesterday because this not the purpose of the E group , unless someone write something to you directly .

 

I would like to precise that you should clealy write what is you concern exactly ?

Reading between the lines I might understand that the problem is coming from our argument saying that we are the first company to have develop and sell the kite with valves .

Its for sure not our invention because it was use in paragliding , but its also clear that F.ONE was the first kite maker to adatp it to kitesurfing and to put it on the market in December 98 .

 

I used Concept Air in the past and I like it , I also use a lot of other kites , like Wipika also and they are not coming back all the time with the fact that I use their kites ?

I think that before to produce my own kite I did a lot of promotion for Concept Air and Wipika  by using them around the world . How  many pages of magazines and TV I did  with your kites ??

Our relations where also good because you where the F.ONE board distributor in Canada .

 

Now I have my own design , build the way I want it for kitesurfing and our relations change a lot !

 

I don't understand why you always coming back after me , our companies are totaly different :

You are producing and designing your kite yourself in your sail loft since many years , your kites are more like a custom production really close to your customers .You have in all France only one dealer.

 

I'm working with a paragliding designer that is equip with a computer program , the prototypes are made by a French factory according to the computer design . The production kites are made outside France by a paragliding factory . Our distribution is made worlwide by distributors that are working with dealers.

 

There is nothing bad in our two differents organisation ?

They are differents on all these points but something that we have in comon is that we are both actively practicing our sport at a  high level !

We love to work into the sport that is our passion , we love to create new products that will give us more pleasure on the water or snow . Our customers can feel all this when they touch our kites !

And we are lucky that we are abble to live from it !

 

I respect your work and your way of going .

We are small fish that open a new incredible sport and market but there is some  big sharks looking at it now . Be carefull that we are not trying to eat each other before they eat us !

 

I realy hope that our relations goes a nicer way in the future , maybe we should talk directly more offen?

Sorry for all of your guys from the  E group .

 

Amicaly

Raphaël Salles

 

 

 

 

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De : Michel Montmigny <traction@...>
À : kitesurf@egroups.com <kitesurf@egroups.com>
Date : vendredi 30 juillet 1999 16:54
Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Hello everybody,

 

About whales, I had so much emotions 2 day ago on the Saguenay Fjord.

This is a 100 km Fjord and I leave just in face of. We have 19 feet tide and salt & cold water from St-Lawrence river come up here at high tide.

I was kitesurfing with 9.0 WAVE in 8 knots and I had big fun to cruise with Belugas(small 15 foot white whales), about 40 of them not too far from me.

Last time I had experience like it, it was in 1983 during a funboard session and also one time kayaking.

 

I hope it happen to you one day, it's a great moment.

 

This morning I MUST whrite something that for few of you will sound strange, maybe long or boring. But for me it's very important to make a point on few things!

 

Since we are in the TRACTION kites business, 1991 we have worked a lot and developp a lot of new kites. We do our best to put very nice and efficient kites on the market. We are there because it's our passion and we love what we are doing.

 

Our products are certainly not so bad if you look at those results:

 

97 World Ice & Snow Sailing Champion in Course racing(myself) and long distance(my business partner Ben Tremblay) with the EX range, and that overall.

 

97  French buggy title(France) Laurent Ness  came first with the EX range

 

98  3 nd in French buggy Championship with Michel Paul

 

99 2 nd  in French buggy Championship with Michel Paul

 

99 World Ice and sailing Champion , course racing, long distances,

1st, 2nd,3nd EX'S TRACTION 

 

99 Laurent Ness did very well with our WAVE kites in kitesurfing competition and the best will come soon.  

 

We developp our products in our particular Canadian conditions(3 feet of ice during winter) and they are a lot tested all around the world.

Then we are really close from what peoples think about our kites and wich changes or ameliorations that we could bring.

 

We do have our idea about life as any kite makers do and for sure we are not perfect but we work hard to reach high quality level.

 

Why I am breaking your ears with our personnal story today is that since a while, I shout my mouth on very bad and untrue things that few kites makers spread around.

 

Did somebody eard Concept Air say something very bad about one or other kites on that planet???

I dont think so.

 

We only take care about our business and it's enough work.

 

I eard that aparently we CONCEPT AIR copyed F-ONE kites...

Let me have a big smile about it, because not too much people know that, but in fall 97 Ben and me we spend 2 weeks in France as kite makers and manufacturers talking about kitesurf and kites with Laurent Ness and Raphael Salles.(I have videos and nice pictures of it)

At that time Raphael was looking to find a kitemakers to make business with.

I dont need to tell that during those 2 weeks, we had few brainstorming about wich development could be the best for having nice kites for kitesurfing.

 

So to make it shorter, let me ask you wich is the "inventor" ;0) of the TRACTION kites with flap and net on the leading edge????????????????

I have seen it for the first time on my paraglider , long time ago.

 

And from an other hand, I will ask from a very polite way to others that have nothing else  to say or do , to stop saying stupid things about Concept Air kites.

 

If there is need I will give name.

 

Why even if we are in some business competition could we not having a fair and honest attitude between manufacturers?

This is my best wish!!!

 

To all of you , sorry if I took so much space on the list this morning.

 

Have very nice and fly safe.

 

 

Michel Montminy
http://www.conceptair.com
201 bld Tadoussac
Canton-Tremblay, Qc
G7H 5A8
Tél : (418) 545-8368
Fax : (418) 545-2288

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De : Raul F Argilagos

À : kitesurf@egroups.com

Envoyé : 28 juillet, 1999 22:20

Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Nice to have a beach full of whales rather than people investigating your setup on SouthBeach when kitesurfing! Raul On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:03:08 -0400 Susan M Simmons <susanal1@...> writes: >For those of you near Cape Cod: >The very tip of Cape Cod (above Provincetown) has a nice beach for >kitesurfing, especially if you also have 4 wheel drive. The beach area >near Race Point is fairly wide and it is federal land. If you don't >have >4 wheel drive, you can park (for a nominal fee) in the paved parking >lot >and walk upwind of the public beach to launch where there are very few >people. The whales sometimes come to within a quarter to half mile of >the beach, so you'll want to be careful to avoid being just downwind >of >the stinky, fishy whale breath! >Susan in Ct. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning >FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. >http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/449 > >To unsubscribe, send a message to kitesurf-unsubscribe@... > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Envoyé : 31 juillet, 1999 18:44

Objet : [ksurf] 4 Line Kite

Does anyone know where there would be some photos of anyone flysurfing with a 4 line kite with handles? All I see are pictures of people using control bars not handles. David

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Hung Vu wrote:
>
> >
> > An article & great picture of Robbie Naish getting some air...
>
>   http://starbulletin.com/1999/07/27/features/story3.html
>
>   Bob
>
> >
> I had a look at the article and both flattered and disappointed at the
> same time.  The editor had obviously read my site and even used some of
> the original phrases or sentences (with very minor modifications) such
> as:


Hello Hung,

I hear you on the 10 knot and whitecap kitesurfing guideline.  They seem
to have had a big typo in that one, otherwise nobody would be
kitesurfing in parts of Hawaii.  They have had very strong trade winds
out there these days. Last week in Maui the winds were typically 20-30
mph with one day ranging from 30-45 mph along certain parts of the North
Coast.  On any given day I would guess that 30 folks would be out
kitesurfing at various times between Sprecks and Kahana Beach.  It is
interesting that once I gave up trying to use a 5.0 m Wipika for all but
the lighter wind range that things started to come together and became
enjoyable. Prior to that time I thought that I had forgotten how to
kitesurf!  The 3.5 m (actually 3.0 m ?) and new 4.0 m Wipikas worked
pretty well up to about 40 mph. I had a tendency to get launched (170#),
in the 40 mph+ gusts even with the 3.5 m!

The have some incredible riders off Sprecks most afternoons with
inflatables and a few soft foil kites, jumping like crazy and staying
upwind for the entire session.  About half are on wakeboards and the
rest on kitesurfing boards.  Aside from beach launching and jibing
techniques the performance of the two board types seemed similar. I
suspect that the similar performance had more to do with the high skill
levels of Flash  Austin , Don Montague, Rush Randle, Chris Gilbert and
many others as opposed to the type of board. I used both types of boards
and generally ended up well down wind between dealing with gusts and
dodging reefs. There are quite a few Naish and Wipika kites in use.  I
suspect the Naish kites belong to team riders and associates as they are
still not shipped for purchase on the island. I am not sure why more
soft foils were not in use as they seem to be gaining favor quickly in
other parts of the world.

High wind kitesurfing provides quite a constrast to the light Florida
winds that we have had this summer so far.  I get excited when we have
sustained 13 mph+ winds in Florida and can go out and power up with a
soft foil. In these conditions my Wipika 8.5 m stays in the closet and
the F one 6.5 m goes out on the water.

Good winds!
Rick

Hi Raul,

Well, it happens that I am a spaniard too...

Asín que nos vemos, Pisha!

Ro.

rod@...

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> De: Raul F Argilagos <offdalip@...>
> A: kitesurf@egroups.com
> Asunto: [ksurf] Re: R:  Tarifa, Spain.
> Fecha: jueves 29 de julio de 1999 4:57
>
> I am Spanish so I Go!!!!!
> Raul
>
> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:43:32 +0200 "Ro" <rod@...> writes:
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> >Tarifa is the southernmost point of Spain where the Mediterranean Sea
> >and
> >the Atlantic Ocean meet. This makes this place a focusing point for
> >winds
> >and sea currents. It is easy on summer to have 5 days on a row of F7
> >winds
> >blasting from the East once a week.
> >
> >It belongs to the province of Cádiz and it is just 90 Km away from
> >where I
> >live !!!!
> >
> >Regards.
> >Ro.
> >
> >rod@...
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> >
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> >I am roberto, Where is Tarifa ?
> >
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hi there,
I've been here in Honolulu for the past ten days flying with the Naish
guys.  They tell me that the Naish kites will be available very soon as
well as some great boards which I got the opertunity to try both of.
The first production run of Naish kites to come in are 7m and 5m kites
and they are very impresive kites.  I got to hang out with Randy Naish
at the shop Yesterday and watch some of the construction of a new
kiteboard for Don Montague. It was a 6'2" slalom board.  Randy naish
says he see the kitesurf boards getting shorter in the future.  Most of
the Naish kites out there right now are owned by hawaii locals as they
are not shiping yet but you can get one if you come and get it
personaly.  The kitesurfing at Kailua Bay is great and I learned better
how to jump while I've been here.  The Naish kites are great for
jumping with their higher aspect ratio.
Watch for posts about my new Website to be launched in about two weeks
-        www.kitesurf-reviews.com  The first reviews will be the Naish
kites and boards which I demoed while I've been here.  Much thanks to
Des of Naish kites for his time and kites.
PEACE&WIND
Josh Young<o1withwind@...>

  <37a47192.1ab-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/kitesurf/?start=3977
> Hung Vu wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > An article & great picture of Robbie Naish getting some air...
> >
> >   http://starbulletin.com/1999/07/27/features/story3.html
> >
> >   Bob
> >
> > >
> > I had a look at the article and both flattered and disappointed at
the
> > same time.  The editor had obviously read my site and even used
some of
> > the original phrases or sentences (with very minor modifications)
such
> > as:
>
>
> Hello Hung,
>
> I hear you on the 10 knot and whitecap kitesurfing guideline.  They
seem
> to have had a big typo in that one, otherwise nobody would be
> kitesurfing in parts of Hawaii.  They have had very strong trade winds
> out there these days. Last week in Maui the winds were typically 20-30
> mph with one day ranging from 30-45 mph along certain parts of the
North
> Coast.  On any given day I would guess that 30 folks would be out
> kitesurfing at various times between Sprecks and Kahana Beach.  It is
> interesting that once I gave up trying to use a 5.0 m Wipika for all
but
> the lighter wind range that things started to come together and became
> enjoyable. Prior to that time I thought that I had forgotten how to
> kitesurf!  The 3.5 m (actually 3.0 m ?) and new 4.0 m Wipikas worked
> pretty well up to about 40 mph. I had a tendency to get launched
(170#),
> in the 40 mph+ gusts even with the 3.5 m!
>
> The have some incredible riders off Sprecks most afternoons with
> inflatables and a few soft foil kites, jumping like crazy and staying
> upwind for the entire session.  About half are on wakeboards and the
> rest on kitesurfing boards.  Aside from beach launching and jibing
> techniques the performance of the two board types seemed similar. I
> suspect that the similar performance had more to do with the high
skill
> levels of Flash  Austin , Don Montague, Rush Randle, Chris Gilbert and
> many others as opposed to the type of board. I used both types of
boards
> and generally ended up well down wind between dealing with gusts and
> dodging reefs. There are quite a few Naish and Wipika kites in use.  I
> suspect the Naish kites belong to team riders and associates as they
are
> still not shipped for purchase on the island. I am not sure why more
> soft foils were not in use as they seem to be gaining favor quickly in
> other parts of the world.
>
> High wind kitesurfing provides quite a constrast to the light Florida
> winds that we have had this summer so far.  I get excited when we have
> sustained 13 mph+ winds in Florida and can go out and power up with a
> soft foil. In these conditions my Wipika 8.5 m stays in the closet and
> the F one 6.5 m goes out on the water.
>
> Good winds!
> Rick

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-----Message d'origine-----
De : Vapor5372@... <Vapor5372@...>
À : kitesurf@egroups.com <kitesurf@egroups.com>
Date : dimanche 1 août 1999 00:44
Objet : [ksurf] 4 Line Kite


>Does anyone know where there would be some photos of anyone flysurfing with
a
>4 line kite with handles? All I see are pictures of people using control
bars
>not handles.
>
>David
>
Go to my web site : www.multimania.com\radicool (in French)

Vlado
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Hiya,
Sorry... Will have to wait about another month or so. It was so damn
freezing last weekend that we did not even think to go windsurfing. Flying
in the park was near uncomfortable, nearly though I'd lost my nose and
fingers. Instead we are going to the skislopes in another two weeks time.
C-quads and snowboards.... ;-)

Yep, I couldn't leave the skurfer in the shop. I'ts a little narrower than a
rough water wakeboard but nearly a foot longer. I'll have to change the fin
though. The positioning is not that bad but it's way to short to be
effective at lower speeds or when attempting to go upwind.

I did however see a Peter Lynn Kitesurfboard blank on Saturday and it was
really great. Though a bit much for my budget at NZ$600. I'd rather buy an
old surfboard and modify it for my first board.

Ciao,

-----Original Message-----
From: jquick1@... [mailto:jquick1@...]
Sent: Saturday, 31 July 1999 06:07
To: kitesurf@egroups.com
Subject: [ksurf] Re: Kitesurf board?


WoW!  I been trying to find Skurf Boards for a long time now!  Let me
know your results with this board.  Wakeboards seem to be awesome as
well, but I think a Skurfboard would be the best.

Let me know ASAP!  (my skurfboard search ended up blank)

Thanks,
Jeff

I have set up a new page on my web site to propose a set of kitesurfing
rules to let other water users to know what to do when we are
approaching each other on the water.  If we all agree on this set of
rules, we can effectively share the same water space with other
water-crafts and among ourselves.

The new page can be found at http://www.netcom.ca/~hungvu/rules.htm

Let me know what you think of it.

Hung.

From: Hung Vu <hungvu@...
> I have set up a new page on my web site to propose a set of kitesurfing
> rules to let other water users to know what to do when we are
> approaching each other on the water.  If we all agree on this set of
> rules, we can effectively share the same water space with other
> water-crafts and among ourselves.

Start with the maritime rules of the road. These apply to all watercraft and
should be understood by all watercraft.

I don't believe the maritime rules say anything about two boat lengths, and
the yacht racing rules use two boat lengths only with repect to gaining
rights when rounding a mark of the course. In other words, ditch reference
to two boat lengths.

The rules should not codify permissiveness regarding flying a kite over
another craft (ie., all that talk about flying different heights above
various craft). It should be understood that flying a kite over someone is
dangerous and that if your kite hits a right-of-way craft, you are at fault.

The first and third of your "common sense rules" can be found in the
maritime rules. The second is, I think, a mistake. We don't want novices to
get the idea it's the responsibility of others to keep clear (though, of
course, others will, as per rule number one). It's the resposibility of the
novice to do his learning where he won't bother others.

The yacht racing rules apply only to sailing craft engaged in a race. They
are generally not applicable to craft that are not racing. Anyway, isn't it
best best to leave racing rules up to the racers?

The wave rules look abreviated but fine as far as they go. More clarity on
wave ownership may be called for.

Keep in mind that virtually no recreational kiteboarder will read, much less
learn, the rules if they number more than about two or three. At that number
maybe a third of kiteboarders will learn them.

Bottom line: Except for wave sailing and racing -- special circumstances --
the existing maritime rules of the road and every person's sense of
self-preservation are all we need.

Ken Winner

>  I don't believe the maritime rules say anything about two boat lengths, and
>  the yacht racing rules use two boat lengths only with repect to gaining
>  rights when rounding a mark of the course. In other words, ditch reference
>  to two boat lengths.

Thanks for the reminder Ken.  I agree that the two hull length is only
used in yatch racing; however, they are used more often than in just
when rounding a mark of the course.  In any cases, I think two hull
length is a good distance to keep clear of the other boat.

>  The rules should not codify permissiveness regarding flying a kite over
>  another craft (ie., all that talk about flying different heights above
>  various craft). It should be understood that flying a kite over someone is
>  dangerous and that if your kite hits a right-of-way craft, you are at fault.

I think this is easy for a kitesurfer to understand; however, it is VERY
HARD to for non-kitesurfers to understand that they have to keep clear
of a "kitesurfing vessel" of 50 m in width.

>  The first and third of your "common sense rules" can be found in the
>  maritime rules. The second is, I think, a mistake. We don't want novices to
>  get the idea it's the responsibility of others to keep clear (though, of
>  course, others will, as per rule number one). It's the resposibility of the
>  novice to do his learning where he won't bother others.

I put it there on purpose because I have seen an experienced boater
injured (almost killed) an inexperienced one because he THINKED he had
the right of way.

>  The wave rules look abreviated but fine as far as they go. More clarity on
>  wave ownership may be called for.

Ken, How would we clarify this?

>  Keep in mind that virtually no recreational kiteboarder will read, much less
>  learn, the rules if they number more than about two or three. At that number
>  maybe a third of kiteboarders will learn them.
>
>  Bottom line: Except for wave sailing and racing -- special circumstances --
>  the existing maritime rules of the road and every person's sense of
>  self-preservation are all we need.

The problem is with non-kitesurfers.  They DO NOT know how to deal with
us.

Hung.

Hie Wilfried

I think that you're french but I write in english :-)))

> A few months ago i bought a Nasawing 250, which is to be 5.5 m²,

I made the last month a 4.7 m².

>but it is a
> bit too powerful for the wind speed usually encountered in my country.

What is this wind speed ?

>So i
> decided to buy a C-quad 3.2. What a surprise when i received it... the two
> kites have aproxemately the same size. After some calculations, i think
the
> cquad area is right.
> An advice for Nasawing owner... Don't buy your next kite by refering to
the
> area of your foil.

I checked, with a 2m Nasa height, 4.7 m² !

@+
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Caen, Basse Normandie, FRANCE
Etudiant à l'ESCEM Tours (Sup de Co)
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toutes les infos sont sur mon site.

Hie,

I'm french.

>Voudriez vous entendre que l'anglais doit etre le langage universel et
>que tous les peuples de la terre doivent s'y conformer ?

English is a very important laguage... Everybody know its impact on our
daily lifes !
But is it a good thing ? In fact when a large part of men and women speak a
language, just a small part speaks it very well...
An example ? Read ths mails on this list !
Stop, I don't affirm that i speak english very well :-))) As we say in
France : "Il y a encore du pain sur la planche !".

French is one of the most beautiful languages on earth and i'm very proud to
speak it.

"A bon entendeur" !
@+
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Caen, Basse Normandie, FRANCE
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__________________________________
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----- Message d'origine -----

De : F.ONE

À : kitesurf@egroups.com

Envoyé : 31 juillet, 1999 03:19

Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Hello Michel ,

I send you a direct E mail yesterday because this not the purpose of the E group , unless someone write something to you directly .

 

I would like to precise that you should clealy write what is you concern exactly ?

Reading between the lines I might understand that the problem is coming from our argument saying that we are the first company to have develop and sell the kite with valves .

Its for sure not our invention because it was use in paragliding , but its also clear that F.ONE was the first kite maker to adatp it to kitesurfing and to put it on the market in December 98 .

 

I used Concept Air in the past and I like it , I also use a lot of other kites , like Wipika also and they are not coming back all the time with the fact that I use their kites ?

I think that before to produce my own kite I did a lot of promotion for Concept Air and Wipika  by using them around the world . How  many pages of magazines and TV I did  with your kites ??

Our relations where also good because you where the F.ONE board distributor in Canada .

 

Now I have my own design , build the way I want it for kitesurfing and our relations change a lot !

 

I don't understand why you always coming back after me , our companies are totaly different :

You are producing and designing your kite yourself in your sail loft since many years , your kites are more like a custom production really close to your customers .You have in all France only one dealer.

 

I'm working with a paragliding designer that is equip with a computer program , the prototypes are made by a French factory according to the computer design . The production kites are made outside France by a paragliding factory . Our distribution is made worlwide by distributors that are working with dealers.

 

There is nothing bad in our two differents organisation ?

They are differents on all these points but something that we have in comon is that we are both actively practicing our sport at a  high level !

We love to work into the sport that is our passion , we love to create new products that will give us more pleasure on the water or snow . Our customers can feel all this when they touch our kites !

And we are lucky that we are abble to live from it !

 

I respect your work and your way of going .

We are small fish that open a new incredible sport and market but there is some  big sharks looking at it now . Be carefull that we are not trying to eat each other before they eat us !

 

I realy hope that our relations goes a nicer way in the future , maybe we should talk directly more offen?

Sorry for all of your guys from the  E group .

 

Amicaly

Raphaël Salles

 

 

 

 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Michel Montmigny <traction@...>
À : kitesurf@egroups.com <kitesurf@egroups.com>
Date : vendredi 30 juillet 1999 16:54
Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Hello everybody,

 

About whales, I had so much emotions 2 day ago on the Saguenay Fjord.

This is a 100 km Fjord and I leave just in face of. We have 19 feet tide and salt & cold water from St-Lawrence river come up here at high tide.

I was kitesurfing with 9.0 WAVE in 8 knots and I had big fun to cruise with Belugas(small 15 foot white whales), about 40 of them not too far from me.

Last time I had experience like it, it was in 1983 during a funboard session and also one time kayaking.

 

I hope it happen to you one day, it's a great moment.

 

This morning I MUST whrite something that for few of you will sound strange, maybe long or boring. But for me it's very important to make a point on few things!

 

Since we are in the TRACTION kites business, 1991 we have worked a lot and developp a lot of new kites. We do our best to put very nice and efficient kites on the market. We are there because it's our passion and we love what we are doing.

 

Our products are certainly not so bad if you look at those results:

 

97 World Ice & Snow Sailing Champion in Course racing(myself) and long distance(my business partner Ben Tremblay) with the EX range, and that overall.

 

97  French buggy title(France) Laurent Ness  came first with the EX range

 

98  3 nd in French buggy Championship with Michel Paul

 

99 2 nd  in French buggy Championship with Michel Paul

 

99 World Ice and sailing Champion , course racing, long distances,

1st, 2nd,3nd EX'S TRACTION 

 

99 Laurent Ness did very well with our WAVE kites in kitesurfing competition and the best will come soon.  

 

We developp our products in our particular Canadian conditions(3 feet of ice during winter) and they are a lot tested all around the world.

Then we are really close from what peoples think about our kites and wich changes or ameliorations that we could bring.

 

We do have our idea about life as any kite makers do and for sure we are not perfect but we work hard to reach high quality level.

 

Why I am breaking your ears with our personnal story today is that since a while, I shout my mouth on very bad and untrue things that few kites makers spread around.

 

Did somebody eard Concept Air say something very bad about one or other kites on that planet???

I dont think so.

 

We only take care about our business and it's enough work.

 

I eard that aparently we CONCEPT AIR copyed F-ONE kites...

Let me have a big smile about it, because not too much people know that, but in fall 97 Ben and me we spend 2 weeks in France as kite makers and manufacturers talking about kitesurf and kites with Laurent Ness and Raphael Salles.(I have videos and nice pictures of it)

At that time Raphael was looking to find a kitemakers to make business with.

I dont need to tell that during those 2 weeks, we had few brainstorming about wich development could be the best for having nice kites for kitesurfing.

 

So to make it shorter, let me ask you wich is the "inventor" ;0) of the TRACTION kites with flap and net on the leading edge????????????????

I have seen it for the first time on my paraglider , long time ago.

 

And from an other hand, I will ask from a very polite way to others that have nothing else  to say or do , to stop saying stupid things about Concept Air kites.

 

If there is need I will give name.

 

Why even if we are in some business competition could we not having a fair and honest attitude between manufacturers?

This is my best wish!!!

 

To all of you , sorry if I took so much space on the list this morning.

 

Have very nice and fly safe.

 

 

Michel Montminy
http://www.conceptair.com
201 bld Tadoussac
Canton-Tremblay, Qc
G7H 5A8
Tél : (418) 545-8368
Fax : (418) 545-2288

----- Message d'origine -----

De : Raul F Argilagos

À : kitesurf@egroups.com

Envoyé : 28 juillet, 1999 22:20

Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Nice to have a beach full of whales rather than people investigating your setup on SouthBeach when kitesurfing! Raul On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:03:08 -0400 Susan M Simmons <susanal1@...> writes: >For those of you near Cape Cod: >The very tip of Cape Cod (above Provincetown) has a nice beach for >kitesurfing, especially if you also have 4 wheel drive. The beach area >near Race Point is fairly wide and it is federal land. If you don't >have >4 wheel drive, you can park (for a nominal fee) in the paved parking >lot >and walk upwind of the public beach to launch where there are very few >people. The whales sometimes come to within a quarter to half mile of >the beach, so you'll want to be careful to avoid being just downwind >of >the stinky, fishy whale breath! >Susan in Ct. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning >FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. >http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/449 > >To unsubscribe, send a message to kitesurf-unsubscribe@... > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Don,

If you and Manu were the "original" then what was Troy Navarro doing with a
skurfer and Flexis in the mid and late '80's on Maui?

Killer high wind sesh' today in the Gorge.  Tested lots of new stuff.  When
are you going to announce your Maui event with $50k prize money?  Will it be
too late for anyone who's not already on Maui?

Aloha,

Cory

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Montague <donm@...>
To: kitesurf@egroups.com <kitesurf@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 10:46 PM
Subject: [ksurf] The name KITESURFING


>The name kitesurfing came from myself and Manu Bertin we were the original
>kitesurfers on maui ,,,,we used a kite to surf the waves,,,,you can call it
>what ever you want.....
>
>how about something important like board design ...kite design ,,foils
>safety......
>
>....and I would love to meet the guy who said windsurfers
>are pansies,,,and see him out at jaws someday.....you seem to have to much
>time on the net and not enough in water.....
>
>so you can go fuck yourself...can't wait to meet you in the surf
>
>
>aloha don montague
>
>www.kitesurfing.com
>www.naishsails.com
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excel version 6 or 7.  I can't remember.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bateman <geokite@...>
To: kitesurf@egroups.com <kitesurf@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 4:01 PM
Subject: [ksurf] Re: board comparison


>Cory Roeseler wrote:
>>
>> Excel file attached
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>>            Part 1.2      Type: zz-application/zz-winassoc-xls
>>                      Encoding: base64
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>What version is that?  I'm using Excel 5.0 and I couldn't view it.
>Strangly, I also couldn't use the shift key and click in order to
>save it (so I could view it at work).
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Dear David

  Check out peter Lynns site pics and vids
  Regards
   Lachlan Beed
<5a5c1ed7.24d4d64-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/kitesurf/?start=3969
> Does anyone know where there would be some photos of anyone
flysurfing with a
> 4 line kite with handles? All I see are pictures of people using
control bars
> not handles.
>
> David

jorge_garcia/ANECOOP@... wrote:

> Hi people:

hi

> I own a Cquad 6.3 just for 3 weeks and fly it 4-5 times. I find the storage
> method ok, but not excellent, I manage to fit it into the bag by my self.
> But the disc is not that confortable to transport, wenn you are dryving a
> motorcycle :)

Argh!that'a what i thought! kites makers don't think for us!
:)))

> Of course you have to take care in not to crash it, otherwise your going to
> damage of course. Just try to start with a not strong winds.
>

i'll bet!argh i'm still waiting for it.....
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>VERY
>HARD to for non-kitesurfers to understand that they have to keep clear
>of a "kitesurfing vessel" of 50 m in width.
>
>
>
>The problem is with non-kitesurfers.  They DO NOT know how to deal
>with
>us.
>
>Hung.
>
I kitesurf in Miami FL which I is undeniably guarranteed the most
heavily boat-trafficked place on the face of the earth, and these
people simply DO NOT understand what is going on here!   I
wonder if their brains just shut down or something when they
see me kitesurfing out there. It HAS TO BE YOU that takes
responsibility out there on the water and take action to avoid
any collisions. Those goo-brained boaters certainly don't
know any better than to stand with their jaws gapping open.
My 2 cents next time I see another luxury yacht bearing down
on me at 25kts!
Raul

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From the article in the Star

Kite surfing rules

                 1. Don't kite surf in winds stronger than 10 knots.
         <snip>
      14. Wear a helmet in strong wind (25+ knots) and choppy water.


What rules are these ?? not only do they contradict but ideal kitesurfing
wind is probably in the 10-20 knot range !

>  I kitesurf in Miami FL which I is undeniably guarranteed the most
>  heavily boat-trafficked place on the face of the earth, and these
>  people simply DO NOT understand what is going on here!   I
>  wonder if their brains just shut down or something when they
>  see me kitesurfing out there. It HAS TO BE YOU that takes
>  responsibility out there on the water and take action to avoid
>  any collisions. Those goo-brained boaters certainly don't
>  know any better than to stand with their jaws gapping open.
>  My 2 cents next time I see another luxury yacht bearing down
>  on me at 25kts!

I had the same problem kitesurfing on my "tiny" lake.  So far I has
taken all the actions to avoid any collision.  However, being on a
"tiny" lake, the local boaters/windsurfers are more "space conscious",
more "well trained" and a number of them has asked me whether the
traditional sailing rules are applicable for kitesurfing and how?

They want to know the "rules" to be "in control" of the situation.

I guess they deserve a more "well thought out" answers than just "trust
me!  I will try to avoid you at all cost" or "don't worry! I am the only
kitesurfer around here".

Hung.

Ken Winner wrote:

> From: Hung Vu <hungvu@...
> > I have set up a new page on my web site to propose a set of kitesurfing
> > rules to let other water users to know what to do when we are
> > approaching each other on the water.  If we all agree on this set of
> > rules, we can effectively share the same water space with other
> > water-crafts and among ourselves.
>
> Start with the maritime rules of the road. These apply to all watercraft and
> should be understood by all watercraft.
>
> Bottom line: Except for wave sailing and racing -- special circumstances --
> the existing maritime rules of the road and every person's sense of
> self-preservation are all we need.

Every person's sense of self-preservation may be all we need, but some people
just don't see an obvious danger. Yesterday while doing a downwinder (the only
kind of kitesurfing I know how to do!) in buzzards bay, ma (a fairly busy body
of water) I had a power boat pull in parallel to watch what I was doing and
where did he pull in...you guessed it about 30m downwind of me right under my
kite. Since I'm  a begginer and not in 100% control at all time I figured as
long as I am going he will continue to watch and stay there, so I lay down
backwards and let the kite fly overhead till they lost interest and went away.

I think rules are good, but because we are such strange craft, and no one reads,
knows, or obeys  the rules anyway, we need to be really, really carefull to
avoid dangerous situations for ourselves and just as importantly for others.
This means picking your lauching and landing sites with extreme care  and
avoiding situations on the water.

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De : F.ONE

À : kitesurf@egroups.com

Envoyé : 2 août, 1999 01:23

Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Hey Michel !

Do you mean the same wave or the same WAVE your model ?

 

When you come to Montpellier to visit your French distributor , call me !

 

@+

Raphaël

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Michel Montmigny <traction@...>
À : kitesurf@egroups.com <kitesurf@egroups.com>
Date : dimanche 1 août 1999 15:58
Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

I can insure you Raph that my biggest wishes concerning both of us is that very soon we can ride the same WAVE( I'll try to follow you;0))  and have nice talk about it after.

That is things that will encourage the sport.

 

 

Michel Montminy
http://www.conceptair.com
201 bld Tadoussac
Canton-Tremblay, Qc
G7H 5A8
Tél : (418) 545-8368
Fax : (418) 545-2288

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De : F.ONE

À : kitesurf@egroups.com

Envoyé : 31 juillet, 1999 03:19

Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Hello Michel ,

I send you a direct E mail yesterday because this not the purpose of the E group , unless someone write something to you directly .

 

I would like to precise that you should clealy write what is you concern exactly ?

Reading between the lines I might understand that the problem is coming from our argument saying that we are the first company to have develop and sell the kite with valves .

Its for sure not our invention because it was use in paragliding , but its also clear that F.ONE was the first kite maker to adatp it to kitesurfing and to put it on the market in December 98 .

 

I used Concept Air in the past and I like it , I also use a lot of other kites , like Wipika also and they are not coming back all the time with the fact that I use their kites ?

I think that before to produce my own kite I did a lot of promotion for Concept Air and Wipika  by using them around the world . How  many pages of magazines and TV I did  with your kites ??

Our relations where also good because you where the F.ONE board distributor in Canada .

 

Now I have my own design , build the way I want it for kitesurfing and our relations change a lot !

 

I don't understand why you always coming back after me , our companies are totaly different :

You are producing and designing your kite yourself in your sail loft since many years , your kites are more like a custom production really close to your customers .You have in all France only one dealer.

 

I'm working with a paragliding designer that is equip with a computer program , the prototypes are made by a French factory according to the computer design . The production kites are made outside France by a paragliding factory . Our distribution is made worlwide by distributors that are working with dealers.

 

There is nothing bad in our two differents organisation ?

They are differents on all these points but something that we have in comon is that we are both actively practicing our sport at a  high level !

We love to work into the sport that is our passion , we love to create new products that will give us more pleasure on the water or snow . Our customers can feel all this when they touch our kites !

And we are lucky that we are abble to live from it !

 

I respect your work and your way of going .

We are small fish that open a new incredible sport and market but there is some  big sharks looking at it now . Be carefull that we are not trying to eat each other before they eat us !

 

I realy hope that our relations goes a nicer way in the future , maybe we should talk directly more offen?

Sorry for all of your guys from the  E group .

 

Amicaly

Raphaël Salles

 

 

 

 

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De : Michel Montmigny <traction@...>
À : kitesurf@egroups.com <kitesurf@egroups.com>
Date : vendredi 30 juillet 1999 16:54
Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Hello everybody,

 

About whales, I had so much emotions 2 day ago on the Saguenay Fjord.

This is a 100 km Fjord and I leave just in face of. We have 19 feet tide and salt & cold water from St-Lawrence river come up here at high tide.

I was kitesurfing with 9.0 WAVE in 8 knots and I had big fun to cruise with Belugas(small 15 foot white whales), about 40 of them not too far from me.

Last time I had experience like it, it was in 1983 during a funboard session and also one time kayaking.

 

I hope it happen to you one day, it's a great moment.

 

This morning I MUST whrite something that for few of you will sound strange, maybe long or boring. But for me it's very important to make a point on few things!

 

Since we are in the TRACTION kites business, 1991 we have worked a lot and developp a lot of new kites. We do our best to put very nice and efficient kites on the market. We are there because it's our passion and we love what we are doing.

 

Our products are certainly not so bad if you look at those results:

 

97 World Ice & Snow Sailing Champion in Course racing(myself) and long distance(my business partner Ben Tremblay) with the EX range, and that overall.

 

97  French buggy title(France) Laurent Ness  came first with the EX range

 

98  3 nd in French buggy Championship with Michel Paul

 

99 2 nd  in French buggy Championship with Michel Paul

 

99 World Ice and sailing Champion , course racing, long distances,

1st, 2nd,3nd EX'S TRACTION 

 

99 Laurent Ness did very well with our WAVE kites in kitesurfing competition and the best will come soon.  

 

We developp our products in our particular Canadian conditions(3 feet of ice during winter) and they are a lot tested all around the world.

Then we are really close from what peoples think about our kites and wich changes or ameliorations that we could bring.

 

We do have our idea about life as any kite makers do and for sure we are not perfect but we work hard to reach high quality level.

 

Why I am breaking your ears with our personnal story today is that since a while, I shout my mouth on very bad and untrue things that few kites makers spread around.

 

Did somebody eard Concept Air say something very bad about one or other kites on that planet???

I dont think so.

 

We only take care about our business and it's enough work.

 

I eard that aparently we CONCEPT AIR copyed F-ONE kites...

Let me have a big smile about it, because not too much people know that, but in fall 97 Ben and me we spend 2 weeks in France as kite makers and manufacturers talking about kitesurf and kites with Laurent Ness and Raphael Salles.(I have videos and nice pictures of it)

At that time Raphael was looking to find a kitemakers to make business with.

I dont need to tell that during those 2 weeks, we had few brainstorming about wich development could be the best for having nice kites for kitesurfing.

 

So to make it shorter, let me ask you wich is the "inventor" ;0) of the TRACTION kites with flap and net on the leading edge????????????????

I have seen it for the first time on my paraglider , long time ago.

 

And from an other hand, I will ask from a very polite way to others that have nothing else  to say or do , to stop saying stupid things about Concept Air kites.

 

If there is need I will give name.

 

Why even if we are in some business competition could we not having a fair and honest attitude between manufacturers?

This is my best wish!!!

 

To all of you , sorry if I took so much space on the list this morning.

 

Have very nice and fly safe.

 

 

Michel Montminy
http://www.conceptair.com
201 bld Tadoussac
Canton-Tremblay, Qc
G7H 5A8
Tél : (418) 545-8368
Fax : (418) 545-2288

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À : kitesurf@egroups.com

Envoyé : 28 juillet, 1999 22:20

Objet : [ksurf] Re: A Nice Place to Kitesurf in New England

Nice to have a beach full of whales rather than people investigating your setup on SouthBeach when kitesurfing! Raul On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:03:08 -0400 Susan M Simmons <susanal1@...> writes: >For those of you near Cape Cod: >The very tip of Cape Cod (above Provincetown) has a nice beach for >kitesurfing, especially if you also have 4 wheel drive. The beach area >near Race Point is fairly wide and it is federal land. If you don't >have >4 wheel drive, you can park (for a nominal fee) in the paved parking >lot >and walk upwind of the public beach to launch where there are very few >people. The whales sometimes come to within a quarter to half mile of >the beach, so you'll want to be careful to avoid being just downwind >of >the stinky, fishy whale breath! >Susan in Ct. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning >FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. >http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/449 > >To unsubscribe, send a message to kitesurf-unsubscribe@... > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Hi folks,

There is a kite festival on Nahant Beach in Revere, Mass this Saturday (Aug.
7). There will be all kinds of stunt kites, traction kites, big single line
kites, buggies (if there is room on the beach), etc. I'm going down with my
regular kite stuff, buggy & kitesurfing stuff. If the conditions are good
for kitesurfing I'll be out on the water. There might be other kitesurfers
there, too. The event is put on by Kites Over New England. Come check it out
if you're in the area with nothing to do.

Mark Frasier

1 hi-tech 7'6" bill foote kiteboard (used once)      $750
1 hi-tech 6'4" bill foote kiteboard                        $575
1 sean ordonez 6'4" kiteboard                           $550
2 hawaiian proline reel booms                           $750 each
2 hawaiian proline fixed booms                          $150 each
2 wipika 5.0 kites                                             $600 each
1 wipika 3.5 kite                                               $450

located in san francisco.  call 415-567-8500 if interested.
dave