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Re: RES: [ksurf] Fully sheet out kites

Have you guys tried a flysurfer psycho?
I have a 15.5 and it is a very powerful kite.
If you have a chance to look at a bridle while flying you will be very
confused.
It can depower quite a bit.
I have only ridden with it 4 or 5 times. last time I went out in 6 to 8 mph
and a big board and was able to stay up wind.

It definitely takes some getting used to and it does turn slowly but it
turns!.
At full power it is more powerful than a 20 LEI and a full depower I think it
is close to a 9 or 12.
I do not have enough experience in heavy wind to be sure. I did have to swim
up wind to get my board in about 18 and I could do it with the kite fully
depowered.
I also have an xxxl that probably flies in less wind because it is lighter
but not by much and I can not depower it at all.

Anyway back to the bridle. There are 3 lines. the middle line is attached
to the brake lines so that when you throw away the bar the kite flips on its
back and lies face up ready to relaunch.
When you pull the bar back the A bridle(top) and the B bridle(middle) pivot
off of the brake line. there are sliding rings and pulleys so it is not easy
to describe in words.
At maximum power the A lines and B lines are balanced so that there is power
in both of them. when you pull on the depower strap(like on a LEI kite).
You are tightening the middle line which is now making most of the force go
to the A lines.
It sounds confusing but it does work. It is a foil kite that depowers quite
a bit to give a range of an equivalent LEI of 10 or 12 meters to 23 or 25
meters.

I do not work for them. I have inflatables and I have other foils. This one
does depower a lot.
The way the middle line goes from being a brake line to the B/A line
regulator is similar to the way the lines work in the Cabrinha recon system
where the
front and rear lines are a continuos loop with stoppers to lock it into the
powered position.
George


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Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:15 am

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I had this talk with a number of expert kite designers in the past (kite designers with more than 15 years experiences, not 1 to 5 years experience kite...
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Sep 16, 2003
12:38 am

=== good point Hung Vu. When I was in Cabo Verde (Cape Verde) I tried the ADVANCE kite which was similar to the SEASMIK which was similar to some other French...
Stefano Rosso
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Sep 16, 2003
12:37 pm

Stefano, Didn't Seasmik made some good size kite (11.5 m2 or so probably the same range as a 15 LEI)? With some simple integrated bridle system, we may be able...
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Sep 16, 2003
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Stefano, Didn't Seasmik made some good size kite (11.5 m2 or so probably the same range as a 15 LEI)? With some simple integrated bridle system, we may be able...
Stefano Rosso
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Sep 17, 2003
12:34 am

Seasmik did make a LEI that fully sheeted out. I have one. But it was not a sled it was basically a LEI single skin foil. It used a bridle to flatten the...
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kite_head
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Sep 16, 2003
7:32 pm

... achieve 100% depower unless the front lines can move from the wing tips to a point closer to the center. I experimented with this once with some ... This...
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Sep 16, 2003
10:56 pm

Hey Steve, did your experiments look anything like this? http://www.usakite.com/lift2.htm ... was ... ideas ... with it. ... it ... depower ... make ... hook...
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Sep 21, 2003
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Have you guys tried a flysurfer psycho? I have a 15.5 and it is a very powerful kite. If you have a chance to look at a bridle while flying you will be very ...
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Sep 17, 2003
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... system where the ... into the ... I am not sure who comes up with the "back line/front line as a continous loop" idea, Flysurfer or Cabrinha (in their...
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Sep 17, 2003
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... Well, last year we discussed about this here and it looks like this year Windwing is coming out with a very similar system allowing 90% to 100% depowerable...
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Hello, My new email is windjosue@... ... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. ...
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Hi everybody, I am complete profane in this and I need proffesional help. Who can explain me the difference between chicken loop and trip loop. Tnx E ... Do...
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Sep 17, 2003
10:05 am

Trim loop and Chicken loop are the same... but usually chicken loop ain't a fixed loop Chicken loop, or trim loop, is used to control the power of the kite...
Dreadlord 2
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Sep 17, 2003
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Many tank's Greg! Peace E Dreadlord 2 <dreadlord2@...> wrote: Trim loop and Chicken loop are the same... but usually chicken loop ain't a fixed loop ...
Emilia Naoumova
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Sep 17, 2003
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What I did to Seasmikize my Wipi 8.5 Classic was to sew some attach points near center of leading edge, then run lines from standard front attach points to...
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Sep 17, 2003
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Steve, If you add the "front lines and back lines as a continuous loop" idea (from Flysurfer Psycho or RECON - I don't know who copy who) to your design then...
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Sep 17, 2003
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Yes and No The front lines were on sliders like this but the sliders were much longer. About 3 feet. They ran from the front attach point to the leading edge...
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