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RES: [ksurf] Fully sheet out kites

=== good point Hung Vu. When I was in Cabo Verde (Cape Verde) I tried
the ADVANCE kite which was similar to the SEASMIK which was similar to
some other French company as well.. It was a LEI kite with a half bridle
that could be sheeted out like a sail.. Basically you could sheet it out
100%... Those kites never seemed to make it in the market because they
didn't scale well when you made them big. The biggest was a 6 m kite -
equivalent to a naish 9.0. Problem was you couldn't make them stiff
enough if you made them bigger...

I tried the advance kite - it was the 5.0 and it was pretty windy and
gusty - ideal conditions for that kite... And it flew ok and could be
depowered almost fully (I don't think you want total depower or the kite
will fall).. But ... I didn't really like the style with which it
flew... If you werent real good at dealing with the depower (fine tuning
all the time) you tended to loose power very easily... Of course I only
flew it twice and any kite you need some time to get adjusted to but the
market didn't respond to these kites either... Maybe we will get back to
them in the future ?

====


I had this talk with a number of expert kite designers in the past (kite
designers with more than 15 years experiences, not 1 to 5 years
experience kite designers) and ask them why don't they give kite flyers
full control of the kite (i.e., be able to sheet out the kite 100% like
in sailing - for those who DON'T KNOW, this is when we can depower the
kite %100 - and those who want to depower the kite 300%, please talk to
Stefano ;-).

The answers I got back that they don't trust kite flyers and afraid that
kite flyers would stall the kite and blame the designer for a bad
design.

So this trend seems to be persistence until today (the young designers
probably don't even know why it is designed this way),
kiteflyers/kitesurfers can only control the kite to a certain point
because kite designers don't trust our ability to keep the kite in the
air.

The kitesurfing/kitesnowboarding/kiteskiing company that can give 100%
control of the kite (or at least a larger percentage of it) may likely
create a new trend that may change our sport drastically.

Hung.





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Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:36 pm

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I had this talk with a number of expert kite designers in the past (kite designers with more than 15 years experiences, not 1 to 5 years experience kite...
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=== good point Hung Vu. When I was in Cabo Verde (Cape Verde) I tried the ADVANCE kite which was similar to the SEASMIK which was similar to some other French...
Stefano Rosso
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Sep 16, 2003
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Stefano, Didn't Seasmik made some good size kite (11.5 m2 or so probably the same range as a 15 LEI)? With some simple integrated bridle system, we may be able...
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Stefano, Didn't Seasmik made some good size kite (11.5 m2 or so probably the same range as a 15 LEI)? With some simple integrated bridle system, we may be able...
Stefano Rosso
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Sep 17, 2003
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Seasmik did make a LEI that fully sheeted out. I have one. But it was not a sled it was basically a LEI single skin foil. It used a bridle to flatten the...
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Sep 16, 2003
7:32 pm

... achieve 100% depower unless the front lines can move from the wing tips to a point closer to the center. I experimented with this once with some ... This...
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Sep 16, 2003
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Hey Steve, did your experiments look anything like this? http://www.usakite.com/lift2.htm ... was ... ideas ... with it. ... it ... depower ... make ... hook...
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Sep 21, 2003
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Have you guys tried a flysurfer psycho? I have a 15.5 and it is a very powerful kite. If you have a chance to look at a bridle while flying you will be very ...
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Sep 17, 2003
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... system where the ... into the ... I am not sure who comes up with the "back line/front line as a continous loop" idea, Flysurfer or Cabrinha (in their...
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Sep 17, 2003
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... Well, last year we discussed about this here and it looks like this year Windwing is coming out with a very similar system allowing 90% to 100% depowerable...
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Hello, My new email is windjosue@... ... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. ...
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Hi everybody, I am complete profane in this and I need proffesional help. Who can explain me the difference between chicken loop and trip loop. Tnx E ... Do...
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Sep 17, 2003
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Trim loop and Chicken loop are the same... but usually chicken loop ain't a fixed loop Chicken loop, or trim loop, is used to control the power of the kite...
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Many tank's Greg! Peace E Dreadlord 2 <dreadlord2@...> wrote: Trim loop and Chicken loop are the same... but usually chicken loop ain't a fixed loop ...
Emilia Naoumova
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Sep 17, 2003
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What I did to Seasmikize my Wipi 8.5 Classic was to sew some attach points near center of leading edge, then run lines from standard front attach points to...
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Steve, If you add the "front lines and back lines as a continuous loop" idea (from Flysurfer Psycho or RECON - I don't know who copy who) to your design then...
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Yes and No The front lines were on sliders like this but the sliders were much longer. About 3 feet. They ran from the front attach point to the leading edge...
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