Here's what I have heard about area runners:

For sure/likely:
Danny Miller - 100
Jenn Bernstein  - 100
Brad Bishop - 100
Darin Schneidewind - 100
Greg Vaughn - 100
Debbie Webster - 100
Angie Shellito - 50
John Kevern - 50
Deb Johnson - Crew/Pacer
Julie Toft - Crew/Pacer
James T. Barker, Esq. - Jack of all Trades
Sam Kevern - Crew/Pacer
Schneidewind Clan - Crew
Ian Bernstein - Crew

Possibly?:
Nick Lang - 50/100
Colleen Voeks - 50/100
Sophia Wharton - 50/100
Ben Holmes - 100
Muffie Keonin - 100
Brian Longfellow - Crew/Pacer
Plus oodles more for crewing/pacing.

Cheers & God Bless,
Brad



--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Danny Miller <danrdanny@...> wrote:
>
> In the 100?
>
> This is how rumors get started!
>
> Danny
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Julie Toft <jtoft40@...> wrote:
> > Deb Johnson and I are crewing/pacing Debbie W.  :-)
> >
> > Danny Miller wrote:
> >>
> >>       Greetings all, in case my counting is faulty (I did have to use a
toe)
> >> it's 11 weeks to Rocky Raccoon.  Eeek?
> >> I'm curious who all from the area is going for sure.  Be it
> >> running/crewing/ pacing/oogling/ drinking/ whatever.  The published
> >> entrant list is long and distinguished (insert Top Gun joke here) but
> >> short on local names I recognize.
> >> Danny
> >>    
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

In the 100?

This is how rumors get started!

Danny

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Julie Toft <jtoft40@...> wrote:
> Deb Johnson and I are crewing/pacing Debbie W.  :-)
>
> Danny Miller wrote:
>>
>>       Greetings all, in case my counting is faulty (I did have to use a toe)
>> it's 11 weeks to Rocky Raccoon.  Eeek?
>> I'm curious who all from the area is going for sure.  Be it
>> running/crewing/ pacing/oogling/ drinking/ whatever.  The published
>> entrant list is long and distinguished (insert Top Gun joke here) but
>> short on local names I recognize.
>> Danny
>>    
>
>
>
>
>

Greetings all, in case my counting is faulty (I did have to use a toe)
it's 11 weeks to Rocky Raccoon.  Eeek?

I'm curious who all from the area is going for sure.  Be it
running/crewing/pacing/oogling/drinking/whatever.  The published
entrant list is long and distinguished (insert Top Gun joke here) but
short on local names I recognize.

Danny

Hey Ben,

Good to know, thanks - that's the kind of info I was looking for.  I'm not
surprised it was used at one time, and it makes sense that replacement products
have been developed in the mean time.  Just didn't know how original of a
thought it was, and whether it was worth trying.

Thanks & God Bless,
Brad


--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Ben Holmes <badbendrs@...> wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
> It was all the rage as an ultrafuel about 10 - 15 years ago.  It's hard to
carry with you, and you have to spend time to dig it out of your drop bag. 
Those were the main drawbacks, and why it fell out of favor, I guess.
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brad <bishopbr@...>
> To: kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 9:57:45 PM
> Subject: [kctrailrunning] Baby Food?
>
>  
> Not that I'm trying to hit the auto-limit function for posts w/in 24 hours,
but...
>
> One of my housemates is pregnant, and I've been wondering about the
possibility of baby food as an ultra fuel. Bland, processed, easily digestible
real (mostly) food - anyone tried it or have thoughts?
>
> Cheers & God Bless,
> Brad
>

Hey Dave,

I don't know if my mileage was typical or not for training; I did what felt
right, with a touch of "we'll see what happens", and didn't bother to do as much
research as I usually do on these kind of things.  Basically, I was averaging
60-70 miles a week from 10 weeks out to 2 weeks out, with a peak of 91 miles
four weeks out.  These were pretty much all long runs, as I was only getting in
about 4 runs per week, and I got to the point where 15mi was no great shakes,
which definitely helped me as I was going point-to-point at Ozark.  My training
typically included either back-to-back 15-20 milers on Fri/Sat, or an ultra on
Sat.

I kind of raced my way into training - I did a 50K 6 weeks out (Flatrock), a
50mi 4 weeks out (Heartland), and another 50mi 2 weeks out (Blue Springs). 
Heartland, was the key for me.  It was far enough out that I could race it &
still have time to recover, and I finished still feeling like I had at least
another 20mi left in my legs, so that was my mental anchor.  The 50mi I did 2
weeks out was against the advice of Kyle Amos, among others, but it was at Blue
Springs, which is a very easy, flat crushed limestone trail.  I did not race
that, but rather ran the whole thing as slow as I could without compromising my
stride.  It was mostly practice to make sure I could keep to a regular fueling &
walk break schedule, which was the Achilles heel of my prep that far, and to see
if doing so I could finish 50 miles in the easiest conditions possible without
much wear and tear, which was pretty much the case.  Doing that also meant I had
to cut more miles out of the last two weeks before the race than I would like,
to make sure I had recovered in time, but it did work well for me.

I could probably add more, but that seems like the most relevant details.  If
you're thinking of doing a 100, come down to Rocky Raccoon in February with us! 
There will be a big group, and we'll all be training together. :)

See you on the trails!
Cheers & God Bless,
Brad



--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, "David Salavitch" <adhos@...> wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
>
>
> I'd be interested to know the amount of mileage you were putting in daily /
> weekly to build up to the 100.  Did you do weekly long runs?  If so, how
> long?
>
>
>
> Dave / Lee' Summit
>
>
>
> From: kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Brad
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:58 PM
> To: kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [kctrailrunning] Baby Food?
>
>
>
>
>
> Not that I'm trying to hit the auto-limit function for posts w/in 24 hours,
> but...
>
> One of my housemates is pregnant, and I've been wondering about the
> possibility of baby food as an ultra fuel. Bland, processed, easily
> digestible real (mostly) food - anyone tried it or have thoughts?
>
> Cheers & God Bless,
> Brad
>

 

But say you empty the contents into flasks, or just have it in your drop bags?

--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Paul Sidwell <psidwell@...> wrote:
>
> It would get real annoying with all those jars rattling around in the pack
> for all those miles... Plus some might break, and if it's a hot race that
> could turn nasty with a quickness.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Brad <bishopbr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Not that I'm trying to hit the auto-limit function for posts w/in 24 hours,
> > but...
> >
> > One of my housemates is pregnant, and I've been wondering about the
> > possibility of baby food as an ultra fuel. Bland, processed, easily
> > digestible real (mostly) food - anyone tried it or have thoughts?
> >
> > Cheers & God Bless,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
>

I'd like to make my first message here a thank you to Ben and all the fine
volunteers who help make last Sunday's Vets run such an outstanding event.  As a
newcomer I did not catch everyone's name and you all deserve kudos.  I'd like to
take special notice of  Dick Ross for the fine photos; the crew that marked out
the course so clearly (could have used a static line on some of those hills) and
that fine youngster (Michael, I presume) who stayed out in the field (for what
must have seemed forever) to provide an encouraging smile and “only about a
mile to go” - thanks it helped.

It turns out that trail running is far more interesting, fun and challenging
then I had expected.  Thanks to everyone involved.

--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Ben Holmes <badbendrs@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Shelley.  We had some great help.  You, Mel Baldridge, Travis
Kierre, Amy Hearting, Michael (Barefoot Josh's son), Coco, Keith, and Dick Ross.
>
> And we again had a good turnout.  We had a lot of first-timers and a few Vets
that had fun out there.
>
> Happy trails,
> Ben & Sophia
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Shelley <shellflones@...>
> To: kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 8:18:50 AM
> Subject: [kctrailrunning] Vets Day Run 2009
>
>  
> Hey All,
>
> I posted some finish line photos that I took yesterday. They are a little out
of order because a few didn't upload the first time. They're no 'Dick Ross'
photos, but there should be one of every finisher. What a fun event and a
beautiful day for a race!
>
> Thanks Ben and Sophia for putting on yet another great event!
>
> Shelley
>

I'm probably not the best running partner â€" I don't always have very
predictable hours due to my work.  I usually have been running at night but I'd
been thinking about changing to the morning anyway.  I'd probably slow you down
a bit â€" last street 10k I managed about 8:50 pace.  I also usually have a bit
of trouble (knees) going beyond 10 miles @ 10-ish pace.  Man, when I write it
down, it really sounds like I have one foot in the grave, doesn't it?   
However, I'm at 151st & Antioch so that is pretty close by.   I'd be happy to
try to work out some morning runs with you.  I'm sure this group is probably
pretty secure but, if you'd rather not announce your plans, you can email me
directly ( jgallalee@... )

I'm running the Pilgrim Pacer ½ marathon this Saturday â€" which is long way
for me so, I'll be sore but let me know if you'd like try to arrange something
â€" if we keep it pretty short, maybe something  Sunday afternoon as "a get to
know you."

BTW,  I know indoor track is not the same training but, my wife and I belong to
that Planet Fitness over @ 135th and Nieman.  It was pretty cheap too.  I run
there sometimes â€" when I don't want to run in the dark.

--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Outlaw <outlawgirlsmom@...>
wrote:
>
> Thank you so much, everyone.  This has been a shocking, scary experience, and
I hope no one else ever goes through it.  I am really surprised that I feel so
victimized - this was someone I knew well, but that was several years ago, and
to have this person do such erratic things now (at one point, he followed me,
and U-turned several times, watching me, and I was so frightened I ran right out
into traffic on Metcalf and then ran so fast and hard to get away that I got
lost), it is just inconceivable.  I am asking myself all kinds of crazy things
like, what did I do to deserve this, how did he even notice me on the sidewalk,
etc. 
>  
> My first plan is to get a dog - we were going to do that anyway, since I am a
single mom and the kids now feel worried that someone will harm us.  How do you
start running wiht a dog, and maybe a stupid question, but for a semi-klutz like
me an important one - how do you keep from tripping on the leash?
>  
> Also, I don't suppose anyone is near 135th and Nall or Metcalf?  Or,
alternatively, because I am willing to drive and park to run (have done it alot
now), does anyone run really early (5:30 or 6) in the general OP area? 
Finally, I suppose I should ask if there are many people as slow as me - I run
8ish minute miles or so, but am slower on the trail.
>  
> Thanks again for your support.  I am pretty shook up and just cannot
understand why anyone would do this.  I did try very hard to get in touch with
the person to ask him WHY he was doing it, to give him an opportunity to dispell
my fears or at least a chance to quit, but that did not work.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Shelley Flones <shellflones@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Shelley Flones <shellflones@...>
> Subject: Re: [kctrailrunning] Re: Stalked while running
> To: "kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com" <kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:46 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Wow! I'm with Brad on this one...I even hate carrying a water bottle, let
alone a doberman ;)
>
> I hate to be master of the obvious here, but you now have access to hundreds
of potential running partners! Where and when do you like to run? We're a
flexible bunch and I'm always looking for a running buddy!
>
> Shelley
> 'Flying Mudbabe'
>
>
> -- Sent from my Palm PrÄ"
>
>
> Brad wrote:
>
>  
>
> You must have a strong back in addition to strong legs! I don't know if I
could carry a poodle (or Chiweagle) while running, let along a doberman. ;-D
>
> Cheers & God Bless,
> Brad
>
> --- In kctrailrunning@ yahoogroups. com, Dawn Mills <runin4christ@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, dogs are better.  I carry a doberman.
> >
> > >O >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0
> > >0 Run for His life! >0
> > >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Emily Horn <n2thinair09@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Emily Horn <n2thinair09@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [kctrailrunning] Stalked while running
> > To: kctrailrunning@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 7:07 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > They make pepper spray for runners that comes in a holder that slips over
your hand. I have a friend who is a Ninja (yeah seriously) and says that pepper
spray is better than mace. They also make loud whistles that some people out
here carry when hiking incase of bears (theoretically anyway). They also make
very large dogs...which makes me feel more safe than any of the above ;)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Stephanie Outlaw <outlawgirlsmom@
yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any extra safety suggestions to help me feel secure as I
run? 
> >  
> >  I just had to get a stalking order against someone I know, who stalked
me several times as I ran and in fact showed up at a race I ran far from home,
stared at me and my child, paced, and generally acted in a suspicious way and
then left before the race began. 
> >  
> > The stalking order is a good start, but now I am very very nervous about
running anywhere alone, and don't have a running partner.  Has anyone run
carrying mace? 
> >
>

But say you empty the contents into flasks, or just have it in your drop bags?



--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Paul Sidwell <psidwell@...> wrote:
>
> It would get real annoying with all those jars rattling around in the pack
> for all those miles...  Plus some might break, and if it's a hot race that
> could turn nasty with a quickness.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Brad <bishopbr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Not that I'm trying to hit the auto-limit function for posts w/in 24 hours,
> > but...
> >
> > One of my housemates is pregnant, and I've been wondering about the
> > possibility of baby food as an ultra fuel. Bland, processed, easily
> > digestible real (mostly) food - anyone tried it or have thoughts?
> >
> > Cheers & God Bless,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
>

Not that I'm trying to hit the auto-limit function for posts w/in 24 hours,
but...

One of my housemates is pregnant, and I've been wondering about the possibility
of baby food as an ultra fuel.  Bland, processed, easily digestible real
(mostly) food - anyone tried it or have thoughts?

Cheers & God Bless,
Brad

Howdy All,

If anyone would find this useful, I've uploaded the annotated listing of gear I
had packed in each of my drop bags / in my crew box.  I felt well-prepared
except for two things listed below, and hope this helps others in their
preparation.  Keep in mind that this was my first start and finish of a hundred
miler, and I've been doing ultras for less than a year, so I'm still figuring
this out too.  The checklist thread of Kevin Sayer's site also helped me quite a
bit: (http://www.ultrunr.com/checklist.html)

Looking forward to next year!

Cheers & God Bless,
Brad

Gear I Missed:
-My hydration pack was much too small (1L) for the aid station distances in the
afternoon heat.  Having a hand-held for easy addition of extra capacity would
have been nice, but snagging the bottle from my Nathan Triangle pack worked in a
pinch
-Once my shin really started tweaking, I tried IcyHot, but I couldn't even feel
it.  Something stronger, like BioFreeze, might have been nice

Tonight--The AMC theater in Olathe is playing the movie Race Across The Sky at
7pm. This the movie that was filmed of the 100 mile Leadville Mountain Bike Race
this August. It features Lance Armstrong. Also you will see Willie Lambert, Andy
Henshaw, and myself working the Columbine aid station (the highest point on the
course). If you are interested you can learn more about this at
www.raceacrossthesky.com.  I might see you there!!!!

This is an area that I've thought about alot - safety as a woman, running alone.
It's basically the only reason I have seeked out a running group - especially
when it comes to safety during the long run (you're out there for hours and
usually want to pick an out-of-the-way place you can run uninterrupted for
hours).  It's dissapointing, but I think a fact, that all of us, but especially
woman need to be vigilant and cautious.

My dad is a former police officer and gave me the same advice someone else on
here wrote and that's to ****never keep a schedule***.  He was referring to your
everyday life, not just running.  Be unpredictable as possible.  I know that's
not possible when it comes to work sometimes, etc.. or picking up your kiddo
from school or something but, otherwise, try to be sporatic about your errands
and habits.

Also, I carried pepper spray for awhile (until it leaked on my pocket and got on
my nose when I wiped w/my snot rag from that same pocket! yikes, hurt).  My dad
had picked it out - - it was small so I could put it on a key ring OR even more
importantly, carry in my hand unnoticed by an assailant.  Suprise attack =
suprise comeback.  :) I got it from Gallyans or whatever, which is now Dick's
Sporting Goods at the Town Center Plaza, 119th/Roe.  I think they were upstairs
in camping... ??  It was perfect and light.  I even practiced w/it.  Just make
sure you know which way the wind comes from b4 spraying. :D

The other thing that I do is always, always, always, let one or more people know
where I am and how long I estimate driving there and how long it will take to
run.  I have even gone so far as to leave a note in my house, incase I didn't
make it home at the appointed time and I've also even texted a friend and told
her to call me in a couple hrs if I don't call her.
So establish someone who not only knows where you are but expects you to make
contact at an appointed time.
Another thing you can do is ask the cops to drive around the area I'm going to
be running in.  A couple times there were Military Police near where I was
getting to run on a post and I just let them know what I was doing and how long
I'd be out by myself so they could just be aware for me and they actually drove
by me sporatically and acknowleged me.  I really felt safe and looked after out
there..
Another thing you need to do is always know your escape route.  When I'm running
by myself at this one big loop - - it's rare that a car drives by but when they
do I literaly think to myself, if they stop and harass me at all, where is my
out?  Where do I run, top speed, which direction, to where the moment I think I
need to.  I plan my escape noting where is the nearest person... nearest house,
etc.

One thing about the dog - - - I got one when I was single for safety (and
companionship) and to run with for fun.  But, I realized that having to take her
out at night, in the dark, scared me too!  I had to, of course, do it a couple
times in the evening - and walk her out there - and basically felt like I was
just exposing myself more to being out alone when I could be in my apt.   just a
thought i had... but you might think about it unless you have a fenced in back
yard.

Lastly, just as a reminder - not sure if you're using your real name or common
email address on this board but if this person at all "googles" you or internet
stalks you, it may be a good idea to use a very fake name/new email addy.  Hold
back from very personal references or telling where you run or setting up to
meet ppl on here.  Email ppl directly - so it's a private and no one, who you do
not want, can track all your new meetings with this group!

Good luck - keep safe!!

http://triplebradbb.blogspot.com/2009/11/ot100.html

Be warned: what it lacks in brevity it more than makes up for in verboseness.
:-P

Cheers & God Bless,
Brad

Sheeley,
Train your dog to walk on your left. It will be a natural for them. Keep the
leash semi loose and if he doesn't stay at your pace and right beside you tell
him to heel. We took ours to obedience school. Good luck!
Scott Oakes
King Waddler

This is not illusion of insanity...
This is actual, mind-boggling, bang your head with a hammer nuts!
                                                      -ips
-----Original Message-----
From: kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephanie Outlaw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:42 AM
To: kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [kctrailrunning] Re: Stalked while running



Thank you so much, everyone.  This has been a shocking, scary experience, and I
hope no one else ever goes through it.  I am really surprised that I feel so
victimized - this was someone I knew well, but that was several years ago, and
to have this person do such erratic things now (at one point, he followed me,
and U-turned several times, watching me, and I was so frightened I ran right out
into traffic on Metcalf and then ran so fast and hard to get away that I got
lost), it is just inconceivable.  I am asking myself all kinds of crazy things
like, what did I do to deserve this, how did he even notice me on the sidewalk,
etc.

My first plan is to get a dog - we were going to do that anyway, since I am a
single mom and the kids now feel worried that someone will harm us.  How do you
start running wiht a dog, and maybe a stupid question, but for a semi-klutz like
me an important one - how do you keep from tripping on the leash?

Also, I don't suppose anyone is near 135th and Nall or Metcalf?  Or,
alternatively, because I am willing to drive and park to run (have done it alot
now), does anyone run really early (5:30 or 6) in the general OP area?  Finally,
I suppose I should ask if there are many people as slow as me - I run 8ish
minute miles or so, but am slower on the trail.

Thanks again for your support.  I am pretty shook up and just cannot understand
why anyone would do this.  I did try very hard to get in touch with the person
to ask him WHY he was doing it, to give him an opportunity to dispell my fears
or at least a chance to quit, but that did not work.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Shelley Flones <shellflones@...> wrote:



	 From: Shelley Flones <shellflones@...>
	 Subject: Re: [kctrailrunning] Re: Stalked while running
	 To: "kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com" <kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com>
	 Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:46 AM



	 Wow! I'm with Brad on this one...I even hate carrying a water bottle, let alone
a doberman ;)

	 I hate to be master of the obvious here, but you now have access to hundreds of
potential running partners! Where and when do you like to run? We're a flexible
bunch and I'm always looking for a running buddy!

	 Shelley
	 'Flying Mudbabe'


	 -- Sent from my Palm Prē

________________________________

	 Brad wrote:


	 You must have a strong back in addition to strong legs! I don't know if I could
carry a poodle (or Chiweagle) while running, let along a doberman. ;-D

	 Cheers & God Bless,
	 Brad

	 --- In kctrailrunning@ yahoogroups. com
<http://us.mc574.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kctrailrunning%40yahoogroups.com>
, Dawn Mills <runin4christ@ ...> wrote:
	 >
	 > Yeah, dogs are better.Ă‚  I carry a doberman.
	 >
	 > >O >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0
	 > >0 Run for His life! >0
	 > >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0
	 >
	 > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Emily Horn <n2thinair09@ ...> wrote:
	 >
	 >
	 > From: Emily Horn <n2thinair09@ ...>
	 > Subject: Re: [kctrailrunning] Stalked while running
	 > To: kctrailrunning@ yahoogroups. com
<http://us.mc574.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kctrailrunning%40yahoogroups.com>
	 > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 7:07 AM
	 >
	 >
	 > Ă‚
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 > They make pepper spray for runners that comes in a holder that slips over
your hand. I have a friend who is a Ninja (yeah seriously) and says that pepper
spray is better than mace. They also make loud whistles that some people out
here carry when hiking incase of bears (theoretically anyway). They also make
very large dogs...which makes me feel more safe than any of the above ;)
	 >
	 >
	 > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Stephanie Outlaw <outlawgirlsmom@ yahoo.com>
wrote:
	 >
	 >
	 > Ă‚
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 > Does anyone have any extra safety suggestions to help me feel secure as I
run?Ă‚
	 > Ă‚
	 > Ă‚ I just had to get a stalking order against someone I know, who stalked me
several times as I ran and in fact showed up at a race I ran far from home,
stared at me and my child, paced, and generally acted in a suspicious way and
then left before the race began.Ă‚
	 > Ă‚
	 > The stalking order is a good start, but now I am very very nervous about
running anywhere alone, and don't have a running partner.Ă‚  Has anyone run
carrying mace?Ă‚
	 >