Quite a few of us are, yes :)

But if anyone wants to put in a loop before the work starts, I'll likely be
rolling into Shelter #11 @ 5:30a.  Bring a headlamp!

Cheers & God Bless,
Brad



--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Erica Carper <erica7135@...> wrote:
>
> so are we doing this instead of the 7:15am run?
>
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Ben Holmes <badbendrs@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ben Holmes <badbendrs@...>
> Subject: [kctrailrunning] Reminder: Wyandotte County Lake Park Trail Building
Day
> To: "kctrailrunning" <kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 1:26 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Earn Your Dirt:
>  
> Maintenance & trail building
> November 21, 2009 - Wyandotte County Lake Park
> Trail Mason & ERTA - Joint Event
> Shelter #11 - 8:00am
> Volunteer RSVP Link:
> http://www.surveymo nkey.com/ s.aspx?sm= _2ftAUeSg4nYuGAH eCIApV1w_ 3d_3d
>

Hey Andy,

Here's the basics:
-During the race, I had a dull ache in the lower part of my shin/high ankle that
turned into sharp, gasp-causing pains.  Especially bad on downhills, with the
way my foot would flex, hurt on flat, mediocre on uphills.
-Immediately post-race, I had trouble moving anything below my left knee at all
without pain.  Foot/ankle swelling, red inflamed streak over the major tendon on
the front of my ankle, a few other details that I'm having trouble
remembering/describing well now
-In the three days that followed, it stopped being continually sore but would
hurt whenever I moved my foot - up, down or side to side.  Sharp only if I moved
my foot quickly at an angle.  Inflammation went away after 60hrs.
-Tuesday, I was running, and the combination of pavement & hills got it tweaking
again.  Not so much the tendon, but a bit higher up, more on the lower part of
the leg where soccer/football shinguards would be covering.  Was a bit
nerve-wracking, because it did cause some pain memory of that also hurting
during the OT100, and definitely wasn't the tendon.  Ran this morning, though,
and it was fine (rocky, moderately hilly trails).

Thanks! & God Bless,
Brad


--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, "henshaw_andrew" <henshawa@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Brad,
>
> It might help to put your symptoms on a message so people could read a little
bit about the pain you're feeling.. Personally, I thought I had a stress
fracture before the Brew to Brew race last year but it ended up being muscular. 
I think a small muscle in my calf was extremely fatigued, and I'd imagine your
muscles were under a bit of stress after that 100 miler.  If you wouldn't mind,
could you give a small description of your symptoms?  Thanks, and best of luck
with the healing process.
>
> -Andy
>
> --- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Emily Horn <n2thinair09@> wrote:
> >
> > If it were me, I would wait and see first. That being said...when it WAS me
> > many years ago, I went and got an x-ray. I only did it because I had a small
> > raised area on the bone and I was worried about a pathological fracture (one
> > caused by a tumor weakening the bone). Med school turns you into a total nut
> > job sometimes. Turns out it was more from pounding a small frame onto 5
> > miles of pavement every single day for many months - I know, weird. And my
> > stress fracture was not obvious on the first x-ray but could be sufficiently
> > hallucinated when compared to one several weeks later. Either way, I didn't
> > run for 6 weeks until it healed.
> >
> > Emily
> >
> > PS - probably best not to tell Mom about that pathological fracture business
> > ;)
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Brad <bishopbr@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Mud Doc Emily. I was wondering about this - I had heard some
> > > whispers along these lines but didn't really try to investigate them much.
> > > Is it even worth getting the X-Ray, then? (other than to give Mom a bit of
> > > piece of mind) Or would I be better following, as you said, the standard
> > > procedure either way and seeing what happens?
> > >
> > > Brad "Half-gallon of skim milk per day" Bishop
> > >
> > > --- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com <kctrailrunning%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Emily Horn <n2thinair09@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Something to consider....there is very little to see on a plain film
> > > x-ray
> > > > of a leg. If you are looking for a stress fracture, it has to be pretty
> > > > significant to show up on a plain film. Sometimes it takes a repeat
x-ray
> > > > several weeks later to compare before you can even see it on the first
> > > one.
> > > > The money shot for stress fractures is a bone scan and if you think an
> > > x-ray
> > > > is expensive...!!!!! Not to mention, it doesn't really change management
> > > -
> > > > rest it until it doesn't hurt ;) Anyway, just my two cents and
> > > > off-the-record opinion - do with it what you want.
> > > >
> > > > Mud "but not an Ortho" Doc
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Brad <bishopbr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have some connections where one might get a free or
reduced
> > > > > price X-Ray? I'm still looking for one as a just-in-case conclusive
> > > final to
> > > > > my shin extravaganza, but my (catastrophic-event-only) health
insurance
> > > > > won't cover it.
> > > > > If you are secretly Superman/Wonder Woman, I promise not to reveal
your
> > > > > secret identity. Or how about an old leaking TV in your basement that,
> > > among
> > > > > other types of radiation, might be leaking X-rays? Or does anyone have
> > > a
> > > > >
> > >
friend-of-a-friend-of-a-former-roommate-of-their-pet-parrots-twin's-owner's-sist\
er's-three-doors-down-neighbor's-crush's-accountant's-wet-nurse-type
> > > > > lead? Or something like that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers & God Bless,
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: bipedalturtle

To: kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:36 PM

Subject: [kctrailrunning] Re: Who's doing "Dude, Where's the Trail?"

 

Just signed up for the shortie.

Thanks Dick!

--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Dick Ross <rosmd@...> wrote:
>
> On Line registration for Dude is http://www.active.com/running/fleming-park-mo/dude-wheres-the-trail-50k-2009
>
> Hope this helps?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mookiebear4@...
> To: Trail Nerds
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [kctrailrunning] Re: Who's doing "Dude, Where's the Trail?"
>
>
>
> Mark! Where n when is this race?
>
> Tx, mk
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Mark" <mboucher1@...>
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:39:39 -0000
> To: <kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [kctrailrunning] Re: Who's doing "Dude, Where's the Trail?"
>
>
>
> I just mailed off the form for the 33k. It will be my longest race so far, so I'm looking forward to it. I've done 2 - 25k races this fall, a couple of half mara's and several 3-4 hour runs so I think 33k isn't too much of a stretch. I signed up for legs 1, 2 and 6. If you haven't signed up, just be aware that you have to mail the form, there isn't an on-line sign up that I saw. It just add's to the mystery.
>
> Mark
>

Just signed up for the shortie.

Thanks Dick!


--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Dick Ross <rosmd@...> wrote:
>
> On Line registration for Dude is
http://www.active.com/running/fleming-park-mo/dude-wheres-the-trail-50k-2009
>
> Hope this helps?
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: mookiebear4@...
>   To: Trail Nerds
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:42 PM
>   Subject: Re: [kctrailrunning] Re: Who's doing "Dude, Where's the Trail?"
>
>
>
>   Mark! Where n when is this race?
>
>   Tx, mk
>
>   Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   From: "Mark" <mboucher1@...>
>   Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:39:39 -0000
>   To: <kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com>
>   Subject: [kctrailrunning] Re: Who's doing "Dude, Where's the Trail?"
>
>
>
>   I just mailed off the form for the 33k. It will be my longest race so far,
so I'm looking forward to it. I've done 2 - 25k races this fall, a couple of
half mara's and several 3-4 hour runs so I think 33k isn't too much of a
stretch. I signed up for legs 1, 2 and 6. If you haven't signed up, just be
aware that you have to mail the form, there isn't an on-line sign up that I saw.
It just add's to the mystery.
>
>   Mark
>

HaHa, You're old!

Ah, wait I turn 28 next month......

You gonna come out and run anytime soon?

Chris

--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Laurie Euler <lluhar@...> wrote:
>
> I was going to say I'm a young runner but then I realized 27 isn't
> that young compared to 19. Haha. I'm pretty immature though, so I
> guess it counts.
>
> Laurie Euler
>
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:29 PM, "sisrocks1996" <sisrocks1996@...>
> wrote:
>
> > OK Guys I am going to make the plunge hopefully in the next couple
> > of weeks to come out and run. I'm 19 and looking for fun and people
> > similiarish in age! Any out there in the Trail Nerds? I have NEVER
> > run on a trail before and can't wait to try.
> >
> >
>

Run this morning went well, and I'm itching to get in some trail miles.  I have
tomorrow off (not Sat), so looking around for venue & folks.  Anyone
interested/available?  Clinton Lake or BuRP for 20ish sound attractive...

Cheers & God Bless,
Brad

 

OK Guys I am going to make the plunge hopefully in the next couple of weeks to come out and run. I'm 19 and looking for fun and people similiarish in age! Any out there in the Trail Nerds? I have NEVER run on a trail before and can't wait to try.

Hey,

Great to see some other younger folks around here!  I'm usually the babe in the
bunch at the ripe old age of 24, and am always looking for some more young blood
to help show the more *cough* experienced folks how it's done. :)
Look forward to seeing you on the trails.  I take it you're currently primarily
a road runner?  What kind of distances are you used to?  Drop me an email some
time, and I'd be glad to get together with you for some trail rockin'.

Cheers & God Bless,
Brad

P.S. Also, what's your name?



--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Danny Miller <danrdanny@...> wrote:
>
> Well, a lot of us act like we're 18, so I guess that fits, right? :)
>
> Or, we act like we're 6 - jumping in mud puddles and intentionally taking
> the muddy route.
>
> Danny
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:29 PM, sisrocks1996 <sisrocks1996@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > OK Guys I am going to make the plunge hopefully in the next couple of weeks
> > to come out and run. I'm 19 and looking for fun and people similiarish in
> > age! Any out there in the Trail Nerds? I have NEVER run on a trail before
> > and can't wait to try.
> >
> >
> >
>

OK Guys I am going to make the plunge hopefully in the next couple of weeks to
come out and run.  I'm 19 and looking for fun and people similiarish in age! 
Any out there in the Trail Nerds?  I have NEVER run on a trail before and can't
wait to try.

Hey Brad,

It might help to put your symptoms on a message so people could read a little
bit about the pain you're feeling.. Personally, I thought I had a stress
fracture before the Brew to Brew race last year but it ended up being muscular. 
I think a small muscle in my calf was extremely fatigued, and I'd imagine your
muscles were under a bit of stress after that 100 miler.  If you wouldn't mind,
could you give a small description of your symptoms?  Thanks, and best of luck
with the healing process.

-Andy

--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Emily Horn <n2thinair09@...> wrote:
>
> If it were me, I would wait and see first. That being said...when it WAS me
> many years ago, I went and got an x-ray. I only did it because I had a small
> raised area on the bone and I was worried about a pathological fracture (one
> caused by a tumor weakening the bone). Med school turns you into a total nut
> job sometimes. Turns out it was more from pounding a small frame onto 5
> miles of pavement every single day for many months - I know, weird. And my
> stress fracture was not obvious on the first x-ray but could be sufficiently
> hallucinated when compared to one several weeks later. Either way, I didn't
> run for 6 weeks until it healed.
>
> Emily
>
> PS - probably best not to tell Mom about that pathological fracture business
> ;)
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Brad <bishopbr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks Mud Doc Emily. I was wondering about this - I had heard some
> > whispers along these lines but didn't really try to investigate them much.
> > Is it even worth getting the X-Ray, then? (other than to give Mom a bit of
> > piece of mind) Or would I be better following, as you said, the standard
> > procedure either way and seeing what happens?
> >
> > Brad "Half-gallon of skim milk per day" Bishop
> >
> > --- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com <kctrailrunning%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Emily Horn <n2thinair09@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Something to consider....there is very little to see on a plain film
> > x-ray
> > > of a leg. If you are looking for a stress fracture, it has to be pretty
> > > significant to show up on a plain film. Sometimes it takes a repeat x-ray
> > > several weeks later to compare before you can even see it on the first
> > one.
> > > The money shot for stress fractures is a bone scan and if you think an
> > x-ray
> > > is expensive...!!!!! Not to mention, it doesn't really change management
> > -
> > > rest it until it doesn't hurt ;) Anyway, just my two cents and
> > > off-the-record opinion - do with it what you want.
> > >
> > > Mud "but not an Ortho" Doc
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Brad <bishopbr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey All,
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have some connections where one might get a free or reduced
> > > > price X-Ray? I'm still looking for one as a just-in-case conclusive
> > final to
> > > > my shin extravaganza, but my (catastrophic-event-only) health insurance
> > > > won't cover it.
> > > > If you are secretly Superman/Wonder Woman, I promise not to reveal your
> > > > secret identity. Or how about an old leaking TV in your basement that,
> > among
> > > > other types of radiation, might be leaking X-rays? Or does anyone have
> > a
> > > >
> >
friend-of-a-friend-of-a-former-roommate-of-their-pet-parrots-twin's-owner's-sist\
er's-three-doors-down-neighbor's-crush's-accountant's-wet-nurse-type
> > > > lead? Or something like that?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers & God Bless,
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks Mud Doc Emily.  I was wondering about this - I had heard some whispers
along these lines but didn't really try to investigate them much.  Is it even
worth getting the X-Ray, then? (other than to give Mom a bit of piece of mind) 
Or would I be better following, as you said, the standard procedure either way
and seeing what happens?

Brad "Half-gallon of skim milk per day" Bishop



--- In kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com, Emily Horn <n2thinair09@...> wrote:
>
> Something to consider....there is very little to see on a plain film x-ray
> of a leg. If you are looking for a stress fracture, it has to be pretty
> significant to show up on a plain film. Sometimes it takes a repeat x-ray
> several weeks later to compare before you can even see it on the first one.
> The money shot for stress fractures is a bone scan and if you think an x-ray
> is expensive...!!!!! Not to mention, it doesn't really change management -
> rest it until it doesn't hurt ;) Anyway, just my two cents and
> off-the-record opinion - do with it what you want.
>
> Mud "but not an Ortho" Doc
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Brad <bishopbr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Does anyone have some connections where one might get a free or reduced
> > price X-Ray? I'm still looking for one as a just-in-case conclusive final to
> > my shin extravaganza, but my (catastrophic-event-only) health insurance
> > won't cover it.
> > If you are secretly Superman/Wonder Woman, I promise not to reveal your
> > secret identity. Or how about an old leaking TV in your basement that, among
> > other types of radiation, might be leaking X-rays? Or does anyone have a
> >
friend-of-a-friend-of-a-former-roommate-of-their-pet-parrots-twin's-owner's-sist\
er's-three-doors-down-neighbor's-crush's-accountant's-wet-nurse-type
> > lead? Or something like that?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Cheers & God Bless,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: mookiebear4@...

To: Trail Nerds

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:42 PM

Subject: Re: [kctrailrunning] Re: Who's doing "Dude, Where's the Trail?"

 

Mark! Where n when is this race?

Tx, mk

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

---

From: "Mark" <mboucher1@kc.rr.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:39:39 -0000

To: <kctrailrunning@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [kctrailrunning] Re: Who's doing "Dude, Where's the Trail?"

 

I just mailed off the form for the 33k. It will be my longest race so far, so I'm looking forward to it. I've done 2 - 25k races this fall, a couple of half mara's and several 3-4 hour runs so I think 33k isn't too much of a stretch. I signed up for legs 1, 2 and 6. If you haven't signed up, just be aware that you have to mail the form, there isn't an on-line sign up that I saw. It just add's to the mystery.

Mark