Sensei Hart,

All the "masters" of old cross-trained. Anyone with a good knowledge of history
knows that.

Gichin Funakoshi was well versed in JuJitsu and Dr, Jigoro Kano was well versed
in stand-up training...as was Seishiro "Henry" Okazaki of Hawaii.

The Old "masters" of China knew several techniques of grappling. There's even
art work of antiquity that has proven there are many lost grappling styles and
techniques of the martial arts of ancient China.

India is where these arts originated from and they have had grappling arts for
many centuries.

Jiu-Jitsu itself is a derivative of Shuai Chiao and, other ancient arts, that
originated from China before finding their home in Japan.

Most all the best grapplers in history have dominated over the top stand-up
fighters. Only when a stand-up fighter trains in ground fighting have they been
able to have any amount of success.
Many martial artists of Europe and Asia have known this for a long time.

It's only when a practitioner limits himself to a rigid set of watered-down
techniques (that have become obsolete), that he fails to realize he is no match
against a cross-trained martial artist.
Unfortunately, most traditional martial arts dojos across the Americas have
been 'duped' into thinking that what they have are the best of what the
"masters" knew and taught.

I've already proved this by showing what happened to the KODENKAN in Honolulu.
Prof. Okazaki cross-trained in anything he could find...whatever was useful and
practical. He was well versed in Judo, Ju-Jitsu, Aikido, Boxing, Wrestling, Lua,
Kung Fu, Filipino arts and even knife throwing. He also studied many weapons and
other Japanese arts such as Kendo-kenjutsu & Kyudo.
He was a true Bujitsu-ka that studied under some of the most renowned teachers
of his day. And he "mastered" hundreds of techniques in different 'styles'.

He was like the "Bruce Lee" of the first half of the 20th Century...without the
looks or flash or Hollywood exposure but with ten times the knowledge.

But, the Kodenkan today teaches a watered-down version of what he actually
knew. This is the case of most schools across America.

Why else would so many traditional practitioners realize that they need to train
in different styles in order to be up-to-date with practical techniques that
work on the street and in full-contact competition?

When they saw stand-up Karatekas getting totally dominated by Jiu-Jitsu
practitioners they knew it was 'time to go back to the old drawing board'.

Royce Gracie was only the beginning. Even he was limited...he thought he need
nothing else but what he learned from his father and brothers...he also learned
he had to cross-train more in order to be effective and successful.

I've already stated all this and proven it on my group's board...but too many
hard-headed, and short-sighted, proud individuals fail to see it.

How many Kenpo students in America think that what they have is a complete
martial art?

I got news for them...Ed Parker was very limited in his knowledge of
Kenpo/Kempo. And if you have a 10th or 20th generation student of his "style"
what do you think he has!?

Kenpo, as first taught in Hawaii, was Kenpo-JuJitsu. It had hundreds of
techniques to master. Most of these have been omitted from modern day
training...and unfortunately, most of them were ground techniques...many from
Okazaki.

So, what do we do then?

We go back to the basics. We do what works. We train in practical, effective
techniques that will work for any given situation or setting.

If you had a choice of learning Tae Kwon Do or Muay Thai as a stand-up art,
which would you choose?

If you could learn ground fighting from a Karate instructor or a from a
Brazilian Jiu-Jistu instructor, which would you choose?

Mixed martial arts is primarily a compbination of the best techniques from the
following styles...

Jiu-Jitsu, Sambo, Judo, Muay Thai, Boxing and Wrestling ('Catch' and Olympic
styles). Depending on the competitor, other techniques from their background
styles would also be employed...depending on the situation.

Now, you tell me, what well-conditioned and well-trained practitioner of the
above could not beat the piss out of some dumbass that thinks he is a master of
biting/pressure points?

Case closed.

Have a nice day everybody!

much aloha!

sincerely,

braddah shano


senseipaulhart@... wrote:
Play nice Shano, not everyone judges MA on it's combat abilities and not
everyone knows how to judge the combat applications. Differences of opinion are
common in the MA of today and the martial arts of old. You are right about mixed
MA however. In reality what was Sokon "Bushi" Matsumura doing when he joined the
Shoalin arts with Okinawa Te? Wouldn't that be a mixed MA?


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