intorduced the new pull rule to players at a training session last night,
and had little or no confusion from anyone.... 3 year veterans (!) or people
in thier first weeks or months. However i will concede to seeing why there
may be confusion, as its not the simplest thing in the world.

it was generally felt that the rule as a whole was a good thing, as it
introduced a certain level of pace into play, and a level of skill into
throwing pulls which would otherwise be punished for being rubbish. For too
long the pull in the indoors game has been meaningless, with people not
bothering to catch them due to the risk of loosing the disc, and pulling
teams just hurling it anywhere. In my opinion, this rule gives it a point.
Of course, whatever height or distance rules were stated there would always
be disagreement...

As to the issue oif being forced to play from the back of the endzone, well,
its not much more than 4 to 5 meters, so in practice have you found it makes
much difference? last night i didnt seem to notice one, other than a little
more pressure to make a good pass. Lets be fair, if you make a cack first
pass and get turned over, its gonna be near the zone anyway.

and yes, it is a little confusing to have a discrepancy between indoors and
out... but its not the first. lots of new players i have played with or
coached still try and stall out at 8 when playing outdoors. I think the
difference does no harm, as indoors and outdoors ultimate are 2 different
breeds, like 5 a side football and 11 a side.

saying all this however, there may still be a case for there to be some
penalty for dropping a pull... if you fail to catch a reasonable backhand
floaty pull, why not be punished by starting play from a corner? with luck
somthing like that wouldnt be harsh enough to stop people trying to play
fast, but enough to give the d-team an incentive to pull towards the
opposition and keep it in play? ah, i dunno. this ones for greater minds
than me. i dont make the rules, i just try not to break them.



>From: "Phoenix FireBlade" <phoenixfireblade@...>
>To: juniorultimate@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [juniorultimate] The Infamous Pull Rule
>Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:27:54 +0000
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>From where i stand, i can't see why they've been changed at all to be
>perfectly honest. A team that drops a pull (either indoor,  or outdoor),
>deserves to have the opposition attack them from point blank range for
>making that mistake. If you tried to pick up and carry on outdoor, you'd be
>laughed off the field. Why make it different for indoors? As Kev and Dale
>have said, it makes things confusing for beginners. Take it from someone
>who teaches beginners multiple times per week, it's disheartening when they
>get confused with the rule differences between the two games.
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>Don't forget that it's supposed to be the same game, scaled down, played
>indoors. Having rules like this implemented now, i don't feel are the way
>forward. As mentioned already, the new rules (regardless of spirit), do
>encourage teams to launch the disc quickly at the weakest players on the
>opposing side. This therefore means that they're likely to get out of the
>way, causing a back-endzone start. What has that tuaght the opposition?
>Dangerous throws and unspirited play will win vital yards. We shouldn't be
>encouraging either of those factors into our game.
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>The way i look at it, if a team drops on their endzone line, it's a
>turnover, regardless of if it's a pull, or mid-play. i really can't see a
>difference. If the new rules are implemented across the board, we may as
>well not pull at all, and let the O team start with the disc, because the D
>team really has no point to accomplish by pulling to them.
>
>I agree with wanting to keep discs in better shape. I agree with wanting to
>encourage beginners to touch the disc. But there are better ways than
>changing the rules to get that result. Having a height rule is logical,
>yes, but height varies person to person. It's just as unfair to pull the
>disc 1foot from the ground to someone who's 6'7", because they've still got
>to catch at an awkward angle. Just as someone who's 4' whatever has to jump
>and catch a few feet above his head. There are lots of juniors 6' + , so
>why change the already changed rules, to allow for less height?
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>If a team is small, they know it's a disadvantage in one way, and an
>advantage in others. I have a tall team prettymuch. We average about 6ft.
>So catching with the new rule isn't a problem. if it's changed, catching at
>knee level will be more difficult. So either way, you can't win.
>
>I see the point of trying to encourage faster play, and not breaking discs
>on the backwall, but i fail to see the point in playing a nice disc, if,
>when it's dropped, the O gets no reward from it.
>
>People know the old rules. People thought them fair. My opinion is that we
>stick with them for Nationals, simply because very few of us know the new
>rules, and therefore, if a dispute arises (and it will), there will be very
>few people who could solve it. Why bother? Keep the old rules
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>That's just my outlook, i'd appreciate more feedback.
>
>Cheers,
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>Scott, Catch Those
>(Junior Indoor Nationals Organiser)
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