1) Yes, I'm also to blame, I should have said all this quite a long time ago,
and I've done my job as a social secretary really badly. and I've been stupid to
send that first e-mail that was neither constructive, nor argumentative.

2) Yes, there seem to be a lot of stuff that I don't know. You've never really
told anyone how bad the financial situation was (apart from a few e-mails
mentioning it very briefly), and the good work you've done to make it better.

3) I haven't been doubting your commitment to the team during the past years at
all. What I meant was that you should have given up your position as treasurer
when you realized that you didn't want to play ultimate for jesters anymore.

3) I don't think I know everything at all. I was just pointing out the way I
feel about the club

4) Was I complaining about the unflushables bill? I was more than happy to
anticipate it with my own money. And it's my fault that I didn't get a receipt
from the tournament. I'm not blaming you about it.

5) It's too late to change this year's positions in the club, and to be fair I
don't really see the point in doing it right now.

6) I don't see this conversation to be deconstructive at all (apart from my
first e-mail). It's time that people start saying what they think, rather than
complaining about everything without ever raising their voices (and bitching a
lot behind people's shoulders)

7) I didn't want to be offensive towards james. I apologize again.

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From: Paul Marsden [mailto:prm11@...]
Sent: Tue 02/03/2004 22:37
To: jestersultimate@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [jestersultimate] blah blah blah blah



Hi,
I want to add to this, I know I'm not very committed to the club but there have
been several reasons involved with this:

Firstly, Adriano before you start trashing everyone elses names you yourself are
the social secretary, there is no way you can be totally blameless in this whole
rant as you yourself are part of the committee. If you felt that there where
problems within the club then why not voice them to the other people at the time
or in emails to the people on the committee. It is really the job of the social
secretary to keep people motivated about the club by organising and gettting
people to attend socials.

Secondly I have done my job, I have taken the club from -£400 to +£300 in just 7
months, and I'll remind you that at one point I had over £500 invested in the
club out of my own pocket, which I had to work hard to get back, so don't
criticise my position as I have got the club out of the serious shit which it
was in. I have also put in a grant application so that the club will have more
money for tournaments next year, something which won't benefit me but I took my
time to do, I may not play very often but don't think I don't do my job. There
is a lot about Jesters it seems you don't know, remember last year, biscuit ran
the whole club singlehandedly and that didn't work, financially you guys are in
a much better situation for next year than we have been for this year.

Thirdly I cannot think of many other people who over the last two years have
committed more time to jesters than james so don't slag him off because you
think you know all. More to the point James took the captaincy rather grudgingly
as he was the only one with the experience to do it even though he had far too
many commitments.

To be perfectly honest the whole attitude shown by your emails adriano is the
main reason that I have stopped playing, I find the club is bitchy at times and
an atmosphere with which I do not want to be associated. I have played ultimate
in the last 4 months as I went to great barr and actually enjoyed the game,
something I have not experienced for quite some time and cannot see happening at
Jesters anymore.

If you are going to complain at footing the whole bill for the unflushables
tournament I told Matt G to get in touch with me and I would organise travel
reimbursement for those that went but I cannot do anything without knowing what
costs where involved. There is no need to criticise the work done by others.

If you want me to give up my position adriano then tough, you'll have to wait
because I am not buggering about changing the bank accounts around because I
have a lot of work to do myself. I have a lot of Jesters shirts which belong to
the club and someone else can look after them if they want as they should be
used next year.

I suggest that we have an AGM at which adriano can make his voice a bit louder
for all I care, if you think this kind of thing helps adriano, wake up, it only
drives a wedge between people and makes people even less likely to play. I will
try to show my face a little more if I can, that I agree I should try to do.

If anyone wants to carry on this deconstructive conversation then feel free to
do so but I wanted to stay as far away from it as possible but felt I had to say
something in light of the fact that Adriano had directed comments towards me. I
am not going to make any further comments unless someone has something useful to
say.

I might see you all tomorrow,
Paul


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