Fellow Travelers:
Let me revise my earlier remarks to Craig. As another earlier
response mentioned, the 50-yd football throw tells you you can throw
something farther than most mortals, and will eventually get the
javelin part down.  Having just started, at 50, to learn and without
benefit of coaching, I am acutely conscious of avoiding injury.
Re getting a javelin, try Everything Track and Field, aka MF
Athletics. I've bought two spears from them, and regularly pick their
brains for advice (try "Matt" at the 800-number.

Good response about the little kids throwing.  As a ski-school
supervisor that makes perfect sense.  Kids have relatively little
upper-body strength prior to about twelve, so they have to throw with
their torso and legs.  Great image.  Unfortunately I'm here studying
MBA stuff, and you guys are just making me want to go outside and
throw spears before the snow falls here in Utah!!--- In
javelinthrowclub@yahoogroups.com, "ddsonnen" <ddsonnen@y...> wrote:
>
> I also attended high school in New Mexico (NMMI) and was fortunate
> to learn to throw when I was 16 years old.  Five years later, I
> finished my career in the 237' range.  Now that I'm 38 and live in
> Dallas, Texas, I have no clue as to where to purchase a javelin or
> even where I could throw.  (Can you tell that I'm a new member?)
> Anyway, any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.  As a side
> note, when my track coach initially approached me about throwing a
> javelin, he took me to a little kid's baseball game.  He made me
> watch how the little kids would throw from outfield into the cut-
off
> man or even to home.  The lower body mechanics of throwing like a
> little kid really influenced my technique.  But the advice
> previously posted is very appropriate; be careful what technique
you
> develop as it's hard to "relearn" something that could eventually
> ruin your arm.
>
> -Dave in Dallas
>
>
>
> Not only a new member, I'm a high jumper and triple jumper. I have
> just finished my first season in 25 years. My first question to the
> group is, I can still throw a pro football 50+ yards. I have never
> done the javelin. I live in Co. and have no availability to throw (
> don't even have javelin yet). Can anyone give me an idea of what
> distance I might be able to expect? Any masters throwers on this
> site? Thanks Craig

I also attended high school in New Mexico (NMMI) and was fortunate
to learn to throw when I was 16 years old.  Five years later, I
finished my career in the 237' range.  Now that I'm 38 and live in
Dallas, Texas, I have no clue as to where to purchase a javelin or
even where I could throw.  (Can you tell that I'm a new member?)
Anyway, any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.  As a side
note, when my track coach initially approached me about throwing a
javelin, he took me to a little kid's baseball game.  He made me
watch how the little kids would throw from outfield into the cut-off
man or even to home.  The lower body mechanics of throwing like a
little kid really influenced my technique.  But the advice
previously posted is very appropriate; be careful what technique you
develop as it's hard to "relearn" something that could eventually
ruin your arm.

-Dave in Dallas



Not only a new member, I'm a high jumper and triple jumper. I have
just finished my first season in 25 years. My first question to the
group is, I can still throw a pro football 50+ yards. I have never
done the javelin. I live in Co. and have no availability to throw (
don't even have javelin yet). Can anyone give me an idea of what
distance I might be able to expect? Any masters throwers on this
site? Thanks Craig

Anupam,
Like Craig said (and speaking as a new thrower but long-time tennis instructor),
standard remedies apply.  The versions of what is generally known as tennis
elbow are almost completely injuries of over-use--only secondarily of bad
mechanics.  Of the standard responses, the most important one is arguably
rest--something us throw-whackos don't like to do.  Recovery times increase
dramatically in five year increments post 25, so rest!! Don't throw much, if at
all, the first day or two it feels better--don't be fooled. Tim J.

anupam vivek <vivek_anupam@...> wrote:

i,ve been throwing the javelin without the thrust of the body,as a
result of which my right elbow got injured.
Any remedies???????????





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Craig, I"m an M60 masters and just got back into T & F this past year too, and
am only throwing so far but hope to run this next season.  I think you have
really good potential if you can toss a football that far.  The technique for
the Javelin is considerably different than for the football, but you definitely
have an excellent arm.  I'm an old baseball player and so far Ive just been
using my arm to throw the jav and am in the 135' range.  I don't know your age
so I'm not sure what size (600 or 800 gram) javelin you'd throw.

A really good site for Javelin throwers is Klub Keihas.  There is all kinds of
technical help and excellent links for training and exercises for learning how
to throw the Javelin.

As for your own javelin,  I'd recommend you buy one ASAP.  Gill makes a good,
fairly reasonabley priced one, but do some research first and try to throw some
before buying one.  If you're willing to help your high school officiate in
their cross country meets, maybe the coach would allow you to throw one of  the
school's javelins to give you an idea of what throwing one is like.  I was lucky
in that respect here where I live in New Mexico.   But with lawyers and lawsuits
facing everyone nowadays, who knows?

When you do start throwing, I suggest you just learn to stick  it in the ground
about 5-10 yards in front of you and learn to throw it each time with your arm
straight back and extended.  Better yet, go the the Klub Keihas site and roam
around in it.  Do the garden hose exercises espoused by Tom Petranoff, work on
the approach steps he teaches too!
Mainly try not to get in bad habits early on!

Good Luck, and I hope to see you at some of our meets in New Mexico.   Welcome
back!

Caveman

Craig <dolphinfan131d@...> wrote:

Not only a new member, I'm a high jumper and triple jumper. I have
just finished my first season in 25 years. My first question to the
group is, I can still throw a pro football 50+ yards. I have never
done the javelin. I live in Co. and have no availability to throw (
don't even have javelin yet). Can anyone give me an idea of what
distance I might be able to expect? Any masters throwers on this
site? Thanks Craig




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Craig,
I too am a new member, and over the last year struggling through the learning
curve.  The biggest adventure in general has been learning how to throw
something which has more differences than similarities to the other major
throwing motions (baseball and football). Have you noticed Americans don't do
too well in Javelin? The motion is different and requires motor reprogramming.
So the answer to your question is that your football throwing distance bears
almost no relation to your javelin throwing distance.  If you try to throw it
the same way, please order your new arm in advance. Tim J.

Craig <dolphinfan131d@...> wrote:

Not only a new member, I'm a high jumper and triple jumper. I have
just finished my first season in 25 years. My first question to the
group is, I can still throw a pro football 50+ yards. I have never
done the javelin. I live in Co. and have no availability to throw (
don't even have javelin yet). Can anyone give me an idea of what
distance I might be able to expect? Any masters throwers on this
site? Thanks Craig




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Not only a new member, I'm a high jumper and triple jumper. I have
just finished my first season in 25 years. My first question to the
group is, I can still throw a pro football 50+ yards. I have never
done the javelin. I live in Co. and have no availability to throw (
don't even have javelin yet). Can anyone give me an idea of what
distance I might be able to expect? Any masters throwers on this
site? Thanks Craig

As with any sports injury, a good rule of thumb is icing the effected area
and slowly work your range of motion while cold! Follow with heat.
Cryotherapy. Rest would be in order also. Anti- inflammatories such as
aspirin will also help. Craig

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From: anupam vivek [mailto:vivek_anupam@...]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:27 PM
To: javelinthrowclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Javelin Throw Club] tennis elbow



i,ve been throwing the javelin without the thrust of the body,as a
result of which my right elbow got injured.
Any remedies???????????






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i,ve been throwing the javelin without the thrust of the body,as a
result of which my right elbow got injured.
Any remedies???????????

hahaha, i definitely meant 110 feet, sorry for any confusion!



John Sherman <jsherman@...> wrote:
B-Ball Girl....
You said you're from Pennsylvania, right?  Me too.  Anyway, I'm pretty sure you
meant 110 feet.  Just for everyone's clarification... we still use feet and
inches in the USA.  So if anyone made recommendations based on a throw of 110
meters, then they are way off.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: george menelau
   To: javelinthrowclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:26 AM
   Subject: Re: [Javelin Throw Club] Want to buy a Javelin


   what is the different if you throw or not . i bought
   jav . i have 4 now 2apollo lezer 800 gr one sandvik
   super elite 800gr  and one sandvik orbit . i have also
   one sandvik orbit half i broke it ass and make it
   900gr for traning. and i have personal best 66,50 this
   year few week ago . Soo if you throw 110 we will see
   you ine Athens 2004 ?





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B-Ball Girl....
You said you're from Pennsylvania, right?  Me too.  Anyway, I'm pretty sure you
meant 110 feet.  Just for everyone's clarification... we still use feet and
inches in the USA.  So if anyone made recommendations based on a throw of 110
meters, then they are way off.
   ----- Original Message -----
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   To: javelinthrowclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:26 AM
   Subject: Re: [Javelin Throw Club] Want to buy a Javelin


   what is the different if you throw or not . i bought
   jav . i have 4 now 2apollo lezer 800 gr one sandvik
   super elite 800gr  and one sandvik orbit . i have also
   one sandvik orbit half i broke it ass and make it
   900gr for traning. and i have personal best 66,50 this
   year few week ago . Soo if you throw 110 we will see
   you ine Athens 2004 ?





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what is the different if you throw or not . i bought
jav . i have 4 now 2apollo lezer 800 gr one sandvik
super elite 800gr  and one sandvik orbit . i have also
one sandvik orbit half i broke it ass and make it
900gr for traning. and i have personal best 66,50 this
year few week ago . Soo if you throw 110 we will see
you ine Athens 2004 ?





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haha, alright? If i didnt throw far, then why would i pay to buy a javelin?



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who is coach mount us ? who still throw ?  asl ?
Personanl Best . let meet each other from here :)





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17/f/pa, the farthest ive thrown is 110

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when you reply to one, you reply to everyone, that's why you got the e-mail.  I
throw the best Jav I can get my hands on, usually a carbon by Sandvik or OTE.  I
have heard many female athletes say they liked the female Nemeth over the other
models, hence why I recommended it.  Each Jav has its own feel and its up to the
athlete to decide what they like the best.  And Apollo's are not the same
quality jav as an OTE, Sandvik, or Nemeth.

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im not the 1 who wants it a girl did asl wat do u  throw


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Apollo is no good.  Best girl's jav's are made by Nemeth.  Go with the 60m, it
is not more aerodynamic -- the ratings tell you how stiff it is, the stiffer it
is the more potential it has to go far, also the more it hurts when you miss the
tip.  A 60m Jav won't kill you though.  Best of luck.  Throw far.

basketballbabe323 <basketballbabe323@...> wrote:Hey everyone! I'm going to
go into my last year of high school, and
im looking to pursue javelin in college. I'm interested in buying a
women's javelin. However, I don't know which type to buy. I'm pretty
sure i got down that i need a 600 gram javelin, but do i need a 40,
50, or 60 meter? Which would be the best. Thanks for your help!


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hi is there ANY 1 WIF A 800 GRAM JAVELIN I COULD BUT PREFERABLY AN  AIRGLIGER
OR A JAVELIN WIF A 80M RANGE PLUS


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hi there u should be lookin for an appolo javelin with the range of 60metre
as it is more aerodynamic


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Hey everyone! I'm going to go into my last year of high school, and
im looking to pursue javelin in college. I'm interested in buying a
women's javelin. However, I don't know which type to buy. I'm pretty
sure i got down that i need a 600 gram javelin, but do i need a 40,
50, or 60 meter? Which would be the best. Thanks for your help!

Lin,
I'm not sure of any training tools that could help this problem, but perhaps
working on your mechanics could help, pardon the pun, straighten out the
problem.
If you are a left handed thrower, you could be trying to throw too much with
your arm and not enough with your body.  Try staying more upright at the point
of release.  Many beginning throwers have problems with this by attempting to
throw too hard and they fall to the side opposite their throwing hand at the
point of release.
If you are a right handed thrower, you may be opening up your wrist at the point
of release.  That is, your wrist may be bent back at an angle in relation to
your forearm.  This opens up the angle of the javelin and causes it to stray to
the right.  Try turning your wrist in toward your forearm so that at the point
of release, your hand and wrist are upright in relation to your forearm.  It may
feel a little uncomfortable at first, but it should straighten it out.
Depending on how much your throws are curving you may actually be losing more
than 3 meters.  If they are curving early in flight, the amount of drag caused
by this movement could lead to a significant additional loss of distance.  If
you can get this worked out, I think you'll be happily surprised by how far you
throw.  I hope these tips help in accomplishing this.
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   Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 3:59 PM
   Subject: [Javelin Throw Club] Training Tools


   Hello.

   I started throwing jav a little late in life...at
   about 36.  I have been throwing about 4 years and do
   pretty well in competition, though I do not quite
   throw correctly yet.  I tend to throw with a little
   curve to the right, losing probably 3 meters per
   throw.

   Can anyone recommend training tools that might help me
   straighten my throw a bit?

   Many, many thanks.

   My name is Lin.



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Hello.

I started throwing jav a little late in life...at
about 36.  I have been throwing about 4 years and do
pretty well in competition, though I do not quite
throw correctly yet.  I tend to throw with a little
curve to the right, losing probably 3 meters per
throw.

Can anyone recommend training tools that might help me
straighten my throw a bit?

Many, many thanks.

My name is Lin.



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--- george menelau <gmenelau@...> wrote:
> look i can help you but you have to tell me more
> things and what to you mean "power" you mean by the
> anabolic or something alse
> |???????
>
>  --- "jena <javjenatru@...>"
> <javjenatru@...>
> wrote: > i really feel like my throw is missing alot
> of
> > power.... just curius
> > if anyone knows of any drills to get my ride side
> > quicker and more
> > powerful??
> >
> >
>
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look i can help you but you have to tell me more
things and what to you mean "power" you mean by the
anabolic or something alse
|???????

  --- "jena <javjenatru@...>" <javjenatru@...>
wrote: > i really feel like my throw is missing alot
of
> power.... just curius
> if anyone knows of any drills to get my ride side
> quicker and more
> powerful??
>
>

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