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Visualizing the throw1 - Oct 20 12:45

Visulizing the form, I think, is an important
part of learning to throw. We see it in our minds and
do thousands of mental repetitions which when
coupled with practice helps in directing us to throw
hopefully with better form.<br><br>When I threw the
visualization was an analogy to a whip where the body was the
base and the shoulder/arm the end. <br><br>I also
thought that to acheive this the hips should be 90
degrees to the line of throw at the moment the block
occurs and the whip was in a vertical plane.<br><br>In
contrast the current throwers, at least from the pictures,
available to me thru this forum, seemed to indicate that
the hips should remain back until after the block and
then rotate with the shoulders into throwing position.
To me this did not appear to allow for maximum
shoulder speed since in that position the shoulder would
only go as fast as the body turn because the body did
not "C" until the hips were forward at which point
the shoulder was already on the same vertical plane
as the body. Because of this centirfugal effect the
throw generally went side arm. This allowed for much
power but not maximum shoulder speed.<br><br>On the
other hand with the hips forward at the block the body
could "C" meaning the hips were out and the shoulder
back ready to be driven forward with the arm traveling
over the shoulder in an effective whipping
action.<br><br>And then I had the oppurtunity to see videos where I
could stop action the throw of Zelenzy and realized
that maximum speed of the shoulder and arm could not
be obtain with the hips full front.<br><br>Basically
the whipping motion should not be vertical but
horizontal. The image should be the shoulders on a vertical
plane rotating around the axis of the body the center
of effort of which is vertical. To rotate the upper
body (ie the shoulders) it is not just a pull of the
left and separate explosion of the right but rotation
where the same amount of energy is moving each
side.<br><br>Thus the whip effect starts with the shoulder movement
and follows into the arm. With this rotation 2 things
are possible. 1. speed increases. The rotating of the
shoulders alone, the lower body is rotating at a slower
speed at the block, can be several times the speed
available to the thrower when done in conjunction with the
body and also much faster then is possible with the
hips forward at the plant.




Fri Oct 20, 2000 6:43 pm

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2. if the "C" occurs as the body immediately passes over the right the throwing length will be 25% longer then with the hips forward. Here as Zelenzy does the...
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Oct 20, 2000
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Visulizing the form, I think, is an important part of learning to throw. We see it in our minds and do thousands of mental repetitions which when coupled with...
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Marty<br>From the Forum<br>Sat Oct 28 09:36:34 2000<br><br>I agree that minor elbow bend before the plant is not crippling. However at the plant the arm should...
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Tom Pukstys<br>A little more on this...<br>Mon Oct 30 17:55:33 2000<br><br>The Kari excercise is an excercise which if is done well is one of many things you ...
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I have responded to a few post recently and I wanted for everyone to understand something. Many people ask about supplements and training patterns and always...
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Levers,<br>The answer as to what muscles is "all"...some more some less. The legs back and shoulder need to be the strongest since the primary throwing motion...
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Levers,<br>The answer as to what muscles is "all"...some more some less. The legs back and shoulder need to be the strongest since the primary throwing motion...
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welihozkiy - Core Exercises - Fri Oct 6 08:13:50 2000<br><br>Front Arrows - *novice* get into push-up position, but instead of hands contacting the floor...
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welihozkiy - Core Exercises - Fri Oct 6 08:13:50 2000<br><br>I'm posting this for the forum to have in it's search data base and for those who are feeling a...
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welihozkiy - Core Exercises - Fri Oct 6 08:13:50 2000<br><br>I'm posting this for the forum to have in it's search data base and for those who are feeling a...
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Mike Chapman, Scottsdale Arizona - Sun Aug 20 20:05:03 2000<br><br>John to achieve this you must practise strengthening movements similar to javelin ...
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Mike Chapman, Scottsdale Arizona - Sun Aug 20 20:05:03 2000<br><br>John to achieve this you must practise strengthening movements similar to javelin ...
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From the Forum - Tue Dec 12 19:54:50 2000<br><br>Upon landing of the plant leg, all athletes tend to be facing the same way, whether they are considered ...
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From The Forum - Tue Dec 12 11:25:31 2000<br><br>When you say you want to have your upper body in "correct position", I assume that you're maybe anticipating...
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From The Forum - Thu Dec 14 11:46:10 2000<br><br>I must say that I went through all this with Juris Terauds and Bob Greger in the 80's and the best advise they...
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from the forum - Mon Dec 18 20:27:56 2000<br><br>The time of year is coming where you should be begining to consider more specific work after getting through...
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From the Forum - Fri Dec 22 05:47:34 2000<br><br>Any gains in physical power can help your javelin results, but you should have the ability to transfer the ...
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Steps: <br>1. Step to the bar and get positioned. Place your feet hip-width apart with the bar directly over the balls of your feet. Set the bar right above ...
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Steps: <br>1. Step to the bar and get positioned. Place your feet hip-width apart, with the bar directly over the balls of your feet. Set the bar right over ...
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From the Forum - Tue Dec 26 06:39:40 2000<br><br>Jan had succeed throu rhytm and frequence.<br>Besides of his great throwing technique, his best advantage is...
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Wed Dec 27 17:04:05 2000<br><br><br>In looking at the effort to come up with the best of the NE it seemed sad that the history of the Javelin was so lacking as...
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BP - Zelezny training schedule<br>Tue Jan 2 14:55:12 2001<br><br>D) Competition Season<br><br>Strong emphasis on subjective assessment of athlete’s current...
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BP - Zelezny training schedule<br>Tue Jan 2 14:55:12 2001<br><br>B) Period of speed-Strength Training<br>January-February: long-term stay in warm...
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BP - Zelezny training schedule<br>Tue Jan 2 14:55:12 2001<br><br>1. PLAN OF A YEAR TRAINING CYCLE<br><br>A) Period of Conditioning<br><br>a) Mid-September: end...
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Bob Roggy, AL Cantello and Duncan Atwood <br>Mike Chapman, Scottsdale Arizona - From The forum - More for you. - Thu Sep 28 02:36:51 ...
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Bob Roggy, AL Cantello and Duncan Atwood <br>Mike Chapman, Scottsdale Arizona - From The forum - More for you. - Thu Sep 28 02:36:51 ...
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Marty / Your Email didn't work, so....<br>Sat Jan 13 10:43:07 2001<br><br><br>Hello. In the follow through motion, the muscles of the rotator cuff at the ...
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What you explain are the common mecs of the arm.<br>BUT there is a big "but" the tears normaly came from a too early stop of the move and not because of a ...
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What you explain are the common mecs of the arm.<br>BUT there is a big "but" the tears normaly came from a too early stop of the move and not because of a ...
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Mon Jan 15 03:45:13 2001 - From The forum By: Harri Autero<br><br>Hi!<br><br>Last year read a finnish research on how, fast, strong etc. you had to be to throw...
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