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Visualizing the throw2 - Oct 20 12:45:44

2. if the "C" occurs as the body immediately
passes over the right the throwing length will be 25%
longer then with the hips forward. Here as Zelenzy does
the javelin is wrapped behind, the point facing 2
o'clock the body "C's" and at the plant the shoulders
rotate and the throw starts from a point that is 135
degrees from the line of throw. <br><br>In addition the
rotation of the shoulders allows the thrower to more
easily drive the arm to 0 degrees, ie the arm ends up
fully extend in front and 35-40 degrees up from the
horizontal, with the hand snapping off the javelin for extra
impedus.<br><br>Lastly, provided the point of the javelin is kept at ear
level and close to the head as the shoulders rotate
around, it allows the right shoulder to roll over as the
arm reaches 90 degrees and the action changes from a
pull to a throw. The roll of the right shoulder speeds
up the vertical movement of the forearm adding an
additional component of speed and allows for almost
automatic flip of the wrist at the release
point.<br><br>The beauty of this is that the exact position of the
hips is no longer critical, provided that the plant
triggers the shoulder rotation and that the body is at
that point "C'd". At the worst you lose some throwing
length but you do not lose the speed or
power.<br><br>Using this I believe it is important that the
transferance from the right to left be as quick as possible
since you want the body to be moving fast enough so
that when the shoulder, in its rotation, has reached
the 90 degree position and the shoulder roll occurs,
the body is over the left sufficiently so that its
extension or hyperextension can exert additional pressure
into the shoulder and arm giving the throwing portion
of the arm action additional power.<br><br>Keeping
the shoulder level at the start of the rotation is
still important however if the javelin is close to the
head a 15 degree slant could actually increase the
ability of the shoulders to rotate faster.<br><br>I also
noted in the video that he planted slightly in the
bucket. In that position he seemed to be able to get a
better drive thru the shaft with his body. I believe
this allowed him to block the rotating action of the
body and shoulders and convert it into a forward
motion.<br><br>If right this, at least for me, means a critical
change in training.<br><br>Be interested in anyone's
thoughts. <br><br>SK




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