I just want to let you all know that my ITBS is fading fast. My PT says it is
because I am gettin stronger in the right places.

I think that may be so. At the same time I think that I was doing a certain
exercise involving therabands around my knees and ankle incorrectly. I think
that I was using my knees to push the bands in an outward direction when I
should have been using my glutes. It is an exercise where you bend over and then
sit back keeping your chest up.

I hope this is the end of it.

Michele Dougherty

I'm just home from my myofacial deep tissue massage. I think it is helping.

She mentioned that I should ask the PT at my session tomorrow if he notices a
difference.

I am grateful that she feels that my tissues are still elastic. Apparently some
people's tissues are dry and stiff. She also felt that I should wait a bit to
finish strengthening my flexors and glutes before having more bodywork in case
there is something wrong with my hip. If she loosens the ITB up too quickly it
might not be good in case it is protecting my hip joint.

Apparently my piriformis muscle was very tight. It too may be compensating for
my other hip muscles. She also noticed the ankle thingee that the PT brought up.
Some reflex that should register there does not. She also said that there were
lots of adhesions or stickiness along the edges of the ITB.

She also said that my upper body is shifted over to the left and rotated a bit.
That might also be a compensation for my right hip.

I'll report anything useful I discover in addition in hopes that it might help
some of you.

Michele Dougherty

Thank you Scott for telling your experience.

I see the myofacial therapist this afternoon. She sounded promising in our
conversation. I have high hopes for her opinion because I think I am getting
worse.

I hope the exercises I am doing at PT aren't having a bad effect.

I'd hate to have an MRI if as you say it would be a waste.
I'm hoping that someone who is going to be really putting her hands on me will
be able to tell me more abut my structure and what is going wrong.

I'll let you know what she has to say.

Michele Dougherty

Michele-
 
Hello.  I too am new to the ITBS forums and your inquiry about hip joints
prompted me to chime in on my experience.  I am 32 and very active but I am not
a runner.  My ITBS symptoms started in November '08 after a month of intensive
hiking and walking while my wife and I where touring Europe. 
 
Long story short, I did the usual routine of seeing a sports doc and physical
therapist.  After a needless MRI and a few frustratingly useless sessions with
my first PT I found a new PT who had a completely different approach to my
ITBS.  He determined that my ITBS issues where caused by bio-mechanical
problem from to my hips being tilted forward and slightly angled as a result
of prolonged sitting (poor posture) at my office job.  This hip tilt caused my
left leg to be considerably longer than my right putting additional friction on
the ITB of my right leg.  Through chiropractics and PT, my back
is now straighter and my legs are equal in length.  
 
The verdict is still out whether or not this will be the fix.  I am still doing
my daily exercises and using a foam roller to keep the ITB loosened up.  After
the recent posts, I am now thinking about getting a deep tissue massage too.  I
don't know if others on this forum have had my same problem with tilted hips
causing ITBS but my PT said that it is a rather common cause. 
 
That's my two cents.  Good luck on your recovery-
 
Regards,
Scott Christensen    

--- On Wed, 3/4/09, mdougherty22000 <mdougherty22000@...> wrote:


From: mdougherty22000 <mdougherty22000@...>
Subject: [itbs] Hip Joints
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 7:47 AM






I will be seeing the myofacial deep tissue massage therapist tomorrow.

I have been reading many of your posts and found one about the possibility of a
sacroiliac joint problem affecting the hip.
My PT mentioned a possible problem with my sacrum when he first evaluated me.

While not a runner I have always been an active person. I've done quite a bit of
heavy gardening in my time as well as boating, being a flight attendant for 39
years and being involved in dog sports.

I don't think that the average person has any idea how physical a flight
attendant's job can be.

The funny thing here is that I have been looking up the possibity of hip laxity
on the internet. I'm wondering whether my hip is unstable in some way and that
is causing the ITB. All I keep getting is information about dogs and hip
dysplasia! It cracks me up!

I have high hopes for the massage therapist as she has helped several older
athletic women in our town. I have had several accidents over the years that may
have set me up for this situation.

I'll let you all know what she has to say. She said she has seen several people
with ITB. She has already mention the importance of the glutes and how she will
be doing a lot of work on mine.

Michele



















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I will be seeing the myofacial deep tissue massage therapist tomorrow.

I have been reading many of your posts and found one about the possibility of a
sacroiliac joint problem affecting the hip.
My PT mentioned a possible problem with my sacrum when he first evaluated me.

While not a runner I have always been an active person. I've done quite a bit of
heavy gardening in my time as well as boating, being a flight attendant for 39
years and being involved in dog sports.

I don't think that the average person has any idea how physical a flight
attendant's job can be.

The funny thing here is that I have been looking up the possibity of hip laxity
on the internet. I'm wondering whether my hip is unstable in some way and that
is causing the ITB. All I keep getting is information about dogs and hip
dysplasia! It cracks me up!

I have high hopes for the massage therapist as she has helped several older
athletic women in our town. I have had several accidents over the years that may
have set me up for this situation.

I'll let you all know what she has to say. She said she has seen several people
with ITB. She has already mention the importance of the glutes and how she will
be doing a lot of work on mine.

Michele

Thanks Chris, I just called a friend's friend who does deep tissue
massage. I had been thinking about it anyway but your recommendation
sealed the deal.

I have a lot of respect for bodywork. I went through the whole Rolfing
process about 10 years ago. It helped several issues I was having at
the time. Unfortunately she has moved away. I think the deep tissue
massage will be more what I need this time.

Thanks again,

Michele

I don't know that a Ortopedist will do anything more than tell you to continue
with PT. That was what my Orthopedist did. The thing that really helped me was
getting a deep tissue massage and rest.


Chances are it will go away it does for most people. The two times I have had it
it lasted 4-6 weeks. It is hard but be patient.

I am happy to have found this list. I am a 60 year old woman who is
currently having a problem with ITB.

I have never been a runner but please don't hold it against me!

I have worked on my feet for 39 years and am still doing so. God
knows I need to in this economy.

I have been being treated for a hamstring problem. The hamstring pain
is located at the point of insertion at the back of my knee and
extends up to my sit bone. There seems to be some nerve involvement
adhesion wise as well. I have been seeing the PT for 4 weeks now. We
are strengthening my hip flexors which were found to be weak as well
as my glutes and core in general. He is also using a nerve gliding
technique to free things up. He said that this sort of problem gets
much better in 6 to 8 weeks. it improves all of a sudden. I am also
using a foam roller as directed by the PT.

About two weeks into treatment I developed an ITB problem. It is
especially irritated if I drive without using a cushion I made for my
car seat. I get the snapping noise and a pinch like pain as though my
knee is going slightly out of joint. I also have the pain all the way
from my hip to my knee. It is also irritated if I walk much beyond my
in house stuff. If I take the dogs for a slow walk it acts up
afterwards. I have always walked a great deal in my life.

I found a few references on the internet to ITB in older people being
related to a hip problem. My family physician said to give it another
3 weeks. I see her again on the 19th. She mentioned that it might
have to do with my hip.

I am very happy with the quality of the PT I am receiving. Would
seeing an orthopedic doctor be useful?

I have not had any x rays or scans as yet. Is it unrealistic of me to
expect to be able to totally rid myself of the ITB?

I have been careful to wear only supportive shoes.

I am reading the posts here to learn more but if any of you have a
suggestion or information for me I will be most grateful.

Thanks,

Michele

I have not found the solution yet.  I am going to be changing from the
Brooks Beast this week to a lesser stability shoe.  Maybe that heavy motion
control is too much now.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Nora Reich <nora11@...> wrote:

>   What is TFL?
>
> Nora
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:01:47 -0000
> > Von: "arhafner83" <arhafner@... <arhafner%40gmail.com>>
> > An: itbs@yahoogroups.com <itbs%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Betreff: [itbs] Re: Let\'s make a list
>
> > My case wasn't nearly as stubborn as some of yours, but here's what
> > seems so far to have worked for me:
> > -stop running for a couple of months and gradually ease back into it
> > -PT, which emphasized glute medius strengthening
> > -foam roller
> > -trigger point self-massage to TFL (very important since a tight TFL is
> > what causes a tight ITB), vastus lateralis, glutes
> > -regular stretching (I know the ITB itself cannot be stretched, but the
> > TFL, which connects to it and plays a major role in controlling the
> > tension, can and should)
> > -working on my running form; actually what seems to be helping the most
> > with this is running barefoot or in Vibram Five Fingers "shoes"--if you
> > try this, just make sure to work up to it gradually as your feet are
> > used to big padded clunky shoes and your calf muscles will get sore the
> > first few times!! I have pretty much decided to switch to this and so
> > far am up to 20-25 minute runs and gradually increasing it. The theory
> > is that we are designed to be barefoot and our feet and legs function
> > best this way (or in minimal shoes that just provide protection from
> > things we may step on) and it makes a lot of sense to me.
> >
>
> --
> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen:
> http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01
>
>



--
Matt
mgmoore7@...
813-293-7333


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TFL = tensor fasciae latae, the muscle on the front of the hip that
is attached to the IT band.

--- In itbs@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
>
> What is TFL?
>
> Nora
>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:01:47 -0000
> > Von: "arhafner83" <arhafner@...>
> > An: itbs@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [itbs] Re: Let\'s make a list
>
> > My case wasn't nearly as stubborn as some of yours, but here's
what
> > seems so far to have worked for me:
> > -stop running for a couple of months and gradually ease back into
it
> > -PT, which emphasized glute medius strengthening
> > -foam roller
> > -trigger point self-massage to TFL (very important since a tight
TFL is
> > what causes a tight ITB), vastus lateralis, glutes
> > -regular stretching (I know the ITB itself cannot be stretched,
but the
> > TFL, which connects to it and plays a major role in controlling
the
> > tension, can and should)
> > -working on my running form; actually what seems to be helping
the most
> > with this is running barefoot or in Vibram Five Fingers "shoes"--
if you
> > try this, just make sure to work up to it gradually as your feet
are
> > used to big padded clunky shoes and your calf muscles will get
sore the
> > first few times!!  I have pretty much decided to switch to this
and so
> > far am up to 20-25 minute runs and gradually increasing it.  The
theory
> > is that we are designed to be barefoot and our feet and legs
function
> > best this way (or in minimal shoes that just provide protection
from
> > things we may step on) and it makes a lot of sense to me.
> >
>
> --
> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit
allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01
>

What is TFL?

Nora


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:01:47 -0000
> Von: "arhafner83" <arhafner@...>
> An: itbs@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [itbs] Re: Let\'s make a list

> My case wasn't nearly as stubborn as some of yours, but here's what
> seems so far to have worked for me:
> -stop running for a couple of months and gradually ease back into it
> -PT, which emphasized glute medius strengthening
> -foam roller
> -trigger point self-massage to TFL (very important since a tight TFL is
> what causes a tight ITB), vastus lateralis, glutes
> -regular stretching (I know the ITB itself cannot be stretched, but the
> TFL, which connects to it and plays a major role in controlling the
> tension, can and should)
> -working on my running form; actually what seems to be helping the most
> with this is running barefoot or in Vibram Five Fingers "shoes"--if you
> try this, just make sure to work up to it gradually as your feet are
> used to big padded clunky shoes and your calf muscles will get sore the
> first few times!!  I have pretty much decided to switch to this and so
> far am up to 20-25 minute runs and gradually increasing it.  The theory
> is that we are designed to be barefoot and our feet and legs function
> best this way (or in minimal shoes that just provide protection from
> things we may step on) and it makes a lot of sense to me.
>

--
Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen:
http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01

My case wasn't nearly as stubborn as some of yours, but here's what
seems so far to have worked for me:
-stop running for a couple of months and gradually ease back into it
-PT, which emphasized glute medius strengthening
-foam roller
-trigger point self-massage to TFL (very important since a tight TFL is
what causes a tight ITB), vastus lateralis, glutes
-regular stretching (I know the ITB itself cannot be stretched, but the
TFL, which connects to it and plays a major role in controlling the
tension, can and should)
-working on my running form; actually what seems to be helping the most
with this is running barefoot or in Vibram Five Fingers "shoes"--if you
try this, just make sure to work up to it gradually as your feet are
used to big padded clunky shoes and your calf muscles will get sore the
first few times!!  I have pretty much decided to switch to this and so
far am up to 20-25 minute runs and gradually increasing it.  The theory
is that we are designed to be barefoot and our feet and legs function
best this way (or in minimal shoes that just provide protection from
things we may step on) and it makes a lot of sense to me.

A cortisone shot, ART therapy, massage and the advice of Pbrown on this list got
me to the start and finish line during one of my ITB battles.  I haven't had an
issue with it since.  When/if it creeps up I get serious with the foam roller,
before and after my runs.  I've made it through training and completion of 2
marathons since that time with mostly the help of the foam roller.


-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie Keen <robbie0502@...>
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 5:04 am
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list






I think I added this already but cortisone shot helped me...the pain totally
went away and has been gone for 2 months....

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Tania Anderson <tania.murray@...> wrote:

From: Tania Anderson <tania.murray@...>
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 12:16 AM

Surgery helped me too. I had my operation in October 2008. I have since run
a marathon and regular long runs. So far so good. Although I did do the
route of needles, foam roller, anti inflammatories, regular massage, endless
stretching too. So when all else fails find a good surgeon who talks your
language and get the job done.
Tania

-------Original Message----- --

From: pbrown5646@aol. com
Date: 2009/02/18 02:55:48 AM
To: itbs@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list

Surgery solved my ITBS- 21 marathons since the operation. Paul

-----Original Message----
-
From: shenandore <shelley.burns@ ed.gov>
To: itbs@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 9:42 am
Subject: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list

I suggest adding prescription orthotics (from podiatrist or ortho
surgeon).
They completely solved the problem for me. If I let my orthotics get
worn down (and it can be worse if both the orthotic and my running
shoe become worn down at the same time) I can get an attack of ITBS.
Otherwise I normally have no trouble with it at all. Depending on
the source of a person's ITBS problem, orthotics can help since they
change the way your foot strikes the ground. I realize that some on
this site say that orthotics haven't helped them, but they were a
godsend for me.

Shelley

--- In itbs@yahoogroups. com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
everyone can check if she / he tried it.
>
> Help against itbs:
>
> - foam roller
> - patt strap (the band)
> - active release therapy (ART)
> - physiotherapy
> - stretching exercises
> - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
>
>
>
> Please add what helped you!!!
>
> Nora
>
>
> --
> Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx. de/?
ac=OM.AD.PD003K11
308T4569a
>

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s message have been removed]

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I think I added this already but cortisone shot helped me...the pain totally
went away and has been gone for 2 months....

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Tania Anderson <tania.murray@...> wrote:


From: Tania Anderson <tania.murray@...>
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 12:16 AM






Surgery helped me too. I had my operation in October 2008. I have since run
a marathon and regular long runs. So far so good. Although I did do the
route of needles, foam roller, anti inflammatories, regular massage, endless
stretching too. So when all else fails find a good surgeon who talks your
language and get the job done.
Tania

-------Original Message----- --

From: pbrown5646@aol. com
Date: 2009/02/18 02:55:48 AM
To: itbs@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list

Surgery solved my ITBS- 21 marathons since the operation. Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: shenandore <shelley.burns@ ed.gov>
To: itbs@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 9:42 am
Subject: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list

I suggest adding prescription orthotics (from podiatrist or ortho
surgeon).
They completely solved the problem for me. If I let my orthotics get
worn down (and it can be worse if both the orthotic and my running
shoe become worn down at the same time) I can get an attack of ITBS.
Otherwise I normally have no trouble with it at all. Depending on
the source of a person's ITBS problem, orthotics can help since they
change the way your foot strikes the ground. I realize that some on
this site say that orthotics haven't helped them, but they were a
godsend for me.

Shelley

--- In itbs@yahoogroups. com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
everyone can check if she / he tried it.
>
> Help against itbs:
>
> - foam roller
> - patt strap (the band)
> - active release therapy (ART)
> - physiotherapy
> - stretching exercises
> - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
>
>
>
> Please add what helped you!!!
>
> Nora
>
>
> --
> Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx. de/?
ac=OM.AD.PD003K11
308T4569a
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Surgery helped me too. I had my operation in October 2008. I have since run
a marathon and regular long runs. So far so good. Although I did do the
route of needles, foam roller, anti inflammatories, regular massage, endless
stretching too. So when all else fails find a good surgeon who talks your
language and get the job done.
Tania

-------Original Message-------

From: pbrown5646@...
Date: 2009/02/18 02:55:48 AM
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list

Surgery solved my ITBS- 21 marathons since the operation.  Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: shenandore <shelley.burns@...>
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 9:42 am
Subject: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list

I suggest adding prescription orthotics (from podiatrist or ortho
surgeon).
They completely solved the problem for me. If I let my orthotics get
worn down (and it can be worse if both the orthotic and my running
shoe become worn down at the same time) I can get an attack of ITBS.
Otherwise I normally have no trouble with it at all. Depending on
the source of a person's ITBS problem, orthotics can help since they
change the way your foot strikes the ground. I realize that some on
this site say that orthotics haven't helped them, but they were a
godsend for me.

Shelley

--- In itbs@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
everyone can check if she / he tried it.
>
> Help against itbs:
>
> - foam roller
> - patt strap (the band)
> - active release therapy (ART)
> - physiotherapy
> - stretching exercises
> - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
>
>
>
> Please add what helped you!!!
>
> Nora
>
>
> --
> Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?
ac=OM.AD.PD003K11
308T4569a
>

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Not running for two years helped me... I know, long time, but it worked! 
Gina




________________________________
From: "pbrown5646@..." <pbrown5646@...>
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:54:25 PM
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list


Surgery solved my ITBS- 21 marathons since the operation.  Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: shenandore <shelley.burns@ ed.gov>
To: itbs@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 9:42 am
Subject: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list

I suggest adding prescription orthotics (from podiatrist or ortho
surgeon).
They completely solved the problem for me. If I let my orthotics get
worn down (and it can be worse if both the orthotic and my running
shoe become worn down at the same time) I can get an attack of ITBS.
Otherwise I normally have no trouble with it at all. Depending on
the source of a person's ITBS problem, orthotics can help since they
change the way your foot strikes the ground. I realize that some on
this site say that orthotics haven't helped them, but they were a
godsend for me.

Shelley

--- In itbs@yahoogroups. com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
everyone can check if she / he tried it.
>
> Help against itbs:
>
> - foam roller
> - patt strap (the band)
> - active release therapy (ART)
> - physiotherapy
> - stretching exercises
> - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
>
>
>
> Please add what helped you!!!
>
> Nora
>
>
> --
> Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx. de/?
ac=OM.AD.PD003K11
308T4569a
>

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Surgery solved my ITBS- 21 marathons since the operation.  Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: shenandore <shelley.burns@...>
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 9:42 am
Subject: [itbs] Re: Let's make a list






I suggest adding prescription orthotics (from podiatrist or ortho
surgeon).
They completely solved the problem for me. If I let my orthotics get
worn down (and it can be worse if both the orthotic and my running
shoe become worn down at the same time) I can get an attack of ITBS.
Otherwise I normally have no trouble with it at all. Depending on
the source of a person's ITBS problem, orthotics can help since they
change the way your foot strikes the ground. I realize that some on
this site say that orthotics haven't helped them, but they were a
godsend for me.

Shelley

--- In itbs@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
everyone can check if she / he tried it.
>
> Help against itbs:
>
> - foam roller
> - patt strap (the band)
> - active release therapy (ART)
> - physiotherapy
> - stretching exercises
> - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
>
>
>
> Please add what helped you!!!
>
> Nora
>
>
> --
> Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?
ac=OM.AD.PD003K11
308T4569a
>








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From first time I got pain (started in 2006):

physio (included acupuncture) - went back to physio after each flair up
swimming for fitness when unable to run
hip and glute strengthening - still continue to do this
stretching
strap
foam roller
hired PT to help with running gait and PT told me to find another type of
exercise
checked for orthotics - not required
new physio suggested taping foot thinking flat arch in foot was causing
biomechanical issues
tried new shoes to fix arch and made the pain worse
looked at trying another PT but one that specialised in running - never
found one so decided to
try changing my running form on my own, it was not easy and very frustrating
but it has worked and for
the first time in 3 years my hip/knee are not tight/sore

hope this helps!






On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:42 AM, shenandore <shelley.burns@...> wrote:

>   I suggest adding prescription orthotics (from podiatrist or ortho
> surgeon).
> They completely solved the problem for me. If I let my orthotics get
> worn down (and it can be worse if both the orthotic and my running
> shoe become worn down at the same time) I can get an attack of ITBS.
> Otherwise I normally have no trouble with it at all. Depending on
> the source of a person's ITBS problem, orthotics can help since they
> change the way your foot strikes the ground. I realize that some on
> this site say that orthotics haven't helped them, but they were a
> godsend for me.
>
> Shelley
>
> --- In itbs@yahoogroups.com <itbs%40yahoogroups.com>, "Nora Reich"
> <nora11@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
> everyone can check if she / he tried it.
> >
> > Help against itbs:
> >
> > - foam roller
> > - patt strap (the band)
> > - active release therapy (ART)
> > - physiotherapy
> > - stretching exercises
> > - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> > - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
> >
> >
> >
> > Please add what helped you!!!
> >
> > Nora
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> > für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?
> ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a
> >
>
>
>


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> I bought and read this tutorial and can attest that contains some very
> valuable information.

Thanks for this feedback.  I thought that it sounded like rational and
researched information but I'm wary in principle when websites are selling
something - even when it's just information.  It wasn't  (just as others
have said) that I was drawing the line at spending another $15.  It was the
principle of the thing.  Plus, if I got the correct gist of it in skimming
what was available for free, when he finds new things and updates his
information, we have to pay again to see the new stuff.  I guess that I will
pay to look at it, now.  Maybe there's something there for me ...

>contrast therapy,

Can you explain what "contrast therapy" is?  Is that the hot/cold thing and
if so - how does one accomplish it on an upper leg?

I would think these types of treatments would be useful for ITBS that is
acute - an injury or sudden onset after pushing too hard.  But for those of
us who are in more of a chronic category (I know pretty much exactly how
much I can get away with before it begins to bother me and that doesn't
change much no matter what I do, unless I do nothing and then it's much
worse), things that promote healing like increasing circulation or rest are
not of as much help.

Again, I think part of the reason that we know so little about ITBS is lack
of research but it's also, imho, that it has so many causes.  Thus what
works for you may not make a dent for me.  In addition, this variety of
causes makes it hard for even the best research to arrive at firm
conclusions.

This question is a little off-the-wall but I throw it out anyway.  I was
once told by an ER doc who had this as his little pet interest, that he
could tell that I'd had subclinical polio as a child.  I was in my 20's at
the time, doing a physical for work.  He said the clues were the that the
muscles of my back and hips were not equal in strength - enough that he
could see it visually, and that my gait had a little ankle-throwing going on
(which I already knew but it's never bothered me).  He said it was exactly
my age group that he sees this in, as many of us had received the polio
vaccine as older children when it came out, but many of us had already had
subclinical infections in the time of "epidemic", by then.  I have no idea
if his theories are true in general, and/or are true about me.  But if we
take his theory as a possibility, and then add in the well-documented
phenomenon of post-polio syndrome that occurs in mid-life to those who've
had polio as a child - it does make me wonder if that has any part in my
ITBS issues (I'm 57 now).  Has anyone else ever heard this theory or been
told they'd been affected?

Great discussion - thanks to all,
Debbie

I bought and read this tutorial and can attest that contains some very valuable
information. I have actually done two phone consults with the therapist who
wrote the tutorial as well and he is pretty knowledgable about ITBS. He really
makes a case for the scientifically-grounded treatments and de-bunks alot of the
myths surrounding ITBS (i.e, you CANNOT stretch your IT band so don't waste time
trying -- it feels good but it isn't doing a thing). Trigger point therapy,
icing, contrast therapy, reducing inflammation are the things that matter
most.There is alot of bs out there on the internet about what works and what
doesn't and he goes through things systematically and provides links to studies
and articles to support his ideas. He actually discredits a number of popular
ideas about ITBS and what he has to say is very logical and methodic.



  I have had ITBS for 9 mos,. now but my case is unique -- I just had surgery to
repair a torn labrum in my hip and ITBS is often a symptom of a larger
biomechanical issue created by the tear in my hip joint. I've got to work on
rehabing my hip before I can really deal with my knee but I'm hoping that
re-training the gluteus and hip flexor muscles to fire again will be a big step
in that direction. Gluteus medius strength is essential in getting rid of ITBS.

Another new and promising treatment is platelet rich plasma injections --
injections of your own red blood cells into the site to promote healing. Its an
alternative to surgery but definitely something you wouldn't do unless you had
tried alot of other stuff because it is expensive and relatively new so not alot
of insurance carriers are covering it.










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Subject : Re: [itbs] Re: The band
Date : Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:55:33 -0800 (PST)
From : Jeff McWilliams <jjmcwill2003@...>
To : itbs@yahoogroups.com

Well, my thoughts exactly.

I've spent money on a foam roller, orthotics, patt straps, elastic bands for hip
strengthening, plus co-pays for doctors visits and diagnostic MRI.

So, it's not so much about the money, but whether the information is accurate or
not.  I know a few physical therapists, so I was even thinking of purchasing and
printing the article, and showing it to them to get their opinion.



--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Matt Moore wrote:
From: Matt Moore
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 1:45 PM












I have seen this a time or two as well. Seems somewhat hard to believe that

this person has the answers and no one else does. Also, only one the

4 testimonials even claim that the book helped them get over ITBS. Not sure

I am willing to bite. Although, I have spent much more on other things to

help so what is another $15?



On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Jeff McWilliams wrote:



> Very interesting.

>

> I might be interested in paying for it, too, if someone can attest to the

> article legitimacy. I don't want to throw money away on inaccurate or

> misleading information.

>

> Jeff

>

> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, Laxague Deborah >

> wrote:

> From: Laxague Deborah >

> Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band

> To: itbs@yahoogroups. com

> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:39 AM

>

> Sarah and all,

>

> I went looking for a diagram to show why confining the ITB in its place or

>

> slot, as the band is designed to do, would help. I found this site instead:

>

> http://www.google. com/imgres? imgurl=http: //saveyourself. ca/resources/

> images/

>

> itbs-vs-pfps. jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://saveyourself .ca/tutorials/ iliotibial-

> band-

>

> syndrome.php&amp; h=462&amp;w=293&amp; sz=24&amp;tbnid= BCtt8fJ8x4ZdIM:
:&amp;tbnh=128&amp;

> tbnw=81&amp;prev=

>

> /images%3Fq% 3Ditbs%2Bdiagram &amp;usg=__h6lNuw62D FPY70Y9ntBKUgjYi

> F8=&amp;ei=6pSZSfnWG

>

> pnMsAPn-4mJAQ&amp; sa=X&amp;oi=image_ result&amp;resnum= 2&amp;ct=image&amp;
cd=1

>

> Good grief. TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/besxwn

>

> Has anyone paid to look at the rest of this argument? I'm usually pretty

>

> skeptical but what I read before I get to the "give me money" part actually

>

> sounds credible to me.

>

> Debbie Laxague

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>



--

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mgmoore7@gmail. com

813-293-7333



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> I wish that strap helped me, it seems to make it worse. I don't even
> understand how the strap can help. If the injury is and issue of friction,
> then wouldn't forcing the ITband to stay against the knee aggravate the
> condition?

Of course.  So it is important that the band goes above the knee and not at
the knee.

The idea is that it pins the band down, it reduces its mobility and it does
not rub on your knee.  Before I tried the patstrap, I experimented with
various bands.  Putting a band right over my knee brought pain almost
immediately.

I was very skeptical about the theory behind the band, but, as many others
said, after having spent a lot of money for doctor's visits and physical
therapy and seeing no results, $20 more to test a theory was not a problem.
I am glad I did, because this cured my ITBS.

George T.

I suggest adding prescription orthotics (from podiatrist or ortho
surgeon).
They completely solved the problem for me.  If I let my orthotics get
worn down (and it can be worse if both the orthotic and my running
shoe become worn down at the same time) I can get an attack of ITBS.
Otherwise I normally have no trouble with it at all.  Depending on
the source of a person's ITBS problem, orthotics can help since they
change the way your foot strikes the ground.  I realize that some on
this site say that orthotics haven't helped them, but they were a
godsend for me.

Shelley

--- In itbs@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
everyone can check if she / he tried it.
>
> Help against itbs:
>
> - foam roller
> - patt strap (the band)
> - active release therapy (ART)
> - physiotherapy
> - stretching exercises
> - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
>
>
>
> Please add what helped you!!!
>
> Nora
>
>
> --
> Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?
ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a
>

Tried Airrosti but did not really help.
Tried Cortisone but relief was very temporary.
Tried the pat strap, but feel it is mostly psychological help.
Tried foam roller and continue to use it for my quads.
Tried physical therapy with marginal success at first but with
substantial strengthening of gluteus medius found significant relief.
Best PT was combined with some ART on the vastus lateralis to release
knots and trigger points.

Following PT, had to run several times for a mile or two in order to
rebuild strength in quads such that running was no longer painful.
Still have to baby IT band and use foam roller on quads, but I can run
15-20 miles per week now as long as I rest between runs.


On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, scarlett_vineyard wrote:

> Excellent idea Nora!
>
> Only one thing has truly helped me.
>
> Helped against itbs:
>
> -DEEP tissue massage. (This was not a pleasurable visit by any means--
> She dug her elbow into my butt for at least half an hour. It was
> excruciating, but I went from being able to run zero miles without
> pain to running 5 miles without pain the next day. She also left
> bruises down my right leg. She was AWESOME!)
>
> Others please respond and make a list as Nora suggested. Being
> sidelined is just terrible. I see people running when I am out and
> it just kills me. Ran my first marathon in Jan. and desperately want
> to run another.
>
> Scarlett
> Jackson, MS
>
> --- In itbs@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
> everyone can check if she / he tried it.
> >
> > Help against itbs:
> >
> > - foam roller
> > - patt strap (the band)
> > - active release therapy (ART)
> > - physiotherapy
> > - stretching exercises
> > - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> > - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
> >
> >
> >
> > Please add what helped you!!!
> >
> > Nora
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> > für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?
> ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a
> >
>
>
>



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Excellent idea Nora!

Only one thing has truly helped me.

Helped against itbs:

-DEEP tissue massage. (This was not a pleasurable visit by any means--
She dug her elbow into my butt for at least half an hour.  It was
excruciating, but I went from being able to run zero miles without
pain to running 5 miles without pain the next day.  She also left
bruises down my right leg.  She was AWESOME!)

Others please respond and make a list as Nora suggested.  Being
sidelined is just terrible.  I see people running when I am out and
it just kills me.  Ran my first marathon in Jan. and desperately want
to run another.

Scarlett
Jackson, MS

--- In itbs@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Reich" <nora11@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that
everyone can check if she / he tried it.
>
> Help against itbs:
>
> - foam roller
> - patt strap (the band)
> - active release therapy (ART)
> - physiotherapy
> - stretching exercises
> - no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
> - surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)
>
>
>
> Please add what helped you!!!
>
> Nora
>
>
> --
> Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
> für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?
ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a
>

Dear all,

let's make a list of things that helped against itbs, so that everyone can check
if she / he tried it.

Help against itbs:

- foam roller
- patt strap (the band)
- active release therapy (ART)
- physiotherapy
- stretching exercises
- no sports except for swimming with a pull boy for a year
- surgery (helped Nora only temporarily, itbs returned)



Please add what helped you!!!

Nora


--
Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL
für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a

Well, my thoughts exactly.

I've spent money on a foam roller, orthotics, patt straps, elastic bands for hip
strengthening, plus co-pays for doctors visits and diagnostic MRI.

So, it's not so much about the money, but whether the information is accurate or
not.  I know a few physical therapists, so I was even thinking of purchasing and
printing the article, and showing it to them to get their opinion.



--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Matt Moore <mgmoore7@...> wrote:
From: Matt Moore <mgmoore7@...>
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 1:45 PM












             I have seen this a time or two as well.  Seems somewhat hard to
believe that

this person has the answers and no one else does.  Also, only one the

4 testimonials even claim that the book helped them get over ITBS.  Not sure

I am willing to bite.  Although, I have spent much more on other things to

help so what is another $15?



On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Jeff McWilliams <jjmcwill2003@
yahoo.com>wrote:



>   Very interesting.

>

> I might be interested in paying for it, too, if someone can attest to the

> article legitimacy.  I don't want to throw money away on inaccurate or

> misleading information.

>

> Jeff

>

> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@earthlink.
net<dlaxague%40earthli nk.net>>

> wrote:

> From: Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@earthlink. net <dlaxague%40earthli nk.net>>

> Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band

> To: itbs@yahoogroups. com <itbs%40yahoogroups .com>

> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:39 AM

>

> Sarah and all,

>

> I went looking for a diagram to show why confining the ITB in its place or

>

> slot, as the band is designed to do, would help. I found this site instead:

>

> http://www.google. com/imgres? imgurl=http: //saveyourself. ca/resources/

> images/

>

> itbs-vs-pfps. jpg&imgrefurl=http://saveyourself .ca/tutorials/ iliotibial-

> band-

>

> syndrome.php& h=462&w=293& sz=24&tbnid= BCtt8fJ8x4ZdIM: :&tbnh=128&

> tbnw=81&prev=

>

> /images%3Fq% 3Ditbs%2Bdiagram &usg=__h6lNuw62D FPY70Y9ntBKUgjYi

> F8=&ei=6pSZSfnWG

>

> pnMsAPn-4mJAQ& sa=X&oi=image_ result&resnum= 2&ct=image& cd=1

>

> Good grief. TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/besxwn

>

> Has anyone paid to look at the rest of this argument? I'm usually pretty

>

> skeptical but what I read before I get to the "give me money" part actually

>

> sounds credible to me.

>

> Debbie Laxague

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>



--

Matt

mgmoore7@gmail. com

813-293-7333



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I have seen this a time or two as well.  Seems somewhat hard to believe that
this person has the answers and no one else does.  Also, only one the
4 testimonials even claim that the book helped them get over ITBS.  Not sure
I am willing to bite.  Although, I have spent much more on other things to
help so what is another $15?

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Jeff McWilliams <jjmcwill2003@...>wrote:

>   Very interesting.
>
> I might be interested in paying for it, too, if someone can attest to the
> article legitimacy.  I don't want to throw money away on inaccurate or
> misleading information.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, Laxague Deborah
<dlaxague@...<dlaxague%40earthlink.net>>
> wrote:
> From: Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@... <dlaxague%40earthlink.net>>
> Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band
> To: itbs@yahoogroups.com <itbs%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:39 AM
>
> Sarah and all,
>
> I went looking for a diagram to show why confining the ITB in its place or
>
> slot, as the band is designed to do, would help. I found this site instead:
>
> http://www.google. com/imgres? imgurl=http: //saveyourself. ca/resources/
> images/
>
> itbs-vs-pfps. jpg&imgrefurl=http://saveyourself .ca/tutorials/ iliotibial-
> band-
>
> syndrome.php& h=462&w=293& sz=24&tbnid= BCtt8fJ8x4ZdIM: :&tbnh=128&
> tbnw=81&prev=
>
> /images%3Fq% 3Ditbs%2Bdiagram &usg=__h6lNuw62D FPY70Y9ntBKUgjYi
> F8=&ei=6pSZSfnWG
>
> pnMsAPn-4mJAQ& sa=X&oi=image_ result&resnum= 2&ct=image& cd=1
>
> Good grief. TinyURL: http://tinyurl. com/besxwn
>
> Has anyone paid to look at the rest of this argument? I'm usually pretty
>
> skeptical but what I read before I get to the "give me money" part actually
>
> sounds credible to me.
>
> Debbie Laxague
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Matt
mgmoore7@...
813-293-7333


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the tip about electrical tape, I also considered using duct
tape---cheap wax job as a fringe benefit.  I probably already shared this and
you all have probably already tried this but I got a cortisone shot and that
worked miracles.  I have had no pain (I am knocking on wood and everything else)
and am back to running 15 miles a week, basketball and snowboarding.  I am using
the roller still and that strap but I am pain free....

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Jeff McWilliams <jjmcwill2003@...> wrote:


From: Jeff McWilliams <jjmcwill2003@...>
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:28 AM






Thanks for the info, Sarah.

I haven't had much luck with the strap either, and my ITBS gets aggravated even
when I'm hiking over rough terrain - no running involved whatsoever!

I've taken the winter off of most serious activity, and my pending hernia
operation will slow me down even more for the next month.  I have a foam roller,
and have been using that after strength/aerobic workouts at the gym, along with
stretching.

If I continue to have trouble this year, I'll be looking at the expensive ART
option.  I'm REALLY hoping I don't have to do that.  I'm not a runner, but I
involvement in backpacking, hiking, and adventure racing has me doing more on my
feet now that I have ever done before.

Cheers,

Jeff

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Sarah OConnor <youralgebra23@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sarah OConnor <youralgebra23@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band
To: itbs@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:12 AM

Re: Body Tape

For the men who are interested (Dennis) it's also called fashion tape and flash
tape.

Here's a link

http://senselingeri e.com/Adhesive- Tapes-C24. aspx?gclid= CM6ho4i24ZgCFQrF
GgodWUG_cQ

It's just double sided tape that sticks to skin. You could just put a couple of
pieces on the strap and it adheres to your skin. I think that it will work even
with sweat, and it's not that expensive.

Good luck. I wish that strap helped me, it seems to make it worse. I don't even
understand how the strap can help. If the injury is and issue of friction, then
wouldn't forcing the ITband to stay against the knee aggravate the condition?

I'm getting some ACR therapy from my massage therapist this week. I hope that it
helps.

I'm going to ask her about acupuncture.  I know that acupuncture won't change my
biomechanical issues, but maybe it will do something about the current
inflammation and I can start anew???? I'm so tired of not being able to run.

sarah

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@earthlink . net> wrote:

From: Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@earthlink . net>

Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band

To: itbs@yahoogroups. com

Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 10:09 PM

I don't know about body tape. In a pinch, I have used electrical tape for

my tennis elbow and for ITBS.

Electrical tape has some stretch and seems to work great, even better than

the "real" bands for these purposes. However, it is painful to remove and

irritates the skin - I could not use it on a regular basis for that reason.

I get better results banding or taping my tennis elbow and not great results

banding or taping the ITB, alas.

Debbie















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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the tip about electrical tape, I also considered using duct
tape---cheap wax job as a fringe benefit.  I probably already shared this and
you all have probably already tried this but I got a cortisone shot and that
worked miracles.  I have had no pain (I am knocking on wood and everything else)
and am back to running 15 miles a week, basketball and snowboarding.  I am using
the roller still and that strap but I am pain free....

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Jeff McWilliams <jjmcwill2003@...> wrote:


From: Jeff McWilliams <jjmcwill2003@...>
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:28 AM






Thanks for the info, Sarah.

I haven't had much luck with the strap either, and my ITBS gets aggravated even
when I'm hiking over rough terrain - no running involved whatsoever!

I've taken the winter off of most serious activity, and my pending hernia
operation will slow me down even more for the next month.  I have a foam roller,
and have been using that after strength/aerobic workouts at the gym, along with
stretching.

If I continue to have trouble this year, I'll be looking at the expensive ART
option.  I'm REALLY hoping I don't have to do that.  I'm not a runner, but I
involvement in backpacking, hiking, and adventure racing has me doing more on my
feet now that I have ever done before.

Cheers,

Jeff

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Sarah OConnor <youralgebra23@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sarah OConnor <youralgebra23@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band
To: itbs@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:12 AM

Re: Body Tape

For the men who are interested (Dennis) it's also called fashion tape and flash
tape.

Here's a link

http://senselingeri e.com/Adhesive- Tapes-C24. aspx?gclid= CM6ho4i24ZgCFQrF
GgodWUG_cQ

It's just double sided tape that sticks to skin. You could just put a couple of
pieces on the strap and it adheres to your skin. I think that it will work even
with sweat, and it's not that expensive.

Good luck. I wish that strap helped me, it seems to make it worse. I don't even
understand how the strap can help. If the injury is and issue of friction, then
wouldn't forcing the ITband to stay against the knee aggravate the condition?

I'm getting some ACR therapy from my massage therapist this week. I hope that it
helps.

I'm going to ask her about acupuncture.  I know that acupuncture won't change my
biomechanical issues, but maybe it will do something about the current
inflammation and I can start anew???? I'm so tired of not being able to run.

sarah

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@earthlink . net> wrote:

From: Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@earthlink . net>

Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band

To: itbs@yahoogroups. com

Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 10:09 PM

I don't know about body tape. In a pinch, I have used electrical tape for

my tennis elbow and for ITBS.

Electrical tape has some stretch and seems to work great, even better than

the "real" bands for these purposes. However, it is painful to remove and

irritates the skin - I could not use it on a regular basis for that reason.

I get better results banding or taping my tennis elbow and not great results

banding or taping the ITB, alas.

Debbie















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Very interesting.

I might be interested in paying for it, too, if someone can attest to the
article legitimacy.  I don't want to throw money away on inaccurate or
misleading information.

Jeff


--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@...> wrote:
From: Laxague Deborah <dlaxague@...>
Subject: Re: [itbs] Re: The band
To: itbs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:39 AM












             Sarah and all,



I went looking for a diagram to show why confining the ITB in its place or

slot, as the band is designed to do, would help.  I found this site instead:



http://www.google. com/imgres? imgurl=http: //saveyourself. ca/resources/
images/

itbs-vs-pfps. jpg&imgrefurl=http://saveyourself .ca/tutorials/ iliotibial- band-

syndrome.php& h=462&w=293& sz=24&tbnid= BCtt8fJ8x4ZdIM: :&tbnh=128&
tbnw=81&prev=

/images%3Fq% 3Ditbs%2Bdiagram &usg=__h6lNuw62D FPY70Y9ntBKUgjYi F8=&ei=6pSZSfnWG

pnMsAPn-4mJAQ& sa=X&oi=image_ result&resnum= 2&ct=image& cd=1



Good grief.  TinyURL:  http://tinyurl. com/besxwn



Has anyone paid to look at the rest of this argument?  I'm usually pretty

skeptical but what I read before I get to the "give me money" part actually

sounds credible to me.



Debbie Laxague































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