Hello
I am Naga Prasad ,  GIT alumni (1997-2001) and now pursuing MBA in
IIPM Hyderabad. Currently i hold 2 national records and 1 world
record. Now i am preparing for next world record of 101 hours marathon
typing on a computer on 10 august 2006 in lal bahadur indoor stadium.
I will be typing the book titled ,"The journey between 2 great
nations" authored by myself and to be released by Chief minister DR Y
S Raja Sekhar Reddy , this book is bilateral analysis between Indo-Pak
relations.I am performing this world record event to support my
shooting sports career. For more details please login
http://www.nagaprasad.com .  I kindly request you to join our online
team to associate with the forthcoming world record event with
valuable suggestions and moral support as my friends are the major
reason behind every task accomplished. To join please click this link
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ournagaprasad/  I kindly invite
to visit the venue and bless me in this regard
As a small contribution for the cause of this event, please pass this
message to your online associates.
Inconvenience regretted.

Thank you
Nag

M Naga Prasad
# 7, B K Complex, 2nd floor,
Road # 14 , Near Bhagyanagar studio,
Banjara Hills,
Hyderabad-500034.
India

www.nagaprasad.com
  +91 040 65186766
+91 040 23548259 (Fax)
+91 98497 23765
Email : recordsnag@...

Anyone here has any creative solution for a bag to have a Dahon in? I
was thinking of something with a rigid bottom (preferrably - foldable
in two), soft sides, collapsible into a small package, with wheels and
a nice zipper that goes all the way down - so that it is easy to put
the Dahon in and take it out. Perhaps, there's place where once can
order such bags? How much would it cost then?

Thanks!

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

Hello all!

I have good news for you. "Rakevet Israel" gave up its restriction:
from now on (and this is official!) a folding bicycle is allowed on
the train - provided it is folded and covered. And for those who were
contemplating a Brompton - the "Bisicletta" shop, located at Ibn
Gvirol 173, Tel-Aviv, will be servicing them shortly.

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

For you information, guys and girls. If you want to join the fight -
here we start. Below is my e-mail to the TAABA (The Tel-Aviv Bike
Association - the one that works toward making Tel-Aviv and other
cities friendlier places to the bikes), and them picking up the glove.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Amir Paster <ampaster@...>
Date: Feb 2, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: bike on train campaign
To: Daniel Mishori <mishorid@...>, Dan Stein <maadan@...>,
didinavon@..., yotam avizohar <national.bike.trail@...>,
dimrub@..., Jonathan Rosenblatt <John.ros@...>,
noaessner@..., tami_hay@..., rotemmarinov@...,
"avnon noam @%-----%@" <noamavnon@...>, Mordechai Arenson
<mordi@...>, Tomer Bachar <tomerb@...>, Hanan Levy
<hanan_levy@...>, Eitan Hevroni <ehevrony@...>



שלום לכולם
רכבת ישראל מכריזה מלחמה על רוכבי האופניים. 
שימו לב למכתב הבא


אני הוא אחד ממאות בעלי אופניים מתקפלים
בישראל. עד היום הייתי כל יום
רוכב מהבית עד לתחנת הרכבת, מקפל את האופניים
ועולה על הרכבת. לא עוד:
לפי הוראה חדשה מפי סמנכ"ל נוסעים, מר יוסי
כרמלי, נאסרה הכניסה לתחנות
עם האופניים - אפילו במצב מקופל ובתוך התיק.
וזה אומר - בחזרה אל הכבישים
הפקוקים והאוטו הזולל דלק

אני מתכוון להיאבק בהחלטה זו שנראית לי
אומללה ושרירותית, דרך אמצעי
התקשורת ואם יהי צורך - דרך בית המשפט. השאלה
שלי כאן היא האם אתם, עם
הנסיון של עבודה מול הרשויות בנושאים הקשורים
לאופניים, יכולים לעזור

תודה מראש לכל מי שיתייחס. ניתן לכתוב לי
לכתובת
dimrub@...

ישראל בשביל אופניים מרימה את הכפפה ומזמינה
את כולם להצטרף למאבק
כרגע מסתמן שהמאבק יהיה טוטאלי- גם לגבי
המתקפלות וגם לאפשר להעלות
אופניים רגילות לרכבת בשעות שאין עומס,
לוקרים לאופניים בתחנות והצטיידות
עתידית של הרכבת.

הסטודנטים ובכלל כולם נקראים לדגל.

צפוי קמפיין אגרסיבי (עבודה מול מקבלי
החלטות?עצומה?.. הפגנה?.. מיצג
צבעוני בשער התחנה?.. עבודה מול תקשורת..)
מיפגש פעילים לגיבוש אסטרטגיה ייערך ביום
שלישי בשעה 18:30 במרכז השל
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בשלב ראשון אני עומד לנסות להתקשר ישירות עם
עופר לינצ'בסקי או העוזרת
שלו ביום ראשון לנסות לקבל תגובה ולנסות
לקבוע פגישה מיידית
בינתיים אתם מוזמנים לשלח מכתב עצבני לפניות
הציבור ברכבת pniot@...

יש דיון בנושא בפורום אופניים בתפוז
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טל' שלי
  050-7705338


והנה תיראו את התשובה הפתלתלה של הרכבת למכתב
של נועם אבנון לאחר שמנעו
ממנו להעלות אופניים בתיק שתפר במיוחד:

לכבוד

מר נעם אבנון

א.נ.,



הנדון: פנייתך לרכבת ישראל בנושא עליה לרכבת
בליווי תיק/כבודה

ברצוננו להודות לך על פנייתך שבנדון להשיב
ככלל לשתי שאלותיך האחרונות
בחיוב ולהמשיך ולעדכן כי ככלל ניתן להשתמש
בשירותי רכבות הנוסעים בלווית
כבודה - ובלבד שתעשה בהתאם להנחיות. היינו -
נוסע יכול לעלות לרכבת גם
כאשר הוא נושא עימו חבילה - למשל כדוגמאת
הציוד/חב

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

Hello All,
This piece of news is sad and shows real signs of ignorance and
stupidity from the train people like someone wrote...

I'm also willing to join a struggle
to educate israel-railway about the train and folding bike dual.

Hanan.

To sweeten the pill, here are some better news: Brompton is back. A
shop named "Bicicletta", located at Ibn Gvirol 173, Tel-Aviv, is
taking over. It already provides service for Bromptons, and it will
soon start taking orders for  spares and new bikes. Their site is:

http://www.groopy.co.il/sites/main.aspx?st=53

So, all we have to do now - is prevade over the "Rakevet Israel"
beaurocrats - and we're on the roll.

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

Hello, guys!

Actually, I already started to act. I wrote to a number of mass media
people that I happen to know, to the TAB"A society (that work in order
to make Tel-Aviv and other cities more bike-friendly) I also wrote to
same Mr. Yair Agmon, and I plan to write to a whole bunch of people in
Knesset, to Mr. Huldai etc. It is quite possible I will set up signing
campaign at some point - I will update you guys if so.

On 2/2/06, guyzil <guyzil@...> wrote:
> --- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, "ranlevko99" <sranlevk@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dmitry ran and all
>
> My name is guy zilbershtein and I'm a new owner of a pair of dahon
> and a new member in this group.
>
> In the last two weeks I'm taking the train to work from tel-aviv
> (mercaz) to hod-hasharon. I was quite happy from this arrangment
> until, like in your case, I was told that I'm not allowd to go up
> with my folders.
>
> I want to take part in the action against rakevet israel. I believe
> we will have more power fighting this decision as a group then
> individuals.
>
> please let me know if there is something we can do, maybe to arrange
> a meeting or colecting signetures.
>
> we have to fight it toghter !
>
> guy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

--- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, "ranlevko99" <sranlevk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dmitry ran and all

My name is guy zilbershtein and I'm a new owner of a pair of dahon
and a new member in this group.

In the last two weeks I'm taking the train to work from tel-aviv
(mercaz) to hod-hasharon. I was quite happy from this arrangment
until, like in your case, I was told that I'm not allowd to go up
with my folders.

I want to take part in the action against rakevet israel. I believe
we will have more power fighting this decision as a group then
individuals.

please let me know if there is something we can do, maybe to arrange
a meeting or colecting signetures.

we have to fight it toghter !

guy.

Hi Dmitry and all

Well, haven't been here for a long time but I also have some stuff
to add on that

It was nice too to meet you too the other day on the way out of the
train (: After seeing you going out of the train with your
bikes "just like that" I really thought that everything is OK and
back to normal..
I wanted to make sure though, so on my way to the train I stopped at
the train manager and told him that I wasn't allowed in with folding
bikes few days before and wanted to know if its ok now .. (ovcourse
I didn't tell him that I've seen someone just going through...). For
my disappointment he repeated the same as I got last time - "folding
bikes are not allowed, even if they are inside a bag".. write a
letter to Nziv Pniyot Hazibur" he said ..

well, I did that.. I've sent a complaint about this stupid new
regulation to the email and fax of this yariv agmon .. it was sent
in the 10-th of January and except of automated reply I got NOTHING
yet..when I called his secretary few days ago to ask why I didn't
get any reply she could just tell me "send again". She claims that
she cant know the status of handling my complaint since the emails
and faxes go directly to yariv agmon.. Well what does she do there
all day I was asking myself..
I couldn't reach yariv agmon in the direct number which Shelly gave
but maybe I didn't try hard enough..

I also tried to send the story to the red email of Ynet but got
nothing..
I have few more ideas regarding sending this story to the media and
I also defiantly think we shouldn't give up here.

Last, during this period I tried my luck again.. I went into the
train in the tel aviv university station but from rokah' side
(usually I come from ramat aviv side). I closed my bag completely
and this time no one stopped me .. And in Haifa hof hakarmel station
(where I come back from work) - nobody seems to care..

So bottom line I think we should make some noise here and im willing
to take a part.. We are not such a big population (to say the least)
and we are not so miserable (I mean there are other sectors like
handicaps which are much more miserable in some cases) so, for my
opinion, the strongest argument we have here is simply the STUPIDITY
of this decision.. And nobody likes to look stupid ..

Below I attached the letter I sent by me to MR. yariv agmon and the
automated (and only) answer which I got till now

Tomorrow ill try my luck again with my bikes (what a thrill) - ill
update you..

10x

Ran

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--- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, Dmitry Rubinstein <dimrub@...>
wrote:
>
> So, folks, as of today - this is official. I was shown out of the
> station - and shown a directive, signed by Yossi Carmeli, "samankal
> nos'im", stating that folding bikes are off limits - even when
folded
> and inside a bag.
>
> But this is not over, by far. I will try to engage the media
people,
> and if need be - take "Rakevet Israel" to court - I don't think
they
> have the right to make such arbitrary decisions. I will keep you
> posted. Wish me luck!
>
> This comes at a worst of times - when I was actually almost ready
to
> announce, that Brompton service and import is about to resum.
> Obviously, this poor decision by Rakevet Israel puts a large
question
> mark about all this.
>
> On 1/8/06, Shelly <shel-b@...> wrote:
> > I was told the direct phone number for Yariv Agmon is 03-
6937955, and the
> > number of his secretary, Michal, is 03-6937901.  (I didn't get
him when I
> > called so I sent an e-mail.)
> >
> > Shelly
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From:   israfold@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:israfold@yahoogroups.com]  On Behalf
> > Of ranlevko99
> > Sent:   Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:31 AM
> > To:     israfold@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:        [israfold] Re: no more train ..
> >
> > thanks (:
> >
> > Well the only one who might be responsive is
> > רכ�`ת ישראל פניות �"צי�`ור
> > ת.�". 18085 ת"א 61180
> > פקס: 6937443 - 03
> > טלפון: 6937409 - 03
> > (�`ימים א'-�"': 08:00-16:00)
> > �"וא"ל : pniyot@...
> >
> > i called there but they didnt let me talk with him - only email
or
> > fax.. so ill try to do that and see how responsive the guy is..
(his
> > name is yariv agmon)
> >
> > except of that Im going to try n send this story to any portal
which
> > might advertise it..
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > ran
> >
> >
> > --- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, "Shelly" <shel-b@z...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  When you're at a train station try to get contact details of
the
> > > person/people in management who made this decision so we can
> > contact them
> > > and get others to contact them.
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: ranlevko99
> > > Date: 01/05/06 01:48:25
> > > To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [israfold] no more train ..
> > >
> > > Hi people
> > >
> > > Im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my
way
> > > From Tel Aviv to Haifa.
> > >
> > > This morning when I arrived to the train (Tel Aviv universita)
I
> > was
> > > Told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any
more
> > to
> > > Get into the train / train station area.
> > > Tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
> > > Management decision.
> > >
> > > This really sux bad
> > >
> > > Did it happen to anyone of u as well ?
> > >
> > > I don't want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards
bike
> > > Riders they do a step back .. And they have no right not to
let me
> > > Inside with the bikes in a bag ..
> > >
> > > Will be happy to hear from u
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Ran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Vale,
> Dmitry Rubinstein
>

So, folks, as of today - this is official. I was shown out of the
station - and shown a directive, signed by Yossi Carmeli, "samankal
nos'im", stating that folding bikes are off limits - even when folded
and inside a bag.

But this is not over, by far. I will try to engage the media people,
and if need be - take "Rakevet Israel" to court - I don't think they
have the right to make such arbitrary decisions. I will keep you
posted. Wish me luck!

This comes at a worst of times - when I was actually almost ready to
announce, that Brompton service and import is about to resum.
Obviously, this poor decision by Rakevet Israel puts a large question
mark about all this.

On 1/8/06, Shelly <shel-b@...> wrote:
> I was told the direct phone number for Yariv Agmon is 03-6937955, and the
> number of his secretary, Michal, is 03-6937901.  (I didn't get him when I
> called so I sent an e-mail.)
>
> Shelly
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:   israfold@yahoogroups.com [mailto:israfold@yahoogroups.com]  On Behalf
> Of ranlevko99
> Sent:   Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:31 AM
> To:     israfold@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:        [israfold] Re: no more train ..
>
> thanks (:
>
> Well the only one who might be responsive is
> רכבת ישראל פניות הציבור
> ת.ד. 18085 ת"א 61180
> פקס: 6937443 - 03
> טלפון: 6937409 - 03
> (בימים א'-ה': 08:00-16:00)
> דוא"ל : pniyot@...
>
> i called there but they didnt let me talk with him - only email or
> fax.. so ill try to do that and see how responsive the guy is..(his
> name is yariv agmon)
>
> except of that Im going to try n send this story to any portal which
> might advertise it..
>
> thanks
>
> ran
>
>
> --- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, "Shelly" <shel-b@z...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  When you're at a train station try to get contact details of the
> > person/people in management who made this decision so we can
> contact them
> > and get others to contact them.
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: ranlevko99
> > Date: 01/05/06 01:48:25
> > To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [israfold] no more train ..
> >
> > Hi people
> >
> > Im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way
> > From Tel Aviv to Haifa.
> >
> > This morning when I arrived to the train (Tel Aviv universita) I
> was
> > Told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any more
> to
> > Get into the train / train station area.
> > Tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
> > Management decision.
> >
> > This really sux bad
> >
> > Did it happen to anyone of u as well ?
> >
> > I don't want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards bike
> > Riders they do a step back .. And they have no right not to let me
> > Inside with the bikes in a bag ..
> >
> > Will be happy to hear from u
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

http://www.tapuz.co.il/tapuzforum/main/Viewmsg.asp?forum=652&msgid=69031784

This guy here somehow managed to get into troubles with the station
personnel - to the point that they followed after him anywhere.
Anyhow, he's got the strida. While I wouldn't trade my Brompton for it
(hell, I wouldn't trade it for anything), still it's a nice concept:
http://www.strida.com/

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

Just FYI: a few days ago I saw a Dahon Piccolo for sale in a bike shop
on Hashmonaim st. in Tel-Aviv (I don't know the name of the shop, but
it's the one closest to the Petach Tikwa road, or whatever it is
called now). Mind you, this particular model is not the best one by
Dahon (by a long way). It has smaller 16" wheels and it is quite
heavy. Still, something to consider.

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

ok.
owned - a motangue folding mountain bike for the last
4 years , until was stolen a month ago.
took it repitatly from tel aviv to haifa in the train.

now i own a Dahon folding mountain bike - second hand
from Hobies in ramat-gan .

Hanan.

--- Dmitry Rubinstein <dimrub@...> wrote:

> Well, as I said last week, there is no problem (as
> of now) to go with
> a folded (and covered) bike on a train. I went
> through the Tel-Aviv
> University station 3 times this week - and
> everything was fine. Only
> once did the security protest - but relented after a
> short MIRS talk
> with the station manager. Apparently, they got some
> new instructions
> that were misinterpreted somewhere along the chain
> of command, so this
> must explain the problems Ran ran into last week.
> And speaking of Ran,
> our list must have reached the critical mass (at 11
> members) - and we
> start bumping one into the other. In particular,
> while leaving the
> aforementioned station this Monday (I think), I was
> called at by name,
> and there Ran was :). Nice to have met, Ran!
>
> Oh, and while at it, will you guys and gals care to
> tell who owns
> which model of a folder (if any), and if not -
> whether you intend to
> buy?
>
> --
> Vale,
> Dmitry Rubinstein
>


Hanan Levy
0546-254616
04-8321362

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Well, as I said last week, there is no problem (as of now) to go with
a folded (and covered) bike on a train. I went through the Tel-Aviv
University station 3 times this week - and everything was fine. Only
once did the security protest - but relented after a short MIRS talk
with the station manager. Apparently, they got some new instructions
that were misinterpreted somewhere along the chain of command, so this
must explain the problems Ran ran into last week. And speaking of Ran,
our list must have reached the critical mass (at 11 members) - and we
start bumping one into the other. In particular, while leaving the
aforementioned station this Monday (I think), I was called at by name,
and there Ran was :). Nice to have met, Ran!

Oh, and while at it, will you guys and gals care to tell who owns
which model of a folder (if any), and if not - whether you intend to
buy?

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

Thought i would share something with ya'll. Great fun       and it   does
actually work. Met my girl on here, http://www.onlinebarandchatroom.info/khtt
and so far it's been the best year of my life ever! Wish you all the same
happiness.

Great, then, whoever will get to this person first, please let the
rest of us know what came up in the conversation.

On 1/8/06, Shelly <shel-b@...> wrote:
> I was told the direct phone number for Yariv Agmon is 03-6937955, and the
> number of his secretary, Michal, is 03-6937901.  (I didn't get him when I
> called so I sent an e-mail.)
>
> Shelly
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:   israfold@yahoogroups.com [mailto:israfold@yahoogroups.com]  On Behalf
> Of ranlevko99
> Sent:   Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:31 AM
> To:     israfold@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:        [israfold] Re: no more train ..
>
> thanks (:
>
> Well the only one who might be responsive is
> רכבת ישראל פניות הציבור
> ת.ד. 18085 ת"א 61180
> פקס: 6937443 - 03
> טלפון: 6937409 - 03
> (בימים א'-ה': 08:00-16:00)
> דוא"ל : pniyot@...
>
> i called there but they didnt let me talk with him - only email or
> fax.. so ill try to do that and see how responsive the guy is..(his
> name is yariv agmon)
>
> except of that Im going to try n send this story to any portal which
> might advertise it..
>
> thanks
>
> ran
>
>
> --- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, "Shelly" <shel-b@z...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  When you're at a train station try to get contact details of the
> > person/people in management who made this decision so we can
> contact them
> > and get others to contact them.
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: ranlevko99
> > Date: 01/05/06 01:48:25
> > To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [israfold] no more train ..
> >
> > Hi people
> >
> > Im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way
> > From Tel Aviv to Haifa.
> >
> > This morning when I arrived to the train (Tel Aviv universita) I
> was
> > Told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any more
> to
> > Get into the train / train station area.
> > Tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
> > Management decision.
> >
> > This really sux bad
> >
> > Did it happen to anyone of u as well ?
> >
> > I don't want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards bike
> > Riders they do a step back .. And they have no right not to let me
> > Inside with the bikes in a bag ..
> >
> > Will be happy to hear from u
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

On 1/8/06, ranlevko99 <sranlevk@...> wrote:
> Till now I usually was let into the train station area with the bikes
> not folded and used to fold them next to the ticket office..
> Sometimes they ask me to fold it before I pass the security guy/girl..

I ALWAYS fold them before the ticket office. Hell, I used to ride all
the way there (it's a long passage from the security to the tickets) -
till they told me to stop, and I obliged.

> Since they have no reason to have anything specifically against me, I
> really don't understand why they didn't let me pass and at the same
> day - let u pass.. What time did you pass through / did you pass
> through also on Thursday?

It was around 19:00 or so. And no, I did not ride there on Thu. It all
probably depends on the specific station manager. I passed there again
today (about an hour ago), but on the way out. I will be returning
this evening through that station, and we'll see again :).

> When they didn't let me in, I tried talking with the station manager
> and he told me that the decision is final and applies for all train
> stations etc..

Nonsence. As I said, this looks like a local initiative of an overly
zealous station manager.

> Are u going through tel aviv university every day? Maybe I just have
> pass with you and im safe  (:

No problem :).

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

I was told the direct phone number for Yariv Agmon is 03-6937955, and the
number of his secretary, Michal, is 03-6937901.  (I didn't get him when I
called so I sent an e-mail.)

Shelly

  -----Original Message-----
From:  israfold@yahoogroups.com [mailto:israfold@yahoogroups.com]  On Behalf
Of ranlevko99
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:31 AM
To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [israfold] Re: no more train ..

thanks (:

Well the only one who might be responsive is
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i called there but they didnt let me talk with him - only email or
fax.. so ill try to do that and see how responsive the guy is..(his
name is yariv agmon)

except of that Im going to try n send this story to any portal which
might advertise it..

thanks

ran


--- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, "Shelly" <shel-b@z...> wrote:
>
>
>
>  When you're at a train station try to get contact details of the
> person/people in management who made this decision so we can
contact them
> and get others to contact them.
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: ranlevko99
> Date: 01/05/06 01:48:25
> To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [israfold] no more train ..
>
> Hi people
>
> Im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way
> From Tel Aviv to Haifa.
>
> This morning when I arrived to the train (Tel Aviv universita) I
was
> Told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any more
to
> Get into the train / train station area.
> Tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
> Management decision.
>
> This really sux bad
>
> Did it happen to anyone of u as well ?
>
> I don't want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards bike
> Riders they do a step back .. And they have no right not to let me
> Inside with the bikes in a bag ..
>
> Will be happy to hear from u
>
> Thanks
>
> Ran
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>







Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi Dmitry

Indeed its stranger to me now.. I had a look in the brompton site -
the bicycle look cool but they are not invisible for sure .. (:

Till now I usually was let into the train station area with the bikes
not folded and used to fold them next to the ticket office..
Sometimes they ask me to fold it before I pass the security guy/girl..

Since they have no reason to have anything specifically against me, I
really don't understand why they didn't let me pass and at the same
day - let u pass.. What time did you pass through / did you pass
through also on Thursday?
When they didn't let me in, I tried talking with the station manager
and he told me that the decision is final and applies for all train
stations etc..

Well, I think ill give it another try then.. Ill come with my bikes
already folded, inside the bag, and see what happens..

Are u going through tel aviv university every day? Maybe I just have
pass with you and im safe  (:

ill let you know what happens

10x

ran

--- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, Dmitry Rubinstein <dimrub@g...>
wrote:
>
> This is really strange. That's the station where I get on the train
> (Tel-Aviv - Universita) - and the last time I did it was yesterday -
> noone gives me any trouble there with my Brompton. I don't even
cover
> it - unless asked to do so, with is rather rare occurance. Perhaps
in
> the meantime you can fold it outside the station and go in when it's
> already in the bag.
>
> On 1/5/06, ranlevko99 <sranlevk@z...> wrote:
> > Hi people
> >
> > im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way
> > from tel aviv to haifa.
> >
> > this morning when i arrived to the train (tel aviv universita) i
was
> > told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any more
to
> > get into the train / train station area.
> > tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
> > management decision.
> >
> > this really sux bad
> >
> > did it happen to anyone of u as well ?
> >
> > I dont want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards bike
> > riders they do a step back .. and they have no right not to let me
> > inside with the bikes in a bag ..
> >
> > will be happy to hear from u
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Ran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Vale,
> Dmitry Rubinstein
>

thanks (:

Well the only one who might be responsive is
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(����� �'-�': 08:00-16:00)
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i called there but they didnt let me talk with him - only email or
fax.. so ill try to do that and see how responsive the guy is..(his
name is yariv agmon)

except of that Im going to try n send this story to any portal which
might advertise it..

thanks

ran


--- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, "Shelly" <shel-b@z...> wrote:
>
>
>
>  When you're at a train station try to get contact details of the
> person/people in management who made this decision so we can
contact them
> and get others to contact them.
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: ranlevko99
> Date: 01/05/06 01:48:25
> To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [israfold] no more train ..
>
> Hi people
>
> Im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way
> From Tel Aviv to Haifa.
>
> This morning when I arrived to the train (Tel Aviv universita) I
was
> Told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any more
to
> Get into the train / train station area.
> Tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
> Management decision.
>
> This really sux bad
>
> Did it happen to anyone of u as well ?
>
> I don't want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards bike
> Riders they do a step back .. And they have no right not to let me
> Inside with the bikes in a bag ..
>
> Will be happy to hear from u
>
> Thanks
>
> Ran
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

This is really strange. That's the station where I get on the train
(Tel-Aviv - Universita) - and the last time I did it was yesterday -
noone gives me any trouble there with my Brompton. I don't even cover
it - unless asked to do so, with is rather rare occurance. Perhaps in
the meantime you can fold it outside the station and go in when it's
already in the bag.

On 1/5/06, ranlevko99 <sranlevk@...> wrote:
> Hi people
>
> im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way
> from tel aviv to haifa.
>
> this morning when i arrived to the train (tel aviv universita) i was
> told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any more to
> get into the train / train station area.
> tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
> management decision.
>
> this really sux bad
>
> did it happen to anyone of u as well ?
>
> I dont want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards bike
> riders they do a step back .. and they have no right not to let me
> inside with the bikes in a bag ..
>
> will be happy to hear from u
>
> thanks
>
> Ran
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

When you're at a train station try to get contact details of the
person/people in management who made this decision so we can contact them
and get others to contact them.

-------Original Message-------

From: ranlevko99
Date: 01/05/06 01:48:25
To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [israfold] no more train ..

Hi people

Im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way
From Tel Aviv to Haifa.

This morning when I arrived to the train (Tel Aviv universita) I was
Told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any more to
Get into the train / train station area.
Tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
Management decision.

This really sux bad

Did it happen to anyone of u as well ?

I don't want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards bike
Riders they do a step back .. And they have no right not to let me
Inside with the bikes in a bag ..

Will be happy to hear from u

Thanks

Ran






Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi people

im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way
from tel aviv to haifa.

this morning when i arrived to the train (tel aviv universita) i was
told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any more to
get into the train / train station area.
tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
management decision.

this really sux bad

did it happen to anyone of u as well ?

I dont want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards bike
riders they do a step back .. and they have no right not to let me
inside with the bikes in a bag ..

will be happy to hear from u

thanks

Ran

I gave him the address of the group home at his request...
I suggest contacting him directly with any questions

Shelly

-----Original Message-----
From: israfold@yahoogroups.com [mailto:israfold@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Dmitry Rubinstein
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:10 AM
To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [israfold] FW: Dahon Bikes in Israel

That's great! I hope Shlomi will join us here - and we will be able to
ask him, which stores will be carrying a Dahon.

On 1/4/06, Shelly <shel-b@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Shlomi Deutsch, who is the Dahon dealer in Israel, says he should have
bikes
> for sale to individuals in April.  In addition, he might have a few spares
> at the end of January.  He can be reached at shlomido@... or at
> 050-7201224.
>
> Shelly
--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein



Yahoo! Groups Links

That's great! I hope Shlomi will join us here - and we will be able to
ask him, which stores will be carrying a Dahon.

On 1/4/06, Shelly <shel-b@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Shlomi Deutsch, who is the Dahon dealer in Israel, says he should have bikes
> for sale to individuals in April.  In addition, he might have a few spares
> at the end of January.  He can be reached at shlomido@... or at
> 050-7201224.
>
> Shelly
--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

Hi,

Shlomi Deutsch, who is the Dahon dealer in Israel, says he should have bikes
for sale to individuals in April.  In addition, he might have a few spares
at the end of January.  He can be reached at shlomido@... or at
050-7201224.

Shelly

> -----Original Message-----
> From: deutsch [mailto:ns_shlomido@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:57 PM
> To: Shelly
> Subject: Re: Dahon Bikes in Israel
>
> HI SHELI
>
> by end of January , we are recieving the first shipment of Dahons .
> they are sold already to Skoda car dealers .
> perhaps i will have 1-2 spares in this shipment ( speed p8 or Jetstream
> p8 )
>
> next shipments will be much later and i believe that sometimes in April
> ,we > will start  selling them to individuals through  stores .
>
> if u like , u can try e-mail me sometimes 26-27/1 - i will know if i have
> a > " spare bike" from the " skoda shipmet " .
>
> if it may interest you ( or u know someone else whom might ) , i have a
> demo > bike ( folding - high end ) which i tested in Israel before i
decided to
> go > with Dahon .
> these are high end mountain/ road bike - folding ( full suspension )
> "Airnimal Rhino " which i'm offering for sale .
>
> sorry i can't sell you the Dahon right now , as i explained the situation
> .
> kol tuv
> shlomi
> ps- can you send me the link to the " folding society " chat room in
> Israel > ( i think u mentioned something like this )
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shelly" <shel-b@...>
> To: "deutsch" <ns_shlomido@...>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Dahon Bikes in Israel
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I talked to you a couple months ago about Dahon bikes. I would like to
>> know
>> what's happening and if you're set up now to sell the bikes to
>> individuals.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Shelly
>> 050-7418664
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: deutsch [mailto:ns_shlomido@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:31 PM
>> To: Shelly
>> Subject: Re: Dahon Bikes in Israel
>>
>> Hi Shelly ,
>> u can call me on 0523793032
>> thanks
>> shlomi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shelly" <shel-b@...>
>> To: <ns_shlomido@...>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:48 AM
>> Subject: Dahon Bikes in Israel
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've been told by Dahon that you are their new distributor in Israel. I
>>> am
>>> interested in buying a Dahon bike and would like to talk to you and see
>>> what
>>> bikes you have and their cost.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate it if you could let me know where you are located and
>>> give me your phone number so that I can get more information.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Shelly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 31/10/2005
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> 02/01/2006
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date:
> 02/01/2006
>
>

Dear Hanan!

Last time I spoke with Ilan of "Ilan's bikes", he was going to shut
down the store and leave Israel for a duration. I guess, the fact that
his phone is disconnected means that he'd went through with his
decision. He planned to pass the exclusivity to someone else, but I'm
not sure that this indeed happened - so as of now, there's no Brompton
dealer in Israel. What can be done about this is that we can gather up
a certain number of orders and order Bromptons by ourselves. For just
one bike it will probably be easier for you to bring it from abroad.

As of Dahons, there is supposed to be a new dealer. His showroom is
located, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere near the Ramat Gan mall
(Renault agency, perhaps?) Shelli, who is also on this list, made the
inquiry and contacted the dealer. It was also about a month ago - and
the dealer was in the process of setting things up. So it's Brompton
out, Dahon in, I guess. I hope Shelli will update us as to whether
this dealer is all set by now.

That's about all, I guess. Welcome aboard!

On 12/3/05, hanan_levy <hanan_levy@...> wrote:
> hello Dmitry,
> I had a montague folding bike for the last 4 years, and happily used
> the train with it.
> This was until it was stolen 2 days ago...
> So - I've been wanting to replace it with a brompton since the summer ,
> and now i'm gonna do it.
> I've been trying to call Ilan's bikes, and the phone is not connected -
> did he close the shop, or change a number ?
> Where can i get a brompton here in Israel now?
> and a Dahon - is there an importer now?
>
> congragulations on the new forum,
> Hanan.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

hello Dmitry,
I had a montague folding bike for the last 4 years, and happily used
the train with it.
This was until it was stolen 2 days ago...
So - I've been wanting to replace it with a brompton since the summer ,
and now i'm gonna do it.
I've been trying to call Ilan's bikes, and the phone is not connected -
did he close the shop, or change a number ?
Where can i get a brompton here in Israel now?
and a Dahon - is there an importer now?

congragulations on the new forum,
Hanan.

The first and foremost reason to buy a folding bike - is, obviously,
commuting. Here's how I get to work every day: I unfold my Brompton,
ride it to the railway station, fold it, take a train to "University"
in Tel-Aviv, unfold the Brompton - and ride it through the "Ganei
Yoshua" bicycle path all the way to Ramat Hahayal, where my office is
located.

So, how convenient it is to take a folder on a train? Quite
convenient, but there are some point to have in mind:
1. The security does not like large covered objects, so it's best to
fold the bike where they can see that it's a bike. Only then do you
cover it.
2. And cover it you do, because the station personnel sometimes (more
often than not) requires the bike to be covered - probably so that the
protruding parts don't get caught in other passenger's clothes.
3. The ticket checkers. There's a bit of a problem with those - since
they are quite high, and you have to strain your hands to get the bike
over them. Fortunately, my Brompton passes under those - people with
Dahon (20" wheels) will not enjoy this luxury.
4. Once on the train, the best place for your folder is between the
seats, where people sometimes put their luggage. Brompton fits there
nicely.
5. The curious folks. If you own a folder, get used to people asking
questions. The questions are always the same, and almost always asked
in a particular order: "How much does it cost?" "Where did you buy
it?" "Is it any good"? Sometimes I am also told "Do you know that you
can buy two pairs of ordinary bikes for this price?" Yes, thank you,
I've been told already! :)

Overall, taking a train and using the folder on both sides of it, is
quite nice.

I haven't tried to take a bus, but I guess there shouldn't be any
problem - especially with intercity buses (considering the size of the
bags soldiers are hauling onto these).

That's it, more or less. Oh, 2 more things:

It appears that we will soon have a Dahon distributor. Another person
on this list will let us know the details once available. Dahon makes
very nice bikes - and they are cheaper than Brompton too!

And another thing - a question: does anyone ('cept myself) here indeed
owns a folding bike? If not, do you intend to buy one soon? And if so,
what are your considerations towards buying one?
--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstein

Welcome to the brand new IsraFold mailing list! I thought it would be
nice to have such a list, since there are quite a few folding bicycle
owners in Israel, and probably much more prospective owners, all
searching (in vain) for information on purchase, service, regulations
- and, well, everything. I hope many more will join us and this will
help promote folding bicycles in Israel.

Let's kick off with some basic info about the models of folders
available in Israel and the respective vendors. I will probably put it
somewhere on the web as well.

1. Giant. Those who are on good terms with 'cumbersomes' (as opposed
to folders) probably heard about this brand. They make folders as
well. Theirs called "Giant Halfway"
(http://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/030.000.000/030.000.000.asp?year=2005&model=11\
121).
There are at least 3 modifications being sold in Israel, they differ
by their gear (either a single gear, or 3 gear with internal hub, or 7
gears), by the presense (or lack thereof) of the rear spring and of a
rear rack. Giant's flagship store is located in the new Nethaniya's
industrial zone, "Hamahshev st. 1" (across from the Cellcom building).
The bike has a clever folding mechanism, it is nice to ride, features
20" wheels and is moderately priced - ranging from 2100 to 2900. There
is also a store located in Ramat Hahayal, in Tel-Aviv, that sells an
older model of Giant for much less.

2. Dahon. Their catalog (available at their web site at
http://www.dahon.com/) features an abundance of models for every
possible taste. Unfortunately, they are not imported to Israel. A
single model of Dahon available here and there is called Piccolo, and
it is their worst. I tried to establish contact with Dahon in order to
see what are the perspectives of their establishing a dealer here, and
the chances seem to be slim: they won't deal with anyone who will not
be able to buy 100 bicycles at a pop, and this is just ain't feasible
in our little country. Piccolo I strongly advise against: I tried
riding one (though not a brand new one), it's a pain, and it will
probably fall apart after a year or so of usage.

3. There is a dealer called KSM, who brings in some sort of a folder.
I think we can safely dismiss it as a label bicycle, which should be
avoided at all costs, especially with folders:
http://www.khorshidi.co.il/index.asp?id=64

4. Brompton. http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/ This is the Jaguar of
folders. It is produced in England, features a revolutionary design of
the folding mechanism, and it is a pleasure to ride - and to own one
(you might have guessed that I own one). It rides really well, folds
in under 15 seconds (I've taken times!) and will last you for many
years. There are 2 drawbacks, however. First one - it is quite
expensive. It costs somewhere around 3,600 shekels (depending on the
specific model). One is probably instantly taken aback after hearing
this price, but consider 2 things: first, if you go for a cheaper
produce, you risk having to buy a new one a couple of years from now.
Second: this bike really pays itself, if used as an alternative to,
say, a second car. Another problem with this bike is that its current
dealer in Israel, "Ilan's bikes" (located in Tel-Aviv, Bugrashov 44)
is closing down, and although Ilan intends to have someone import
those bikes while he's gone, the future is not so clear with regards
to Brompton.

Thats about sums it up. If anyone has more information, please share
it with us. Now let's consider the option of bringing a bike from
abroad. If you travel frequently to the US or to Europe, you should
have little problem bringing a folder back to Israel. Another
possibility is to have someone who is going to visit Israel bring it
to you. Due to folder's miniature size, there won't be any problems
with checking it in. You will have to pack it well though (remove
everything that can be broken, deflate the tyres, wrap it in bubles
and so on). Maintenance is not a problem: there are enough shops that
will take care of it. Warrancy is a problem though: If the frame fails
or anything of this sort happens, you are left bikeless and you are
forced to ship it back to where you bought it - and then ship it back
here again. I wouldn't risk it (although chances of such a failure are
quite small).

That's it for now.

--
Vale,
Dmitry Rubinstien