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Re: no more train ..

Hi Dmitry and all

Well, haven't been here for a long time but I also have some stuff
to add on that

It was nice too to meet you too the other day on the way out of the
train (: After seeing you going out of the train with your
bikes "just like that" I really thought that everything is OK and
back to normal..
I wanted to make sure though, so on my way to the train I stopped at
the train manager and told him that I wasn't allowed in with folding
bikes few days before and wanted to know if its ok now .. (ovcourse
I didn't tell him that I've seen someone just going through...). For
my disappointment he repeated the same as I got last time - "folding
bikes are not allowed, even if they are inside a bag".. write a
letter to Nziv Pniyot Hazibur" he said ..

well, I did that.. I've sent a complaint about this stupid new
regulation to the email and fax of this yariv agmon .. it was sent
in the 10-th of January and except of automated reply I got NOTHING
yet..when I called his secretary few days ago to ask why I didn't
get any reply she could just tell me "send again". She claims that
she cant know the status of handling my complaint since the emails
and faxes go directly to yariv agmon.. Well what does she do there
all day I was asking myself..
I couldn't reach yariv agmon in the direct number which Shelly gave
but maybe I didn't try hard enough..

I also tried to send the story to the red email of Ynet but got
nothing..
I have few more ideas regarding sending this story to the media and
I also defiantly think we shouldn't give up here.

Last, during this period I tried my luck again.. I went into the
train in the tel aviv university station but from rokah' side
(usually I come from ramat aviv side). I closed my bag completely
and this time no one stopped me .. And in Haifa hof hakarmel station
(where I come back from work) - nobody seems to care..

So bottom line I think we should make some noise here and im willing
to take a part.. We are not such a big population (to say the least)
and we are not so miserable (I mean there are other sectors like
handicaps which are much more miserable in some cases) so, for my
opinion, the strongest argument we have here is simply the STUPIDITY
of this decision.. And nobody likes to look stupid ..

Below I attached the letter I sent by me to MR. yariv agmon and the
automated (and only) answer which I got till now

Tomorrow ill try my luck again with my bikes (what a thrill) - ill
update you..

10x

Ran

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--- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, Dmitry Rubinstein <dimrub@...>
wrote:
>
> So, folks, as of today - this is official. I was shown out of the
> station - and shown a directive, signed by Yossi Carmeli, "samankal
> nos'im", stating that folding bikes are off limits - even when
folded
> and inside a bag.
>
> But this is not over, by far. I will try to engage the media
people,
> and if need be - take "Rakevet Israel" to court - I don't think
they
> have the right to make such arbitrary decisions. I will keep you
> posted. Wish me luck!
>
> This comes at a worst of times - when I was actually almost ready
to
> announce, that Brompton service and import is about to resum.
> Obviously, this poor decision by Rakevet Israel puts a large
question
> mark about all this.
>
> On 1/8/06, Shelly <shel-b@...> wrote:
> > I was told the direct phone number for Yariv Agmon is 03-
6937955, and the
> > number of his secretary, Michal, is 03-6937901. (I didn't get
him when I
> > called so I sent an e-mail.)
> >
> > Shelly
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: israfold@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:israfold@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of ranlevko99
> > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:31 AM
> > To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [israfold] Re: no more train ..
> >
> > thanks (:
> >
> > Well the only one who might be responsive is
> > רכ`ת ישראל פניות "צי`ור
> > ת.". 18085 ת"א 61180
> > פקס: 6937443 - 03
> > טלפון: 6937409 - 03
> > (`ימים א'-"': 08:00-16:00)
> > "וא"ל : pniyot@...
> >
> > i called there but they didnt let me talk with him - only email
or
> > fax.. so ill try to do that and see how responsive the guy is..
(his
> > name is yariv agmon)
> >
> > except of that Im going to try n send this story to any portal
which
> > might advertise it..
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > ran
> >
> >
> > --- In israfold@yahoogroups.com, "Shelly" <shel-b@z...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When you're at a train station try to get contact details of
the
> > > person/people in management who made this decision so we can
> > contact them
> > > and get others to contact them.
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: ranlevko99
> > > Date: 01/05/06 01:48:25
> > > To: israfold@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [israfold] no more train ..
> > >
> > > Hi people
> > >
> > > Im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my
way
> > > From Tel Aviv to Haifa.
> > >
> > > This morning when I arrived to the train (Tel Aviv universita)
I
> > was
> > > Told that bikes, including folding biks, are not allowed any
more
> > to
> > > Get into the train / train station area.
> > > Tried to talk with the train manager he told me its the train
> > > Management decision.
> > >
> > > This really sux bad
> > >
> > > Did it happen to anyone of u as well ?
> > >
> > > I don't want to give up here - instead of doing a step towards
bike
> > > Riders they do a step back .. And they have no right not to
let me
> > > Inside with the bikes in a bag ..
> > >
> > > Will be happy to hear from u
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Ran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> --
> Vale,
> Dmitry Rubinstein
>







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Hi people im using a pair of folding giant for the last year to make my way from tel aviv to haifa. this morning when i arrived to the train (tel aviv...
ranlevko99
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Jan 4, 2006
11:48 pm

When you're at a train station try to get contact details of the person/people in management who made this decision so we can contact them and get others to...
Shelly
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Jan 5, 2006
5:04 am

thanks (: Well the only one who might be responsive is .. 18085 " 61180 : 6937443 - 03 :...
ranlevko99
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Jan 8, 2006
5:31 am

I was told the direct phone number for Yariv Agmon is 03-6937955, and the number of his secretary, Michal, is 03-6937901. (I didn't get him when I called so I...
Shelly
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Jan 8, 2006
7:44 am

Great, then, whoever will get to this person first, please let the rest of us know what came up in the conversation. ... -- Vale, Dmitry Rubinstein...
Dmitry Rubinstein
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Jan 8, 2006
9:10 am

So, folks, as of today - this is official. I was shown out of the station - and shown a directive, signed by Yossi Carmeli, "samankal nos'im", stating that...
Dmitry Rubinstein
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Feb 1, 2006
8:21 am

Hi Dmitry and all Well, haven't been here for a long time but I also have some stuff to add on that It was nice too to meet you too the other day on the way...
ranlevko99
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Feb 2, 2006
1:03 am

... My name is guy zilbershtein and I'm a new owner of a pair of dahon and a new member in this group. In the last two weeks I'm taking the train to work from...
guyzil
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Feb 2, 2006
9:57 am

Hello, guys! Actually, I already started to act. I wrote to a number of mass media people that I happen to know, to the TAB"A society (that work in order to...
Dmitry Rubinstein
dimrub
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Feb 2, 2006
10:23 am

Hello All, This piece of news is sad and shows real signs of ignorance and stupidity from the train people like someone wrote... I'm also willing to join a...
hanan_levy
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Feb 2, 2006
4:52 pm

This is really strange. That's the station where I get on the train (Tel-Aviv - Universita) - and the last time I did it was yesterday - noone gives me any...
Dmitry Rubinstein
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Jan 5, 2006
8:13 am

Hi Dmitry Indeed its stranger to me now.. I had a look in the brompton site - the bicycle look cool but they are not invisible for sure .. (: Till now I...
ranlevko99
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Jan 8, 2006
5:55 am

... I ALWAYS fold them before the ticket office. Hell, I used to ride all the way there (it's a long passage from the security to the tickets) - till they told...
Dmitry Rubinstein
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Jan 8, 2006
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