Myles,

You appeared to be referring specifically to the cause of the first try. Even
so, there's nothing wrong with running the ball from inside your own half,
especially when the alternative is to just give the other team possession.

There's a middle ground between Knox-rugby, which can defeat certain teams, and
the rugby Ireland played last year, which can defeat others, which needs to be
found because we'll never beat teams like New Zealand playing either of the
extremes.

I'm quite happy to see Trimble staying out on the wing these days, his
footballing skill has never caught up with his pace or power, unlike Bowe. If
we're comparing winning rugby, England won a World Cup with Mike Catt at inside
centre; I don't remember anyone saying they needed to stick Tindall in there to
truck it up the middle (though that appears to be Johnson's idea with the
centres he's picked for Saturday, but that's another story), so I think carrying
on with Wallace at 12 for now is definitely the way to get Ireland winning.

--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com, "Myles Byrne" <mbyrne@...> wrote:
>
>
> It would have taken a very sharp analysis of the game to notice in the
> 3rd minute that the Wallaby lineout wasn't going well.
>
> Well it would appear the scoreline is the only thing that is 20-20. Even
> in hindsight you miss the point :-) I was referring to the entire first
> half.
>
>
>
> I think it's to be encouraged that the team try to run the ball early
> and often and from everywhere, just that in future they execute it a
> little better.
>
>
>
> David Knox had a similar philosophy and left our shores a bitter and
> twisted little man. Leinster's success arrived after his departure, when
> a more pragmatic approach was adopted.
>
>
>
> And I think Paddy Wallace is the way forward for our backline; he's the
> form inside centre in Ireland at the moment, and he's the best passer
> available, and so key to getting the best out of our back 3 in attack.
> And while he may not tackle like Kevin Maggs, I think that could be
> offset if Sexton, the in-form man regardless of O'Gara's slight
> improvement on Sunday, is selected at outhalf against the Boks.
>
> If D'Arcy has a big game against Fiji he may well regain the 12 shirt,
> regardless of who plays 10. Two years ago I would have put money on
> Trimble owning the 12 shirt by now, it's a shame that he hasn't come to
> fruition in that position. As stated before I would like to see Sexton
> get a run, it may well happen yet against the Boks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

hi michael,



i know its not a recent book but trevor brennans (auto)biography is a nice
little read.its nothing too strenuous on the brain and he comes across as a
pretty genial sort of fellow.also he doesnt drone on about 'me me me' and doesnt
show any sign of bitterness either towards past wrong doers.all in all a nice
way to pass a few hours

> To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
> From: michael.halpenny@...
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:44:23 +0000
> Subject: [irishrugby] Rugby Books
>
> It's coming close to that time of year when we may be considering what rugby
> books to buy/ask for and I was thinking that the combined wisdom of this
> group should be able to put together a fairly good guide so if you've read
> any rugby books recently perhaps you could tell us what you thought. If
> there are enough reviews/comments posted then I'll put them all on the web
> somewhere so that they can be accessed in one place.
>
> In BOD we Trust - Absolutely woeful
>
> One of the worst rugby books I have ever read. I found three errors in the
> first dozen or so pages including one which stated that Mike Ruddock coached
> the Irish U-19 team that won the FIRA world cup. It's a craven homily to
> BOD that I imagine he wished was never published. Absolute total and utter
> rubbish.
>
> Eddie's (ghosted) autobiography - Alright
>
> By contrast this at least makes an attempt at even handedness and it seems
> that his personality does come through in the book. It's not a particularly
> insightful read - you get to learn a bit about his background but in writing
> the book he has maintained his privacy. The structure is a little
> disjointed like it was written chronologically and then a couple of chapters
> were switched around but is written in quite a fluid style. Despite
> protestations to the contrary I'm not left with the impression that he is a
> great communicator at least on an emotional level. Perhaps he deliberately
> kept this out of the book or perhaps that was his downfall as a coach. On
> the whole the book is very readable and it gives a nice summary of his years
> in charge. If I were buying it for people in the group I'd probably buy
> Donal a copy but Richard might have to do without :-)
>
> Michael
>
>
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It's coming close to that time of year when we may be considering what rugby
books to buy/ask for and I was thinking that the combined wisdom of this
group should be able to put together a fairly good guide so if you've read
any rugby books recently perhaps you could tell us what you thought.  If
there are enough reviews/comments posted then I'll put them all on the web
somewhere so that they can be accessed in one place.

In BOD we Trust - Absolutely woeful

One of the worst rugby books I have ever read.  I found three errors in the
first dozen or so pages including one which stated that Mike Ruddock coached
the Irish U-19 team that won the FIRA world cup.  It's a craven homily to
BOD that I imagine he wished was never published.  Absolute total and utter
rubbish.

Eddie's (ghosted) autobiography - Alright

By contrast this at least makes an attempt at even handedness and it seems
that his personality does come through in the book.  It's not a particularly
insightful read - you get to learn a bit about his background but in writing
the book he has maintained his privacy.  The structure is a little
disjointed like it was written chronologically and then a couple of chapters
were switched around but is written in quite a fluid style.  Despite
protestations to the contrary I'm not left with the impression that he is a
great communicator at least on an emotional level.  Perhaps he deliberately
kept this out of the book or perhaps that was his downfall as a coach.  On
the whole the book is very readable and it gives a nice summary of his years
in charge.  If I were buying it for people in the group I'd probably buy
Donal a copy but Richard might have to do without :-)

Michael

Munster under Kidney used to try to play an expansive game every autumn, only
for them to tighten it up when it came to the business end of the season. I
suspect these Autumn internationals will see plenty of open rugby, but far less
in the Six Nations, when wins are necessary.

To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
From: mbyrne@...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:05:08 -0700
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Re: Ireland 20 Australia 20






























It would have taken a very sharp analysis of the game to notice in the

3rd minute that the Wallaby lineout wasn't going well.



Well it would appear the scoreline is the only thing that is 20-20. Even

in hindsight you miss the point :-) I was referring to the entire first

half.



I think it's to be encouraged that the team try to run the ball early

and often and from everywhere, just that in future they execute it a

little better.



David Knox had a similar philosophy and left our shores a bitter and

twisted little man. Leinster's success arrived after his departure, when

a more pragmatic approach was adopted.



And I think Paddy Wallace is the way forward for our backline; he's the

form inside centre in Ireland at the moment, and he's the best passer

available, and so key to getting the best out of our back 3 in attack.

And while he may not tackle like Kevin Maggs, I think that could be

offset if Sexton, the in-form man regardless of O'Gara's slight

improvement on Sunday, is selected at outhalf against the Boks.



If D'Arcy has a big game against Fiji he may well regain the 12 shirt,

regardless of who plays 10. Two years ago I would have put money on

Trimble owning the 12 shirt by now, it's a shame that he hasn't come to

fruition in that position. As stated before I would like to see Sexton

get a run, it may well happen yet against the Boks.



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re the centres, i go along with the argument that Paddy Wallace is the man
in form at the minute and should keep the shirt against the Boks... but i do
think that it will take a little while for the team to adjust to the
slightly different style of play (than for example having DÁrcy and BOD in
the centre).

2009/11/18 Donal <obriaind@...>

>
>
> Myles,
>
> It would have taken a very sharp analysis of the game to notice in the 3rd
> minute that the Wallaby lineout wasn't going well. I think it's to be
> encouraged that the team try to run the ball early and often and from
> everywhere, just that in future they execute it a little better.
>
> And I think Paddy Wallace is the way forward for our backline; he's the
> form inside centre in Ireland at the moment, and he's the best passer
> available, and so key to getting the best out of our back 3 in attack. And
> while he may not tackle like Kevin Maggs, I think that could be offset if
> Sexton, the in-form man regardless of O'Gara's slight improvement on Sunday,
> is selected at outhalf against the Boks.
>
>
> --- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>, "Myles
> Byrne" <mbyrne@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was surprised in the first half that we seemed to want to run
> > everything at the Wallabies. Very often we were starting these runs from
> > inside our own 22, we were also using a very flat alignment which was
> > high risk. Mitchell's try was a direct result of this ploy. With the
> > Wallaby lineout struggling at that time it would have made sense to use
> > Kearney and ROG to kick to touch and play a territorial game. The amount
> > of passes that were made and the amount of running that was done versus
> > the net yardage gained must make for interesting statistics. Overall we
> > lacked intensity and pace for the first 65 minutes. It was very
> > encouraging that we finished strongly and this must in some way support
> > the theory that we did indeed suffer from rustiness.
> >
> >
> >
> > In some ways I can buy into the theory that we could have been
> > overwhelmed, yet at the same time Australia only created one clear
> > chance, when Elsom scored. We on the other hand created four good
> > chances, two ended with tries the others Bowe crossed the line but was
> > deemed not to have grounded the ball and when he marginally missed
> > catching the ball from ROG's cross kick.
> >
> >
> >
> > It's my belief that the intensity issue can and will be rectified, the
> > scrummaging issue will be more difficult but I would expect a major
> > improvement in that department too. I believe that Hayes needs to play
> > at least a half against Fiji, just to get him match sharp again. I also
> > believe that when the Boks come to town that we will seriously need to
> > examine the 12/13 combination, it's not a slight on Wallace at all, he's
> > really punching above his weight at the moment but I believe we need
> > some more ballast at 12.
> >
> >
> >
> > Myles
>
>
>


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Richard,



It's not Donal..........................It's Eddie



From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Powell
Sent: November-17-09 8:48 PM
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Re: Ireland 20 Australia 20





Never mind - Donal has taken over your computer and sent out the message
under your name!
----- Original Message -----
From: Myles Byrne
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Re: Ireland 20 Australia 20

It would have taken a very sharp analysis of the game to notice in the
3rd minute that the Wallaby lineout wasn't going well.

Well it would appear the scoreline is the only thing that is 20-20. Even
in hindsight you miss the point :-) I was referring to the entire first
half.

I think it's to be encouraged that the team try to run the ball early
and often and from everywhere, just that in future they execute it a
little better.

David Knox had a similar philosophy and left our shores a bitter and
twisted little man. Leinster's success arrived after his departure, when
a more pragmatic approach was adopted.

And I think Paddy Wallace is the way forward for our backline; he's the
form inside centre in Ireland at the moment, and he's the best passer
available, and so key to getting the best out of our back 3 in attack.
And while he may not tackle like Kevin Maggs, I think that could be
offset if Sexton, the in-form man regardless of O'Gara's slight
improvement on Sunday, is selected at outhalf against the Boks.

If D'Arcy has a big game against Fiji he may well regain the 12 shirt,
regardless of who plays 10. Two years ago I would have put money on
Trimble owning the 12 shirt by now, it's a shame that he hasn't come to
fruition in that position. As stated before I would like to see Sexton
get a run, it may well happen yet against the Boks.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Never mind - Donal has taken over your computer and sent out the message under
your name!
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Myles Byrne
   To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:05 PM
   Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Re: Ireland 20 Australia 20




   It would have taken a very sharp analysis of the game to notice in the
   3rd minute that the Wallaby lineout wasn't going well.

   Well it would appear the scoreline is the only thing that is 20-20. Even
   in hindsight you miss the point :-) I was referring to the entire first
   half.

   I think it's to be encouraged that the team try to run the ball early
   and often and from everywhere, just that in future they execute it a
   little better.

   David Knox had a similar philosophy and left our shores a bitter and
   twisted little man. Leinster's success arrived after his departure, when
   a more pragmatic approach was adopted.

   And I think Paddy Wallace is the way forward for our backline; he's the
   form inside centre in Ireland at the moment, and he's the best passer
   available, and so key to getting the best out of our back 3 in attack.
   And while he may not tackle like Kevin Maggs, I think that could be
   offset if Sexton, the in-form man regardless of O'Gara's slight
   improvement on Sunday, is selected at outhalf against the Boks.

   If D'Arcy has a big game against Fiji he may well regain the 12 shirt,
   regardless of who plays 10. Two years ago I would have put money on
   Trimble owning the 12 shirt by now, it's a shame that he hasn't come to
   fruition in that position. As stated before I would like to see Sexton
   get a run, it may well happen yet against the Boks.

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Myles, is that you? Or did aliens come down and take you away?
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Myles Byrne
   To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:05 PM
   Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Re: Ireland 20 Australia 20




   It would have taken a very sharp analysis of the game to notice in the
   3rd minute that the Wallaby lineout wasn't going well.

   Well it would appear the scoreline is the only thing that is 20-20. Even
   in hindsight you miss the point :-) I was referring to the entire first
   half.

   I think it's to be encouraged that the team try to run the ball early
   and often and from everywhere, just that in future they execute it a
   little better.

   David Knox had a similar philosophy and left our shores a bitter and
   twisted little man. Leinster's success arrived after his departure, when
   a more pragmatic approach was adopted.

   And I think Paddy Wallace is the way forward for our backline; he's the
   form inside centre in Ireland at the moment, and he's the best passer
   available, and so key to getting the best out of our back 3 in attack.
   And while he may not tackle like Kevin Maggs, I think that could be
   offset if Sexton, the in-form man regardless of O'Gara's slight
   improvement on Sunday, is selected at outhalf against the Boks.

   If D'Arcy has a big game against Fiji he may well regain the 12 shirt,
   regardless of who plays 10. Two years ago I would have put money on
   Trimble owning the 12 shirt by now, it's a shame that he hasn't come to
   fruition in that position. As stated before I would like to see Sexton
   get a run, it may well happen yet against the Boks.

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It would have taken a very sharp analysis of the game to notice in the
3rd minute that the Wallaby lineout wasn't going well.

Well it would appear the scoreline is the only thing that is 20-20. Even
in hindsight you miss the point :-) I was referring to the entire first
half.



I think it's to be encouraged that the team try to run the ball early
and often and from everywhere, just that in future they execute it a
little better.



David Knox had a similar philosophy and left our shores a bitter and
twisted little man. Leinster's success arrived after his departure, when
a more pragmatic approach was adopted.



And I think Paddy Wallace is the way forward for our backline; he's the
form inside centre in Ireland at the moment, and he's the best passer
available, and so key to getting the best out of our back 3 in attack.
And while he may not tackle like Kevin Maggs, I think that could be
offset if Sexton, the in-form man regardless of O'Gara's slight
improvement on Sunday, is selected at outhalf against the Boks.

If D'Arcy has a big game against Fiji he may well regain the 12 shirt,
regardless of who plays 10. Two years ago I would have put money on
Trimble owning the 12 shirt by now, it's a shame that he hasn't come to
fruition in that position. As stated before I would like to see Sexton
get a run, it may well happen yet against the Boks.








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Myles,

It would have taken a very sharp analysis of the game to notice in the 3rd
minute that the Wallaby lineout wasn't going well. I think it's to be encouraged
that the team try to run the ball early and often and from everywhere, just that
in future they execute it a little better.

And I think Paddy Wallace is the way forward for our backline; he's the form
inside centre in Ireland at the moment, and he's the best passer available, and
so key to getting the best out of our back 3 in attack. And while he may not
tackle like Kevin Maggs, I think that could be offset if Sexton, the in-form man
regardless of O'Gara's slight improvement on Sunday, is selected at outhalf
against the Boks.



--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com, "Myles Byrne" <mbyrne@...> wrote:
>
> I was surprised in the first half that we seemed to want to run
> everything at the Wallabies. Very often we were starting these runs from
> inside our own 22, we were also using a very flat alignment which was
> high risk. Mitchell's try was a direct result of this ploy. With the
> Wallaby lineout struggling at that time it would have made sense to use
> Kearney and ROG to kick to touch and play a territorial game. The amount
> of passes that were made and the amount of running that was done versus
> the net yardage gained must make for interesting statistics. Overall we
> lacked intensity and pace for the first 65 minutes. It was very
> encouraging that we finished strongly and this must in some way support
> the theory that we did indeed suffer from rustiness.
>
>
>
> In some ways I can buy into the theory that we could have been
> overwhelmed, yet at the same time Australia only created one clear
> chance, when Elsom scored. We on the other hand created four good
> chances, two ended with tries the others Bowe crossed the line but was
> deemed not to have grounded the ball and when he marginally missed
> catching the ball from ROG's cross kick.
>
>
>
> It's my belief that the intensity issue can and will be rectified, the
> scrummaging issue will be more difficult but I would expect a major
> improvement in that department too. I believe that Hayes needs to play
> at least a half against Fiji, just to get him match sharp again. I also
> believe that when the Boks come to town that we will seriously need to
> examine the 12/13 combination, it's not a slight on Wallace at all, he's
> really punching above his weight at the moment but I believe we need
> some more ballast at 12.
>
>
>
> Myles

I thought that this was a particularly impressive achievement.  The Croke
park team run a very, very tight ship.


From the The Irish Times


ALL-NIGHT CLEAN UP AT CROKE PARK: Gavin Cummiskey sees sunrise on the Cusack
as GAA headquarters show Trap the door and quickly doll up for Drico

AT THE end of the day it gets . . . bright. The floodlights allow this
unique process to continue until dawn. Thankfully, for the busy, ant-like
workers in Croke Park on this cold November Saturday night, it stays
relatively dry.

The apocalyptic storm of the previous day has passed, allowing operations
manager Alan Gallagher and his staff to breathe a collective sigh of relief.

It’s always a good sign when the boss, stadium director Peter McKenna,
departs before midnight. No crisis to report then. Just a curious night of
endeavour.

The sports editor, in his esteemed wisdom, believed I would benefit
spiritually from observing such dutiful and disciplined commitment
first-hand so I was dispatched to spend Saturday night at GAA headquarters.

“Wonderful,” was my initial reaction (rule number one of sports reporting:
never let the sports editor know what you are really thinking. Rule number
two: take perceived punishment with a smile. Rule number three: I don’t have
one yet as rule number one and two don’t really work. I’m beginning to
freeze up typing this. The laptop clock reads 00.40 and I’m still on the top
deck of the Hogan stand. Thankfully, a colleague left some gloves behind).

The most revealing part was the forensic preparation that goes into running
back-to-back international sports events. It all began once Ireland drew
France in the World Cup play-off.

McKenna granted The Irish Times access to pre-event meetings with the FAI
and IRFU, amongst others, in the lead up to a unique weekend.

Liaison meeting, Croke Park, Tuesday, November 10th : The IRFU, represented
primarily by operations chief Declan O’Brien and Kevin Potts, and the FAI,
by Declan Conroy and Joe McGlue, are present as details for the weekend are
finalised. The FAI and IRFU hold separate meetings with Gallagher and his
staff.

No major concerns are raised.

Pre-Event meeting, Croke Park, Ard Chomhairle, Thursday, November 12th :
Every angle and potential scenario, within reason, are raised with all the
relevant bodies involved in co-coordinating the two events. McKenna welcomes
the large gathering before event controller Séamus Ó Mídheach chairs the
meeting.

The IRFU, FAI, Gardaí, Dublin Fire Brigade, HSE, three security firms and
Jury’s Croke Park are all present. It runs smoothly with, notably, no
intelligence of problematic or ticketless French supporters travelling to
Dublin.

Security predicts no problems.

Unless something remarkable occurs in Paris on Wednesday it seems soccer’s
relationship with Croke Park is over. In the case of that eventuality,
McKenna thanks the FAI for their co-operation over the past two and half
years.

Back to the night vigil.

There are plenty of characters roaming the underbelly of the stadium, such
as Phil Kerrigan; the Mayo man is part of the furniture in Croke Park at
this stage, and is responsible for the massive cleaning operation. By early
morning he seems content.

The stadium is painstakingly cleansed; Hill 16 is quickly blitzed as the
barrier separating the French supporters is removed. Inch by inch, every
corporate box and all 76,000 seats are checked.

The soccer posts are quickly dismantled and pitch markings wiped clean by
Magi-paint. The phone company’s advertising hoardings make way for the stout
merchants.

The rugby posts are both up by 11.15pm, a gentle wind barely hindering their
stance, unlike the previous evening when it howled for hours.

Alan Gallagher, my guide in Croke Park this week and into the wee hours of
Sunday morning, answers his mobile at about 11pm. There he is below on the
pitch overseeing matters alongside head groundsman Robert Ellis while I take
the opportunity to type out my actual sports report.

The corporate visitors are gone by midnight as are much of the on-site staff
after the disappointing defeat to France.

Some 150 general and ground staff, keep the collective head down and plough
away in the cold.

Make that 151.

It’s actually quite peaceful when the cavernous amphitheatre empties. Only
the occasional echo from the team of divot-men down below breaks the
silence.

There is calm, especially considering the decibels of the 74,103 crazed
football supporters just two hours earlier.

An ideal time for reflection.

Saturday’s visit of Thierry Henry’s French side – certainly not Domenech’s,
we are informed – gave McKenna’s team a mere 14 hours to transform the
massive crater off the Jones’ Road into a presentable international rugby
arena for Brian O’Driscoll’s Grand Slammers to make their first home
appearance since that historic achievement in Cardiff last March, against
Australia.

McKenna is an unashamed perfectionist. Turns out he has surrounded himself
with like-minded people. Nothing was left to chance because the sporting
world was watching.

“I have worked in stadiums all over the world and you can’t get people to
work together like they do here,” said Hayden. “That’s why this is
  possible.”

Hayden has just returned from an advisory capacity in South Africa as they
brace themselves for next summer’s World Cup. He was also in the Ukraine
recently ahead of the 2012 European championships and is a regular visitor
to Wembley.

This achievement will become the standard for any stadium seeking a quick
turnaround between major field games.

“I give a lot of presentations to other stadiums and they always ask about
Croke Park,” Hayden continues, “They find it amazing that 90 matches a year
are played on one pitch. When I was in the Ukraine and South Africa I spoke
about the work being done in Croke Park.”

1am meeting : The rain arrives, but the Met Éireann satellite images show it
will soon move on. It is a clear, crisp night and everything is on schedule.
Gallagher has persuaded French television to remove their trucks before
morning, making room for the BBC, while a slight hiccup with FAI debris is
addressed and removed. The mood is focused.

A former captain in the Defence Forces, Gallagher was recruited by McKenna
in 2006 when the need to expand ahead of the inevitable arrival of
international events saw him head up what has become a compact yet efficient
operations wing.

It’s always darkest before the dawn. Not to mention coldest. But the sight
of the sun breaking through gaps in the Cusack Stand, on what has now become
a normal rugby international morning, makes the experience worthwhile.

Kearney, Horgan, BOD, D'Arcy, Earls, Sexton, Reddan,

Court, Flannery, Hayes, Cullen, POC, Ferris, Leamy, Heaslip
Subs:
Cronin, Buckley, DOC, SOB, TOL, Wallace, Trimble

Healy is injured apparently.


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Best of luck in his recovery, tough injury for the fella.
Hopefully people like Tomas O'Leary and Alan Quinlan can offer some
advice to him.

-----Original Message-----
From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Colin Burkley
Sent: 16 November 2009 23:22
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Fitzgerald ruled out of Six Nations

No point in rushing him back either.
It's a big blow to our chances for next year but it gives Earls a
chance to show what he can do (and play in one position for two games
in a row).

On 16 Nov 2009, at 20:56, Myles Byrne wrote:

> Bad news indeed Peadar. Luke was one of the stars of the GS team.
> Hopefully he'll recover sooner than the 6 month prediction.
>
> Myles
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Peadar Kelly
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:47 PM
> To: Irishrugby
> Subject: [irishrugby] Fitzgerald ruled out of Six Nations
>
> terrible news
>
> http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2009/1116/fitzgeraldl.html
> <http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2009/1116/fitzgeraldl.html>
>
> Luke Fitzgerald has been ruled out of Ireland's remaining autumn
> fixtures
> and their RBS 6 Nations Grand Slam defence after sustaining a serious
> knee
> injury.
>
> The Leinster winger will undergo surgery on Tuesday after incurring
> ligament
> damage to his left knee during the second half of Sunday's 20-20 draw
> with
> Australia at Croke Park.
>
> Sidelined for between four to six months, he will play no part in
> Ireland's
> remaining November internationals against Fiji and South Africa or the
> Six
> Nations.
>
> An Irish Rugby Football Union statement read: 'Luke suffered a
> significant
> injury in an awkward collision and was replaced against Australia.
>
> 'Following medical review and scans of his left knee, it has been
> confirmed
> that Fitzgerald sustained a ruptured lateral collateral ligament that
> will
> require surgical repair and intensive post-operative rehabilitation.
>
> 'He is scheduled for surgery at the Sports Surgery Clinic on tomorrow,
> with
> a projected recovery period of 4-6 months.'
>
> The news is a crushing blow for Fitzgerald, who enjoyed his
> breakthrough
> season last term in making the number 11 jersey his own.
>
> The 22-year-old's form during Ireland's march to the Grand Slam was
> sufficient to secure a place on the Lions tour to South Africa where
> he
> made
> one Test appearance.
>
> Munster's Keith Earls, another Lions tourist last summer, is his
> likely
> replacement against South Africa a week on Saturday, though whether he
> will
> figure against Fiji remains to be see.
>
> Head coach Declan Kidney names his side to face the Fijians at
> lunchtime
> tomorrow and must strike a balance between squad development and
> generating
> momentum for the Springboks.
>
> While one Irish prospect has lost his immediate future to the
> treatment
> room, a second saw his Test career burst into life against the
> Wallabies.
>
> Jerry Flannery believes Cian Healy's impressive debut has offered a
> vital
> option at prop as Ireland continue their search for precious front row
> resources.
>
> The lack of depth in the position was exposed at Croke Park yesterday
> when
> John Hayes was forced to play the entire match despite having just
> served a
> five-week suspension.
>
> How much longer Hayes, 36 earlier this month and on course to become
> the
> first player to accumulate 100 Ireland caps, can go on remains to be
> seen.
>
> But given the lack of alternatives at tighthead with Tony Buckley
> injured,
> the dutiful Munster forward must continue strapping on the armour
> until
> the
> 2011 World Cup.
>
> At least loosehead offers a more encouraging outlook with Healy taking
> advantage of an injury to Marcus Horan to announce his arrival as a
> genuine
> Test prospect.
>
> One barnstorming run initiated the move that led to Ireland's first
> try
> against the Wallabies, leaving front row colleague Flannery to
> predict a
> bright future for the 22-year-old.
>
> 'Cian did pretty well. He made a great run, was very powerful and
> showed
> a
> great attitude. He's great to play with,' said the Munster hooker.
>
> 'I thought about not having Marcus alongside me during the national
> anthem.
> But Marcus and John have been playing so long, there needs to be more
> depth.
>
> 'Cian is young and he's come through quickly when it's fair to say
> there
> aren't a load of props coming through. He got stuck in.
>
> 'He's not a shy fellow - he didn't seem to be fazed. He was sitting
> beside
> me in the dressing-room with his music on, bouncing around.
>
> 'It's good to see that - there is no fear in him.'
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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No point in rushing him back either.
It's a big blow to our chances for next year but it gives Earls a
chance to show what he can do (and play in one position for two games
in a row).

On 16 Nov 2009, at 20:56, Myles Byrne wrote:

> Bad news indeed Peadar. Luke was one of the stars of the GS team.
> Hopefully he'll recover sooner than the 6 month prediction.
>
> Myles
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Peadar Kelly
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:47 PM
> To: Irishrugby
> Subject: [irishrugby] Fitzgerald ruled out of Six Nations
>
> terrible news
>
> http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2009/1116/fitzgeraldl.html
> <http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2009/1116/fitzgeraldl.html>
>
> Luke Fitzgerald has been ruled out of Ireland's remaining autumn
> fixtures
> and their RBS 6 Nations Grand Slam defence after sustaining a serious
> knee
> injury.
>
> The Leinster winger will undergo surgery on Tuesday after incurring
> ligament
> damage to his left knee during the second half of Sunday's 20-20 draw
> with
> Australia at Croke Park.
>
> Sidelined for between four to six months, he will play no part in
> Ireland's
> remaining November internationals against Fiji and South Africa or the
> Six
> Nations.
>
> An Irish Rugby Football Union statement read: 'Luke suffered a
> significant
> injury in an awkward collision and was replaced against Australia.
>
> 'Following medical review and scans of his left knee, it has been
> confirmed
> that Fitzgerald sustained a ruptured lateral collateral ligament that
> will
> require surgical repair and intensive post-operative rehabilitation.
>
> 'He is scheduled for surgery at the Sports Surgery Clinic on tomorrow,
> with
> a projected recovery period of 4-6 months.'
>
> The news is a crushing blow for Fitzgerald, who enjoyed his
> breakthrough
> season last term in making the number 11 jersey his own.
>
> The 22-year-old's form during Ireland's march to the Grand Slam was
> sufficient to secure a place on the Lions tour to South Africa where
> he
> made
> one Test appearance.
>
> Munster's Keith Earls, another Lions tourist last summer, is his
> likely
> replacement against South Africa a week on Saturday, though whether he
> will
> figure against Fiji remains to be see.
>
> Head coach Declan Kidney names his side to face the Fijians at
> lunchtime
> tomorrow and must strike a balance between squad development and
> generating
> momentum for the Springboks.
>
> While one Irish prospect has lost his immediate future to the
> treatment
> room, a second saw his Test career burst into life against the
> Wallabies.
>
> Jerry Flannery believes Cian Healy's impressive debut has offered a
> vital
> option at prop as Ireland continue their search for precious front row
> resources.
>
> The lack of depth in the position was exposed at Croke Park yesterday
> when
> John Hayes was forced to play the entire match despite having just
> served a
> five-week suspension.
>
> How much longer Hayes, 36 earlier this month and on course to become
> the
> first player to accumulate 100 Ireland caps, can go on remains to be
> seen.
>
> But given the lack of alternatives at tighthead with Tony Buckley
> injured,
> the dutiful Munster forward must continue strapping on the armour
> until
> the
> 2011 World Cup.
>
> At least loosehead offers a more encouraging outlook with Healy taking
> advantage of an injury to Marcus Horan to announce his arrival as a
> genuine
> Test prospect.
>
> One barnstorming run initiated the move that led to Ireland's first
> try
> against the Wallabies, leaving front row colleague Flannery to
> predict a
> bright future for the 22-year-old.
>
> 'Cian did pretty well. He made a great run, was very powerful and
> showed
> a
> great attitude. He's great to play with,' said the Munster hooker.
>
> 'I thought about not having Marcus alongside me during the national
> anthem.
> But Marcus and John have been playing so long, there needs to be more
> depth.
>
> 'Cian is young and he's come through quickly when it's fair to say
> there
> aren't a load of props coming through. He got stuck in.
>
> 'He's not a shy fellow - he didn't seem to be fazed. He was sitting
> beside
> me in the dressing-room with his music on, bouncing around.
>
> 'It's good to see that - there is no fear in him.'
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Bad news indeed Peadar. Luke was one of the stars of the GS team.
Hopefully he'll recover sooner than the 6 month prediction.



Myles

________________________________

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Peadar Kelly
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Irishrugby
Subject: [irishrugby] Fitzgerald ruled out of Six Nations





terrible news

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2009/1116/fitzgeraldl.html
<http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2009/1116/fitzgeraldl.html>

Luke Fitzgerald has been ruled out of Ireland's remaining autumn
fixtures
and their RBS 6 Nations Grand Slam defence after sustaining a serious
knee
injury.

The Leinster winger will undergo surgery on Tuesday after incurring
ligament
damage to his left knee during the second half of Sunday's 20-20 draw
with
Australia at Croke Park.

Sidelined for between four to six months, he will play no part in
Ireland's
remaining November internationals against Fiji and South Africa or the
Six
Nations.

An Irish Rugby Football Union statement read: 'Luke suffered a
significant
injury in an awkward collision and was replaced against Australia.

'Following medical review and scans of his left knee, it has been
confirmed
that Fitzgerald sustained a ruptured lateral collateral ligament that
will
require surgical repair and intensive post-operative rehabilitation.

'He is scheduled for surgery at the Sports Surgery Clinic on tomorrow,
with
a projected recovery period of 4-6 months.'

The news is a crushing blow for Fitzgerald, who enjoyed his breakthrough
season last term in making the number 11 jersey his own.

The 22-year-old's form during Ireland's march to the Grand Slam was
sufficient to secure a place on the Lions tour to South Africa where he
made
one Test appearance.

Munster's Keith Earls, another Lions tourist last summer, is his likely
replacement against South Africa a week on Saturday, though whether he
will
figure against Fiji remains to be see.

Head coach Declan Kidney names his side to face the Fijians at lunchtime
tomorrow and must strike a balance between squad development and
generating
momentum for the Springboks.

While one Irish prospect has lost his immediate future to the treatment
room, a second saw his Test career burst into life against the
Wallabies.

Jerry Flannery believes Cian Healy's impressive debut has offered a
vital
option at prop as Ireland continue their search for precious front row
resources.

The lack of depth in the position was exposed at Croke Park yesterday
when
John Hayes was forced to play the entire match despite having just
served a
five-week suspension.

How much longer Hayes, 36 earlier this month and on course to become the
first player to accumulate 100 Ireland caps, can go on remains to be
seen.

But given the lack of alternatives at tighthead with Tony Buckley
injured,
the dutiful Munster forward must continue strapping on the armour until
the
2011 World Cup.

At least loosehead offers a more encouraging outlook with Healy taking
advantage of an injury to Marcus Horan to announce his arrival as a
genuine
Test prospect.

One barnstorming run initiated the move that led to Ireland's first try
against the Wallabies, leaving front row colleague Flannery to predict a
bright future for the 22-year-old.

'Cian did pretty well. He made a great run, was very powerful and showed
a
great attitude. He's great to play with,' said the Munster hooker.

'I thought about not having Marcus alongside me during the national
anthem.
But Marcus and John have been playing so long, there needs to be more
depth.

'Cian is young and he's come through quickly when it's fair to say there
aren't a load of props coming through. He got stuck in.

'He's not a shy fellow - he didn't seem to be fazed. He was sitting
beside
me in the dressing-room with his music on, bouncing around.

'It's good to see that - there is no fear in him.'

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terrible news


http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2009/1116/fitzgeraldl.html

Luke Fitzgerald has been ruled out of Ireland's remaining autumn fixtures
and their RBS 6 Nations Grand Slam defence after sustaining a serious knee
injury.

The Leinster winger will undergo surgery on Tuesday after incurring ligament
damage to his left knee during the second half of Sunday's 20-20 draw with
Australia at Croke Park.

Sidelined for between four to six months, he will play no part in Ireland's
remaining November internationals against Fiji and South Africa or the Six
Nations.

An Irish Rugby Football Union statement read: 'Luke suffered a significant
injury in an awkward collision and was replaced against Australia.

'Following medical review and scans of his left knee, it has been confirmed
that Fitzgerald sustained a ruptured lateral collateral ligament that will
require surgical repair and intensive post-operative rehabilitation.

'He is scheduled for surgery at the Sports Surgery Clinic on tomorrow, with
a projected recovery period of 4-6 months.'

The news is a crushing blow for Fitzgerald, who enjoyed his breakthrough
season last term in making the number 11 jersey his own.

The 22-year-old's form during Ireland's march to the Grand Slam was
sufficient to secure a place on the Lions tour to South Africa where he made
one Test appearance.

Munster's Keith Earls, another Lions tourist last summer, is his likely
replacement against South Africa a week on Saturday, though whether he will
figure against Fiji remains to be see.

Head coach Declan Kidney names his side to face the Fijians at lunchtime
tomorrow and must strike a balance between squad development and generating
momentum for the Springboks.

While one Irish prospect has lost his immediate future to the treatment
room, a second saw his Test career burst into life against the Wallabies.

Jerry Flannery believes Cian Healy's impressive debut has offered a vital
option at prop as Ireland continue their search for precious front row
resources.

The lack of depth in the position was exposed at Croke Park yesterday when
John Hayes was forced to play the entire match despite having just served a
five-week suspension.

How much longer Hayes, 36 earlier this month and on course to become the
first player to accumulate 100 Ireland caps, can go on remains to be seen.

But given the lack of alternatives at tighthead with Tony Buckley injured,
the dutiful Munster forward must continue strapping on the armour until the
2011 World Cup.

At least loosehead offers a more encouraging outlook with Healy taking
advantage of an injury to Marcus Horan to announce his arrival as a genuine
Test prospect.

One barnstorming run initiated the move that led to Ireland's first try
against the Wallabies, leaving front row colleague Flannery to predict a
bright future for the 22-year-old.

'Cian did pretty well. He made a great run, was very powerful and showed a
great attitude. He's great to play with,' said the Munster hooker.

'I thought about not having Marcus alongside me during the national anthem.
But Marcus and John have been playing so long, there needs to be more depth.

'Cian is young and he's come through quickly when it's fair to say there
aren't a load of props coming through. He got stuck in.

'He's not a shy fellow - he didn't seem to be fazed. He was sitting beside
me in the dressing-room with his music on, bouncing around.

'It's good to see that - there is no fear in him.'


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I was surprised in the first half that we seemed to want to run
everything at the Wallabies. Very often we were starting these runs from
inside our own 22, we were also using a very flat alignment which was
high risk. Mitchell's try was a direct result of this ploy. With the
Wallaby lineout struggling at that time it would have made sense to use
Kearney and ROG to kick to touch and play a territorial game. The amount
of passes that were made and the amount of running that was done versus
the net yardage gained must make for interesting statistics. Overall we
lacked intensity and pace for the first 65 minutes. It was very
encouraging that we finished strongly and this must in some way support
the theory that we did indeed suffer from rustiness.



In some ways I can buy into the theory that we could have been
overwhelmed, yet at the same time Australia only created one clear
chance, when Elsom scored. We on the other hand created four good
chances, two ended with tries the others Bowe crossed the line but was
deemed not to have grounded the ball and when he marginally missed
catching the ball from ROG's cross kick.



It's my belief that the intensity issue can and will be rectified, the
scrummaging issue will be more difficult but I would expect a major
improvement in that department too. I believe that Hayes needs to play
at least a half against Fiji, just to get him match sharp again. I also
believe that when the Boks come to town that we will seriously need to
examine the 12/13 combination, it's not a slight on Wallace at all, he's
really punching above his weight at the moment but I believe we need
some more ballast at 12.



Myles

________________________________

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Halpenny
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:58 AM
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20





I'm not sure about Paddy Wallace. He certainly added quick hands but he
didn't offer much of a running threat until late in the game and his
decision making at the breakdown was poor. He was looking for offloads
when
they were never on and not hitting rucks like they needed to be hit. At
international level you need to do everything well not just some of the
things. I'm not suggesting he gets dropped just that he has a lot to
work
on and not an awful lot of time to do it. I wouldn't be terribly
surprised
to see him playing against Fiji as he can obviously also offer an
alternative first receiver if Sexton is selected. We're really short on
options at 12 as Cave, Earls, Fitzgerald, McFadden and Trimble are all
better at 13 than 12 no matter whether you look for a creative 2nd five
eighth type or a Henderson/Maggs/Roberts bruiser

Palu's getting sinbinned for no arms was just plain wrong. However it
was a
dangerous tackle and he actually hit Kearney on the chin with his
shoulder
so I feel that justice was done albeit for the wrong reasons.

We should have won the game. I was baffled by the decision making that
lead
us to turn down the penalty opportunities. For me it betrayed a real
lack
of confidence that we could get back down the position and score again.
Although the team finished on a high in securing the draw I think that
it
should be seen as a victory lost rather than a draw won.

Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
]On
Behalf Of Peter Crowley
Sent: 16 November 2009 16:31
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

Rocky, using George Hook to back up your points is the last refuge of
the
scoundrel !!! Paddy Wallace did play well though. Must be hard for the
backs
to do much considering the tardiness of the ball getting to them. Hard
to be
overcritical after the first international of the season, plenty to work
on
with the likes of Gert Smal.

> To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: therockes@... <mailto:therockes%40o2.co.uk>
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:54:11 +0000
> Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20
>
> I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be
moved in. I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so
too.
If someone can teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll be
fantastic. Mind you, I thought Hayes was under more pressure than Healy.
O'Leary was infuriating - some awful, some excellent things and ROG was
pretty good. I did think Palu put the shoulder into Kearney but it was a
difficult call. Overall, we looked like a side playing the first match
in 6
months but our fitness held up really well. Pity we spurned 6 certain
points
from the boot in the first half. It will be very interesting to see the
squad for Fiji.
> Cheers,
>
> Rocky.
>

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I'm not sure about Paddy Wallace.  He certainly added quick hands but he
didn't offer much of a running threat until late in the game and his
decision making at the breakdown was poor.  He was looking for offloads when
they were never on and not hitting rucks like they needed to be hit.  At
international level you need to do everything well not just some of the
things.  I'm not suggesting he gets dropped just that he has a lot to work
on and not an awful lot of time to do it.  I wouldn't be terribly surprised
to see him playing against Fiji as he can obviously also offer an
alternative first receiver if Sexton is selected.  We're really short on
options at 12 as Cave, Earls, Fitzgerald, McFadden and Trimble are all
better at 13 than 12 no matter whether you look for a creative 2nd five
eighth type or a Henderson/Maggs/Roberts bruiser

Palu's getting sinbinned for no arms was just plain wrong.  However it was a
dangerous tackle and he actually hit Kearney on the chin with his shoulder
so I feel that justice was done albeit for the wrong reasons.

We should have won the game.  I was baffled by the decision making that lead
us to turn down the penalty opportunities.  For me it betrayed a real lack
of confidence that we could get back down the position and score again.
Although the team finished on a high in securing the draw I think that it
should be seen as a victory lost rather than a draw won.

Michael
   -----Original Message-----
   From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Peter Crowley
   Sent: 16 November 2009 16:31
   To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20




   Rocky, using George Hook to back up your points is the last refuge of the
scoundrel !!! Paddy Wallace did play well though. Must be hard for the backs
to do much considering the tardiness of the ball getting to them. Hard to be
overcritical after the first international of the season, plenty to work on
with the likes of Gert Smal.

   > To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
   > From: therockes@...
   > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:54:11 +0000
   > Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20
   >
   > I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be
moved in. I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so too.
If someone can teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll be
fantastic. Mind you, I thought Hayes was under more pressure than Healy.
O'Leary was infuriating - some awful, some excellent things and ROG was
pretty good. I did think Palu put the shoulder into Kearney but it was a
difficult call. Overall, we looked like a side playing the first match in 6
months but our fitness held up really well. Pity we spurned 6 certain points
from the boot in the first half. It will be very interesting to see the
squad for Fiji.
   > Cheers,
   >
   > Rocky.
   >





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Rocky, using George Hook to back up your points is the last refuge of the
scoundrel !!! Paddy Wallace did play well though. Must be hard for the backs to
do much considering the tardiness of the ball getting to them. Hard to be
overcritical after the first international of the season, plenty to work on with
the likes of Gert Smal.


> To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
> From: therockes@...
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:54:11 +0000
> Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20
>
> I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be moved
in. I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so too. If someone
can teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll be fantastic. Mind you,
I thought Hayes was under more pressure than Healy. O'Leary was infuriating -
some awful, some excellent things and ROG was pretty good. I did think Palu put
the shoulder into Kearney but it was a difficult call. Overall, we looked like a
side playing the first match in 6 months but our fitness held up really well.
Pity we spurned 6 certain points from the boot in the first half. It will be
very interesting to see the squad for Fiji.
> Cheers,
>
> Rocky.
>


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Am i the only one who thinks Ireland should have well and truly been stuffed
yesterday? Our scrum for the most part was appalling, we were counter rucked far
too easily, giteau forgot his kicking boots and for the sake of a finger tip
here and there we could have been behind by far more than the one try.Infact
idgo as far to say,had our defensive lineout play not been so outstnding that
game would have been over before 60 mins were up.There was some nice bits of
play particularly paddy wallaces quick hands but on the whole we rarely caused
them much panic where there quite a few squeaky bum moments for us.Now I
appreciate it was the first outing together for a while but at the same time the
backline wasnt too faroff the lions starting backline so i would have expected a
bit more spark but this could be a result of excrutiatingly slow ball coming out
of the rucks, the aussies looked to work in pairs with one tackling and one get
the hands in there whereas we just seem to be happy with a pillar system where
we employ a 'i have my avenue blocked off so ive done my job' system, while this
does work it doesnt allow for much in the way of turnover ball or stallimg of
opposition momentum.To cut a long story short (too late i hear ye say) I do
worry that we will be found out against 'die bokke' cos i dont think we have the
physicality of the french to nullify the boks forward strenght or only hope
being hook is right about the bok backline,but as he is nearly always wrong.....



fiachra


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Frank
Being in that corner, I had a perfect view of the kick and it was 90%
guaranteed to be a try if Bowe had caught it but with two defenders, he
hadn't a hope of catching it really.
Colin
2009/11/16 Frank Long <longfrank@...>

>
> I think some of the decision making was very questionable yesterday,
> especially at penalty time.
>
>
>
> That crossfield kick was silly. I'm all for ambitious play, but the fact
> that Bowe was anywhere near getting that ball was a minor miracle in and of
> itself. If you're going to throw away a certain 3 points, you had better
> have weighed up your options well. The wing and full back were in position
> and had bowe caught the ball, its likely he'd have been caught, isolated and
> stripped of the ball. I reckon it was a 1-10 chance of getting a try,
> whereas ROG would have potted the penalty blindfolded.
>
> They did the same later on, not opting for the points with 10 minutes to go
> (if I recal correctly) meant they needed two scores to win.
>
> The Aussies consistently beat Ireland to the breakdown, speeding up their
> ball and slowing down ours. I'm of the opinion that, in that situation, the
> problem generally doesn't lie with the lack of speed of the backrow, more in
> the positional awareness.
>
>
>
> All in all, a bit of a frustrating match and a decent result. I didn't
> celebrate much as I think Ireland had the talent out wide to beat this
> Australian team, but at least something was gained from it. Cian Healy looks
> like Horan MKII, which isn't all bad, our lineout is looking well and
> Kearney is in fine fettle, with some excellent kicking at times. Would have
> liked to see him run a bit more, but when you can easily make 50 yards with
> the boot, I suppose it's probably the better option
>
>
>
>
>
> To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
> From: peadar.kelly@...
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:15:41 +0000
>  Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20
>
>
>
>
>
> Erm...you'll find it's now known as an Apatosaurus! :)
>
> Thought Ireland were guilty of trying too hard in the first half and not
> doing the basics right. Rog should never have been passing that flat
> with the Australians in the back lines face on our own 22. Not sure who
> made the call on that tactic (management or on the field) but it seemed
> a bit risky. Other than that I thought he had a good game (excellent
> relative to some of his play this season). Delighted his kicking was
> good. Still a wasted opportunity to get sexton some game time against a
> serious team.
>
> I'll have to look at the match again with regards the scrummaging but
> while Healy was never on top and sometimes his body positioning and back
> were poor it was Hayes who was getting absolutely murdered and was at
> fault for the two worst scrums in the second half when we were driven
> off the ball on our own feed. Hardly surprising since he hadn't played
> for a month. Flannery showed good his lineout throwing is (bar the one
> howler) he was awesome.
>
> O'Leary seemed to ship a knock quite early on but was a good auxiliary
> flanker. Our back row was poor on the ground. Decent athletes but not a
> proper scrounger amongst them. Pocock was superb but perhaps had an
> easier ride than having played mccaw and brusseou all season long.
> Thought Wallace was great with ball in hand.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Brand John
> Sent: 16 November 2009 13:47
> To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20
>
> Yes, that's what I get for doing three things at once! Now where's that
> Brontosaurus?
>
> From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
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> >
> [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
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> ] On Behalf Of Richard Powell
> Sent: Montag, 16. November 2009 14:39
> To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20
>
> I take it you meant France v S.A. John?
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>
> I too thought ROG answered his critics(of which he has quite a few in
> the North!) and played his best game in a wee while. The only person I
> heard detract from Paddy Wallace's excellent game was that fella who
> commentates on the BBC and criticises everything that doesn't come outta
> Leinster. Thought Healy did brilliantly and it looked like the problems
> were on the Bull's side. Hopefully just rustiness(and let's face it a
> very good and improving Aussie pack). Best game of the weekend although
> I did enjoy France V All Blacks as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20
>
> I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be
> moved in. I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so
> too. If someone can teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll
> be fantastic. Mind you, I thought Hayes was under more pressure than
> Healy. O'Leary was infuriating - some awful, some excellent things and
> ROG was pretty good. I did think Palu put the shoulder into Kearney but
> it was a difficult call. Overall, we looked like a side playing the
> first match in 6 months but our fitness held up really well. Pity we
> spurned 6 certain points from the boot in the first half. It will be
> very interesting to see the squad for Fiji.
> Cheers,
>
> Rocky.
>
> On 16 Nov 2009, at 10:31, <patrick.mccutcheon@...
> <mailto:patrick.mccutcheon%40ec.europa.eu<patrick.mccutcheon%2540ec.europa.eu>
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>
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> wrote:
>
> > I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see...
> we did well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
> > With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession
> in their 22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and
> exposed the Aussie midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When
> we did open up it was not very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more
> often.
> > Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what
> I saw, ROG looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for
> both Aussie tries, Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction
> in the last 20 minutes though I understand they struggled early on.
> > So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG
> and bring Earls into the centre alongside BOD?
> >
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I think some of the decision making was very questionable yesterday, especially
at penalty time.



That crossfield kick was silly. I'm all for ambitious play, but the fact that
Bowe was anywhere near getting that ball was a minor miracle in and of itself.
If you're going to throw away a certain 3 points, you had better have weighed up
your options well. The wing and full back were in position and had bowe caught
the ball, its likely he'd have been caught, isolated and stripped of the ball. I
reckon it was a 1-10 chance of getting a try, whereas ROG would have potted the
penalty blindfolded.

They did the same later on, not opting for the points with 10 minutes to go (if
I recal correctly) meant they needed two scores to win.

The Aussies consistently beat Ireland to the breakdown, speeding up their ball
and slowing down ours. I'm of the opinion that, in that situation, the problem
generally doesn't lie with the lack of speed of the backrow, more in the
positional awareness.



All in all, a bit of a frustrating match and a decent result. I didn't celebrate
much as I think Ireland had the talent out wide to beat this Australian team,
but at least something was gained from it. Cian Healy looks like Horan MKII,
which isn't all bad, our lineout is looking well and Kearney is in fine fettle,
with some excellent kicking at times. Would have liked to see him run a bit
more, but when you can easily make 50 yards with the boot, I suppose it's
probably the better option





To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
From: peadar.kelly@...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:15:41 +0000
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20





Erm...you'll find it's now known as an Apatosaurus! :)

Thought Ireland were guilty of trying too hard in the first half and not
doing the basics right. Rog should never have been passing that flat
with the Australians in the back lines face on our own 22. Not sure who
made the call on that tactic (management or on the field) but it seemed
a bit risky. Other than that I thought he had a good game (excellent
relative to some of his play this season). Delighted his kicking was
good. Still a wasted opportunity to get sexton some game time against a
serious team.

I'll have to look at the match again with regards the scrummaging but
while Healy was never on top and sometimes his body positioning and back
were poor it was Hayes who was getting absolutely murdered and was at
fault for the two worst scrums in the second half when we were driven
off the ball on our own feed. Hardly surprising since he hadn't played
for a month. Flannery showed good his lineout throwing is (bar the one
howler) he was awesome.

O'Leary seemed to ship a knock quite early on but was a good auxiliary
flanker. Our back row was poor on the ground. Decent athletes but not a
proper scrounger amongst them. Pocock was superb but perhaps had an
easier ride than having played mccaw and brusseou all season long.
Thought Wallace was great with ball in hand.

________________________________

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Brand John
Sent: 16 November 2009 13:47
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

Yes, that's what I get for doing three things at once! Now where's that
Brontosaurus?

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I take it you meant France v S.A. John?
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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I too thought ROG answered his critics(of which he has quite a few in
the North!) and played his best game in a wee while. The only person I
heard detract from Paddy Wallace's excellent game was that fella who
commentates on the BBC and criticises everything that doesn't come outta
Leinster. Thought Healy did brilliantly and it looked like the problems
were on the Bull's side. Hopefully just rustiness(and let's face it a
very good and improving Aussie pack). Best game of the weekend although
I did enjoy France V All Blacks as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be
moved in. I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so
too. If someone can teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll
be fantastic. Mind you, I thought Hayes was under more pressure than
Healy. O'Leary was infuriating - some awful, some excellent things and
ROG was pretty good. I did think Palu put the shoulder into Kearney but
it was a difficult call. Overall, we looked like a side playing the
first match in 6 months but our fitness held up really well. Pity we
spurned 6 certain points from the boot in the first half. It will be
very interesting to see the squad for Fiji.
Cheers,

Rocky.

On 16 Nov 2009, at 10:31, <patrick.mccutcheon@...
<mailto:patrick.mccutcheon%40ec.europa.eu>
<mailto:patrick.mccutcheon%40ec.europa.eu>> wrote:

> I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see...
we did well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
> With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession
in their 22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and
exposed the Aussie midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When
we did open up it was not very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more
often.
> Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what
I saw, ROG looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for
both Aussie tries, Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction
in the last 20 minutes though I understand they struggled early on.
> So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG
and bring Earls into the centre alongside BOD?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Erm...you'll find it's now known as an Apatosaurus! :)

Thought Ireland were guilty of trying too hard in the first half and not
doing the basics right. Rog should never have been passing that flat
with the Australians in the back lines face on our own 22. Not sure who
made the call on that tactic (management or on the field) but it seemed
a bit risky. Other than that I thought he had a good game (excellent
relative to some of his play this season). Delighted his kicking was
good. Still a wasted opportunity to get sexton some game time against a
serious team.

I'll have to look at the match again with regards the scrummaging but
while Healy was never on top and sometimes his body positioning and back
were poor it was Hayes who was getting absolutely murdered and was at
fault for the two worst scrums in the second half when we were driven
off the ball on our own feed. Hardly surprising since he hadn't played
for a month. Flannery showed good his lineout throwing is (bar the one
howler) he was awesome.

O'Leary seemed to ship a knock quite early on but was a good auxiliary
flanker. Our back row was poor on the ground. Decent athletes but not a
proper scrounger amongst them. Pocock was superb but perhaps had an
easier ride than having played mccaw and brusseou all season long.
Thought Wallace was great with ball in hand.

________________________________

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Brand John
Sent: 16 November 2009 13:47
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20




Yes, that's what I get for doing three things at once! Now where's that
Brontosaurus?

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I take it you meant France v S.A. John?
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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I too thought ROG answered his critics(of which he has quite a few in
the North!) and played his best game in a wee while. The only person I
heard detract from Paddy Wallace's excellent game was that fella who
commentates on the BBC and criticises everything that doesn't come outta
Leinster. Thought Healy did brilliantly and it looked like the problems
were on the Bull's side. Hopefully just rustiness(and let's face it a
very good and improving Aussie pack). Best game of the weekend although
I did enjoy France V All Blacks as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be
moved in. I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so
too. If someone can teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll
be fantastic. Mind you, I thought Hayes was under more pressure than
Healy. O'Leary was infuriating - some awful, some excellent things and
ROG was pretty good. I did think Palu put the shoulder into Kearney but
it was a difficult call. Overall, we looked like a side playing the
first match in 6 months but our fitness held up really well. Pity we
spurned 6 certain points from the boot in the first half. It will be
very interesting to see the squad for Fiji.
Cheers,

Rocky.

On 16 Nov 2009, at 10:31, <patrick.mccutcheon@...
<mailto:patrick.mccutcheon%40ec.europa.eu>
<mailto:patrick.mccutcheon%40ec.europa.eu>> wrote:

> I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see...
we did well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
> With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession
in their 22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and
exposed the Aussie midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When
we did open up it was not very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more
often.
> Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what
I saw, ROG looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for
both Aussie tries, Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction
in the last 20 minutes though I understand they struggled early on.
> So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG
and bring Earls into the centre alongside BOD?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Yes, that's what I get for doing three things at once! Now where's that
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Of Richard Powell
Sent: Montag, 16. November 2009 14:39
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I take it you meant France v S.A. John?
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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I too thought ROG answered his critics(of which he has quite a few in the
North!) and played his best game in a wee while. The only person I heard detract
from Paddy Wallace's excellent game was that fella who commentates on the BBC
and criticises everything that doesn't come outta Leinster. Thought Healy did
brilliantly and it looked like the problems were on the Bull's side. Hopefully
just rustiness(and let's face it a very good and improving Aussie pack). Best
game of the weekend although I did enjoy France V All Blacks as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com<mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Montag, 16. November 2009 12:54
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com<mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be moved in.
I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so too. If someone can
teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll be fantastic. Mind you, I
thought Hayes was under more pressure than Healy. O'Leary was infuriating - some
awful, some excellent things and ROG was pretty good. I did think Palu put the
shoulder into Kearney but it was a difficult call. Overall, we looked like a
side playing the first match in 6 months but our fitness held up really well.
Pity we spurned 6 certain points from the boot in the first half. It will be
very interesting to see the squad for Fiji.
Cheers,

Rocky.

On 16 Nov 2009, at 10:31,
<patrick.mccutcheon@...<mailto:patrick.mccutcheon%40ec.europa.eu>>
wrote:

> I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see... we did
well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
> With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession in
their 22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and exposed the
Aussie midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When we did open up it
was not very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more often.
> Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what I saw,
ROG looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for both Aussie
tries, Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction in the last 20
minutes though I understand they struggled early on.
> So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG and bring
Earls into the centre alongside BOD?
>
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I take it you meant France v S.A. John?
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   From: Brand John
   To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:56 AM
   Subject: RE: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20



   I too thought ROG answered his critics(of which he has quite a few in the
North!) and played his best game in a wee while. The only person I heard detract
from Paddy Wallace's excellent game was that fella who commentates on the BBC
and criticises everything that doesn't come outta Leinster. Thought Healy did
brilliantly and it looked like the problems were on the Bull's side. Hopefully
just rustiness(and let's face it a very good and improving Aussie pack). Best
game of the weekend although I did enjoy France V All Blacks as well.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Laurence Rocke
   Sent: Montag, 16. November 2009 12:54
   To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

   I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be moved
in. I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so too. If someone
can teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll be fantastic. Mind you,
I thought Hayes was under more pressure than Healy. O'Leary was infuriating -
some awful, some excellent things and ROG was pretty good. I did think Palu put
the shoulder into Kearney but it was a difficult call. Overall, we looked like a
side playing the first match in 6 months but our fitness held up really well.
Pity we spurned 6 certain points from the boot in the first half. It will be
very interesting to see the squad for Fiji.
   Cheers,

   Rocky.

   On 16 Nov 2009, at 10:31, <patrick.mccutcheon@...> wrote:

   > I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see... we
did well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
   > With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession in
their 22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and exposed the
Aussie midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When we did open up it
was not very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more often.
   > Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what I saw,
ROG looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for both Aussie
tries, Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction in the last 20
minutes though I understand they struggled early on.
   > So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG and
bring Earls into the centre alongside BOD?
   >
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I too thought ROG answered his critics(of which he has quite a few in the
North!) and played his best game in a wee while. The only person I heard detract
from Paddy Wallace's excellent game was that fella who commentates on the BBC
and criticises everything that doesn't come outta Leinster. Thought Healy did
brilliantly and it looked like the problems were on the Bull's side. Hopefully
just rustiness(and let's face it a very good and improving Aussie pack). Best
game of the weekend although I did enjoy France V All Blacks as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Laurence Rocke
Sent: Montag, 16. November 2009 12:54
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [irishrugby] Ireland 20 Australia 20

I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be moved in.
I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so too.  If someone can
teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll be fantastic.  Mind you, I
thought Hayes was under more pressure than Healy.  O'Leary was infuriating -
some awful, some excellent things and ROG was pretty good.  I did think Palu put
the shoulder into Kearney but it was a difficult call.  Overall, we looked like
a side playing the first match in 6 months but our fitness held up really well. 
Pity we spurned 6 certain points from the boot in the first half.  It will be
very interesting to see the squad for Fiji.
Cheers,

Rocky.

On 16 Nov 2009, at 10:31, <patrick.mccutcheon@...> wrote:

> I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see... we did
well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
> With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession in
their 22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and exposed the
Aussie midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When we did open up it
was not very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more often.
> Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what I saw,
ROG looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for both Aussie
tries, Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction in the last 20
minutes though I understand they struggled early on.
> So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG and bring
Earls into the centre alongside BOD?
>
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We had the better of the first half but the Aussies played very well for
much of the second half. Our backrow got eaten alive at the breakdown. A
very good Aussie front row also put manners on ours but it will be good
experience for Healy and the other two were short match practice.

The first try was just "one of those things". BOD adjusted his run because
Palu had a good defensive line and Paddy blocked ROG's view so the pass went
astray.

I thought the two wingers were excellent and Earls did well enough when he
came on even though he did over-run a few passes.

Anybody go to the A game on Friday? Bit of an Ulster + guests show from what
I heard. :)

2009/11/16 Laurence Rocke <therockes@...>

> I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be
> moved in.  I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so too.
>  If someone can teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll be
> fantastic.  Mind you, I thought Hayes was under more pressure than Healy.
>  O'Leary was infuriating - some awful, some excellent things and ROG was
> pretty good.  I did think Palu put the shoulder into Kearney but it was a
> difficult call.  Overall, we looked like a side playing the first match in 6
> months but our fitness held up really well.  Pity we spurned 6 certain
> points from the boot in the first half.  It will be very interesting to see
> the squad for Fiji.
> Cheers,
>
> Rocky.
>
> On 16 Nov 2009, at 10:31, <patrick.mccutcheon@...> wrote:
>
> > I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see… we
> did well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
> > With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession in
> their 22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and exposed the
> Aussie midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When we did open up
> it was not very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more often.
> > Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what I
> saw, ROG looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for both
> Aussie tries, Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction in the
> last 20 minutes though I understand they struggled early on.
> > So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG and
> bring Earls into the centre alongside BOD?
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
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I'm not convinced that Earls is an inside centre and BOD should not be moved in.
I thought Paddy W had a good game and even Hooky thought so too.  If someone can
teach Healy to scrummage with a straight back, he'll be fantastic.  Mind you, I
thought Hayes was under more pressure than Healy.  O'Leary was infuriating -
some awful, some excellent things and ROG was pretty good.  I did think Palu put
the shoulder into Kearney but it was a difficult call.  Overall, we looked like
a side playing the first match in 6 months but our fitness held up really well. 
Pity we spurned 6 certain points from the boot in the first half.  It will be
very interesting to see the squad for Fiji.
Cheers,

Rocky.

On 16 Nov 2009, at 10:31, <patrick.mccutcheon@...> wrote:

> I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see… we did
well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
> With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession in
their 22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and exposed the
Aussie midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When we did open up it
was not very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more often.
> Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what I saw,
ROG looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for both Aussie
tries, Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction in the last 20
minutes though I understand they struggled early on.
> So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG and bring
Earls into the centre alongside BOD?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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I only saw the second half - herewith my thoughts on what I did see… we did
well to come back twice from 7 down and a draw was a fair result.
With our pack struggling to cross the gain line when we had possession in their
22, I thought we could have moved the ball wide more and exposed the Aussie
midfield defence as BOD did in the last minute. When we did open up it was not
very fluid, suggesting we need to do it more often.
Healy and Bowe impressed as did Flannery and David Wallace. From what I saw, ROG
looked rather composed although I think he was at fault for both Aussie tries,
Rob K and TOL solid. The pack seemed to gain traction in the last 20 minutes
though I understand they struggled early on.
So to Fiji - is it not time to give Sexton a chance in place of ROG and bring
Earls into the centre alongside BOD?


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So predictions?
I'm a little worried that many people seem to be dismissing the Aussies.
Their pack is solid and they have a good scrum for the first time in years.
With Flannery doubtful, we could have two first caps in the front row and
while our back row is good, the Aussie one is also very good.
Think it'll be a tight one that could go either way.

2009/11/12 Donal <obriaind@...>

>
>
> For all that, he's still borrowing Leinster's backline coach on a part time
> basis, though, Myles.
>
> And Steve, nobody would blame Kidney if Sexton were to start against Oz and
> play badly. The reason behind his selection would at least be
> understandable. If, however, ROG goes out and plays like he did against
> England or Italy last season, or against Leinster or Northampton this
> season...
>
>
> --- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>, "Myles
> Byrne" <byrnemp@...> wrote:
> >
> > Be much harder making a case for staying home during the Summer of 2008
> and
> > spending the time putting a management team in place. Somehow Kidney made
> > that one too.
> >
>
>
>


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