Bit harsh on Bob Casey that he's not gotten a place in the squad but Donnacha
Ryan has.

No connacht players now on the squad. That's a pity.

To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
From: Michael_Halpenny@...
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:02:30 +0000
Subject: [irishrugby] Irish squad announced




















             There are also some links to articles in the Irish times at the
bottom

of this post.  I omitted to include them this morning.



Down to 34 - he's not rushing into any tough decisions!  Anyone care to

hazard a guess at who will play against Canada?  He seems to be saying

that he'll be putting out a pretty strong team for this game.



7 players are left out of the original 41 man squad.  They are:



Gavin Duffy



Barry Murphy



Bob Casey



Tom Court



Mike Ross



Roger Wilson



Malcolm O'Kelly



Surprised to see Leamy still in there considering that I don't think

that he has played any rugby yet this season.



http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2008/1031/ireland1.html



Ireland Coach Declan Kidney has announced a 34 man squad to reassemble

for training in Dublin next week ahead of the opening game of the

Guinness Series 2008 against Canada.



There are six uncapped players included in the squad. Jonathan Sexton,

Keith Earls and Ian Dowling are named in the backs while Ryan Caldwell,

Cian Healy and Donnacha Ryan are included in the forwards.



The squad will train in Dublin on Monday and Tuesday next week and the

match day 22 for the game against Canada will be announced on Tuesday.



Ireland training Squad ahead of the Guinness Series 2008 game against

Canada in Thomond Park on Saturday 8 November:



Backs: Tommy Bowe, Ian Dowling, Girvan Dempsey, Keith Earls,

Luke Fitzgerald, Shane Horgan, Robert Kearney, Geordan Murphy,

Brian O'Driscoll, Ronan O'Gara, Tomas O'Leary, Eoin Reddan,

Jonathan Sexton, Peter Stringer, Andrew Trimble, Paddy Wallace



Forwards: Rory Best , Tony Buckley, Ryan Caldwell, Stephen Ferris, Jerry

Flannery, John Hayes, Cian Healy, Jamie Heaslip,

Marcus Horan, Bernard Jackman, Shane Jennings, Denis Leamy,

Donncha O'Callaghan, Paul O'Connell, Mick O'Driscoll, Alan Quinlan,

Donnacha Ryan, David Wallace



Somehow I missed out on the Irish Times articles this morning



This is about Kidney, the team, the PRL and a number of other things.

It confirms that O'Driscoll has only been appointed as captain for the

autumn series.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1031/1225321588767.html



Liam Toland on a myriad of subjects - as usual it's worth a read



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1031/1225321589282.html



An interview with Gert Smal



http://www.irishrugby.ie/283_13898.php?PHPSESSID=74fe115fcab7f8858dd35d9

04f4d1f19



From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Michael_Halpenny@...

Sent: 31 October 2008 10:31

To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [irishrugby] What it says in the papers



On the PRL (seem to be trying to assert their importance by saying one

thing and doing another) and Irish players

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q

qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76212-qqqx=1.asp

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/mcnaughton-no-future-problems-for-

player-releases-1514691.html



Preview of the final Bledisloe cup game (taking place in Hong Kong)

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q

qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76213-qqqx=1.asp



Wales fail to shoot themselves in the foot - don't worry there'll be

another chance soon I'm sure

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q

qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76214-qqqx=1.asp



England says RWC can't be profitable so long as the IRB maintain their

ludicrous requirement of a guaranteed profit. It may only be a position

for posturing but the principle is valid. The RWC and the IRB should be

about promoting the game. Nobody wants a poorly run tournament that

loses money but requiring that the tournament turns a specified profit

doesn't enable the promotion of the game. The RFU are correct on this

point and the IRB should rethink their decision.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/english-world-cup--bid-in-doubt-as

-sums-dont-add-up-1514692.html



Happy squad - O'Driscoll on course to be available for all autumn

internationals

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/irish-squad-appears-to-be-dancing-

to-orsquodriscollrsquos-upbeat-tune-1514763.html



Reduced Irish squad of 30 to be announced today - Wallace an option at

12?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/kidney-selection-eagerly-a

waited-14023540.html

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/sport/rugby/competition-

fierce-for-places-in-irish-squad-14023831.html



Ulster on the up again

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/mattrsquos-revolution-now-

taking-shape-14023536.html



Preview of some of the AIL games this weekend - Andy Ward still going

strong

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/ward-driving-force-for-hin

ch-hopes-14023541.html



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There are also some links to articles in the Irish times at the bottom
of this post.  I omitted to include them this morning.



Down to 34 - he's not rushing into any tough decisions!  Anyone care to
hazard a guess at who will play against Canada?  He seems to be saying
that he'll be putting out a pretty strong team for this game.



7 players are left out of the original 41 man squad.  They are:



Gavin Duffy

Barry Murphy

Bob Casey

Tom Court

Mike Ross

Roger Wilson

Malcolm O'Kelly



Surprised to see Leamy still in there considering that I don't think
that he has played any rugby yet this season.



http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2008/1031/ireland1.html



Ireland Coach Declan Kidney has announced a 34 man squad to reassemble
for training in Dublin next week ahead of the opening game of the
Guinness Series 2008 against Canada.

There are six uncapped players included in the squad. Jonathan Sexton,
Keith Earls and Ian Dowling are named in the backs while Ryan Caldwell,
Cian Healy and Donnacha Ryan are included in the forwards.

The squad will train in Dublin on Monday and Tuesday next week and the
match day 22 for the game against Canada will be announced on Tuesday.

Ireland training Squad ahead of the Guinness Series 2008 game against
Canada in Thomond Park on Saturday 8 November:

Backs: Tommy Bowe, Ian Dowling, Girvan Dempsey, Keith Earls,
Luke Fitzgerald, Shane Horgan, Robert Kearney, Geordan Murphy,
Brian O'Driscoll, Ronan O'Gara, Tomas O'Leary, Eoin Reddan,
Jonathan Sexton, Peter Stringer, Andrew Trimble, Paddy Wallace

Forwards: Rory Best , Tony Buckley, Ryan Caldwell, Stephen Ferris, Jerry
Flannery, John Hayes, Cian Healy, Jamie Heaslip,
Marcus Horan, Bernard Jackman, Shane Jennings, Denis Leamy,
Donncha O'Callaghan, Paul O'Connell, Mick O'Driscoll, Alan Quinlan,
Donnacha Ryan, David Wallace





Somehow I missed out on the Irish Times articles this morning



This is about Kidney, the team, the PRL and a number of other things.
It confirms that O'Driscoll has only been appointed as captain for the
autumn series.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1031/1225321588767.html



Liam Toland on a myriad of subjects - as usual it's worth a read

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1031/1225321589282.html



An interview with Gert Smal

http://www.irishrugby.ie/283_13898.php?PHPSESSID=74fe115fcab7f8858dd35d9
04f4d1f19





From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael_Halpenny@...
Sent: 31 October 2008 10:31
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [irishrugby] What it says in the papers



On the PRL (seem to be trying to assert their importance by saying one
thing and doing another) and Irish players
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76212-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/mcnaughton-no-future-problems-for-
player-releases-1514691.html

Preview of the final Bledisloe cup game (taking place in Hong Kong)
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76213-qqqx=1.asp

Wales fail to shoot themselves in the foot - don't worry there'll be
another chance soon I'm sure
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76214-qqqx=1.asp

England says RWC can't be profitable so long as the IRB maintain their
ludicrous requirement of a guaranteed profit. It may only be a position
for posturing but the principle is valid. The RWC and the IRB should be
about promoting the game. Nobody wants a poorly run tournament that
loses money but requiring that the tournament turns a specified profit
doesn't enable the promotion of the game. The RFU are correct on this
point and the IRB should rethink their decision.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/english-world-cup--bid-in-doubt-as
-sums-dont-add-up-1514692.html

Happy squad - O'Driscoll on course to be available for all autumn
internationals
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/irish-squad-appears-to-be-dancing-
to-orsquodriscollrsquos-upbeat-tune-1514763.html

Reduced Irish squad of 30 to be announced today - Wallace an option at
12?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/kidney-selection-eagerly-a
waited-14023540.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/sport/rugby/competition-
fierce-for-places-in-irish-squad-14023831.html

Ulster on the up again
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/mattrsquos-revolution-now-
taking-shape-14023536.html

Preview of some of the AIL games this weekend - Andy Ward still going
strong
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/ward-driving-force-for-hin
ch-hopes-14023541.html

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On the PRL (seem to be trying to assert their importance by saying one
thing and doing another) and Irish players
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76212-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/mcnaughton-no-future-problems-for-
player-releases-1514691.html

Preview of the final Bledisloe cup game (taking place in Hong Kong)
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76213-qqqx=1.asp

Wales fail to shoot themselves in the foot - don't worry there'll be
another chance soon I'm sure
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=76214-qqqx=1.asp

England says RWC can't be profitable so long as the IRB maintain their
ludicrous requirement of a guaranteed profit.  It may only be a position
for posturing but the principle is valid.  The RWC and the IRB should be
about promoting the game.  Nobody wants a poorly run tournament that
loses money but requiring that the tournament turns a specified profit
doesn't enable the promotion of the game.  The RFU are correct on this
point and the IRB should rethink their decision.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/english-world-cup--bid-in-doubt-as
-sums-dont-add-up-1514692.html

Happy squad - O'Driscoll on course to be available for all autumn
internationals
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/irish-squad-appears-to-be-dancing-
to-orsquodriscollrsquos-upbeat-tune-1514763.html

Reduced Irish squad of 30 to be announced today - Wallace an option at
12?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/kidney-selection-eagerly-a
waited-14023540.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/sport/rugby/competition-
fierce-for-places-in-irish-squad-14023831.html

Ulster on the up again
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/mattrsquos-revolution-now-
taking-shape-14023536.html

Preview of some of the AIL games this weekend - Andy Ward still going
strong
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/ward-driving-force-for-hin
ch-hopes-14023541.html




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Well of the Leinster graduates, only 2 (McCarron, who decided last
season to take time off from rugby, and D'Arcy) haven't started a
match for one of the provinces this season (mostly with Leinster, but
obviously Carr with Connacht and Willis with Ulster). Any vocational
university course would be pleased with that percentage of graduates
staying in the same business.

Whether the course makes the difference to them getting to the level
they have achieved or not, is a different question altogether. I'm
sure the knowledge gained from the course can be useful in other areas
though, and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw one or two of these lads
coaching to a high level in the future.


--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com, <Michael_Halpenny@...> wrote:
>
> My error, the article did in fact mention that they were the first
> Leinster academy graduates.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know anything about this course?  Is it a worthwhile
> exercise or just something to have the kids do while they're
developing
> their rugby skills?  Would they be better off studying something
else or
> will this aid them to develop their rugby careers?
>

My error, the article did in fact mention that they were the first
Leinster academy graduates.



Does anyone know anything about this course?  Is it a worthwhile
exercise or just something to have the kids do while they're developing
their rugby skills?  Would they be better off studying something else or
will this aid them to develop their rugby careers?



From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of glenn_flanagan@...
Sent: 30 October 2008 10:38
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] What it says in the papers



The first diploma's were handed out by Hetac to the Munster Rugby
Academy last Feb.

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
] On
Behalf Of Michael_Halpenny@... <mailto:Michael_Halpenny%40Dell.com>

Sent: 30 October 2008 10:35
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [irishrugby] What it says in the papers

There's very little in the papers today about rugby but what's there is
worth reading.

Canada call a retiree into their squad, O'Driscoll takes a full part in
training, the first diplomas in professional rugby have been awarded and
attempts by South Africa to have one of the ELV's rescinded have been
thwarted by NZ and Aus
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1030/1225303612103.html

Interview with Ian Keatley - an excellent example of how Connacht is
useful to the Irish game
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1030/1225303612070.html






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The first diploma's were handed out by Hetac to the Munster Rugby
Academy last Feb.





From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael_Halpenny@...
Sent: 30 October 2008 10:35
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [irishrugby] What it says in the papers



There's very little in the papers today about rugby but what's there is
worth reading.

Canada call a retiree into their squad, O'Driscoll takes a full part in
training, the first diplomas in professional rugby have been awarded and
attempts by South Africa to have one of the ELV's rescinded have been
thwarted by NZ and Aus
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1030/1225303612103.html

Interview with Ian Keatley - an excellent example of how Connacht is
useful to the Irish game
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1030/1225303612070.html

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There's very little in the papers today about rugby but what's there is
worth reading.

Canada call a retiree into their squad, O'Driscoll takes a full part in
training, the first diplomas in professional rugby have been awarded and
attempts by South Africa to have one of the ELV's rescinded have been
thwarted by NZ and Aus
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1030/1225303612103.html

Interview with Ian Keatley - an excellent example of how Connacht is
useful to the Irish game
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1030/1225303612070.html



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

All, just wondering if anyone is going to the game on Nov 15th. I am traveling
home for it (and actually have a ticket this time) and was wondering if anyone
would be in any of the watering holes prior or after the game and would care to
have a pint etc.
 
Cheers
Adrian Gannon


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An interview with Declan Kidney (a bit fawning but it provides some
insight and is definitely worth a read)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/kidney-aiming-to-strike-right-note
-1511954.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/kidney-on-1511953.html

Tyrone Howe on Ulster (little bit of difficulty still recognising that
some players have moved on)
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/tyrone-howe-at-last-ulster
-have-a-base-to-improve-14018849.html

Donal Lenihan on New Zealand, Munster, O'Driscoll and the Lions
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75939-qqqx=1.asp

Interview with Darren Cave (I first saw this guy playing in the
Churchill cup two years ago and his lines of running and appreciation of
space were exceptional, I don't think that the coaching situation in
Ulster helped him but he now appears to be coming through this season
and is definitely one to watch)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1029/1225197273600.html



Michael Halpenny
Project Manager
Global Reporting & Analytics team
Tel: + 353 (0)1 2792492

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EOS hasn't actually taken Declan Kidney hostage and is still running the
national team wearing a Declan Kidney suit?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/kidney-taking-no-chances-in-canada-matchup\
-1511252.html

The quote:

"The job teaches you to treat each week on its own. You're doing a disservice to
fellas who have played for Ireland before if you experiment. There will be no
experimentation."

is particularly reminiscent of dearly departed Eddie.

Ulster were excellent value for their win on Saturday evening, i managed to
watch most of it.  Hopefully it'll be onwards and upwards from here.  The key
difference between saturday's performance and earlier ones was the intensity
that they played with for the whole of the match. 

I don't expect Ulster to finish any higher than mid-table this year but if we
can perform to that level consistently few side will relish playing us.

cheers
stu

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seeking more of an explanation for the result from Ravenhill I reached for De
Paper...

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/?c=rugby&e=examiner&jp=qlojidauau

anyone else miss the detail of Edmund Van Esbeck's reports in the IT or am I the
only nostalgic oldie?!

Fair dues to Ulster. Of course, I wish they picked another team to kick
start their revival against but they were good value for their win.
Interesting that Thornley made a negative comment re Cave's passing but
Pollock looks very impressive and it will be good to give David Wallace some
competition.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:40 AM, <Michael_Halpenny@...> wrote:

>   Not much in the newspapers today:
>
> Canada is no time for experimenting!
> http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/kidney-taking-no-chances-in-canada
> -matchup-1511252.html
>
> Tony Ward on Munster and Leinster in the Magners league
> http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/heineken-cup/patchy-provincial-for
> m-a-headache-for-kidney-1511253.html
>
> Gerry Thornley on Matt William in Ulster
> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1028/1225061110635.html
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Not much in the newspapers today:

Canada is no time for experimenting!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/kidney-taking-no-chances-in-canada
-matchup-1511252.html

Tony Ward on Munster and Leinster in the Magners league
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/heineken-cup/patchy-provincial-for
m-a-headache-for-kidney-1511253.html

Gerry Thornley on Matt William in Ulster
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1028/1225061110635.html




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think with one eye to the future then Mal would probably be down the
pecking order but as one who has openly criticised him in the past, I
have to say that he's consistently put in high rate performances this
year and looks to be very fit. 3 years ago he looked totally shagged
after 30 minutes!



Myles

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Donal
Sent: October 27, 2008 2:00 PM
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [irishrugby] Re: 41 man squad announced - O'Driscoll named as
captain



Myles,

Accepting that the 2 O'C's are the starting pair, I guess it all
depends on where you see Mal relative to Donncha Ryan, Cullen and
maybe Caldwell. Certainly Leo would seem to be more important to
Leinster this season.

--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
, "Myles Byrne" <mbyrne@...> wrote:
>
> You're probably right on the captaincy thing Donal. However on the
basis
> of this season alone and going purely on merit and form, then I
would
> have to say that Mal would be 3rd choice 2nd row and deserves to
be on
> his performances to date.
>
>
>
> You mentioned Cave in an earlier post, I sincerely hope he gets a
decent
> run in the A team this year. Himself and Earls have been a dynamic
duo
> in the past and hopefully will be in the future!
>
>
>
> Myles
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Myles,

Accepting that the 2 O'C's are the starting pair, I guess it all
depends on where you see Mal relative to Donncha Ryan, Cullen and
maybe Caldwell. Certainly Leo would seem to be more important to
Leinster this season.



--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com, "Myles Byrne" <mbyrne@...> wrote:
>
> You're probably right on the captaincy thing Donal. However on the
basis
> of this season alone and going purely on merit and form, then I
would
> have to say that Mal would be 3rd choice 2nd row and deserves to
be on
> his performances to date.
>
>
>
> You mentioned Cave in an earlier post, I sincerely hope he gets a
decent
> run in the A team this year. Himself and Earls have been a dynamic
duo
> in the past and hopefully will be in the future!
>
>
>
> Myles
>

You're probably right on the captaincy thing Donal. However on the basis
of this season alone and going purely on merit and form, then I would
have to say that Mal would be 3rd choice 2nd row and deserves to be on
his performances to date.



You mentioned Cave in an earlier post, I sincerely hope he gets a decent
run in the A team this year. Himself and Earls have been a dynamic duo
in the past and hopefully will be in the future!



Myles



From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Donal
Sent: October 27, 2008 10:14 AM
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [irishrugby] Re: 41 man squad announced - O'Driscoll named as
captain



Mal is still, arguably, the best lineout jumper in Ireland, and
going on his perofrmance against Wasps, is still able to give 80
minutes from time to time. He's no more or less than 4th or 5th in
the 2nd row rankings, but that's enough to see him in a 41 man
squad. He won't be playing any A games, and I'd guess he'll only be
playing 6N games due to injury to others.

No sense in taking the captaincy away from O'Driscoll just now; the
only other current contenders are O'Gara and O'Connell, who aren't
any younger, and have shown flaws when given the chance to captain
Ireland. Maybe the plan is to maintain the status quo and wait for a
younger skipper (Heaslip, Leamy, Rory Best?) to emerge?

--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
, "Richard Powell"
<RichardPowell@...> wrote:
>
> Noticed the same thing Patrick; I actually think it's a good thing
to keep BOD from becoming complacent in the role. The captaincy will
probably assume somewhat different dimensions under DK than it did
under EOS.
> As for MOK, while obviously not one for the future I have to say
he's been playing very well this season - and I'd be one of his
biggest critics over the past several years. However, I do worry
about having a 40-50 minute player, prone to severe bouts of
flakiness.
> Richard
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> To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com <mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:16 AM
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> amongst others why why O'Kelly?
>
> also interesting BOD is named captain for the series of 3 games
as opposed to being confirmed as Ireland captain. does this mean he
remains captain, is on trial to keep his job, seeing whether he can
work with Kidney or what?
> I have an open mind on whether captaincy is in his best
interests or Irelands I would have expected a more concluive
decision. perhaps I have missed something in the press
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Mal is still, arguably, the best lineout jumper in Ireland, and
going on his perofrmance against Wasps, is still able to give 80
minutes from time to time. He's no more or less than 4th or 5th in
the 2nd row rankings, but that's enough to see him in a 41 man
squad. He won't be playing any A games, and I'd guess he'll only be
playing 6N games due to injury to others.

No sense in taking the captaincy away from O'Driscoll just now; the
only other current contenders are O'Gara and O'Connell, who aren't
any younger, and have shown flaws when given the chance to captain
Ireland. Maybe the plan is to maintain the status quo and wait for a
younger skipper (Heaslip, Leamy, Rory Best?) to emerge?


--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Powell"
<RichardPowell@...> wrote:
>
> Noticed the same thing Patrick; I actually think it's a good thing
to keep BOD from becoming complacent in the role. The captaincy will
probably assume somewhat different dimensions under DK than it did
under EOS.
> As for MOK, while obviously not one for the future I have to say
he's been playing very well this season - and I'd be one of his
biggest critics over the past several years. However, I do worry
about having a 40-50 minute player, prone to severe bouts of
flakiness.
> Richard
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: patrick.mccutcheon@...
>   To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:16 AM
>   Subject: RE: [irishrugby] 41 man squad announced - O'Driscoll
named as captain
>
>
>   amongst others why why O'Kelly?
>
>   also interesting BOD is named captain for the series of 3 games
as opposed to being confirmed as Ireland captain. does this mean he
remains captain, is on trial to keep his job, seeing whether he can
work with Kidney or what?
>   I have an open mind on whether captaincy is in his best
interests or Irelands I would have expected a more concluive
decision. perhaps I have missed something in the press
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Noticed the same thing Patrick; I actually think it's a good thing to keep BOD
from becoming complacent in the role. The captaincy will probably assume
somewhat different dimensions under DK than it did under EOS.
As for MOK, while obviously not one for the future I have to say he's been
playing very well this season - and I'd be one of his biggest critics over the
past several years. However, I do worry about having a 40-50 minute player,
prone to severe bouts of flakiness.
Richard
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: patrick.mccutcheon@...
   To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:16 AM
   Subject: RE: [irishrugby] 41 man squad announced - O'Driscoll named as captain


   amongst others why why O'Kelly?

   also interesting BOD is named captain for the series of 3 games as opposed to
being confirmed as Ireland captain. does this mean he remains captain, is on
trial to keep his job, seeing whether he can work with Kidney or what?
   I have an open mind on whether captaincy is in his best interests or Irelands
I would have expected a more concluive decision. perhaps I have missed something
in the press

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All Blacks to name squad for European tour, Andrew Trimble signs 2 year
contract extension
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75585-qqqx=1.asp

Preview of Leinster v Glasgow
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75583-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1024/1224715115290.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/magners-league/cheika-looking-to-g
et-back-on-track-in-league-1508130.html

On Andrew Trimble
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/trimblersquos-new-deal-bri
ghtens-ulsterrsquos-cloudy-skies-14014713.html

Preview of Connacht v Edinburgh
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1024/1224715115268.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/bradley-planning-allout-assault-15
08131.html

Liam Toland speculates on how Kidney will adapt to the ELV's
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1024/1224715115254.html

Bowe equates BOD to Keane
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75582-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/bowe-believes-odriscoll-has-keane-
qualities-1508132.html






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amongst others why why O'Kelly?

also interesting BOD is named captain for the series of 3 games as opposed to
being confirmed as Ireland captain. does this mean he remains captain, is on
trial to keep his job, seeing whether he can work with Kidney or what?
I have an open mind on whether captaincy is in his best interests or Irelands I
would have expected a more concluive decision. perhaps I have missed something
in the press


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Like both of Connaught's young half-backs?

From: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com [mailto:irishrugby@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Donal
Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Oktober 2008 19:56
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [irishrugby] Re: 41 man squad announced - O'Driscoll named as captain


Cave might be rather put out to see Barry Murphy's name there (I know
I am). Some of Connacht's backs might not agree that Gavin Duffy is
the only of them worthy of a place in such a large squad.

--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com<mailto:irishrugby%40yahoogroups.com>,
<Michael_Halpenny@...> wrote:
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> Struggling to think of anybody who might be aggrieved at being left out.
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Cave has been doing even less for Ulster this year than Murphy for Munster.
Munster have several 3/4s  who are first class players but Murphy has impressed
with every appearance. It's difficult for him to get in ahead of the likes of
Mafi, Tipoki, Howlett, Earls, but his cameos have all been productive.
Cave unfortunately has had even less opportunity to shine in an underperforming
Ulster side. I woudln't be too worried about his future just yet Donal, class
will out and both will be there or thereabouts.
Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: Donal <obriaind@...>
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:55 am
Subject: [irishrugby] Re: 41 man squad announced - O'Driscoll named as captain
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com

> Cave might be rather put out to see Barry Murphy's name there (I know
> I am). Some of Connacht's backs might not agree that Gavin Duffy is
> the only of them worthy of a place in such a large squad.
>
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> >
> > Struggling to think of anybody who might be aggrieved at being
> left out.
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Cave might be rather put out to see Barry Murphy's name there (I know
I am). Some of Connacht's backs might not agree that Gavin Duffy is
the only of them worthy of a place in such a large squad.


--- In irishrugby@yahoogroups.com, <Michael_Halpenny@...> wrote:
>
> Struggling to think of anybody who might be aggrieved at being left out.
>

Shaun Edwards thinks that Gaelic football might be the reason that
Geordan Murphy is good at catching the ball (utter rubbish)
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75469-qqqx=1.asp

Ulster and Munster squads announced
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75489-qqqx=1.asp

Speculation on the lions captaincy
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75488-qqqx=1.asp

Lions backroom team announced, Gatland appointed as Lions forwards coach
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75487-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/mcgeechan-names-a-lions-backroom-t
eam-with-a-sting-1506133.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1023/1224625123978.html

Glasgow team and Connacht squad, Duffy the only Connacht player in the
Irish squad
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75485-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/duffy-puts-irish-callup-to-one-sid
e-for-key-clash-1506136.html

Harrington to attend a Munster match
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75491-qqqx=1.asp

Commentary on Irish squad
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1023/1224625124017.html
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75486-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/odriscoll-stays-at-the-helm-150613
5.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/orsquodriscoll-still-has-t
he-hunger-for-leading-role-14011124.html

Ferris fit to play against Munster, Willie Anderson's son Thomas
selected for the Ulster squad
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1023/1224625124327.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/magners-league/fitagain-ferris-ret
urns-for-munster-clash-1506137.html



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I would imagine that he included everybody who may have a part to play
in the 6 nations.  At least that's the best reason I can think of for
including Leamy but not Best.  He does specifically state that he chose
a bigger squad so that more people can be introduced to the management
team.



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Behalf Of fiachra cunningham
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To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] 41 man squad announced - O'Driscoll named as
captain




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Struggling to think of anybody who might be aggrieved at being left out.


From the IRFU, http://www.irfu.ie

Brian O'Driscoll has been named Captain of the Ireland squad for the
upcoming GUINNESS Series against Canada in Thomond Park on November 8
and versus New Zealand and Argentina in Croke Park on November 15 and 22
respectively.
The 85 times capped, 29 years old, who has already captained Ireland on
over 40 occasions, heads a squad of 41 players, who assemble for a
week's training in Limerick on Monday next.
At the conclusion of that camp, the Ireland squad will be reduced to
approximately 30 players, from which the 22-man squad to play Canada
will be named.
New Ireland coach Declan Kidney said: "I am delighted that Brian has
agreed to Captain the squad for the GUINNESS Series 2008. I have also
opted to name a bigger squad than originally anticipated so that we can
continue to familiarise a largely new-look backroom staff with a wider
group of players.
"Our games assume additional importance this year considering their
significance as regards our seeding position going into the World Cup
2011 draw being made in December.
"We are currently ranked 8th - just ahead of Scotland - so the fact that
it  is paramount to at least maintain a Top 8 ranking,   underlines the
additional  importance of our results against Canada, New Zealand and
Argentina."
Ireland Squad, Guinness Series 2008

Backs:
Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
Ian Dowling (Shannon - Munster)
Girvan Dempsey (Terenure College - Leinster)
Gavin Duffy (Galwegians - Connacht)
Keith Earls (Young Munster - Munster)
Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
Shane Horgan (Boyne - Leinster)
Robert Kearney (UCD - Leinster)
Geordan Murphy (Leicester)
Barry Murphy (UL Bohemians - Munster)
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD - Leinster) Captain
Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution - Munster)
Tomas O'Leary (Dolphin - Munster)
Eoin Reddan (Wasps)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College - Leinster)
Peter Stringer (Shannon - Munster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena - Ulster)
Paddy Wallace (Ballymena - Ulster)
Forwards:
Rory Best (Banbridge - Ulster)
Tony Buckley (Shannon - Munster)
Ryan Caldwell (Dungannon - Ulster)
Bob Casey (London Irish)
Tom Court (Malone - Ulster)
Stephen Ferris (Dungannon - Ulster)
Jerry Flannery (Shannon - Munster)
John Hayes (Shannon - Munster)
Cian Healy (Clontarf - Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Naas - Leinster)
Marcus Horan (Shannon - Munster)
Bernard Jackman (Clontarf - Leinster)
Shane Jennings (St. Mary's College - Leinster)
Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution - Munster)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution - Munster)
Paul O'Connell (Young Munster - Munster)
Malcolm O'Kelly (St. Mary's College - Leinster)
Mick O'Driscoll (Cork Constitution - Munster)
Alan Quinlan (Shannon - Munster)
Michael Ross (Harlequins)
Donncha Ryan (Shannon - Munster)
David Wallace (Garryowen - Munster)
Roger Wilson (Northampton)



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Interview with Declan Kidney - worth a read
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1022/1224625076440.html

Responding to yesterdays interview of Conor O'Shea, Niall Woods does his
best to butter up the IRFU
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/woods-amazed-by-oshea-oversight-15
05011.html

Speculation on squad, O'Driscoll to retain captaincy?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75385-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/kidneys-five-key-issues-1505014.ht
ml
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/sport/rugby/kidney-to-na
me-squad-for-autumn-internationals-14010252.html

Seems that the Welsh don't like coaches who win grand slams as Gatland
threatens to leave
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75386-qqqx=1.asp

Donal Lenihan waxes lyrically on a number of different topics - key
message: "it's all good"
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75384-qqqx=1.asp
Tyrone How is slightly more restrained
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/tyrone-howe-leinster-heir-
to-the-throne-14010630.html

A mixed bag of reports, some of the quotes are worth a look though
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/springboks-threaten-turmoil-if-out
spoken-watson-picked-1505012.html

Preview of Glasgow v Leinster
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-q
qqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=75387-qqqx=1.asp
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/magners-league/cheika-focused-on-g
lasgow-test-1505013.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1022/1224454453059.html

Preview of Connacht v Edinburgh and Ulster v Munster
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1022/1224454453061.html




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Brendan

That has always been a problem in Limerick, going back to the start of youth
rugby in the early 70s. It was less of a problem in Cork, IIRC back in the days
when I played underage, most guys who wanted to play club rugby could do so,
unless they were very good. I remember one player in particular who captained
Munster schools for PBC and was picked for Ireland schools, insisted (and was
allowed) on able to play for his club as well (where he first joined as an under
8). The reverse is happening now where CBC are giving guys a rugby scholarship
at 15/16 to go to school and play rugby for them (David Corkery was one of the
first IIRC).

In anycase, it is a drum I have been beating for a long time i.e. that the whole
schools v youth situation is skewed badly in favour of the schools. From Funding
to International tickets to help from RDOs, it is geared towards schools with
the clubs in the wake. The Pro setups are going to have to identify talent in
other ways unless it is all sorted.Peter



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Behalf Of The Rockes
Sent: 21 October 2008 17:16
To: irishrugby@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [irishrugby] What it says in the papers



Rocky,

I agree with your friend's analysis on the impact that the schools are
having on Irish rugby. The whole thing in Limerick and Munster appears
to be a mess at the moment. I know it has always been a bone of
contention between clubs and schools going back bleams with the players
at junior and senior becoming cup tied after playing in the respective
provincial schools competitions. Added to this was the craziness of the
senior schools having the ability to panel players effectively
preventing them from participating in any club activity. The latest
nugget is that the schools can now panel junior cup players. Now we also
have the anomaly of the age grades which is such that a player can be
underage for the u14 club panel but over age for the u14 schools panel
which pushes him into the junior cup panel. This results in the schools
panelling players and affecting both the u15 and u14 club game. I also
have players in my u16 panel with Shannon that are being panelled for
senior schools.



This carry on is sticking in my craw and coupled with this we hear
comments from the schools that the players really learn their rugby from
the schools. Of course no consideration of the fact that I have most of
my panel since they were six.



Way to much clout and it's time they were put back in their box.



Brendan




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