Ok here goes



France 34 Wales 16

Scotland 26 Italy 18

Ireland 16 England 23



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Dublin City University



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France 60 Wales 25

Scotland 44 Italy 20

Ireland 9 England 18



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Wales 16 France 21

Italy 13 Scotland 15

England 16 Ireland 14



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Mike



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"a'r gath wedi scrapo Joni bach"

Wales 16  France 21

   Italy 13     Scotland 15

   England 17  Ireland 20



Good luck to all.





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wales 22 france 18

italy 18 scotland 24

england 18 irelamd 22



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Wales 10 France 42

Italy 16 Scotland 22

England 21 Ireland 14



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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:26 AM

Subject: [irishrugby] Predictions week 5





> Wales 16 France 21

> Italy 13 Scotland 15

> England 16 Ireland 14

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Italy 18 - 21 Scotland

Wales 17 - 38 France

England 14 - 25 Ireland



Chris

Italt 21 Scotland 19

Wales 14 France 28

England 16 Ireland 25



Patrick

Italy 23 - 29 Scotland

Wales 12 - 38 France

England 15 - Ireland 22



Cheers

Stu

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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:03 PM

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> wales 22 france 18

> italy 18 scotland 24

> england 18 irelamd 22

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> On 3/17/06, Adrian Gannon <rugbyteacher@...> wrote:

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Nah....just dreaming :)



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Game still on but all the old failings present to see



NO self-belief

NO plan B



In fact- No plan A



And most of all , we have beaten all of these English players off the park

in HC but the damned national team can't realize its potential.



And we can't blame Shitehouse- we should annihilate this bedraggled team of

sub-international standard English players. Instead, we've made them look

talented.



Roll on the HC- the 6N is full of nothing but pain for a team led by a

clown.



T



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Nah....just dreaming :)



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Unfortunately this result will be used by EOS to justify his tactics- we

have aspired to be mediocre and have over-achieved in this department. We

should have won the slam and the championship- not struggled to put away the

English dregs.



But on the bright side- worthless as it is we have the Triple Crown. It was

a fantastic game but will not be remembered for skill or guile- rather a

Cup-Final type win.





I must say the Irish commentary was absolutely sickening - lavish praise for

heart, effort and great vision ( while also mentioning that the English were

easily reading the flat attack by blitz defence - showing us to be

one-dimensional ). The BBC commentary was more balanced- saying that a poor

English team was holding a very talented Irish side to close quarters.



Maybe I'm a Bah-Humbug character but this results serves Irish rugby poorly

and will make it more difficult to prise the arse of EOS out of his seat.



But hey, at least we're not as bad as the Welsh- Hero to Zero in one season-

it's a fickle mistress, is our lover, the game of rugby.



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i'm just happy to win



On 3/18/06, Dr. Tomas Corcoran <mascor@...> wrote:

>

> Unfortunately this result will be used by EOS to justify his tactics- we

> have aspired to be mediocre and have over-achieved in this department. We

> should have won the slam and the championship- not struggled to put away

> the

> English dregs.

>

> But on the bright side- worthless as it is we have the Triple Crown. It

> was

> a fantastic game but will not be remembered for skill or guile- rather a

> Cup-Final type win.

>

>

> I must say the Irish commentary was absolutely sickening - lavish praise

> for

> heart, effort and great vision ( while also mentioning that the English

> were

> easily reading the flat attack by blitz defence - showing us to be

> one-dimensional ). The BBC commentary was more balanced- saying that a

> poor

> English team was holding a very talented Irish side to close quarters.

>

> Maybe I'm a Bah-Humbug character but this results serves Irish rugby

> poorly

> and will make it more difficult to prise the arse of EOS out of his seat.

>

> But hey, at least we're not as bad as the Welsh- Hero to Zero in one

> season-

> it's a fickle mistress, is our lover, the game of rugby.

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it's funny but not one of those tries should have counted.



1: in touch...eng lineout



2: leamy knocks it forward it then touches moody's hand before leamy

regathers- knock on eng 5 yard scrum



3: BOD in front of ROG's chip...penalty to eng in front of irish posts



still..shitehouse rode us for most of the game



On 3/18/06, Peadar Kelly <peadar.kelly@...> wrote:

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> i'm just happy to win

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> On 3/18/06, Dr. Tomas Corcoran <mascor@...> wrote:

> >

> > Unfortunately this result will be used by EOS to justify his tactics- we

> > have aspired to be mediocre and have over-achieved in this department.

> > We

> > should have won the slam and the championship- not struggled to put away

> > the

> > English dregs.

> >

> > But on the bright side- worthless as it is we have the Triple Crown. It

> > was

> > a fantastic game but will not be remembered for skill or guile- rather a

> > Cup-Final type win.

> >

> >

> > I must say the Irish commentary was absolutely sickening - lavish praise

> > for

> > heart, effort and great vision ( while also mentioning that the English

> > were

> > easily reading the flat attack by blitz defence - showing us to be

> > one-dimensional ). The BBC commentary was more balanced- saying that a

> > poor

> > English team was holding a very talented Irish side to close quarters.

> >

> > Maybe I'm a Bah-Humbug character but this results serves Irish rugby

> > poorly

> > and will make it more difficult to prise the arse of EOS out of his

> > seat.

> >

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> > season-

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I'll celebrate the here and now Tomas but the lack of leadership, the dismal

execution by O'Driscoll and Murphy, the folly of having inappropriate cover

on the bench, the failure to get MOK off sooner all nearly cost us the game.

Many positives but many inexcusable errors that could have led to a poor

English team beating us and flattering themselves into the bargain.

Nonetheless a TC and a win worth celebrating. The win that was more notable

in some ways was the A team's performance under Michael Bradley. All in all

a good weekend though.

Richard



-

Now after the Twickenham turf has been watered by copious champagne and

the Alaister Campbell-style spinning is slowly subsiding we can take

stock of the season. Most of the teams were woeful most of the time.

Ireland struggled to put away Italy, bottled up Scotland but couldn't

score any points, overwhelmed a Welsh rabble but underwhelmed most

spectators and pulled off the biggest heist in England since Tonbridge.

We are left with a propping situation which is only equalled by

Australia, an inability to deal with restarts from either direction, an

unbalanced back-row, a one-dimensional scrum-half and a back line that

cannot align itself and wants to crab laterally towards the stands at

all costs. If anything we have not progressed, our continued success is

because everyone else has regressed.



The memories of yesterday are of the disputed tries and the post-match

celebrations. I will forgive Dickinson the touchline debacle, it was a

difficult call and he owes irish teams something. Leamy (best Irish

player on the pitch) controlled the ball far better than it appeared at

first and BOD may have been ahead of the kicker but then so was Fritz I

suspect for the winning French try. What was disturbing was that Horgan

was given a head start on Moody but was caught easily before the line.

Easterby's sending off confirmed my suspicion that the copious work he

does that goes unnoticed by us also goes unnoticed by the majority of

the opposition. The resulting sole score during this ten minute period,

JOC's indiscretion was courtesy of Whitehouse's usual standard of

referreeing "ball out - tackle situation" then "coming in from the

side".



The post-match celebrations were most memorable for the somewhat

strange sight of EOS wresting the salver from the team and spending a

protracted period waving it at the Irish supporters. It summed up what

I thought this campaign had been all about - the cementing of his

position and his personal vindication. Michael asked some time ago what

constituted success for Ireland, personally winning the triple crown

and defeating the English at Twickenham no longer do it for me. Yes, it

makes my life more enjoyable as I go to work with my England supporting

colleagues but as a concept it has more to do with life pre1990 than

2006. When the triple crown concept was born there were four teams and

it meant a grandslam. It continued to have some meaning in the true

amateur days when I started watching. What I would like is at least one

championship and a semifinal spot at the World Cup and that will

necessitate turning over one or more from France, England, SA,

Australia and New Zealand. We are probably no closer that goal than we

were when Gatland was in charge.



When Tomas and I amongst others seem hypercritical it is not because we

are curmudgeonly or intemperate, rather we fear that moderate success

attained by underachievement from the most talented squad in twenty

years and possibly fifty will be used, as previously, to paper over the

cracks and replace our red, white and blue (interestingly not green)

spectacles with a rosier hue. The performance of the A team is a major

cause for hope if not those of the underage teams. So if we all

celebrate now well and good but lets not engage in the Indo style of

criticism where individual player scores have 3 added to them because

we have pulled off a victory. A medium-sized fish in a big pond is

better than small but how much better to be big and this squad with two

to three additions have the ability to pull off consistent victories

against the big five and make it the big six. By the way I quite liked

the carved lump of coal that was produced by a welsh miner, it seemed

to sum up the true nature of the amateur triple crown when you could

have the crap beaten out of you by any one of a postman, missionary,

solicitor, doctor, optician, accountant or clergyman of any hue.



Andrew

Great post Andrew! You beat me to the punch wrt Leamy, I had said to several

people during the game that he was outstanding and should have been awarded

MOM. That Goode got that award says much about English rugby at the present

time...........well that's their problem and they're welcome to it, painful

days ahead for England.



Tomas summed it up best with his Cup Final analogy, and you couldn't help

but scream your lungs out for them and admire the character that was

displayed. But make no mistake gentlemen, while the English forwards stepped

thing up from their previous outings, their backline creativity was no

better from the Scot and Fra games. Once the ball had gone out to their

backs I felt no need to worry at all, they ignored overlaps, ran back to

their pack, took wrong options and individually had some howlers. Their

halfbacks and wingers would improve neither the Leinster nor Munster squads.



For those of you that didn't want Wallace on this team, shame on you. For

those of you who wanted JOC on the bench, shame on you too. I had four major

issues with this squad selection. MOK, Murphy, Easterby & JOC..............

All four almost cost us the game yesterday. MOK was dire, we were screaming

for him to be replaced prior to Borthwick's try, yet he had to be exposed in

such a manner before our "crown waving" leader grew some balls, the fact

that Eddie actually made a non-injury substitution in the 53rd minute shows

how appalling MOK was playing. Play 5 games in the 6N perform well in one,

coach is happy.



  Murphy continues to rack up huge figures in the ball carrying stats, yet

compared to the likes of Leamy who did most of his carries from the

launching pad of a retreating scrum, Murphy's seldom if ever get within 10m

of the gainline. When he does join the line he seems very worried about

where the hit might come from and THAT is the main reason for some of his

woeful passes when seemingly under no pressure, his coach calls them

offloads yet there isn't a member of the opposition within six feet of

him????



  Easterby, for all his honest toil does not have the skill level or

athleticism to play the type of game we appear to pursue. He looks adequate

when the opposition  are looking for contact, he will tackle all

day......but so too will the much vaunted Scottish backrow. If there was a

case for punting Foley, then Easterby should have gone long before.



  JOC demonstrated why he is so well thought of in the English Premiership,

he would have been totally at home playing for England, slowing ball

illegally, coming in from the side and giving the opposition penalty kicks.

A typical headsdown player, all balls and kamikaze and no bloody vision at

all. His selection on the bench made us look fragile, his introduction when

Leamy got injured just about finished us. If we are to have a prayer on our

summer tour we must get all 4 backrow players in the squad correct, from the

correct balance of the starting trio, to the boy on the bench.



We also need another 3 front row players and pretty quickly too, if we take

a hammering like that again we may be able to survive for 55-65 mins but

against a team that has a real backline too we must be able to bring on a

prop & Hooker. Get well soon Frankie................Learn fast Bryan!



Myles







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From: "Andrew Jagoe" <andrew.jagoe@...>

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Subject: [irishrugby] End of another 6N





> Now after the Twickenham turf has been watered by copious champagne and

> the Alaister Campbell-style spinning is slowly subsiding we can take

> stock of the season. Most of the teams were woeful most of the time.

> Ireland struggled to put away Italy, bottled up Scotland but couldn't

> score any points, overwhelmed a Welsh rabble but underwhelmed most

> spectators and pulled off the biggest heist in England since Tonbridge.

> We are left with a propping situation which is only equalled by

> Australia, an inability to deal with restarts from either direction, an

> unbalanced back-row, a one-dimensional scrum-half and a back line that

> cannot align itself and wants to crab laterally towards the stands at

> all costs. If anything we have not progressed, our continued success is

> because everyone else has regressed.

>

> The memories of yesterday are of the disputed tries and the post-match

> celebrations. I will forgive Dickinson the touchline debacle, it was a

> difficult call and he owes irish teams something. Leamy (best Irish

> player on the pitch) controlled the ball far better than it appeared at

> first and BOD may have been ahead of the kicker but then so was Fritz I

> suspect for the winning French try. What was disturbing was that Horgan

> was given a head start on Moody but was caught easily before the line.

> Easterby's sending off confirmed my suspicion that the copious work he

> does that goes unnoticed by us also goes unnoticed by the majority of

> the opposition. The resulting sole score during this ten minute period,

> JOC's indiscretion was courtesy of Whitehouse's usual standard of

> referreeing "ball out - tackle situation" then "coming in from the

> side".

>

> The post-match celebrations were most memorable for the somewhat

> strange sight of EOS wresting the salver from the team and spending a

> protracted period waving it at the Irish supporters. It summed up what

> I thought this campaign had been all about - the cementing of his

> position and his personal vindication. Michael asked some time ago what

> constituted success for Ireland, personally winning the triple crown

> and defeating the English at Twickenham no longer do it for me. Yes, it

> makes my life more enjoyable as I go to work with my England supporting

> colleagues but as a concept it has more to do with life pre1990 than

> 2006. When the triple crown concept was born there were four teams and

> it meant a grandslam. It continued to have some meaning in the true

> amateur days when I started watching. What I would like is at least one

> championship and a semifinal spot at the World Cup and that will

> necessitate turning over one or more from France, England, SA,

> Australia and New Zealand. We are probably no closer that goal than we

> were when Gatland was in charge.

>

> When Tomas and I amongst others seem hypercritical it is not because we

> are curmudgeonly or intemperate, rather we fear that moderate success

> attained by underachievement from the most talented squad in twenty

> years and possibly fifty will be used, as previously, to paper over the

> cracks and replace our red, white and blue (interestingly not green)

> spectacles with a rosier hue. The performance of the A team is a major

> cause for hope if not those of the underage teams. So if we all

> celebrate now well and good but lets not engage in the Indo style of

> criticism where individual player scores have 3 added to them because

> we have pulled off a victory. A medium-sized fish in a big pond is

> better than small but how much better to be big and this squad with two

> to three additions have the ability to pull off consistent victories

> against the big five and make it the big six. By the way I quite liked

> the carved lump of coal that was produced by a welsh miner, it seemed

> to sum up the true nature of the amateur triple crown when you could

> have the crap beaten out of you by any one of a postman, missionary,

> solicitor, doctor, optician, accountant or clergyman of any hue.

>

> Andrew

>

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Myles, about your 4 players,



I agree with you on Murphy and O'Connor. Dempsey and Gleeson are doing

all the things they're good at, but doing them better for Leinster.

Ditto Neil Best and, arguably, Bryn Cunningham for Ulster.



On Mal, I didn't see him do anything wrong before Borthwick's try, and

it's worth noting that O'Callaghan's first action on replacing him was

to throw a punch at White that, had it been seen, could have earned

him a red card, and should at least have been a yellow. I'd maybe have

O'Driscoll starting ahead of both of them. He'd add some leadership to

the team, too.



On Easterby, I thought he was very good. His 1st 2 actions in the game

were to catch English players behind the gainline at the fringes; I

think he got a turnover off Ellis off one of them. To say he "nearly

cost us the game" for having the misfortunre to be standing near

Dawson when he tapped a penalty is even harsher than the yellow card

he got for his troubles.



It wasn't a great game, made watchable more by the drama than by the

skills on show. Still our backs found more space than in previous

games, and again were a pass or 2 away from opening up (Murphy to

Flannery and O'Driscoll to D'Arcy being the 2 passes in particular).



Still, I think we're looking at a half-full glass; granted the

opposition was poor this season, but in a year which the coach said

beforehand would be a "long, hard year," involving rebuilding the team

and introducing new systems, to come out with a "share of the

championship" in the old money isn't a bad return. It's not perfect,

and it's another grand slam thrown away rather than a hugely positive

achievement, but progress has been made.



We won't know if this season was a success until the end of next

season. If the systems used this year are still in place by then, and

working better, then the bedding down process of this year will have

been valuable.



Donal

Let's get the yellow card thing in perspective. DOC was involved in a

scuffle with White at a time when the English pack was bullying the Irish

pack. Yes he might have been carded but I think this was one of the good

decisions made by chitehouse who recognized that there was more than one

sinner. To yellow card would have been harsh, to red card would have been

ridiculous - but it could have happened. The first thing Thompson did when

he came on was try to disrupt the Irish scrum with illegal tactics. His

'Captain Pop-up' imitation would have had some here screaming for Hayes'

head if it had been he who was doing it. Flannery reacted to him and again

Whitehouse dealt with it properly. Ireland's pack performance in the scrums

and tight exchanges had become quite subdued; England was bullying them. DOC

and Flannery were instrumental in 'warning-off' England from that approach.

I agree that DOC needs to be careful but MOK had to come off. He was

shagged, out on his feet and becoming increasingly ineffective by that

time.Donal if you get the chance to re-watch the game watch the number of

errors he was making in the 2nd half, and look at how he made no effort on

the English try even though he was close enough to do something.  He should

have gone sooner.

To be honest I am very surprised that MOD is not at least a replacement and

I think DOC has been selected for Ireland and for Munster on the same basis

as MOK for Ireland - reputation.My view says MOD on the field, DOC on the

bench.

Murphy and BOD have combined to give us several lost opportunities this

year, and were it not for reputation and some tremendous defensive work a

case could be made for dropping BOD to the bench. His leadership is

questionable and he should never have let Stringer take that tap penalty.

BOTH players need to re-examine that one.

The card on Easterby was utter nonsense

Wallace and Leamy were outstanding, so too POC, Flannery, Horgan. Above faux

pas apart Stringer was excellent also. ROG should have been subbed, even if

only to change the pattern for Ireland and taking off Trimble instead of

Murphy was highly questionable. Dempsey was immediately apparent as a better

option than Murphy when he came on. Humpty is past his sell-by date but if

he's good enough for the bench then he could and should be used. I wonder

what he and Reddan think after 400 and 395 minutes of bench time

respectively this season?

There are so many thing I want to say but I think Andrew and Myles have

covered most of it. Ireland will discover how good they are and what they

really need to work on when they go to the SH in June. Hopefully several of

the rising stars (Heaslip, Dowling, Jennings, et al) will be give some

chances there; my guess is that they will merely make up the numbers for

training sessions.

BTW Donal, while I agree with much of what you have said I see very little

evidence of transition. If dropping Corrigan, Byrne and Foley equates to

transition I'd say two of those were long overdue, their apparent

replacements (Horan and Sheahan I mean) already well embedded in the squad.

The third was simply a strange and premature choice which may work out to

have been a very good one. Flannery became the option for hooker because of

his performances for Munster. He and Trimble essentially replaced injured

incumbents (Sheahan would have been selected and so would Hickie, IMHO

again)

Richard













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"His 'Captain Pop-up' imitation would have had some here screaming for

Hayes'

head if it had been he who was doing it"



- Hayes and Horan were doing this all through the game. Lucky to have gotten

away with it.

Thats rubbish Justin..you exaggerate a million times a day



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"His 'Captain Pop-up' imitation would have had some here screaming for

Hayes'

head if it had been he who was doing it"



- Hayes and Horan were doing this all through the game. Lucky to have gotten

away with it.









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Have a look at how much work G DArcy did and you have not even given him a

mention.





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Myles, about your 4 players,



>I agree with you on Murphy and O'Connor. Dempsey and Gleeson are doing

>all the things they're good at, but doing them better for Leinster.

>Ditto Neil Best and, arguably, Bryn Cunningham for Ulster.



To be honest and I know you won't agree with me on this, but last

Saturday's game was precisely the style of game that Gleeson struggles

to impose any kind of physical presence. It has been in similar games

against juggernaut packs that he has gone AWOL. I believe he would have

been a welcome addition against the Scots but I would seriously have

doubted if he could have made an impact last Saturday.





>On Mal, I didn't see him do anything wrong before Borthwick's try, and

>it's worth noting that O'Callaghan's first action on replacing him was

>to throw a punch at White that, had it been seen, could have earned

>him a red card, and should at least have been a yellow. I'd maybe have

>O'Driscoll starting ahead of both of them. He'd add some leadership to

>the team, too.



Donal, whatever happened to Mal had him out on his feet shortly after

halftime, it wasn't that he did anything wrong, more that he seemed

incapable of doing anything at all. Perhaps he copped a couple of digs

from English forwards, either way the shepherds hook was long overdue.





>On Easterby, I thought he was very good. His 1st 2 actions in the game

>were to catch English players behind the gainline at the fringes; I

>think he got a turnover off Ellis off one of them. To say he "nearly

>cost us the game" for having the misfortunre to be standing near

>Dawson when he tapped a penalty is even harsher than the yellow card

>he got for his troubles.



Fair comment.......With Easterby I was more referring to the fact that

during the AI and the 6N he has been anonymous for much of the time. The

game on Saturday presented him with ample opportunity to show his

strengths. I still believe however that he is a detriment to a more

expansive game and is contributing to the imbalance in the back row. He

could still be a solid bench option though, he has the versatility. BTW

I agree totally wrt the yellow card.

On a different topic, someone mentioned here that Darcy didn't get the

credit he deserved, I tend to agree, he made some lovely half-breaks,

got across the gain line several times and tackled very well.



Myles













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