Hello Marc,
     You can do a google search for ba gua vcd's or tai chi vcd's and
get lots of sources.  I like cmaod.org.  There's usually an hours
worth of material on each vcd.  You don't need a dvd player to watch
them, but a fairly quick computer is nice.  You do have to download
some type of player for dat files, but they're available at the usual
places.  I don't claim a total beginner can become Bruce Lee just by
watching stuff, but I've worked out lots of moves and sets from these
vcds and if you get just a few moves from one, it's worth it.
>
> Normm,
>
> Are you telling us that for   10 dollars, you found a ba gua cd
that
> one can actually learn to fight with? Tai-chi too? May I ask where
I
> can see these cd,s? Sounds incredible?
>
> Marc

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> I've been studying the VCD's of Cheng and Liang styles of Ba Gua
> lately.  This stuff is just incredible.  You get pretty much the
> whole art for less than ten bucks.  It helps to have previous
> experience but the knowledge is there for the taking at your own
> pace.  I've also been checking out various Tai Chi styles on VCD's
> and I think these things are going to revolutionize the martial
world.

Normm,

Are you telling us that for   10 dollars, you found a ba gua cd that
one can actually learn to fight with? Tai-chi too? May I ask where I
can see these cd,s? Sounds incredible?

Marc

I've been studying the VCD's of Cheng and Liang styles of Ba Gua
lately.  This stuff is just incredible.  You get pretty much the
whole art for less than ten bucks.  It helps to have previous
experience but the knowledge is there for the taking at your own
pace.  I've also been checking out various Tai Chi styles on VCD's
and I think these things are going to revolutionize the martial world.

Hi Everyone,
Just found a really good jow site i thought might be of interest.
http://www.ditdajows.com
they have herbs as well. I had gotten some pain cream from a friend &
they finally gave me the link... the cream works great! It doesnt
even have a smell to it.


Kind Regards,
                lil_natural_one

I was just wondering, and if anyone would like to comment that would
be great, could anyone elaborate on Ba Gua as a Martial Art? Well I
know it is really good for development of internal power, but how is
the martial art incorporated in the training? What would be the time
frame for someone studying it to begin to learning that part (I know
there is alot of internal training to be done)? Also, ok this might
be hard to word, but I will try, how would a person who studied Ba
Gua fight (so lets say some one who studied TKD might be looking to
land a big kick, or other styles look for a lock, etc)? I know
recently I was looking at something, and it said that bodyguard of
Chinese Royalty used to know it. So I would assume that it would be a
very special fighting art if the body guards of a countries royalty
would use it.

I guess another reason I asked this questions is I saw another post
in a different group and it was saying that other martial arts, the
hard styles, were more effective martial arts compared to internal
arts (I think it went so far to say that in legend other styles
faired better). So that confused me a little since I heard that
internal martial arts were so powerful at high levels. Oh, I am still
a rookie in my martial arts study, so I dont mean to be off line here.

Thank you.

Hi everyone,
        I found this site & thought i'd share it...
http://www.ditdajows.com
They have a huge herbal section & one of the best Dit Da Jow product
lines I have seen yet...

no this is NOT spam, just thought I'd share it


free_to_tinker

Is there anywhere to learn Ba Gua in New York City?

New classes in Hong Kong teached by Sifu Peter Ziboce
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Content: Training on internal strength for Tai Chi
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the whole goal is to get together learn little about each others
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I personally dont train Bagua but plan to but if this
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Greetings all I have been MIA for alittle while but I am back and
ready to partcipate once again.
first I live in Paterson NJ and study the Chen Style Tai Chi
under sifu Greg Pinney. My goal is to eventually teach tai chi
and learn Bagua. would love to hear from fellow Tai chi
and martial art students in the area.

Yin Style Bagua Zhang

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the
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Master Chen's teaching method focuses on building a strong
foundation, correct body structure and the practical usage of this
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Classes begin on April 12, 2003 and will be held at:

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2nd Floor
New York, NY 10001

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Hello everyone.  I'm a new student to T'ai Chi and am trying to find
a teacher.  I would like to know someone with the spiritual knowledge
of where, why and how it started as well as the ability and
willingness to teach me.  I live in Indianapolis, Indiana and am
unable to travel until the spring or early summer.  I would
appreciate online correspondence and/or someone local to learn/study
with.  I don't intend on being a master martial artists in
competitions and such, just gaining the knowledge and full use of my
mind and body.  I'm a peaceful person and believe things can be
resolved without violence.  If anyone is interested in helping me
learn more, please contact me.

--- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace Luong"
<hluong68@h...> wrote:
> Here's a video of the mulan dance:
http://www.dragonslist.com/kwoon/index.php?id=40
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: akira252000
>   To: internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:48 PM
>   Subject: [Internal wushu bagua tai chi] Re: [Internal wushu
bagua tai chi] Hello everyone
>
>
>   --- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace Luong"
>   <hluong68@h...> wrote:
>   > Used in Combat...hmm...don't know much about this...I do it
more
>   for health purposes.  Perhaps someone else's expertise can be of
>   help!
>   >
>   > Most fan forms are single fan - Mulan form is an exception -
>   though I don't really consider it taiji - it's more of a dance.
>   >
>   >
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: akira252000
>   >   To: internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:15 PM
>   >   Subject: [Internal wushu bagua tai chi] Re: [Internal wushu
>   bagua tai chi] Hello everyone
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace
Luong"
>   >   <hluong68@h...> wrote:
>   >   > What sort of fan form are you inquiring about?  Though
there
>   are
>   >   few
>   >   > styles, it is quite diverse in it's appearance.  I
practice
>   the
>   >   four corners
>   >   > (directions) fan form and also the dragon phoenix fan
form.
>   The
>   >   dragon
>   >   > phoenix form resembles the competition 42 sword form.  The
>   four
>   >   corners
>   >   > (direction) form is a combination of many Kung fu/wushu
>   styles -
>   >   bagua, nan
>   >   > quan, taiji, chang quan, etc.
>   >   >
>   >   > Is there something in particular that you wanted?
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > Please visit Horace's Web Page at
>   >   http://www.angelfire.com/ca/hluong
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>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > Yes I wanted to know about the single fan form and it is
used
>   in
>   >   combat.
>   >   >
>   >   > Could you please tell about the mulan fan dance then.
>
>   I'am trying to find out about taijiquan.
>   >   >
>   >   > Thank you for the video it's very interesting.
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Here's a video of the mulan dance: 
http://www.dragonslist.com/kwoon/index.php?id=40


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   From: akira252000
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   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:48 PM
   Subject: [Internal wushu bagua tai chi] Re: [Internal wushu bagua tai chi]
Hello everyone


   --- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace Luong"
   <hluong68@h...> wrote:
   > Used in Combat...hmm...don't know much about this...I do it more
   for health purposes.  Perhaps someone else's expertise can be of
   help!
   >
   > Most fan forms are single fan - Mulan form is an exception -
   though I don't really consider it taiji - it's more of a dance.
   >
   >
   >   ----- Original Message -----
   >   From: akira252000
   >   To: internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com
   >   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:15 PM
   >   Subject: [Internal wushu bagua tai chi] Re: [Internal wushu
   bagua tai chi] Hello everyone
   >
   >
   >   --- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace Luong"
   >   <hluong68@h...> wrote:
   >   > What sort of fan form are you inquiring about?  Though there
   are
   >   few
   >   > styles, it is quite diverse in it's appearance.  I practice
   the
   >   four corners
   >   > (directions) fan form and also the dragon phoenix fan form.
   The
   >   dragon
   >   > phoenix form resembles the competition 42 sword form.  The
   four
   >   corners
   >   > (direction) form is a combination of many Kung fu/wushu
   styles -
   >   bagua, nan
   >   > quan, taiji, chang quan, etc.
   >   >
   >   > Is there something in particular that you wanted?
   >   >
   >   >
   >   >
   >   > Please visit Horace's Web Page at
   >   http://www.angelfire.com/ca/hluong
   >   > Remember to sign the Guestbook ^_^!
   >   >
   >   >
   >   > Yes I wanted to know about the single fan form and it is used
   in
   >   combat.
   >   >
   >   > Could you please tell about the mulan fan dance then.

   I'am trying to find out about taijiquan.
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--- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace Luong"
<hluong68@h...> wrote:
> Used in Combat...hmm...don't know much about this...I do it more
for health purposes.  Perhaps someone else's expertise can be of
help!
>
> Most fan forms are single fan - Mulan form is an exception -
though I don't really consider it taiji - it's more of a dance.
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: akira252000
>   To: internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:15 PM
>   Subject: [Internal wushu bagua tai chi] Re: [Internal wushu
bagua tai chi] Hello everyone
>
>
>   --- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace Luong"
>   <hluong68@h...> wrote:
>   > What sort of fan form are you inquiring about?  Though there
are
>   few
>   > styles, it is quite diverse in it's appearance.  I practice
the
>   four corners
>   > (directions) fan form and also the dragon phoenix fan form.
The
>   dragon
>   > phoenix form resembles the competition 42 sword form.  The
four
>   corners
>   > (direction) form is a combination of many Kung fu/wushu
styles -
>   bagua, nan
>   > quan, taiji, chang quan, etc.
>   >
>   > Is there something in particular that you wanted?
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Please visit Horace's Web Page at
>   http://www.angelfire.com/ca/hluong
>   > Remember to sign the Guestbook ^_^!
>   >
>   >
>   > Yes I wanted to know about the single fan form and it is used
in
>   combat.
>   >
>   > Could you please tell about the mulan fan dance then.

I'am trying to find out about taijiquan.
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Used in Combat...hmm...don't know much about this...I do it more for health
purposes.  Perhaps someone else's expertise can be of help!

Most fan forms are single fan - Mulan form is an exception - though I don't
really consider it taiji - it's more of a dance.


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   To: internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:15 PM
   Subject: [Internal wushu bagua tai chi] Re: [Internal wushu bagua tai chi]
Hello everyone


   --- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace Luong"
   <hluong68@h...> wrote:
   > What sort of fan form are you inquiring about?  Though there are
   few
   > styles, it is quite diverse in it's appearance.  I practice the
   four corners
   > (directions) fan form and also the dragon phoenix fan form.  The
   dragon
   > phoenix form resembles the competition 42 sword form.  The four
   corners
   > (direction) form is a combination of many Kung fu/wushu styles -
   bagua, nan
   > quan, taiji, chang quan, etc.
   >
   > Is there something in particular that you wanted?
   >
   >
   >
   > Please visit Horace's Web Page at
   http://www.angelfire.com/ca/hluong
   > Remember to sign the Guestbook ^_^!
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   >
   > Yes I wanted to know about the single fan form and it is used in
   combat.
   >
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--- In internalwushubaguataichi@yahoogroups.com, "Horace Luong"
<hluong68@h...> wrote:
> What sort of fan form are you inquiring about?  Though there are
few
> styles, it is quite diverse in it's appearance.  I practice the
four corners
> (directions) fan form and also the dragon phoenix fan form.  The
dragon
> phoenix form resembles the competition 42 sword form.  The four
corners
> (direction) form is a combination of many Kung fu/wushu styles -
bagua, nan
> quan, taiji, chang quan, etc.
>
> Is there something in particular that you wanted?
>
>
>
> Please visit Horace's Web Page at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/hluong
> Remember to sign the Guestbook ^_^!
>
>
> Yes I wanted to know about the single fan form and it is used in
combat.
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________

What sort of fan form are you inquiring about?  Though there are few
styles, it is quite diverse in it's appearance.  I practice the four corners
(directions) fan form and also the dragon phoenix fan form.  The dragon
phoenix form resembles the competition 42 sword form.  The four corners
(direction) form is a combination of many Kung fu/wushu styles - bagua, nan
quan, taiji, chang quan, etc.

Is there something in particular that you wanted?



Please visit Horace's Web Page at http://www.angelfire.com/ca/hluong
Remember to sign the Guestbook ^_^!






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I'am trying to find infomation on the taji-fan can anyone give me
any info on it. Answer this when ever you can thank you.