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RE: [inline-instruction] "Green" helmets?

Whether in the US or some other country, certain things remain constant:

1. In the absence of a requirement, wearing a helmet is a personal choice.
2. That choice is based solely on the individual's own PERCEPTION of risk to
him/her self and their own calculations of the amount of risk versus the
potential harm. I.E., what can they lose by not wearing it.
3. I always advise my students thus - "After the lesson, wearing a helmet is
your choice. My impression of those who choose to not wear a helmet is that
they have decided they have not much to lose. And given that they have
chosen to not wear a helmet, I have no basis to argue with that decision."


They are called "accidents" not "on purposes". If I knew when I was going
to have one, that is certainly when I would wear a helmet. I don't know,
though. And that's why I wear a helmet.
AND I have absolutely no problem with anyone who chooses not to. Well,
unless of course I'm the one who has to scrape up the grey matter.



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While I certainly can't quantify this, my recollection from visits to the
Netherlands is that a great amount of the cycling there is low speed,
utility cycling, on upright three-speed bikes -- done primarily on bike
lanes separated from motor vehicle traffic by a curb or a median. It is a
very different cycling climate than in North America.

Yes, I'd feel safer cycling without a helmet on a car-free pathway than I
would with a helmet on a busy street.

I'd also suggest that those in the Netherlands who participate in more risky
recreational cycling (racing/training, off-road, etc...) are more apt to
voluntarliy wear helmets while doing those activities.

Patrick Seltsam

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yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [inline-instruction] "Green" helmets?

Hi Helen,

I don't think that cycling can be considered dangerous, even in the USA.
Although more risky than in the UK and the Netherlands, that risk is still
very very small.

I also don't believe helmets are at all essential for cycling. They are
perhaps one of the least effective safety measures that can be taken. Much
much more effective is proper riding technique and road craft, using lights,
etc.

Best regards,
Mike.

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Hi Mike,
I knew you would get some interesting feed back from the USA about helmets.

One thing about the Internet is, something's that might work in one country,
may not work in another.
Hence, helmets are a must in the USA for 3 reasons, we are an "extreme"
culture, automobiles rule the roads, and last the land of suing.

In all the reports I have read in the USA it has been cyclists that have the
most fatalities, but then there are more cyclists than skaters.

I don't know anywhere in the USA were they have 1,500 wild horses roaming
and sharing the roads with bikers like they do in the New Forest, Hants, UK,
road patience :)

Remember, when one is right, that is all they get to be............ Demi
Moore.
Helen,
Everett, WA. USA
Harrow, Middx. UK

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Mike if you don't think cycling isn't dangerous without a helmet, see link below. http://www.cdc.gov/od/perfplan/2000/2000xbicycle.htm Walter Johnson Mike van...
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Hi Walter, I find it very interesting that the USA has both the highest rate of helmet wearing, and the highest rate of head injury, whilst the Netherlands has...
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Whether in the US or some other country, certain things remain constant: 1. In the absence of a requirement, wearing a helmet is a personal choice. 2. That...
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