Hello
Putting my thoughts together and looking back over the past couple of years of
studying Hwa Yu .
At this time I have a pretty good understanding of the mechanics of the form.
I'm improving my skill with the 15 Quick self-defenses.
Push hands I can see will be difficult. I need to have my rowing perfect in
order to concentrate on what my upper body is doing.
Keep reading the Six Combinations and eight Methods. It seems to come together
and make more and more sense the deeper I get into the form.
The bowing of the knees and roundness of the back are so important. When to
lock the shoulders and when to let them go or relax. The angle of the arms and
straightness of the hands. The connectedness that is revealed in the 15 quick
self-defenses. Being relaxed , meditative, spiritual. Floating like a
butterfly with the strength of flowing water. Incorporating all of the above
into the form, all at one time, is going to be a daunting task.
I'm not sure this will fit in my brain all at the same time.
Curt Eaton
Greetings! Hope you have a wonderful time. Look forward to seeing pictures!
Mark
--- In hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com, "glenn" <hwayu121@...> wrote:
>
> We are looking forward to seeing everyone this coming Saturday at our fall
Workshop. It should be a great day. So far the weather looks like it will be
clear but cool.
>
We are looking forward to seeing everyone this coming Saturday at our fall
Workshop. It should be a great day. So far the weather looks like it will be
clear but cool.
There will be a workshop on Hwa Yu in Connecticut on Oct. 17, 09 sponsored by
myself and The Central CT Hwa Yu Federation. Some of the topics that will be
covered are the Animal Forms,Internal movement theories and practices, and some
of Hwa Yu's push hands exercises. All hwa Yu/LHBF players are welcome. The
event is free.
The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology is teaching Shaolin Temple dan tian breathing to autistic children and those with cerebral, sleeping and stomach problems. They are coming up with good results.
I went to an international Wu Ju Chuan (Ng Jo Kuen) congress in Kuala Lumpur some years ago where participnts also demonstrated chi healing. Wu Ju Chuan is the grandfather of today's karate.
I have been practising chi healing for some years now, thanks to LHBF.
My method is simple -- I just put my hand(s) above the affected spots for 10 to 15 minutes without moving it. I can feel a rush of heat from that spot (sometimes it's cold) and the pain will be gone. I do not need to concentrate or think of moving away whatever is causing the ailment.
The Chinese believe using chi saps your chi power. I think it is this misconception that is keeping many IMA practitions with this ability from making practical use of it and help people. Even Master Lo Chi-wan warned me against using my chi.
The people I helped are those with arthritis, aching in body and limps and three or four cases of breast cancer (in one case, the cysts disappeared after only one session, and one with hardened breasts wanted me to feel them when she found they became soft again).
I also tried to stop rain. On two occasions and watched by one witness, the rain stopped and the rain clouds instead of heading my way drifted to the left. But on all occasions, I added prayers to God.
Comments please.
Peter O
From: erik matthiesen <erikabelcat@...> To: hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:26:31 AM Subject: [hwayutaichi] Re: Chi Heeling
-you should talk to Stanley about this topic. He has told me more than once that he considers his Tai Chi training as sort of foundation for his therapeutic work such as craniosacral technique and Rolf method and also his own invention: Rosenberg Technique.
My teacher was a student of Stanley in both Tai Chi and The bodytherapy curriculum Stanley teaches, so I have been sort of 'raised' with this sort of understanding.
Qi and thus Qi healing have been foundational for my Tai Chi understanding.
-- In hwayutaichi@ yahoogroups. com, "Glenn Newth" <hwayu121@.. .> wrote: > > Does anyone out there have any experence in using Hwa Yu/lhbf for heeling other people who were or are suffering from some sort of ailment? >
-you should talk to Stanley about this topic. He has told me more than
once that he considers his Tai Chi training as sort of foundation
for his therapeutic work such as craniosacral technique and Rolf method
and also his own invention: Rosenberg Technique.
My teacher was a student of Stanley in both Tai Chi and The bodytherapy
curriculum Stanley teaches, so I have been sort of 'raised' with
this sort of understanding.
Qi and thus Qi healing have been foundational for my Tai Chi
understanding.
-- In hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Newth" <hwayu121@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there have any experence in using Hwa Yu/lhbf for heeling
other people who were or are suffering from some sort of ailment?
>
Although every movement in the LHBF long form is a variation of the opening
(first movement); each successive movement expands on the possibilities of it's
function by increasing the complexity of the basic movement; thereby
incorperating more of the body with each new movement. The result of this is a
complete system of movement education and body awareness. It is astounding that
this system can also be useful for meditation and self-defense purposes.
Just uploaded a couple of application videos for Dragon and tiger forms.
http://www.youtube.com/user/DaoDweller
let me know what you think...
All the best in you training,
Ian
--- On Sat, 6/27/09, hobbitale03 <hwayu@...> wrote:
From: hobbitale03 <hwayu@...> Subject: [hwayutaichi] As a new student To: hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 12:37 PM
Just to let you know as a new student of Hwa Yu. I want to thank you for these postings. The information I have gotten is greatly appreciated. Glenn Newth puts up with me and is doing a great job of teaching me. Thank you. I can see I have a long way to go and I'm looking forward to the journey.
I look forward to the when I can have some thing to offer Hwa Yu practitioners. I want you to know your comments and wisdom are appreciated. Looking forward to reading more. Keep up the good work.
sincerely
Curt Eaton.
PS. World Tai Chi day was great. I hope to see our friends again and share our experience.
Just to let you know as a new student of Hwa Yu. I want to thank you for these
postings. The information I have gotten is greatly appreciated. Glenn Newth
puts up with me and is doing a great job of teaching me. Thank you. I can see
I have a long way to go and I'm looking forward to the journey.
I look forward to the when I can have some thing to offer Hwa Yu practitioners.
I want you to know your comments and wisdom are appreciated. Looking forward to
reading more. Keep up the good work.
sincerely
Curt Eaton.
PS. World Tai Chi day was great. I hope to see our friends again and share our
experience.
--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Ian Prescott <sifu_ian@...> wrote:
From: Ian Prescott <sifu_ian@...> Subject: Re: [hwayutaichi] Forms practice To: hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 9:00 PM
I just posted a few of the Liuhebafa animals on youtube.
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=YDLDyHVC130
watch the other three in the list if you wish as well. Let me know what you think.
Ian
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Ian Prescott <sifu_ian@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Ian Prescott <sifu_ian@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [hwayutaichi] Forms practice To: hwayutaichi@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 9:51 AM
I like to practice my forms on the banks of the Susquehanna river here in Pa. It is very soothing yet very energizing at the same time. Helps me to get in touch with the flow of water in this amazing waterboxing art that we practice.
Ian
--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Glenn Newth <hwayu121@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Glenn Newth <hwayu121@yahoo. com> Subject: [hwayutaichi] Forms practice To: hwayutaichi@
yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 5:40 PM
Where do you like to practice your forms? In the warmer months I just love to practice outside; especially near water. I have a favorite spot in Groton CT on Long Islland Sound where I love to spend the afternooon doing my forms.
I just posted a few of the Liuhebafa animals on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDLDyHVC130
watch the other three in the list if you wish as well. Let me know what you think.
Ian
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Ian Prescott <sifu_ian@...> wrote:
From: Ian Prescott <sifu_ian@...> Subject: Re: [hwayutaichi] Forms practice To: hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 9:51 AM
I like to practice my forms on the banks of the Susquehanna river here in Pa. It is very soothing yet very energizing at the same time. Helps me to get in touch with the flow of water in this amazing waterboxing art that we practice.
Ian
--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Glenn Newth <hwayu121@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Glenn Newth <hwayu121@yahoo. com> Subject: [hwayutaichi] Forms practice To: hwayutaichi@
yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 5:40 PM
Where do you like to practice your forms? In the warmer months I just love to practice outside; especially near water. I have a favorite spot in Groton CT on Long Islland Sound where I love to spend the afternooon doing my forms.
I like to practice my forms on the banks of the Susquehanna river here in Pa. It is very soothing yet very energizing at the same time. Helps me to get in touch with the flow of water in this amazing waterboxing art that we practice.
Ian
--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Glenn Newth <hwayu121@...> wrote:
From: Glenn Newth <hwayu121@...> Subject: [hwayutaichi] Forms practice To: hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 5:40 PM
Where do you like to practice your forms? In the warmer months I just love to practice outside; especially near water. I have a favorite spot in Groton CT on Long Islland Sound where I love to spend the afternooon doing my forms.
The email below is from my Manila student which I think is an interesting
subject for discussion.
First of when people ask me how many moves are in lhbf, I always say, there is
only one. This is my explanation on what was written below about my 99%
completion of each movement before moving to the next.
My view is that when practising lhbf we project chi and by not completing the
movement and smoothing it to the next, we retract chi. Doing the form this way
is a continuous projecting and retracting of chi.
Hence my student's request to send him energy for his pace replacement -- I have
discovered doing the form this way enables me to heal, including distance
healing.
In the description of my stance while practising, please read toes instead of
heel.
Any comments?
Peter O
Master Peter,
I don't know if this will reach you in time; tried your cellphone, but Ed
said best to e-mail you. Am undergoing pacemaker replacement operation on June
17, Wednesday at 2PM, Makati Med. Kindly send me energy. Asked
cardiologist/surgeon to suggest while I'm sedated that I shall regain my health
when I was 18 years old after operation. He suggested I also tell
anesthesiologist.
Practicing LHBF almost everyday upon waking up and right after 15 minute
Mantra chant and 5 minute stretch. Ed pointed out that in your video, your knee
seldom aligns to the middle of your foot;rather it aligns straight to the heel.
Any particular reason for that;Ed says it is more stable. He also pointed out
that you seldom complete a move 100%. Rather when it's almost 99% complete,you
are alreadyshifting to the next move. I watched again closely and saw that too.
Is this what you mean by constatnly flowing?
The email below is from my Manila student which I think is an interesting
subject for discussion.
First of when people ask me how many moves are in lhbf, I always say, there is
only one. This is my explanation on what was written below about my 99%
completion of each movement before moving to the next.
My view is that when practising lhbf we project chi and by not completing the
movement and smoothing it to the next, we retract chi. Doing the form this way
is a continuous projecting and retracting of chi.
Hence my student's request to send him energy for his pace replacement -- I have
discovered doing the form this way enables me to heal, including distance
healing.
In the description of my stance while practising, please read toes instead of
heel.
Any comments?
Peter O
Master Peter,
I don't know if this will reach you in time; tried your cellphone, but Ed
said best to e-mail you. Am undergoing pacemaker replacement operation on June
17, Wednesday at 2PM, Makati Med. Kindly send me energy. Asked
cardiologist/surgeon to suggest while I'm sedated that I shall regain my health
when I was 18 years old after operation. He suggested I also tell
anesthesiologist.
Practicing LHBF almost everyday upon waking up and right after 15 minute
Mantra chant and 5 minute stretch. Ed pointed out that in your video, your knee
seldom aligns to the middle of your foot;rather it aligns straight to the heel.
Any particular reason for that;Ed says it is more stable. He also pointed out
that you seldom complete a move 100%. Rather when it's almost 99% complete,you
are alreadyshifting to the next move. I watched again closely and saw that too.
Is this what you mean by constatnly flowing?
Where do you like to practice your forms? In the warmer months I just love to
practice outside; especially near water. I have a favorite spot in Groton CT on
Long Islland Sound where I love to spend the afternooon doing my forms.
One of my favorite moves from the long form is the combination of the Hibernating Dragon and the Black Dragon Sweeps His Tail. I often use them as another animal form.
--- On Wed, 5/20/09, mark.mcgee4 <mmcgee@...> wrote:
From: mark.mcgee4 <mmcgee@...> Subject: [hwayutaichi] Favorite Movements in the Hwa Yu Long Form To: hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 7:55 PM
All of the movements in the Long Form of Hwa Yu T'ai Chi are wonderful. Which are your favorites and why? Look forward to hearing from everyone! Hope you have a wonderful week.
All of the movements in the Long Form of Hwa Yu T'ai Chi are wonderful. Which
are your favorites and why? Look forward to hearing from everyone! Hope you have
a wonderful week.
Mark
Wonderful job of explaining traditional training practices, Mark. Lots of good advice there. I feel compelled to note however, that Mr. Li himself did not teach that way. He would start most students on form practice within a week or two of joining his class. If Mr. Li sensed a strong martial background he would start immediately teaching you the form and fill in rowing, walking, and standing practices later. If your hips were completely frozen, then you might not start the form for a month. To my knowledge, Mr. Li never publicly taught the animals. We didn't become aware of them until years later when other 6/8 instructors began publishing books and videos.
Why did Mr. Li depart from traditional practice? This is obviously not an exact quote, but he once told me "I do not wish to waste my student's time, therefore I teach shortcuts to internal practice". Of course Mr. Li's idea of a shortcut was to do an hour (minimum) of daily standing. Some shortcut,Huh? I also remember Mr. Li telling a group of us "Even if you forget the form, if you stand for one hour a day, then you need never fear the enemy".
Was Mr. Li's streamlining of traditional practices an unqualified success? Oh, probably not. He was quite disappointed that many of his students merely learned the form as meditative dance without doing any serious internal work. Most of his students wouldn't do the standing, didn't learn his martial applications, and weren't interested in either his pushing or sticking hands. On the other hand, many students who wouldn't have been comfortable in a more martial environment did at least learn his form. Given the frantic pace of our society, perhaps learning a moving meditation was sufficient for them.
Enjoy your practice everyone-whatever it is.
In a message dated 4/29/2009 4:24:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mmcgee@... writes:
Standing, Rowing and Walking are the root (foundation) of Hwa Yu T'ai Chi. We learn the Eight Methods during this period of training. (Five Word Song: If one wishes to learn this internal exercise, then one must first learn the eight methods.) We also experience the development of the Six Combinations (Harmonies) during this time. I highly recommend an extended period of time (at least 6-12 months) training in Standing, Rowing and Walking to prepare for the Animals and Long Form.
The Animals reveal great insights into Hwa Yu for both health and self-defense. Each Animal form is short enough to learn in a few lessons. It is during the lessons that follow that the movements reveal the individual Methods and Harmonies of each Animal. You might want to spend 3-4 weeks on each Animal form before going to the next Animal. If you are learning the self-defense aspects of the Animals, you will want to spend more time on each Animal.
Ideally, it would be best to have three years of experience in Standing, Rowing, Walking and the Animals before starting the Long Form. Master Li wrote in the Five Word Song: "Practice 'walking' and 'rowing' daily for two or three years. The more you practice, the more graceful you are in your exercise ... In ancient days in China, students of Hwa Yu took three years to train in rooting, before they began to learn the Form." Individual students of Hwa Yu develop understanding and abilities at an individual pace. The key is to relax and enjoy the movement. If you have a teacher, he or she will be able to guide you through your training. If you don't have a teacher and are using Hwa Yu videos to learn, there are many instructors in this forum who will be able to share their thoughts about training with you.
Thanks and have a wonderful week!
Mark
On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:19 PM, dasisdad wrote:
How long should you practice each animal form before learning a new form? Also, when is a good time to start learning the long form?
A lot of instructors use the phrase "as though speaking in your very deepest voice" to quickly get the concept across. You might still need to adjust individual postures but it seems to be a good place to start from.
In a message dated 5/5/2009 11:38:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hwayu121@... writes:
This week my class and I have begun working on the principal of rise from the Eight Methods. Rise as you know, refers to raising up the head , which in turn raises the spirit which enables the chi to flow. Mr. Li used to tell us to work on the back of the neck for this. he practiced pullling his head back with the muscles in the back of his neck until those muxcles were extgremely developed. Before this we were working on Bone for quite a while. Bone is learning to allign the bones and joints properly so that they support each other naturally, enabling one to move with minimal muscle effort. Mr. Li would often remind us that all things in Hwa Yu must be natural.
This week my class and I have begun working on the principal of rise from the Eight Methods. Rise as you know, refers to raising up the head , which in turn raises the spirit which enables the chi to flow. Mr. Li used to tell us to work on the back of the neck for this. he practiced pullling his head back with the muscles in the back of his neck until those muxcles were extgremely developed. Before this we were working on Bone for quite a while. Bone is learning to allign the bones and joints properly so that they support each other naturally, enabling one to move with minimal muscle effort. Mr. Li would often remind us that all things in Hwa Yu must be natural.
This week my class and I have begun working on the principal of rise from the
Eight Methods. Rise as you know, refers to raising up the head , which in turn
raises the spirit which enables the chi to flow. Mr. Li used to tell us to work
on the back of the neck for this. he practiced pullling his head back with the
muscles in the back of his neck until those muxcles were extgremely developed.
Before this we were working on Bone for quite a while. Bone is learning to
allign the bones and joints properly so that they support each other naturally,
enabling one to move with minimal muscle effort. Mr. Li would often remind us
that all things in Hwa Yu must be natural.
Standing, Rowing and Walking are the root (foundation) of Hwa Yu T'ai Chi. We learn the Eight Methods during this period of training. (Five Word Song: If one wishes to learn this internal exercise, then one must first learn the eight methods.) We also experience the development of the Six Combinations (Harmonies) during this time. I highly recommend an extended period of time (at least 6-12 months) training in Standing, Rowing and Walking to prepare for the Animals and Long Form.
The Animals reveal great insights into Hwa Yu for both health and self-defense. Each Animal form is short enough to learn in a few lessons. It is during the lessons that follow that the movements reveal the individual Methods and Harmonies of each Animal. You might want to spend 3-4 weeks on each Animal form before going to the next Animal. If you are learning the self-defense aspects of the Animals, you will want to spend more time on each Animal.
Ideally, it would be best to have three years of experience in Standing, Rowing, Walking and the Animals before starting the Long Form. Master Li wrote in the Five Word Song: "Practice 'walking' and 'rowing' daily for two or three years. The more you practice, the more graceful you are in your exercise ... In ancient days in China, students of Hwa Yu took three years to train in rooting, before they began to learn the Form." Individual students of Hwa Yu develop understanding and abilities at an individual pace. The key is to relax and enjoy the movement. If you have a teacher, he or she will be able to guide you through your training. If you don't have a teacher and are using Hwa Yu videos to learn, there are many instructors in this forum who will be able to share their thoughts about training with you.
Thanks and have a wonderful week!
Mark
On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:19 PM, dasisdad wrote:
How long should you practice each animal form before learning a new form? Also, when is a good time to start learning the long form?
That's wonderful! I can't wait to read more about your celebration and see the pictures.
Thanks and have a super week!
Mark
On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:54 PM, Glenn Newth wrote:
The world Tai Chi day cellibration in Connecticut was an overwhelming success. The weather was spectacular and everyone had a great day. Hwa Yu players came from Vermont, Boston and Eastern Mass, as well as from all over Connecticut. We will be posting some photos in the near future. For the first time students and teachers alike from all the different groups did the whole form together.
The world Tai Chi day cellibration in Connecticut was an overwhelming success.
The weather was spectacular and everyone had a great day. Hwa Yu players came
from Vermont, Boston and Eastern Mass, as well as from all over Connecticut. We
will be posting some photos in the near future. For the first time students and
teachers alike from all the different groups did the whole form together.
Greetings! I look forward to seeing some new topics about T'ai Chi Ch'uan in the
coming days. Thank you for what you've shared in the past! There is so much we
can learn from each other.
Have a wonderful week!
Mark
The most important move in the LHBF form is the opening move, raising
your arms slowly and lowering them. This is the start of learning chi
breathing and once achieved will open up your middle chi channel so
that chi can flow freely to and from the dan tien.
Master Li's bellow breathing is his analogy of chi breathing -- the
dan tien slowly takes in air from the nose, instead of using the lungs
which are restricted from full expansion and/or intake by the lungs.
By using the dan tien, air/oxygen fully fills up the lungs
unrestricted.
--- In hwayutaichi@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Newth" <hwayu121@...> wrote:
>
> Many of the concepts from the Five Word Song and other Hwa Yu
> writings require quite a bit of contemplation before we truly grasp
> their meaning. (On that note)Mr. Li used to always say breathe like
a
> bellows; from the bottom of the abdomen to the heart. What does
this
> statement mean to you.
>
Many of the concepts from the Five Word Song and other Hwa Yu
writings require quite a bit of contemplation before we truly grasp
their meaning. (On that note)Mr. Li used to always say breathe like a
bellows; from the bottom of the abdomen to the heart. What does this
statement mean to you.