Mike Dillon said Hank Greenberg. He did have one season, 1937, but
only one (305 RB and 397 TB). Gehringer had two. Greenberg did have 3
other seasons with 297, 290 and 289 in RB, all with 300+ TB.

Cy

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From: cyrilmorong@...

To: hornsby@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:01 AM

Subject: [hornsby] "300" hitters

 

Mike Dillon gave Ichirio as the answer to my question of the other
player who had 3 seasons with both 300+ TBs & 300+ times reaching
base. Ichiro had 1 season that fits, 2004 (320 TB and 315 RB). In
2001, his only other year with 300+ TBs, he had 280 RB.

Cy

Monte Cely said Vern Stephens. But he never had a 300+ RB season.

Cy

The miserable record of the closers in the post-season calls into
question the whole concept of the copycat use of one by managers  even
if they don't have a dependable one.
Norman

Mike Dillon gave Ichirio as the answer to my question of the other
player who had 3 seasons with both 300+ TBs & 300+ times reaching
base. Ichiro had 1 season that fits, 2004 (320 TB and 315 RB). In
2001, his only other year with 300+ TBs, he had 280 RB.

Cy

----- Original Message -----

From: cyrilmorong@...

To: hornsby@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:17 PM

Subject: [hornsby] "300" hitters

 

The list below shows the all-time leaders in seasons with 300+ TBs and
300+ RB (times reaching base, H + BB + HBP). I removed one player from
the list, who is tied for 10th with 3. Who is he?

T1 Lou Gehrig 9
T1 Babe Ruth 9
3 Barry Bonds 7
T4 Ted Williams 6
T4 Stan Musial 6
T6 Jimmie Foxx 4
T6 Todd Helton 4
T6 Jeff Bagwell 4
T6 Rogers Hornsby 4
T10 Frank Thomas 3
T10 Albert Pujols 3
T10 Tris Speaker 3

Also, the first year it was done was 1894 by Hugh Duffy (374-304) and
Joe Kelley (305-311). I can't tell from those numbers who got to 300+
in both first. Any ideas? (Neither one is the answer to my first
question above about the guy I removed from the list).

Cy Morong

The list below shows the all-time leaders in seasons with 300+ TBs and
300+ RB (times reaching base, H + BB + HBP). I removed one player from
the list, who is tied for 10th with 3. Who is he?

T1   Lou Gehrig                9
T1   Babe Ruth                 9
3    Barry Bonds               7
T4   Ted Williams              6
T4   Stan Musial               6
T6   Jimmie Foxx               4
T6   Todd Helton               4
T6   Jeff Bagwell              4
T6   Rogers Hornsby            4
T10  Frank Thomas              3
T10  Albert Pujols             3
T10  Tris Speaker              3

Also, the first year it was done was 1894 by Hugh Duffy (374-304) and
Joe Kelley (305-311). I can't tell from those numbers who got to 300+
in both first. Any ideas? (Neither one is the answer to my first
question above about the guy I removed from the list).

Cy Morong

Monte Cely asked:

"Cy - is 15 of 71 out-of-line with the number of southpaw pitchers
that are/have been in the majors?

That's 21%, which would equate to 2.5 lefties per 12-man pitching
staff; or one lefty starter per 5 man rotation.  Isn't that about
"right"?"

A quick, but not complete answer, is that only 23 of the top 100
pitchers all-time in RSAA/IP with 2000+ IP were lefties.

RSAA is from the Lee Sinins Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It is
"RSAA--Runs saved against average. It's the amount of runs that a
pitcher saved vs. what an average pitcher would have allowed,"
including park adjustments."

So 77/23 = 3.35. Also, it is 23% of the total, close to 21%. I guess I
hear that 15% of the population is left handed. Last year in MLB, 28%
of the ABs were against lefties. That may not be typical of all of MLB
history. And I have been thinking about calculating how the % of
lefties has changed over time, if it has not been done already.

Cy

By my count their are 71 pitchers in the Hall but only 15 are lefties.
Should lefties be held to a different, lower standard since they have
to face more right handed batters than righthanded pitchers have to
face left handed batters? Does this mean anyone who is in the top 20
of lefties should warrant serious consideration?

Cy Morong

Read this at your own risk

http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/game-boy-makes-the-toy-hall-of-fam\
e/1371311

After the Gold Glove voting was announced, this almost sent me over the edge

Cy Morong

Bill:
I'll put a ballot together for our next meeting.
tom

________________________________

From: hornsby@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Bill Gilbert
Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 2:48 PM
To: Rogers Hornsby Chapter
Subject: Fw: [hornsby] Veterans Committee votes Dec. 7




Does anyone want to volunteer to conduct a mock election for the Hornsby
Chapter?

Bill Gilbert
billcgilbert@... <mailto:billcgilbert@...>



----- Forwarded Message ----
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Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 2:33:22 PM
Subject: [hornsby] Veterans Committee votes Dec. 7



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Nov. 10, 2009






Twenty Managers, Umpires and Executives
to be Considered for Hall of Fame

Class of 2010 by Veterans Committees

-- Election Results to be Announced on Dec. 7 at Winter Meetings- -

(COOPERSTOWN, NY) - Twenty former major league managers, umpires and executives
will be considered for election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame for
induction in 2010 by two Veterans Committees, with results of a Dec. 6 vote to
be announced Dec. 7 at baseball's Winter Meetings, it was announced today.

Two ballots, each consisting of 10 candidates, will be considered by two
separate voting committees. Eight managers and two umpires encompass the
managers/umpires ballot and will be considered by the 16-member Veterans
Committee for Managers and Umpires, comprised of Hall of Fame members, current
and former executives and veteran media members. Ten executives/pioneers
comprise a separate ballot to be considered by the 12-member Veterans Committee
for Executives and Pioneers, which consists of Hall of Famers, current and
former executives and veteran media members.

Any candidate receiving votes on 75 percent of all ballots cast will earn
election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame and will be inducted as part of
the 2010 Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony, to be held July 25, 2010 in
Cooperstown. Electors will be asked to vote for zero to four candidates on each
ballot.

The 10 managers and umpires eligible for election consideration to the National
Baseball Hall of Fame in 2010: managers Charlie Grimm, Whitey Herzog, Davey
Johnson, Tom Kelly, Billy Martin, Gene Mauch, Danny Murtaugh and Steve O'Neill;
umpires Doug Harvey and Hank O'Day.

The 10 executives eligible for election consideration to the National Baseball
Hall of Fame in 2010: Gene Autry, Sam Breadon, John Fetzer, Bob Howsam, Ewing
Kauffman, John McHale, Marvin Miller, Gabe Paul, Jacob Ruppert and Bill White.

The 16-member electorate charged with reviewing the Managers/Umpires ballot will
include Hall of Famers Jim Bunning, Bob Gibson, Fergie Jenkins, Al Kaline, Tom
Lasorda, Phil Niekro, Tony Perez, Billy Williams and Dick Williams; former
executive Jim Frey; current executives Roland Hemond (Diamondbacks) and Bob
Watson (Major League Baseball); and veteran media members Tim Kurkjian (ESPN),
Jack O'Connell and Tom Verducci (Sports Illustrated), with one elector yet to be
announced.

The 12-member electorate that with review the Executives/Pioneers ballot
features Hall of Famers Robin Roberts and Tom Seaver; former executive John
Harrington (Red Sox); current executives Jerry Bell (Twins), Bill DeWitt
(Cardinals), Bill Giles (Phillies), David Glass (Royals), Andy MacPhail
(Orioles) and John Schuerholz (Braves); and veteran media members Rick Hummel
(St. Louis Post-Dispatch), Hal McCoy (Dayton Daily News) and Phil Pepe (New York
Daily News).

The two Veterans Committees will meet on Sunday, Dec. 6 during baseball's Winter
Meetings in Indianapolis to discuss the candidates and cast their ballots.
Results will be announced on Monday, Dec. 7.

The final managers/umpires ballot was developed by a Baseball Writers'
Association of America (BBWAA) appointed Historical Overview Committee,
comprised of 11 veteran members: Dave Van Dyck (Chicago Tribune); Bob Elliott
(Toronto Sun); Rick Hummel (St. Louis Post-Dispatch); Steve Hirdt (Elias Sports
Bureau); Moss Klein (formerly Newark Star-Ledger); Bill Madden (New York Daily
News); Ken Nigro, (formerly Baltimore Sun); Jack O'Connell (BBWAA
secretary/treasurer ); Nick Peters (Sacramento Bee); Tracy Ringolsby (FSN Rocky
Mountain); and Mark Whicker (Orange County Register).

The final executives and pioneers ballot was screened by the Veterans Committee
for Executives and Pioneers.

The 10 finalists for the managers/umpires ballot:

Charlie Grimm managed the Cubs and Braves for 19 seasons, taking the Cubs to
three World Series. Grimm posted a career record of 1,287-1,067 (.547), which
ranks as the 24th-best winning percentage of all-time among managers with at
least 1,000 games. Two of his NL pennants came as a player/manager, in which
capacity he served from 1932-36. In 10 of his 12 full seasons as a manager,
Grimm's teams had winning records. As a player in 20 seasons, Grimm had 2,299
hits and a .290 batting average.
Doug Harvey spent 31 seasons as a National League umpire, working six All-Star
Games, five World Series and seven Championship Series. Umpired 4,670 big league
games. Pioneered the process of waiting a full second before making a call
behind the plate, something he did to allow himself to replay the pitch in his
mind.
Whitey Herzog was a manager with the Rangers, Angels, Royals and Cardinals from
1973-90. He was 1,279-1,143 for a .532 winning percentage, winning six division
titles, three National League pennants and one World Series in 1982 with the
Cardinals. Named 1985 NL Manager of the Year by the Baseball Writers'
Association of America and named 1980s Manager of the Decade by Sports
Illustrated.
Davey Johnson managed the Mets, Reds, Orioles and Dodgers from 1984-90, 1993-97
and 1999-2000. Compiled a 1,148-888 (.564) record. Over 12 full seasons, his
teams finished first five times and second six times. Teams qualified for
postseason six times, winning one NL pennant and one World Series with 1986
Mets. Won 1997 AL Manager of the Year Award with Orioles, and his .564 winning
percentage ranks 13th among managers with at least 1,000 games.
Tom Kelly served as the manager of the Minnesota Twins for 16 seasons from
1986-2001, posting a career record of 1,140-1,244 (.478). Won two World Series
in five years (1987, 1991) with the Twins and has the longest tenure of any
manager in Twins history. In first six full seasons, averaged almost 86
victories per year. Posted a record of 16-8 (.667) in the postseason and was
named the 1991 American League Manager of the Year.
Billy Martin spent 16 seasons 1969, 1971-83, 1985, 1988) managing Twins, Tigers,
Rangers, Yankees (five different stints) and A's, compiling a 1,253-1015 record
(.552). Teams finished in first place five times, winning two American League
pennants and one World Series with 1977 Yankees.
Gene Mauch managed Phillies, Expos, Twins and Angels for 26 seasons (1960-82,
1985-87). Teams posted record of 1,902-2,037 (.483), good for the 12-best win
total of all-time and the most wins of any non-active manager not currently in
the Hall of Fame. His teams won two division titles, finished second twice and
third twice.
Danny Murtaugh managed the Pittsburgh Pirates in four separate stints (1957-64,
1967, 1970-71, 1973-76) over 15 seasons. His teams won 1,115 games against 950
losses (.540) and finished first five times, including four National League East
Division titles, NL two pennants and World Series wins in 1960 and 1971. Named
National League Manager of the Year in 1958, 1960 and 1970.
             Hank O'Day spent 34 seasons (1888-89, 1893, 1895-1911, 1913,
1915-27) as a National League umpire, called the action in 10 World Series,
second-most all time, and umpired in the first World Series in 1903. O'Day
gained fame after calling out Fred Merkle of the Giants in their famous game
against the Chicago Cubs on Sept. 23, 1908, when Merkle failed to touch second
base following an apparent walk-off hit.
             Steve O'Neill managed the Indians, Tigers, Red Sox and Phillies for
14 seasons (1935-37, 1943-48, 1950-54) and never had a losing record. His teams
posted a mark of 1,040-821 (.559), good for the 15th-best winning percentage in
history among managers with at least 1,000 games. He led the Tigers to the
American League pennant and a World Series championship in 1945.


The 10 finalists for the executives/pioneers ballot:
             Gene Autry owned the Angels from their birth in 1961 until his death
in 1998. Autry, a television and movie star known for his rendition of Christmas
classic "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer," led his teams to American League West
titles in 1979, 1982 and 1986.
             Sam Breadon owned the Cardinals from 1917 to 1947, leading St. Louis
to nine pennants and six World Series titles during his tenure. Breadon helped
develop the modern farm system by stocking the Cardinals' own minor league clubs
with prospects.
             Bob Howsam served as the general manager of the Cardinals in the
mid-1960s, helping build a team into a two-time National League pennant winner -
and 1967 World Series champion. Howsam then moved on to become the general
manager of the Reds, laying the foundation for the Big Red Machine that won four
NL pennants and two World Series from 1970-76.
             Ewing Kauffman owned the Kansas City Royals from their birth in 1969
until his death in 1993. Kauffman established the innovative Kansas City Royals
Baseball Academy and led the Royals to a first- or second-place finish in the
American League West every season from 1975-85, including the AL pennant in 1980
and a World Series title in 1985.
             John Fetzer owned the Detroit Tigers from 1956-83, building one of
the 1960s most consistent teams - one that won the World Series in 1968. Fetzer,
a broadcasting pioneer, helped negotiate baseball's initial national television
contract in 1967.
             John McHale served as the general manager for the Tigers, Braves and
Expos from the 1950s through the 1980s. McHale joined the Expos at their
inception in 1969 and built the club into one of baseball's most consistent
teams of the late 1970s and early 1980s.
             Marvin Miller was elected as the head of the Major League Baseball
Players Association in 1966 and quickly turned the union into a powerhouse.
Within a decade, Miller had secured free agency for the players. By the time he
retired in 1982, the average player salary was approximately 10 times what it
was when he took over.
             Gabe Paul served as the general manager of the Cincinnati Reds, the
Houston Colt 45s, the Cleveland Indians and the New York Yankees from the 1950s
to the 1980s. Paul helped rebuild the Yankees in the 1970s, crafting a team that
won three straight American League pennants and two World Series from 1976-78.
             Jacob Ruppert owned the New York Yankees from 1915 until his death
in 1939, turning a second-division club into a dynasty. Ruppert presided over
the acquisition of Babe Ruth, the opening of the original Yankee Stadium, 10
American League pennants and seven World Series titles.
             Bill White served as the president of the National League from
1989-94 following a successful career as a player and broadcaster. White
presided over the addition of the Marlins and the Rockies to the NL and helped
consolidate both the American and National leagues under one administrative
umbrella.


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I think the strike cost McGriff at least 7 HRs so he would have made
500 without it. If he had, that might bump up his chances quite a bit.

Cy Morong